OK, the rich athlete might bribe his way onto the team, but unless the coach is dishonest, if the rich kid can't cut the mustard, he or she is outta there!
Tall doesn't work in every sport, either. There are no tall sprinters or lugers. And almost everyone in basketball is tall, so it's about the TALENT of the athlete.
Wheelchair runners are far faster than people with legs. Do wheelchair runners compete with Olympians with legs? They don't. The wheelchair runners are TOO advantaged.
This is the point about people who were born male: they are taller, have more muscle mass, longer arms and legs, bigger lungs, hearts, hands and feet. Despite the ones who USE hormones and lose SOME of their male muscle mass, there are transgender women who use NO HORMONES. But hearts and lungs don't decrease in size, and neither do height, arm or leg length, foot or hand size.
Trans women declare themselves women because they "feel and think" they are. Physically they remain biological males. Trans women taking female hormones remain "biological" males with many male physical traits intact.
There's WOMEN who have a host of advantages over other biological women. Biological men shouldn't compete with them.
It has taken 100 plus years for women to even GET their own sports. Let women's sports be for born women. Women's sports are STILL the also-rans. We don't have major league bsseball, basketball, football. Occasionally we have televised soccer, during the Olympics, weightlifting and volleyball. Women just LOST competitive posing in the Arnold Classic. No one wanted to see strong women.
With all THESE issues in women's sports, we don't need biological men wanting a piece of the SLICE of our competitive sports pie. Truthfully, women are only truly competing on the college level and in MMA sports. Professional leagues are nearly nonexistent.
I find this is more of that old chestnut of male sexism wearing a different skirt.
It only applies to mtf athletes who underwent male puberty. If they are put on blockers as a kid and undergo HRT they will basically be the same hormonally as a cis woman. If they went though puberty they will eventually loose the body mass from male puberty but they will still retail extra height caused by testosterone and male puberty. There is a science behind it and people take that in to consideration because women are a protected class. If a mtf athlete had just begun her transition and wasn’t at a certain hormonal level and she was participating in a contact sport like boxing it would be unfair because she would beat the crap out of the other woman boxers.
Plenty of rich athletes aren't competitive. Plenty of shorter athletes do amazingly well. But the advantage of being male and competing in female sports is an overwhelming advantage.
There have been WNBA teams - the PROS! - who have lost basketball games to HIGH SCHOOL boy's teams. Think about that for a second.
There are men who aren't even athletes, who don't compete at all, who can easily break women's records of various competitions, especially related to strength.
That's BIOLOGY. Biology that can't be overcome. And the fact that this isn't obvious to some people is a pretty clear sign that those people have been brainwashed to believe that facts don't matter - only feelings. It's the same crap as "there are no correct answers" and "math is racist" and "time management is racist."
Unfortunately, women's sports will have to be destroyed, and some women will be maimed for life or killed, before this gets fixed, because too many people are afraid to go against a small percentage of loudmouths on Twitter.
Well male transvestites are at a disadvantage in men's sports.
It would be like tennis player
Novak Djokovic cutting his testicles off, getting fake tits and putting on a women's tennis outfit to compete against the women.
Time and again its been proven that when trans women compete in women's sports the dominate, you might have been a below average male athlete but in women's sports as a trans woman you are not only above average but superior. This has been shown time and again with trans women smashing women's records.
Yes. This has happened repeatedly, starting with Renee Richards back in the 70s in the US Tennis circuit. A middling male player, was very good in college and late in life, in 40s had sex reassignment. Played as a woman until age 48 and dropped out of singles because he was a big, strong ex dude who had loads of playing experience. Was in top 25 among women's singles players in her 40s... but was only in top 100 among men. This was TAKING FEMALE HORMONES. It's simply, patently unfair to women.
These were male athletes now wanting to STAY in athletics, knowing they will outperform women. More male privilege. Shameful and unfair. It's WOMEN'S sports, not men taking female hormones sports. I don't care what legal name change you've had, or what male sexual organs you've removed, or what breast augmentation you've had. Biologically, you're a man.
