Yeah. Nothing can undo testosterone, sorry kid.
so you think biological men should be able to whale on women in combat sports?
@t-8900 yes. There's unfair advantages all over sports. Nobody is crying about that.
I actually agree with this.
@Razp_Sorbet That advantage may as well be legalized steroids for that one contender. The gains from a mans body from Testosterone stays a life time. Fallon Fox was sending women to the hospital with cracked skulls on the regular.
@Ryfyle on the regular? From what I can see it happened once where she broke an opponents orbital bone which is a common mma injury. You should fact check anything you read 🙂
@Razp_Sorbet so you're willing to potentially let biological women die at the expense of an ideology? I'm sorry but that's just batshit insane.
honestly lets just make all sports unisex while we're at it then, and remove weight classes. Why not? Lets go all the way... said no rational thinking person ever.
www.attacktheback.com/.../As Fox's opponent, Brents, mentions that Fox was far stronger. But hey, if you want to get pounded by a man in a wig, be my guest.
@t-8900 has anyone died because a trans woman competed? My point is trans people go under extensive testing and have their hormones be lower than that of a cis person. Many cis sportsman and women have unfair genetic advantages. Basketball players are 6-7ft with huge hands, netball players tend to have really long legs, a professional swimmer has a long wing span, others have greater lung capacity, there's so many unfair genetic advantages in sports it seems stupid to focus on this one because reality is you don't actually care about women's sports you just want to voice your transphobia.
glad you asked there was almost a death in MMA 2 months ago. tranny hit the girl so hard she fractured her skull and caused a brain hemorrhage. Transphobia? Lol I got no problems going toe to toe with a tranny in a street brawl anyway. I haven't had a good scrap in years! better learn your words because phobia? I have a phobia to AIDS maybe but to trannies? nah fam lol
@t-8900 so you'll complain when a trans person breaks someones skull but not any cis person? Hipocrisy.
@Razp_Sorbet oh dear god you really are dense. It's not the same thing. But also I treat trannies by their biological truth, not the crazy unicorn/rainbow crap they concocted in their heads. A trans woman fighting a bio man is the way to go. You're not changing that, you can't escape nature. If I see a trans girl hit a biological woman and I'm present I'm not hold back and I'm gonna beat the shit out of that tranny the same way I beat the shit out of any guy that lays hands on a woman. I dont got time for this twinkle toe nonsense with delusional, militant lefties.
listen I'm sure you mean well but the greatest evils in this world come from those with the best of intentions who are filled with ignorance. agree to disagree. I stand by what i said. A guy hits a girl , he's getting his ass beat to a bloody pulp.
@Razp_Sorbet So I take it you have a penis then.
@Ryfyle you think anyone who defends trans rights is transgender themselves?If you think that trans women are just as strong as cis men (even though this has been proven wrong) please do go get some HRT for a year and then fight a man. Go do your own little experiment. I'll be interested to see what happens.
No ones saying trans men are as strong as cis men. They are stronger than cis women, that is the problem. The irony is that its mostly men who are fighting against this, even though they have no stake in the matter. In reality, men shouldn't care at all; but they do care. They care about the rights of women, and they care about equality. Its insane that the left constantly wants to scream sexism, but then when they make a special area so that women can succeed in their own way; they want to put biological men in it. (Even if they identify as women, it can't change their biological sex. Gender and sec aren't the same, as we've all had that drilled in) and when the sexist right wing men say, "hey, i think that's pretty unfair to women" they're being seen as villains. And ofc there's people on all the political sides of the spectrum who are against it, I'm moderate myself. But if you fight against sexism, you're labeled a right wing nazi. Its so backwards. I'm glad that men are still standing up for equality for women.My grandmother told me that when she was in college, there wasn't a place for her to join in on sports. People saw that, and fixed it. And now they're trying to reverse it.
@Razp_Sorbet Penis Confirmed.
@tiajoka of course we care! We have wives/gfs/fiances, mothers, grandmothers, daughters, female friends. We think about them! We worry for their future. No matter what the militant left says men will ALWAYS want to protect women. You can't take that out of our DNA it's an intrinsic part of what being a man is. A man who isn't willing to protect and lay his life down to protect the woman is not a man.
@tiajoka my point in saying what I said is that they are saying that being on HRT doesn't change what testosterone has already done. (Which is untrue) suggesting that trans women are no weaker than cis men. I mean they even said trans women should compete against cis men. I'm glad they're standing up for women but they're doing it for all the wrong reasons which is the problem. There are people who have genuine concern about this situation then there's these lads who seemingly just want to throw around insults for funsies.
