Yeah. They gave to got through extensive testing to be able to compete which includes having their hormones levels being lower than the average cost person
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I normally stay out of these conversations but I’m honestly going to be as delicate as I can be with the truth. Transgender women should not be allowed to compete in sports with biological females. I completely understand they feel like they are meant to be born a woman and I do respect them as women but let’s also be honest, their SEX was male at the beginning and you can’t just remove all those physical aspects biological men have that biological women don’t have.
Let me give you a moment to think about this, if Brock lesnar puts on a wig and identified as a woman and went into womens mma, the carnage would be disgusting at how he would mow through women like a knife through butter. If sex didn’t matter they would just compete with the men. Which the average male fighter
would crush every female fighter. I understand wanting to include more but we have to think about this more carefully.
Honestly, I’m coming to that point were if women really really really want this to happen, we can just stand back and let this continue because it doesn’t really effect men sports. When you’re blind in your approach to things even with the best of intentions you could do more damage than you thinkF*ck no!
Trans athletes can compete in their own trans divisions, but they shouldn't be allowed to compete with biological women (or men, for that matter), whatsoever. You don't get to just make up some sh*t and then claim you should be included into where you feel like simply because you have mental health issues and an insecure chip on your shoulder the size of Jupiter. I wish I was 6'5"; I can't just tell women "I identify as tall" and call them Heightists if they don't date me. (And I DO get sh*t on all the time, for being too short for them.)
Trans athlete don't get to piss all over everyone else's dreams just because they're losers who couldn't compete on a level playing field. And they ARE losers too; both mentally and literally. If these men in wigs cared at all about sportsmanship, they'd either form their own trans league (not that anyone would care or watch), or not feel the need to be forced into the women's leagues (or even the men's leagues, if they're transmen). It's absolute bullsh*t we live in a day and age where this kind of Clown World thinking can go on! Letting literal MEN compete against women who they physically and biologically outclass, especially when it comes to sports like boxing and MMA. It's like watching a generation of retards support domestic abuse, but inside a ring. I hate living in Clown World.
And before you even respond to this, @Pillarofhell, just know I'm not interested in hearing you justify delusions and bullsh*t because someone is insecure and entitled. I saw the thread you responded to Karaspara with. I respect your opinion to believe in whatever fictional stuff you want, but you can't make me question or doubt objective reality.Yeah I think they should be able to compete. But I don't think they should always able to compete with their identified gender.
We might make a totally new league just for trans people and such, and then people would probably find that fair.
If not, I think there should be strict rules about competing with females. M2F trans people definitely shouldn't compete with other females for the same reason we don't let regular males compete with females. It's not fair. F2M trans people are a little harder to place. I don't know the extent to which gender reassignment and taking male hormones can actually augment a former female's athletic performance. But if there's a noticeable difference, they should compete with males. Their advantage may be significant compared to females but they might still not be at the level of males. That's why I suggested an entirely new league... Maybe they just have to suck it up. But it's definitely not fair to allow females who take performance enhancing hormones to compete with other females.
I understand that it can be upsetting to be forced to compete with a gender you've formally denounced, but it would be narcissistic and backwards for those people to expect to be accommodated in that way in a competition where they have an unfair advantage over everyone else.
That's like telling the Olympic committee that I'm a recovering steroid addict (if that even exists) and they should have sympathy and accommodate me. That they should allow me to compete because I'm transitioning to becoming a normal and fair competitor, but meanwhile I'm still on steroids and I'm obviously going to wreck the competition. The catch obviously being that I never end up becoming a fair competitor, I just keep using a bad excuse to maintain an unfair advantage.Of course they should be able to compete. No one is saying they shouldn't. This is a straw-man argument.
What is being said, is that MTF athletes have a completely unfair advantage over CIS female athletes, and if you actually give a shit, trans athletes should have their own category since they refuse to compete against their birth gender.
In addition, the acceptance policy for trans has become way too lax as of 2015s rule change. There is talk of tightening that gate again, reducing the required T levels in half, but it hasn't happened yet.
It's the CIS female athletes who complain most about this, because it's their livlihood that is threatened. (Prize money, sponsorships, etc.) But why should anyone listen to the women directly affected? Nah, let's just listen to the tiny minority of people who stand to gain. That's fair. (Sarcasm)
Like many of the demands made by the politically woke, they demand people change then they move on to the next bullshit crisis - never stopping to look if their demands destroyed what they interfered with.
Mary Gregory, Rachel McKinnon, Laurel Hubbard, CeCe Telfer, June Eastwood, Terry Miller, and others. Men who transitioned, smashed records as "female" athletes with ostensibly male physiques.
https://www.wired.com/story/the-glorious-victories-of-trans-athletes-are-shaking-up-sports/Yes, but they must be required to compete in the category of their biological gender. To each their own in what gender they claim to feel like they are and how they want to dress, but when it comes to sports, bathrooms, military, or signing a form in a part where it asks them what is their gender, they are actually asking for their biological gender, so it makes sense to require them to checkmark on the option that matches their biological gender. Unless there was that technology in which changes your biological gender by changing your DNA completely, then sure, okay. That would be awesome, and it could even have us change race, subspecies, species, sun-class, class, or even kingdom, with its entirety. Or maybe a new one of any to explore or even an alien, by adding more paired bases and new ones to the DNA or altering how it looks like. I wonder if there are any aliens from other worlds with something completely different and isn’t anything similar to Earthling DNA but has multiple things to define their own version of DNA, and instead of theirs being linear, it goes like 2D or even 3D. Of courses, our DNA is 3D but I mean the directions the coded thing goes, while ours only goes one dimensionally in terms of direction.