I will always refer to a transwoman with her female name, and give her respect. On this issue, though, transgender women are simply wrong.
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Look at Mary Gregory. She broke 4 women's long-established powerlifting records in one day in spite of being on HRT for a year and a half. Thankfully they revoked her titles but we didn't establish this men vs. women division based on wealth. I was sprinter in my youth and I was poor living with single mother but I already got ~10.3sec on 100m dash in spite of being 173cm. That would make me the fastest woman in the world if I was a woman.
I find many people in favor of trans athletes were never elite athletes. I was and I think it's important to have a sense of how much advantage a born-male body has in these things to have been an elite one at least once in our lifetime. Of course, people who never competed towards the top-tiers don't understand. Trained biological women can kick biological men's asses. But not when we're comparing elite real women against elite real men.
But it doesn't even matter talking about 2 years of HRT because trans-athletes can get GRT and compete before 2 years of hormone therapy. If I did that when I was 16, no woman would stand a chance against me: not even Florence Griffith-Joyner who has the world record for 100m dash.
10.49 secs is not even an Olympic qualifier typically for men. I would average those times and get up to 10.3 on my best days. We are not even talking about 2 years of HRT. Maybe my times would have gone up to 11 secs if I was on HRT for 2 years but I'd still be defeating almost every woman in my teens except the world's best. That one in your pic born man isn't even fast -- 12+ secs for 100m dash. That's slow as hell by men's standards.
I can accept co-ed arguments that are genetically based but the establishment of women's sports as a separate division was based on one of the strongest genetic and social factors possible that influence performance: biological sex. It does not make sense to me to let people who just identify as women, especially absent years of hormone therapy, to compete in the women's division just based on their identity. How is this not common sense? How stupid is this? The emperor is naked, damn it! He's not wearing new clothes!
And I don't wanna offend trans people using terms like "real man" and "real women". I wanna respect their identity. But I can't respect identities when that 0.1% of people who just started entering these sports identifying as women are kicking their asses left and right at the top tiers! You aren't leaving me room to be respectful. I gotta start drawing a stronger biological/physiological distinction because, in these spaces, the biology and physiology starts to matter a whole lot.
Trans males to females have the biological advantages of males competing in lower leveled female sports. There are examples of biological males moving into female sports and dominating the fields in many examples, but just off the top of my head handball, weightlifting, tennis, UFC, etc.
Biological males have testosterone which leads them to, on average, be faster, stronger, and as such better at most sports than their female counterparts. Even after transitioning these effects are apparent
Why separate men and women in the first place? If it's the same as being tall or rich, why not close the wnba and women soccer and put all genders together?
The answer is because if you do it then tomorrow there will be no women in sports. Not even one. There will be some female referees, until that will die out too and we will only take part as the cheerleaders.
@jaybee281 yeah I mean in fairness all the fact checking sites are like, “it wasn’t an actual competition. It was a scrimmage.”
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Megan Rapinoe couldn’t make a Division III men’s college team. Doesn’t mean she isn’t a fantastic player.
Incidentally, that training method was borrowed from the Germans- their 2007 World Cup willing team, which didn’t give up a single goal, scrimmaged multiple times against the German boys’ U16 team. What does that tell you?
I’m not familiar with that scrimmage that the USWNT had; however, what I did mention was a series of training and scrimmages the German WNT did against teenage boys under 16 in which the WNT was soundly defeated.
But based on those two data sets of the world’s best women players playing skilled teenage boys, why would you think the female players would be able to hang with skilled older male players (at least 18, and more likely at least 20)?
You’re going to a lot of trouble to make excuses for failed leftist policy designed to control people rather than being based on science.
@OddBeMe: If you're going to ignore common sense and evidence, there's nothing we can do about the bizarre conclusions you draw based on your servitude to the Cult of Leftism. Think about this: if women could make men's professional sports teams, why haven't they? After all, NBA and professional male soccer players make far more money than their female counterparts in the WNBA and female professional soccer leagues.
That they had their pictures taken with Rapinoe (a famous athlete) is irrelevant and indicates nothing. That you grasp on THAT for "evidence" shows how utterly clueless you are.