@Razp_Sorbet well dont be throwing me in with them. this isn't a joke, this isn't for fun. Dude puts hands on my woman he's gonna be learning how to walk all over again like an infant child. I dont play these gays with you people. i'll never be for normalizing dudes beating on women, stealing their scholarships, or their only spotlight for such avenues to their success and recognition. Call it "transphobia" if you want. I've never backed down from a throw down. I'm not afraid of an emasculated homosexual who became so effeminate he cut his own dick and balls off.
So you believe trans women shouldn't play with women, then? If you are going to sit here and tell everyone that trans women are weaker then men, which so long as they're on hormones; they'll be weaker. (Though not all of them do that) you must also recognize that even on hormones, they are weaker than biological women. And testosterone is permanent. Its why a man who uses hormones can pretty easily reverse the effects if he detransitions. But if a woman is taking testosterone and detransitions, there are permanent effects, even outside of the lines of puberty. Which is crazy! Testostetone is a permanent thing, sorry. And any kid who went through puberty getting it naturally is stronger than most women. It is unfair. You don't choose to have gender dysmorphia, but you do choose to transition. People often forget that. No matter what, you cannot change the biological sex you were born as.
@t-8900 Its more a case of being a failed male than being gay.
You’re a idiot
So thats what you felt the need to respond to huh 🤣 thats telling.
@tiajoka okay if you want to play that. "So you believe trans women shouldn't play with women, then?" I never said that. This is what other people say. "If you are going to sit here and tell everyone that trans women are weaker then men, which so long as they're on hormones; they'll be weaker. (Though not all of them do that) you must also recognize that even on hormones, they are weaker than biological women."Trans women can be stronger than cis men. Just like cis women can be stronger than cis men.Again any trans woman or man competing in sports has to be on hormones for at least a year. Trans women weaker than biological women? Sure possibly weaker than some. Not really helping your point though."And testosterone is permanent. Its why a man who uses hormones can pretty easily reverse the effects if he detransitions. But if a woman is taking testosterone and detransitions, there are permanent effects, even outside of the lines of puberty. "Most of the effects are reversible. The ones that typically aren't are voice deepening, balding, facial hair growth, and clitoral growth. Nothing to do with strength."And any kid who went through puberty getting it naturally is stronger than most women. "Sure a man who does little to no exercise will be stronger than a woman who does the same. But a woman who works out, strength trains will be stronger than a man who does little to no exercise. It's pretty basic logic. "You don't choose to have gender dysmorphia, but you do choose to transition. People often forget that. No matter what, you cannot change the biological sex you were born as."I don't know any trans person who claims to have changed their sex. They're well aware that their sex will never change. But how they present in their gender can change. This statement is rather redundant but there we go.You made absolutely 0 points.
Yeah a female can be stronger than a man if she's several weight classes above him, or the dude is on his death bed or handicapped or something. But in reality? Men would murder women in contact sports. There's a reason they aren't put in the same MMA rings, why the PT standard for guys in military is running while the women walk for the trainig courses. Forget it, like women don't compete with men physically, it's not a thing for people with their heads in reality. There's a reason you ladies by and large would never take up a trade and instead go for the cushy office jobs. Mentally and ohu we are in different wavelengths. Women's power doesn't express itself in the physic realm but the emotional one and this is apart of basic human biology. Stop denying what's in front of you. Even among men we have weight classes for a reason. A 5'5 feather weight is not getting out in the same ring ask a guy like me who is a 6'3 heavyweight. That's not how that works
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by the way, the more issues like this get successfully pushed in the real world, the more likely it is that people like me adopt harder positions on the topic as a whole. With every attack on the definition of womanhood and every attempt to blur the boundaries between the sexes I lose more and more sympathy towards transgender people and become more convinced that we need to be much harder on them. That perhaps even the common courtesy of letting decent individuals pick their own pronouns should be reconsidered it it becomes connected to attacks against women and their safe place in society. You should seriously want to avoid that pushback, because that would negatively impact transgender people who did not want to be dragged into this mess.
That's called discrimination by the way
You could frame many things, including women's sports as discrimination. Turns out, discrimination isn't always wrong. We discriminate against age all the time, we don't allow adults to fuck children or teenagers, and we try to avoid putting biological women at the mercy of biological men, such as with bathrooms and in physical sports.