@pillarofhell transgender women are cheating. Plain and simple. And should be entirely illegal not unlike performance enhancing drugs. Unless they underwent hormone replacement very early as in before puberty, they're cheaters.
They have a greater muscle mass again not unlike performance enhancing drugs which is illegal. Too bad, so sad.
The cheaters should create their own gendered sports since they bitch like ass-fucked whores about equality and yet are disgustingly against equality.Absolutely not. Not in the current gender divided competitions at least. That would be a clear advantage for trans women. People who are BIOLOGICALLY male have bigger muscles, are faster, have bigger lungs etc. Even they know that it would be unfair, and anyone who says it wouldn't are either trolling or seriously dumb.
Yes if we start to divide sports competition sections by testosterone level.
People that are born male have a higher testosterone level from birth no matter how much estrogen they take, they will have a higher level of it because the amount of testosterone a human produces in genetically scripted.
Meaning you can as much estrogen and have bigger boobs and better curves as other women but if you are born male originally your body will anyways produce more testosterone and a person that was born a female.
It´s scientifically fact that males no matter how female they describe themselves have a higher testosterone level than females.I don't think it really matters. Like at all. I mean, people generally don't even watch women's sports in the first place. And if some guy wants to join them because he's too insecure or intimidated to compete with other men I don't see the problem. It's never going to be as exciting to watch. So, really, the question is "is it as exciting to play?" And that's entirely up to those who play it. Which doesn't include me so i don't have an opinion. I'll cheer them on but I won't be able to bring myself to watch much more beyond the headlines the following day - but I don't really watch men's sports either, so, again, it really dorsnt matter.
You are what you are, you're not what you think you are or what you tell people you are. Got a penis, you're a man. Got a vagina, you're a woman. When you commit and have surgery, then we can talk, until then you are what it says on birth certificate. What you want to be, what you tell people you are, really doesn't matter. Men and women are built different, that's the way it is. Stop crying bout this and that, I'm really a woman or man or whatever, you really wanna change, go get your dick lopped off, get your pussy sewn shut. Take whatever hormones you need for 2 years then I'd consider it.
I'm getting the idea from your responses that you believe that all life paths should be open to everyone at all times, but that is a foolish, universalist ideal. You simply cannot have everything open to everyone at every time. We tell fat people that they can't ride certain amusement park rides because their weight may endanger the other participates. Very few people are talented enough to be things like movie stars or sports stars. I happen to be a very shit programmer. And biological men tend to do things like fracture the skulls of biological women they fight in in UFC competitions.
So, the only logical solution is is to have trans-only sports.Living their dreams at the expense of other athletes? Absolutely fucking not. They can compete in the category corresponding to the sex they were born as. If they don't like it, they should pick a different career path. I get that they may want things, and it sucks for that to be unavailable. Some people are born with handicaps, others with a mental disorders or other anomalies. If any of that prevents you from competing, bad luck. But you don't get to ruin everyone elses world to pretend everything is fine.
Nope for exactly the same reason with the Para olympics athletes needing to get how they are classified changed.
If you look at international woman’s times for say 200m and then look at guys times for college 200m.
We are going to have similar at some point with para Olympians wanting to compete more in non para olympics, yes we had it with Oscar Pistorius, however technology keeps improving.
It would also allow certain countries free rein to pretty much cheat.
I would like to see the same level of interest in the wrong assessment grades given to para Olympians. this is making some events a mockery, certain countries having their athletes tank assessment events etc.At a low amateur level, sure, but not at a high or professional level - unless they're competing in the category that fits their gender at birth (I have no problem at all with that).
I get that it's unfair, but high level sports is unfair.
It's unfair that I don't get to play elite basketball, because my genes mean I'm not 6'8" tall.
It's unfair that you're not going to be an Olympic 100m champion unless you're descended from slaves. http://www. youtube. com/watch? v=MIvTNXdIaB0
It's unfair that I don't get to compete in Olympic rhythmic gymnastics, because it's a women-only sport.I don’t believe someone who was born a male should be allowed to compete in a female sport just because they are trans it’s not fair same goes for people who were born a female and are now a trans male they should have their own category
I presume you mean should they be allowed to compete with their "new" gender? Not on the professional level in some sports. The LPGA has it right - it's open to those who were "born female". But let's say a natural born female could kick 60 yard field goals and an NFL team signs her. What if the same female decided to transition to a male? What would be the difference?
When it comes to school athletics, this is a different can of worms. I think the trans person has to be on their new hormones for a certain amount of time, especially if its male to female. That way the body will have gone through significant enough changes as to take away any strength or muscular advantage a male might bring to a woman's sport.Sports are separated by sex for a reason. Trans women should not compete in women's Sports, because they are biologically male and have an unfair advantage.
Mtf trans people who transition after puberty are significant stronger faster and tougher than cis women and should not be able to compete in the same leagues. Luckily, there are so few mtf trans athletes in the world that this is not really that big of an issue.
I am not certain about these facts and willing to debate them as long as you don’t ask me to read any long boring articles.I am perfectly favorable if a trans man wants to compete with cis men, but coincidentally that never seems to be the case...
That's a problem I have no answer to: how can a cis woman fairly compete with completely differently abled bodies? A trans woman had hormones in their growing up no cis woman ever had and their muscles and bone structure developed in completely different (and irreversible) ways.
If I take male hormones it would be considered doping. No one came up with a solution that's fair to everyone involved.Absolutely, providing it's within their own biological gender.
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