Those of us who coach female athletes are glad that they have the opportunity in organized sports to compete against other females rather than against biological males.
@ladsin 😂😂😂Man I swear if they had won they'd be like "this proves that women can compete with men and we'll show it to the world - wage gap bla bla" - They were trying to prove themselves make no mistake about it they're just not on 14 year old kids level let alone guys older than 16 let alone even older than that but when it comes to talking - being aggressive is useless - a guy with a different mind than myself would have called you a neurotic beta for calling me a simp - and then we would have a dubious conversation about you being rich and fwbs and about me having great inherited looks and a girlfriend and taking each others numbers to prove a point - Let's not do that doesn't help anyone.. I'd rather talk amicably with someone I disagree with and have a good conversation than argue with someone I agree with through petty insults - that's people who are on your side - let alone people who are already disagreeing with what you said..
I'm not saying she won't make it into the US national team, I'm saying she wouldn't even make it as a professional footballer. The closest she could get to the US national team would be as their accountant or something.
Take the most talented 12 yo footballer in the world. Could be make it into the adult national team? No. That's why we separate by age. It's the same thing. But saying that being rich is the same being male or 25 yo is just dumb. There were plenty of superstars who started out very poor. Being physically big is important is some sports, and indeed some sports have weight categories, but in football (soccer) the three greatest of all time were below average height.
@OddBeMe: I think what's going on here is that you've simply assumed she's as good as any top professional male player because she griped about the pay for the WNT vis a vis the MNT. She's a terrific athlete when playing against other female professional players but wouldn't be against male professional players.
You ignored the evidence given to you from the pitch as well as physiological differences- we do know that top women athletes in soccer and track aren’t comparable to top male athletes, or even developing ones 15 and over. At the longest swimming and running distances perhaps (e. g., swimming the English Channel due to women’s greater body fat percentage), but not in soccer and other contact team sports.
You citing King shows how utterly clueless you are- she was in her 20s and Bobby Riggs was 55, far past the peak age of a tennis player. And that was tennis, not soccer.
Female sports were created for a reason. Allowing a trans person to compete with them is unfair. Their genetic makeup is still that of a man's even with blockers and such. That's just the way it is. Saying this does not mean that someone is homophobic or against them, uts simply calling a spade a spade.
I honestly don’t see why. Individual athletes are different.
Imagine thinking that this is a fair fight.
https://www.sportskeeda.com/mma/news-when-transgender-fighter-fallon-fox-broke-opponent-s-skull-mma-fight
Being rich or tall is not at all comparable to being overall physically stronger than your opponent, especially when being tall isn't something you had any influence over. Most sports don't really suffer due to the athletes buying their way in. If you wanna talk about motorsport, which does suffer from rich kids, that is an entirely different argument. Whether or not you're rich, you'll still have to bring good results, and here you'll have an advantage if you're a trans girl fighting biological women.
The skull is one of the strongest bones in the body. That is incredible and it certainly highlights the differences in an understandable way
Males have more bone density, more muscle cells, build muscle easier, more cell hemoglobin; basically they are built to work harder and longer. Women just cannot compete at the same level, it's just the rules of biology.
If women and men could compete and be equal, there would be no arguments. The fastest lady on earth can outrun Usain Bolt and something like the top ninety fastest men when you compare her to the other female athletes of the world. However, that is if you correct time and account for the differences. Otherwise if comparing women to men, men are just built differently.
When you let biological men compete with women that will do nothing but hurt the females. Do you recall the story about a trans-MMA fighter who fractured the face of a female fighter? Doesn't that strike you as wrong?
This is like asking "why even have a women's league separate from the men's?" Perhaps there is some gradient where we could create more competitive omnisex games by matching stats or whatever. But who really wants to do all that work?
In any case, I know a lot of "cis" women who are mistaken for men all the time. I can only imagine they find this whole debate the height of infuriating - they have been demanding to be called women since the dawn of civilization, and have a pretty good case to make (having ovaries). But it wasn't until men demanded to be called women that anyone paid attention..