@BrosephBrostar Yep! Great observation there Broseph! And to @Pillarofhell It’s TOO easy for guys to cheat that way! Tell you what, AFTER you cut your dick and balls off, you STILL can’t compete against 5ft tall women, BUT you CAN use the women’s shower with me after, ill even soap you up if you say please! But AFTER you snip off your cock ‘n balls! Okay is that better?
Wow the transphobia. Are you sure you're an lgbT ally?
I agree with @CrazyGirl2
@Willoughby23 Thank you, but this “pillar” guy is just a troll! Guys like this create accounts and when everyone gets sick of them they just create a new account and start all over w/ another “thing”
Even if they take hormones to level their testosterone, nothing can undo the effects testosterone has on a person from the past. Thats why a trans woman would still be tall, have broad shoulders, be more muscular, have to fake their voice and be unable to naturally grow breasts (most the time) they would still be at a much higher advantage even with the same level of testosterone. And that kind of ruling would be unfair to woman who have higher testosterone as well, since you can choose to transition but you can't choose the gender you are born as.
@tiajoka Thanks for the correcting because some of the things I didn´t know.
Ok. The debate I'd like is on why they should be discriminated against for being better athletes? They're women now.
yeah but they are starting to dominate combat sports in female divisions. its BRUTAL to watch. Seeing a woman get hit like that... I like boxing, kick boxing, mma, but that was just hard to watch. A few times i wanted to go through the screen and save the girls damn.
@t-8900 agreed. That’s why. Not a level playing field.
@t-8900 They're both women
There are some biological differences between a cis woman and a trans woman who transitions after puberty that just can’t be ignored.
@Pillarofhell no man. no amount of PC debating on this is changing my mind no matter what anyone says. You're either male, female, or a hermaphrodites at birth and that's it. what you're born is as is what you are. I'm a hardliner on two things. This and Pro Life. Everything else i can compromise on but not these subjects. Like I already had to tell someone else if you are a transwoman and i see you hit a woman I'm full force hauling off and knocking your ass to the ground like i would any other man and that's that.
@t-8900 I disagree with you on going that far they are women but they were also once men and you can’t ignore that reality when you’re dealing with athletic competition.
@Gwenhwyfar wait you're saying trans women should be able to compete in MMA with normal women?
@t-8900 Why can't you see that theyre women too? Why?
@t-8900 no! Absolutely not.They are women but they were once men. Cis women are grossly outmatched and could get seriously hurt competing with post pubescent trans women.@Pillarofhell you’re not really that good at arguing are you?
@Gwenhwyfar but that was my whole point. If a tranny woman hits a real woman I'm gonna hit the tranny like a man because I'm going to protect the woman, period. I'm not going to watch a man beat up on a girl and anyone who says I should stand back and watch can kick rocks. That one girl was so brutalized by the end of that fight she had a skull fracture and a brain bleed.
Why you people care soo much about stupid ass fake issues? You clueless conservatives
@t-8900 that’s fine. And very chivalric of you. I don’t do MMA but if I’m ever attacked by s trans woman please feel free to rescue me.They are women but they’re much bigger and stronger than other women and that makes a huge difference in the very narrow field of collegiate and professional sports.
@NorthwestRider it is “fake” in the sense that there are very few trans athletes who compete on the collegiate or professional level
@Gwenhwyfar any day hun! I am talking any scenario, MMA, parking lot dispute, doesn't matter. I'm not watching a dude crack a woman's skull open under any circumstances.
And why you care? Like trans women playing sports has zero affects on my life
@Pillarofhell i dont dislike you but based on your username you won't get it. I'm a Christian. However flawed I am, however many times I screw up or fall short, those values are still in me. Even when I struggle sometimes I believe in Man and Woman and that's it. To me to even call a trans the opposite of what they were born as would me being willing to openly sin through peer pressure and societal demands, not gonna happen. The same way I cannot compromise on my pro life stance I cannot compromise on this because i'd be openly giving someone the middle finger. And I'm not willing to just do that. I have pro choicer friends. I'll never agree with them but that's on them. If someone wants to be trans and live their life that's not my business. Likewise it's not their business weather I accept them or not. I'm nice to them but I'm not using "preferred pronouns" again to me that's akin to straight up blasphemy. And if a dude tried to pass themselves off as a woman and tricked me and then told me, lets just say things aren't going over so well for them and leave it at that. For me scripture mentioned all this in Revelation. You won't take that seriously, man won't. Fine, that's fine but I cannot ignore it so dont ask me to.
