How are Trans Athletes at anymore advantage than rich athletes, or tall ones? (Page 2)
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There are definitely biological differences between the sexes hormone therapy isn't going to eliminate those differences.
Personally I don't think it really matters unless we are talking about top tier athletes, where the margins for victory are slim.
Because they have the body structure of a man. Because they are men, men are physically faster and stronger then women. We are biologically superior than women in sports you allow men who think there women compete against women you’ll eventually no longer have women’s sports it will just be men’s sports women will not be allowed to compete because they are physically not capable of competition against a man
This makes no sense at all.
You are moving the goal post.
Men compete against men... women compete against women.
Women are at at HUUUUUUGE unfair disadvantage if men are allowed to compete against women.
Don't you like women? Why would you support some guy coming in and kicking their ass in every sport because he goes trans at age 16?
Sounds like you don't like women since you don't want them treated fairly.
Because it essentially renders women athletes obsolote since women are objectively speaking inferior when it comes to their physique. Essentially there will be no biologically female athletes anymore, since they simply are unable to compete with men. Which is the entire point of seperating male and female sports.
Funnily enough most sports allow females to compete with the males - just not the different way around.
there's natural variance within the gender. that's normal. sport is inherently not fair due to the genetic lottery. but being a man is basically equivalent to a massively doped woman. if you'd have olympic games with no gender separation, no woman would get a medal. that's how big those differences are.
not even would no woman get a medal, i think no woman would even qualify to begin with.
Now you’re rationalizing. Seriously... Rich kids? Money doesn’t buy talent. It’s all about who you are as a person. You want to talk about tall too. Just about all the transgender athletes are taller than women. You ever see that guy that plays college basketball? He’s like 6’9”. You see that volleyball player? The women come up to his chest.
Actually money does buy better athletes.
Ok, if you want to say that access to testosterone, steroids, performance enhancing drugs, sure. But that’s stuff is pretty common nowadays, anybody can get their hands on it with the right connection.
As far as pure talent goes. Genes you were born with, no amount of drugs or anything can defeat that. Just like how men are born too. Bigger bones, more strength. Lowering your testosterone the only thing it does is make you sluggish. The raw power is still there.
You can’t keep rationalizing everything to fit your narrative. It never ends well.
If trans people want to compete, start a trans league.
Then why have gender-based sports at all? Just have one basketball team per college, and make the girls try out for the same team the men are on.
Your comparison is irrelevant - the point of having separate events for men and women is that there are inherent differences between the genders. If you allow biological males to compete on female teams because they feel like women then why not allow any male to do so?
Do you think the best female athletes can beat the worst male athletes?
@OddBeMe Nope - People on here have already given you opinions - I've already given you my opinion on little bro's team beating the USWNT - Those world Champs - I'll give you one better - Serena Williams - supposedly the goat of tennis - and her sister venus Williams - lost to a RETIRED 205th ranked dude who had belly fat - both of them lost on the same day each in 2 sets..
Your logic is flawed.
Just because bribes are wrong doesn't make men competing in womens' sporting events right. They are both wrong because contestants are given unfair advantages.
So it is right for people who care about fairness to oppose both. And most do.
By the way. There are people serving prison time right now for bribing schools to give their kids advantages.
So by your reasoning wouldn't it be "equity" to give transgenders prison time for their unfair behavior?
Wouldn't bribing your kid onto the varsity team be a situation where the kid ends up being the shittest person on the team? That doesn't give them a physical advantage...
And of course there are natural athletes.
But that's kinda just it right? Sports should go to the best NATURAL athletes. Not the ones who are abusing chemicals to their advantage.
Some of the best athletes were dirt poor. So I don t think that's true. Regardless of how much money you have, it's about how much training you do and what natural ability you have. Not everyone can be a pro athlete. Give me a billion dollars and I still can't do it. Money is no advantage or a negligible one. Biology makes a huge difference. Which is why they don't allow steroid use either.
I agree with the “rich family” aspect. But trans in women’s/girls sports are different. They had the benefit of going through puberty bathed in testosterone. Their bones are more dense, more muscle, bigger lungs and heart. And these are residual. I mean, just look at ANY trans competing in women’s sports. They are dominating and destroying the girls.
To compare a height advantage to many advantages that trans athletes is just crazy.
https://www.youtube.com/embed/DvUM8q21EGsThis rapper broke a female deadlift record. So another issue is that you are shitting on every record those real women worked hard to break.