You trolling? The controversy is about trans-women because people who are born men have higher amounts of testosterone (the most powerful natural steroid) and men have far better hand-eye coordination which is why men can dunk in basketball and throw a baseball harder and faster. A person who was born a female will never be able to dunk or throw a baseball like a person who was born a man. This isn't political, it's science.
We're upset because of physical advantages. A dirt poor homeless trans-woman athlete will have a ton of advantage over an ultra-rich real woman. It doesn't matter how poor Heather Swanson's family is or how rich Strong Woman's family is, Heather Swanson is gonna dominate because "she" was born as a man.
Practice has nothing to do with it. A woman will never be able to throw as hard or run as fast as a man regardless of practice.
I'm not a professional athlete, but I could probably kick the ass of Rhonda Rousey simply because I'm a guy with testosterone. SCIENCE
I think what people tend to miss is that when those out there who do transition before going through puberty and go on blockers to delay puberty until old enough to begin their hormone therapy matching their identity that they really don't develop all those natural advantages everyone complains about.
Even for those who transition after puberty. There are characteristics locked into place (like height for example) but transwomen will lose a lot of their natural strength advantages and have to work harder to achieve it especially after the year mark.
It's ok not to agree with anyone who transitions but be respectful of them and try to get all the details.
To those who are making that transition, keep living your truth. There are those of us out there who have your back. 😊❤
Men go against men and women go against women..
Do you think it would be fair competition if a ftm trans competes against men?
So why would the competition be fair if a mtf trans competes against women?
You can't even create a new category for them to compete in because there will probably be like 7 of them.
Yeah, it's not fair to them and it sucks that they are cool enough to want to do sports but you'll just end up destroying everything that women worked for to get somewhat of respect for their sports just to end up allowing some chick with a dick to beat them every single time.
It's unfair to that one person to not allow them in... But it's more unfair to those thousands of people to allow them in 🤷♀️
Because women are women, not "people with vaginas" or whatever disturbing AF terms they are shoving down our throats.
There is a physical difference between the sexes.
I coach both female and male athletes. I suggest you go to a track meet and it will be readily apparent to you why biological males have advantages.
You clearly know nothing about sports if you think “rich kids” get “bribed onto varsity teams” or even if that is equivalent.
The Cult of Leftism spreads its poison everywhere.
If you're argument stands then why do European athletes compete with African athletes who have a natural advantage? The fact is barely few people watch women's sport and it would be a shame to invite a man dressed up as a woman who has a natural advantage and specifically isn't a woman then that would be completely stupid and irrational. Sports are played competively to make money and women's sport have the lowest audiences they are paid much less because barely a few people watch it and making a man compete with them would be injustice to them.
We are all born with the number of muscle fibers that we will ever have. We can't add muscle fiber were it doesn't exist. If you fed steroids to a women she could never be as big and strong as Arnold because she simply doesn't have the same number, placement and type of muscle fibers. We can thicken and strengthen the muscle fibers that we have, but that is it. That is all
Transgender athletes have that, even if you reduce their hormones to those of a normal female they still have the advantage that they were born with
It is sad to see people pretending that there is no advantage
@JayParris muscles fibers are like strands of spaghetti that extend from one connective tissue to the other. I am trying to comprehend how these long pieces of muscle fiber get created, connected in a strand from one tendon all the way to another.
I am not saying its not true because I don't know but I am trying to imagine how it could possibly work
@JayParris As I was reading through some of the other people's responses I remembered more things. I am not a professional athlete but I am active in the realm of physical exercise, running, lifting... Because of this I regularly had my lung capacity, bone density, body fat measured. It reminded me that men have larger hearts than women. So much so that the average pulse for a woman is higher than that of a male. Men have larger lungs than women (on average). My lung capacity was 140% of average for men in my category (age, sex, other stats). My heart size is at the top of the normal scale for men in my category. My resting pulse was in the 40s. My bone density was at the top of the scale as well. That is all compared to men of my age, weight, ... When compared to a woman it would be even more skewed.