@NorthwestRider if you ever have daughters you'll care if you worry about them
@t-8900 You know that the Top 1% use this to divide people apart while they steal everything? They want people to fight each other over stupid fake nonsense while they run out of the back door with all of the money
@NorthwestRider @disgustingweebtrash says the same thing but at least he’s funny about it
@NorthwestRider that's not the point at all. But if you wanna see your daughters loose out on scholarships or get their asses beat then by all means let it fly. I'm not out here looking for problems. I have a reason to be concerned.
@t-8900 You know it is the truth. They want people to fall into their trap and fight while the freaking Top 1% steals everything
@NorthwestRider irrelevant, that never has and never will change. that's been going on since the days of the ancient roman republic and it's nothing new. doesn't mean you dont stand up to the trash that comes flying your way
@t-8900 I can care less about trans women in sports or using restrooms. It has zero affects on my goals and life. I also not want to fall into the Top 1% trap
@NorthwestRider thats lovely. i guess you dont plan on kids
@t-8900 I just want to get higher in life
Trans is less than 1% of the population but makes up 80% of normie virtue signalling
@NorthwestRider for someone whose mocking everyone who spends time on and cares about this subject, you sure are spending a lot of time mocking everyone who cares about this subject. And not in a constructive way either. Just in a way that would annoy other people and not convince anyone of whatever thing it is that you want people to be focusing on. Its unproductive and hypocritical.
If they're biologically male but biochemically female, what's the difference? They are on special hormones.
Hormones aren't the only reason men outperform women in sports. So a trans woman being "biochemically female" is irrelevant.
What are the reasons?
Men are stronger , have larger lungs & heart, different skeleton structure, better biomechanics etc.
I find it funny and stupid that soo many people get triggered over the stupidest fake issues like this 😂
@NorthwestRider I don't think you understand what triggered means.
I can see you are trigged over fake cultural war nonsense
That's not always true. Most mtf trans because they are born girls.
@NorthwestRider clearly you are poor at reading people. I'm not triggered one bit.
If you're mtf you're born male.
I do not fall into the Top 1% trap unlike you people
Its not as simple as having a male chromosome that makes you a male. Mtf often have more dominant expressions of their feminine side
Doesn't matter when it comes to sports. There was recently a study which said that mtf trans on hormone therapy don't lose most of their strength. So they have an advantage over cis women
Artificial chemicals do not make a man into a woman, or vice versa.
@zagor They were already girls they just transitioned with the hormonal replacement therapy
@zagor I agree just like artificial crab meat isn't real meat. Just because something contains the same ingredients doesn't mean it's the same. Look at cup cakes and cakes. Same ingredients, different results.
I meant nonbinary, sorry.
as i've said if a biological male hits a biological female then he's getting my biological male fist through his teeth! ^^
Let me add. Do you just choose not to listen to other opinions or some shit? Look at the facts of it all.
Why shouldn't they have personal freedom?
@Pillarofhell They can have personal freedom but people who transition from men to women get on hormones and sometimes on steroids if they have to. You clearly don't understand the fact that, that bulks them up like steroids and destroys any chance of the women winning. It's not discrimination it's common fucking sense. Make your own division or don't take the surgery that will give you the unfair upper hand.
So why is it allowed? The people who allow it must agree with me
@Pillarofhell In the 1900s I could beat my wife and that was considered okay because it was allowed. Something that is allowed does not make it okay.
What women are being brutally beaten?
Are you even reading what I'm saying? It was pointing out the flaws of saying 'well it's allowed and people agree with it so it's okay'. I think the fact that it's allowed shows that the professionals don't do any research before they make rules because there is tons of research that has been done that actively shows that it's a foolish decision to let trans athletes compete in the opposite divisions. Read a few articles that use actual arguments other than using feelings as a strong man to push the opinion that Male to female transgenders should compete in female leagues.
No they did their research and decided all people deserve their right to live a free life
It's like your cherry picking what you respond too... when your debating people it's important to adress the full argument instead of choosing what would magically make you look good.
actually no. cause a woman transitioning will take testosterone, making her violate doping regulations. so that just can't work.
That makes no sense. they're legally women.
You have the right to your opinion.
Yes that's true. 99.9% of men could never compete with michael phelps at swimming. Should he be discriminated against too?
I am sorry that you have been brainwashed.