Trans women have a huge advantage by default for being male. How is this difficult for you to understand? Do you think men and women should compete together?
Assuming that you're talking about men in women's sports, it's just that... men in women's sports and it's a huge advantage. There are plenty of athletes from poor and/ or middle class beginnings that make good in their own gender's sports... that happens all the time
So individual athletes are vastly different. How is that different that latent testosterone in trans women?
Why not just end women's sports altogether? Just have one division for everyone--man, woman or trans.
You know what would happen?
ZERO women winning anything.
ZERO trans people winning anything.
All awards going to cis men.
Will that make you happy?
If I'm outrun by a woman - then my own training was not good enough.
Doing sports is also about the mental ability to accept that someone just was 'better' than you.
Are you for real rich families don’t have a physical advantage in terms of strength speed etc that trans athletes do hence men and women compete separately finance is a completely different discussion treacle
People are stupid, now trans kids can’t even participate in sports just because of their genitalia.
Not to mention the genital checks for sports their doing now, nobody should be looking at a child’s nether region other than that child’s doctor and that child’s mom?
Dude. They literally outperform true women all the time.
Trannies ruin female sports. It's terrible
Are you serious? That doesn’t mean you can be a dick and place not let them play sports
They can have their own branch. I'm against letting them compete against women
Would you want to box, wrestle, or kickbox against a trans woman?
🤣🤣🤣
@jerdanro i don’t box but if I did yes, a trans women is a women. Literally it doesn’t matter
It matters so much
It really doesn’t
Ugh. Shush
You have no argument to hold up for why trans people shouldn’t be allowed in sports
THEY ARE MEN WEARING WIGS
Man, this world has gone full psycho
You'd get killed. It's all ready happening in MMA. Hormones and surgery don't magically transform a biological male into a biological female.
That means they shouldn't be competing with biological women because it's an unfair advantage. Unless you want biological women to never win again
if you’re going to sit here and be transphobic and say trans women are me. Please explain to me the concept of gender first
We aren't scared of trannies. We want them to get real help, and stop being creepy
If you want to oppress women athletes by having men with wigs destroy them. Then be my guest 🙄
I’m not going to waste my time explaining your misinterpretation of the word transphobic.
But since you didn’t answer my question, I’ll answer my question for you..
The simple scenario they teach in school many of us learn that two X chromosomes make someone female, and an X and a Y chromosome make someone male. These are simplistic ways of thinking about what is scientifically very complex. Anatomy, hormones, cells, and chromosomes (not to mention personal identity convictions) are actually not usually aligned with one binary classification.
scientists now understand that everyone's body is made up of a patchwork of genetically distinct cells, some of which may have a different sex than the rest. This "mosaicism" can have effects ranging from undetectable to extraordinary, such as "identical" twins of different sexes. An extremely common instance of mosaicism comes from cells passing over the placental barrier during pregnancy. Men often carry female cells from their mothers, and women carry male cells from their sons. Research has shown that these cells remain present for decades
As our understanding of biology continues to advance, our social, legal, and medical systems will have to evolve as well. Weather you like it or not, that’s how human life progresses. Not by staying in the past like y’all seemingly want to do, rather than keeping an open mind and being a decent human, having empathy for fellow human beings?
Source: www.nature.com/.../spectrum
This is purely an issue of gender dysphoria. Most trannies stop thinking they're the opposite sex once they've gone through puberty.
That isn’t true, not sure where you got that false info from but the studies that have been done suggest the rate of detransition is very low - one put the proportion of trans people who return to the gender they were assigned at birth at less than 0.5%.
It's also shown that if you put the kids on anti depressants, most of them will stop thinking like that.
Where are you even getting your facts? At this point you’re literally speaking from your ass. Research has shown that trans people get significantly better when transitioning
For many transgender people, quality of “life improves after they transition. Gender reassignment is often essential for their well-being, with better psychosocial functioning, more stable relationships, and higher levels of contentment and happiness being reported by men and women who have transitioned.”
https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/321258
They don't. That's why such an extreme percentage of them commit suicide...
The reason why so many trans people are committing suicide is because of assholes such as yourself that think their entire existence is an illness in and of itself. Trans people are subjected to hate crimes and the majority of trans people commit suicide because of being ostracized by their family, colleagues, basically anyone that’s thinking like you.
among transgender individuals primarily arises in response to the discrimination, stigma, lack of acceptance, and abuse they face on an unfortunately regular basis.