Another thing to consider is connective tissue. If you feed someone steroids or HGH the limit to their strength will likely be how much their connective tissue (tendons..) can withstand before breaking and tearing off of the bone. I think that you can guess where this is going but just being born a male will give you stronger connective tissue which equates to a higher potential strength and all of this also equates to being able to train and compete with far fewer injuries, tears, sprains...
I only commented because I thought it was interesting when I read it, and wanted to share. Not at all arguing that women have the capacity to become a strong as men, it that trans aren't at an advantage.
Maleness starts in the womb, not at puberty, anyway, so the argument that keeping boys from pubescent development nullifies their advantage doesn't hold much water, either.
@JayParris i agree and I didn't think that you were disagreeing with me either. I just figured that I would add to my own response. I really didn't think about it too deeply but when I did I quickly realized how much difference there can be
They are at a massive advantage due to the differences in sex. Being rich has very little to do with athletic ability, being tall has some to do with it, but that is correlated to biological sex so you just proved my point.
That said, I am shedding no tears over this, if it does destroy women's sports, so be it. This perverse and wicked obsession with transgenderism (which is a deeply sinful sexual perversion) was brought onto us by the same left-wing nuts that brought feminism and title 9. Its time for them to reap what they have sown and be engulfed in their own destruction.
There's actually zero evidence suggesting that trans women do better in sports than cis women. The Olympics have allowed trans athletes to compete since 2004 but no trans women have ever even qualified for the Olympics let alone won. What these people against trans athletes are trying to do is create a culture war and distract us from actual problems facing the trans community. Trans women doing better in sports than cis women is a nonexistent problem.
Just statistically, how is it possible that a Mary Gregory is breaking 4 long-held world records in powerlifting in a single day? "She" is part of a community that only spans 0.1% of the population on average. This is bullshit. I do not want to disrespect trans people but I cannot put their identity above their biology and physiology here. We did not establish women's divisions based on how people identity.
Agreed. The fact that the top performing female athletes in the world are all trans isn't proof lol
Because we already understand that people are born fiffernt we simply attempt to make the playing filed as fair as it can be its not a new concept there is a reason many sports split gender because we understand the advantages and differences or in fighting sports spliting athletes into differnt weight classes
The part we made the distinction that men couldn't compete in women's sports because generally women can't keep up with men. That is a barrier that couldn't be crossed before. Now, men can take drugs... or sometimes not even use the drugs and instead just make the claim that they're women, then compete in women's sports. The fact that they crush the normal women makes it obvious why the barrier existed in the first place.
Any assertion that it's about being equal is *your* injection. They're not about being equal, it's about merit. The only reason we have the gender separated sports is because there's just that many women that want to compete. So we create this separate division just so they can participate. It's the one compromise on merit we make.
How about you focus on real issues like healthcare instead of complaining about culture war nonsense?
Okay? but you are comparing external factors with something more internal. Don't get me wrong yeah rich people are more of an advantage but bribing is already not allowed, that's why it happens under the table and if they are caught they can get in trouble. Compared to transgender athletes competing in the opposite gender is more internal because it is something that cannot be changed and that genetics.
This statement doesn't make sense unless you remove gender division in sports. If they do neither women or trans people will have a chance against men. It's like me bragging that I can run faster then any kid in preschool. Because they are bound to have very short legs. It's not impressive because everyone can outclass them easily in that age.
There are definitely biological differences between the sexes hormone therapy isn't going to eliminate those differences.
Personally I don't think it really matters unless we are talking about top tier athletes, where the margins for victory are slim.
Because they have the body structure of a man. Because they are men, men are physically faster and stronger then women. We are biologically superior than women in sports you allow men who think there women compete against women you’ll eventually no longer have women’s sports it will just be men’s sports women will not be allowed to compete because they are physically not capable of competition against a man
This makes no sense at all.
You are moving the goal post.
Men compete against men... women compete against women.
Women are at at HUUUUUUGE unfair disadvantage if men are allowed to compete against women.
Don't you like women? Why would you support some guy coming in and kicking their ass in every sport because he goes trans at age 16?
Sounds like you don't like women since you don't want them treated fairly.
Your logic is flawed.
Just because bribes are wrong doesn't make men competing in womens' sporting events right. They are both wrong because contestants are given unfair advantages.
So it is right for people who care about fairness to oppose both. And most do.
By the way. There are people serving prison time right now for bribing schools to give their kids advantages.
So by your reasoning wouldn't it be "equity" to give transgenders prison time for their unfair behavior?
Because it essentially renders women athletes obsolote since women are objectively speaking inferior when it comes to their physique. Essentially there will be no biologically female athletes anymore, since they simply are unable to compete with men. Which is the entire point of seperating male and female sports.
Funnily enough most sports allow females to compete with the males - just not the different way around.
there's natural variance within the gender. that's normal. sport is inherently not fair due to the genetic lottery. but being a man is basically equivalent to a massively doped woman. if you'd have olympic games with no gender separation, no woman would get a medal. that's how big those differences are.
not even would no woman get a medal, i think no woman would even qualify to begin with.
Now you’re rationalizing. Seriously... Rich kids? Money doesn’t buy talent. It’s all about who you are as a person. You want to talk about tall too. Just about all the transgender athletes are taller than women. You ever see that guy that plays college basketball? He’s like 6’9”. You see that volleyball player? The women come up to his chest.
Ok, if you want to say that access to testosterone, steroids, performance enhancing drugs, sure. But that’s stuff is pretty common nowadays, anybody can get their hands on it with the right connection.
As far as pure talent goes. Genes you were born with, no amount of drugs or anything can defeat that. Just like how men are born too. Bigger bones, more strength. Lowering your testosterone the only thing it does is make you sluggish. The raw power is still there.
You can’t keep rationalizing everything to fit your narrative. It never ends well.
If trans people want to compete, start a trans league.
Then why have gender-based sports at all? Just have one basketball team per college, and make the girls try out for the same team the men are on.
Your comparison is irrelevant - the point of having separate events for men and women is that there are inherent differences between the genders. If you allow biological males to compete on female teams because they feel like women then why not allow any male to do so?
@OddBeMe Nope - People on here have already given you opinions - I've already given you my opinion on little bro's team beating the USWNT - Those world Champs - I'll give you one better - Serena Williams - supposedly the goat of tennis - and her sister venus Williams - lost to a RETIRED 205th ranked dude who had belly fat - both of them lost on the same day each in 2 sets..
Trans women have a huge advantage by default for being male. How is this difficult for you to understand? Do you think men and women should compete together?
Wouldn't bribing your kid onto the varsity team be a situation where the kid ends up being the shittest person on the team? That doesn't give them a physical advantage...
And of course there are natural athletes.
But that's kinda just it right? Sports should go to the best NATURAL athletes. Not the ones who are abusing chemicals to their advantage.
Some of the best athletes were dirt poor. So I don t think that's true. Regardless of how much money you have, it's about how much training you do and what natural ability you have. Not everyone can be a pro athlete. Give me a billion dollars and I still can't do it. Money is no advantage or a negligible one. Biology makes a huge difference. Which is why they don't allow steroid use either.
I agree with the “rich family” aspect. But trans in women’s/girls sports are different. They had the benefit of going through puberty bathed in testosterone. Their bones are more dense, more muscle, bigger lungs and heart. And these are residual. I mean, just look at ANY trans competing in women’s sports. They are dominating and destroying the girls.
To compare a height advantage to many advantages that trans athletes is just crazy.
This rapper broke a female deadlift record. So another issue is that you are shitting on every record those real women worked hard to break.
Assuming that you're talking about men in women's sports, it's just that... men in women's sports and it's a huge advantage. There are plenty of athletes from poor and/ or middle class beginnings that make good in their own gender's sports... that happens all the time
Why not just end women's sports altogether? Just have one division for everyone--man, woman or trans.
You know what would happen?
ZERO women winning anything.
ZERO trans people winning anything.
All awards going to cis men.
Will that make you happy?
If I'm outrun by a woman - then my own training was not good enough.