Psychologists have been documenting the effect that stigma, rejection, discrimination, and abuse have on mental and physical health for decades
If you actually cared about transgender people committing suicide so much you’d try to fix the problem and be an ally. But as I’m assuming, you literally lack empathy and most likely don’t even care that you’re contributing negatively to a persons life.
Source: www.google.com/.../why-transgender-people-experience-more-mental-health%3famp
It is a damn illness. Good lord
Gender dysphoria — a state of emotional distress caused by how someone’s body or the gender they were assigned at birth conflicts with their gender identity — is a widely recognized medical condition. If untreated, it can lead to severe mental health issues, including debilitating depression, anxiety, and suicidal ideation.
Gender dysphoria isn’t a mental illness, it can lead to serious mental illness if not treated and as I’m assuming you’re probably not in favor of transitioning which is literally proven to be the best thing to help with transgender peoples dysphoria.
And not all trans people deal with severe dysphoria. It’s barely or not present for some trans people, while it’s mentally excruciating for others.
These facts show that psychological distress and disability aren’t inherent to being trans, so being trans doesn’t meet the definition of a mental disorder (a psychological state that causes significant distress and disability).
the AMA, APA, and other medical experts agree that letting someone transition, which can entail medical treatments like hormone therapy and gender-affirming surgeries, without social stigma is the main treatment for gender dysphoria. In this way, being trans isn’t the medical condition; living as trans is in fact the treatment to the medical condition.
Do your research at least, cause your arguments aren’t holding up
It's not about anyone being against trans people or something, it simply is about the male biology of many trans athletes.
It might be fatal to other female athletes they might be competing due to the biological advantages and thats not my opinion that's literally what this fuzz is all about everywhere.
Its not transphobia, no one said trans people shouldn't be allowed in sports its just why put them with women when they have biological advantage on them just like men.
@7771999 Don't try to argue with her - She's too woke aka stupid for this - Imagine literally giving arguments for the fact that being born a woman doesn't mean you're a woman - Imagine not knowing that if a dude went through puberty then decided to transition he's a man with a wig and man boobs - She doesn't even realize we're saying it for the women's sake.. People have gone crazy
You would be destroyed
Y’all really think you’re above science 😂 lmao
The ignorance is so present. Most trans people are on estrogen/testosterone and have male/female brains. I’ve given countless research done by literally scientist and y’all just want to keep being transphobic and bigoted.
Just goes to show ignorance is bliss
@doopayo a lot of the biology you are citing either hasn't been studied completely or is just plain wrong. Don't confuse gender identity with biological sex. Chomosomal mosaicism is an anomoly that may lead to being transgender or may not. I haven't seen statistics of what percentage of trans people have chromosomal mosaicism. My guess is that not all do and there are cases where gender identity is mostly psychological. This shouldn't be seen as a criticism of those who have it, it is just a fact. If a person's morphology is male and transitions, that person still has the increased muscle density inherent to XY. On average, they will be physically faster and stronger than most women, despite their identity.
I’m saying that gender identity and biological sex is intertwined.
In the birth process your assigned male or female based off of only gentialia. However gender is not only determined by genitalia, stuff inside your brain determines gender as well.
The male and female brain have structural differences. Men and women tend to have different volumes in certain areas of the brain
When looking at transgender brains, we see that the brain resembles the gender that said person identifies as.
For example, a person who is born with a penis but ends up identifying as a female often actually has some of the structural characteristics of a “female” brain.
And the brain similarities aren’t only structural.
Functional similarities have been found many times as well.
In studies that use MRIs to take images of the brain as people perform tasks, the brain activity of transgender people tends to look like that of the gender they identify with.
Research in these areas are extremely limited, and more research needs to be done to find conclusive results but certain specific trends have definitely been found.
I agree more research needs to be done and obviously identity and preferences come from the brain, but in terms of sports, a male body with a female brain still has an unfair advantage. In combat sports that could lead to serious injury and will definitely impact a biological woman's standing in her sport.
Genetics. Individuals with large amounts of testosterone are more muscular built and perform better in sports.
@update a rich bad athlete is still a terrible athlete. A bad athlete with a male sex can still dominate female sex athletes... because of genetics.
People that are genetically male are naturally stronger and faster.
If they make transgender a thing, then all of the women will start being genetically male that look female.