Doing sports is also about the mental ability to accept that someone just was 'better' than you.
Are you for real rich families don’t have a physical advantage in terms of strength speed etc that trans athletes do hence men and women compete separately finance is a completely different discussion treacle
Genetics. Individuals with large amounts of testosterone are more muscular built and perform better in sports.
People that are genetically male are naturally stronger and faster.
If they make transgender a thing, then all of the women will start being genetically male that look female.
For the same reason men are at an advantage over women.
People are stupid, now trans kids can’t even participate in sports just because of their genitalia.
I’m not going to waste my time explaining your misinterpretation of the word transphobic.
But since you didn’t answer my question, I’ll answer my question for you..
The simple scenario they teach in school many of us learn that two X chromosomes make someone female, and an X and a Y chromosome make someone male. These are simplistic ways of thinking about what is scientifically very complex. Anatomy, hormones, cells, and chromosomes (not to mention personal identity convictions) are actually not usually aligned with one binary classification.
scientists now understand that everyone's body is made up of a patchwork of genetically distinct cells, some of which may have a different sex than the rest. This "mosaicism" can have effects ranging from undetectable to extraordinary, such as "identical" twins of different sexes. An extremely common instance of mosaicism comes from cells passing over the placental barrier during pregnancy. Men often carry female cells from their mothers, and women carry male cells from their sons. Research has shown that these cells remain present for decades
As our understanding of biology continues to advance, our social, legal, and medical systems will have to evolve as well. Weather you like it or not, that’s how human life progresses. Not by staying in the past like y’all seemingly want to do, rather than keeping an open mind and being a decent human, having empathy for fellow human beings?
Source: www.nature.com/.../spectrum
For many transgender people, quality of “life improves after they transition. Gender reassignment is often essential for their well-being, with better psychosocial functioning, more stable relationships, and higher levels of contentment and happiness being reported by men and women who have transitioned.”
https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/321258
The reason why so many trans people are committing suicide is because of assholes such as yourself that think their entire existence is an illness in and of itself. Trans people are subjected to hate crimes and the majority of trans people commit suicide because of being ostracized by their family, colleagues, basically anyone that’s thinking like you.
among transgender individuals primarily arises in response to the discrimination, stigma, lack of acceptance, and abuse they face on an unfortunately regular basis.
Psychologists have been documenting the effect that stigma, rejection, discrimination, and abuse have on mental and physical health for decades
If you actually cared about transgender people committing suicide so much you’d try to fix the problem and be an ally. But as I’m assuming, you literally lack empathy and most likely don’t even care that you’re contributing negatively to a persons life.
Gender dysphoria — a state of emotional distress caused by how someone’s body or the gender they were assigned at birth conflicts with their gender identity — is a widely recognized medical condition. If untreated, it can lead to severe mental health issues, including debilitating depression, anxiety, and suicidal ideation.
Gender dysphoria isn’t a mental illness, it can lead to serious mental illness if not treated and as I’m assuming you’re probably not in favor of transitioning which is literally proven to be the best thing to help with transgender peoples dysphoria.
And not all trans people deal with severe dysphoria. It’s barely or not present for some trans people, while it’s mentally excruciating for others.
These facts show that psychological distress and disability aren’t inherent to being trans, so being trans doesn’t meet the definition of a mental disorder (a psychological state that causes significant distress and disability).
the AMA, APA, and other medical experts agree that letting someone transition, which can entail medical treatments like hormone therapy and gender-affirming surgeries, without social stigma is the main treatment for gender dysphoria. In this way, being trans isn’t the medical condition; living as trans is in fact the treatment to the medical condition.
Do your research at least, cause your arguments aren’t holding up
It's not about anyone being against trans people or something, it simply is about the male biology of many trans athletes.
It might be fatal to other female athletes they might be competing due to the biological advantages and thats not my opinion that's literally what this fuzz is all about everywhere.
Its not transphobia, no one said trans people shouldn't be allowed in sports its just why put them with women when they have biological advantage on them just like men.
@7771999 Don't try to argue with her - She's too woke aka stupid for this - Imagine literally giving arguments for the fact that being born a woman doesn't mean you're a woman - Imagine not knowing that if a dude went through puberty then decided to transition he's a man with a wig and man boobs - She doesn't even realize we're saying it for the women's sake.. People have gone crazy
@doopayo a lot of the biology you are citing either hasn't been studied completely or is just plain wrong. Don't confuse gender identity with biological sex. Chomosomal mosaicism is an anomoly that may lead to being transgender or may not. I haven't seen statistics of what percentage of trans people have chromosomal mosaicism. My guess is that not all do and there are cases where gender identity is mostly psychological. This shouldn't be seen as a criticism of those who have it, it is just a fact. If a person's morphology is male and transitions, that person still has the increased muscle density inherent to XY. On average, they will be physically faster and stronger than most women, despite their identity.
I’m saying that gender identity and biological sex is intertwined.
In the birth process your assigned male or female based off of only gentialia. However gender is not only determined by genitalia, stuff inside your brain determines gender as well.
The male and female brain have structural differences. Men and women tend to have different volumes in certain areas of the brain
When looking at transgender brains, we see that the brain resembles the gender that said person identifies as.
For example, a person who is born with a penis but ends up identifying as a female often actually has some of the structural characteristics of a “female” brain.
And the brain similarities aren’t only structural.
Functional similarities have been found many times as well.
In studies that use MRIs to take images of the brain as people perform tasks, the brain activity of transgender people tends to look like that of the gender they identify with.
Research in these areas are extremely limited, and more research needs to be done to find conclusive results but certain specific trends have definitely been found.
I agree more research needs to be done and obviously identity and preferences come from the brain, but in terms of sports, a male body with a female brain still has an unfair advantage. In combat sports that could lead to serious injury and will definitely impact a biological woman's standing in her sport.
Even if the rich ones bribe their kids into sports, they won't be able to compete well with the genuine ones and that would literally be the end of their career? Ig
Men have such sn obvious advantage over women in sports it's not even a contest.
If you let biological men compete against women, women will never win again.
okay yes a guy competing against girls has an advantage because girls are born with less muscle and guess what, muscle cells don’t regenerate which gives guys an advantage and is also why losing muscle in an injury is such a huge deal
Males out perform females in every sport ( by a large margin ) which is why sports are segregated by sex. If you believe trans women should compete with women, then you believe men and women should compete with eachother.
Because men are much better physically at any sport.. It's common sense buddy
Males, by any other name, are bigger, stronger, and faster than females. If Trans are allowed to compete in the Olympics, they are going to win so much that people won't like it.
People who care soo much about trans athletes are just idiots who have nothing in their lives expect to bitch while serious people care about making $$$ and getting the best healthcare!!
Even when you put testosterone aside, there are still larger and stronger muscle fibers, densier bones, larger heart and lungs and probably more adrenaline rush. MTF transgenders are dominating female sports by far! Not fair at all!
If they are biologically male, they have more fast-twitch muscle fibers and better cardiovascular reserves than biological women.
this entire question is an imperfect solution fallacy. Just because we can't remove every advantage doesn't mean we should not fix the ones that we can easily fix.
This is the dumbest question I have ever read in my entire time on this site.
Because theoretically everyone has a chance to become rich. Unlike a male woman who has physiological advantages, which is a fact of science.
There are already rules against bribery. Try not to sound so stupid.
Biology is biology people. It doesn't care about your politics or your feelings.
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Because women have 2/3 the leg power of a man and half the upper body strength, do you not understand biology?
It has always been clear that you are dishonest about your gender here at GAG, but now the picture is becoming even more clear.
What you are advocating here is that men should be able to compete against women. One does not have to be a genius to understand why that is a stupid idea. If you are truly that challenged then I cannot help you "bro".
Men in women sports. its called biology.
why the sports are not mixed genders in the first place? there is a reason for that.
BIOLOGY.
An increase in testosterone makes it easier to build muscle. Men create more testosterone
You’re joking, right?
You need to read up on biology sport!
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