Girls, Are you okay with trans athlete Lia Thomas competing against women? Do you think there are sports where it’s fine?

[Anonymous]

What sports would it be acceptable for?

[Nine2five]

No no & no!! No amount of hormone replacement “therapy” will ever accurately substitute or even begin to come close to putting a MALE into a females body. What’s worse is they “know” this, yet still they selfishly compete! The only way this would even begin to be fair would be if they had their own separate lane to compete in, seeing how they insist on it after all… But again, they selfishly impose blame on the world for not accepting them for their “version” of gender & label it gender bias, when in fact it’s their own feelings of inadequacy & their own biased thinking to even presume that they themselves have the authority to change their gender, which is already absolute, done, finished from the day of birth. This is the epitome of arrogance entitlement & selfishness. The moment they “step in the ring” so to speak, they have raped the other competitors of all the years of sweat & tears they poured out training. They “know” this too, yet still they selfishly put their desires above others. Fair? No, not even, and no amt of illogical thinking will ever change that.

[Asker]

I’m curious Do you think it matters that she still has man parts? The article that came out said her teammates were uncomfortable with her walking around naked because she has man parts, why do you think that would that matter as her teammate? Especially if they have no problem with other teammates walking around naked in the locker room, where there don’t seem to be any complaints

[caitycat21]

One thing transphobes will never do is research..


In my 2019 she began gender affirming hormone replacement therapy. Get causes a radical change in a persons secondary sex characteristics. For trans women this means they’ll experience the growth of breasts, thinning body hair, changes to their emotions, and DROPS IN MUSCLE MASS AND STRENGTH


Now let’s look at the data !


Ms Thomas won the womens 500 yard freestyle race in 4m 33.24s, she came in the fifth in the 200 yard race, with 1m 43.40 seconds, and eighth in the 100 yard race with 48.40s


These were impressive results, but NOT record breaking. Her performance in swimming has also been shown to have a noticeable decrease that aligns with the time when she started HRT

[PinkMichae]

First of all, just because people don't agree with Trans women competing in women's sports does not make them transphobic. A transphob is someone who hates Trans people. You are aloud to disagree with transgender's without being transphobic.

Next, the studies shows only a 5% decrease in muscle mass after gender affirming hormone replacement therapy. That's not enough muscle mass loss to make it fair for the trans woman to complete with biological women.

[ShaTTeredMasterpeace]

One thing people who use the words transphobe and transphobic won't do is learn the actual definition of the words. You aren't helping your cause. Do better or be quiet.

[PinkMichae]

@ShaTTeredMasterpeace Coming from someone who doesn't know how to spell Masterpiece.

You learn the definition of transphobic. It's someone who hates or discriminates against transgender's. No one is doing any of that. And if you think that people who think they have an unfair advantage against bio women are transphobic, then I can't help you.

Go ahead and try to explain how I'm wrong instead of just saying I'm wrong. You can tell me I'm wrong till you are blue in the face. But if you don't explain why you think I'm wrong or show me proof of your argument, you are just making pointless accusations.

Biological men have approximately 38-40% more muscle mass than Biological women. So if transwomen only lose 5% of their muscle mass they still have 32-35% more muscle mass than Biological women. And that's not my opinion, that's science.

So until you have something intelligent to say based on facts. You be quiet and have a nice day.

[ShaTTeredMasterpeace]

@PinkMichae I wasn't talking to you but ok

[ShaTTeredMasterpeace]

@PinkMichae oh and it's spelled that way on purpose 🤷🏾‍♀️

[PinkMichae]

Then I apologize. But the way you worded what you said sounded Iike it was directed at me.

[CindyRuns]

Lia can call her/himself whatever she/he wants, but, physically she/he's still a guy from the physical viewpoint.

I have been an athlete who played at a very high level (NCAA Div-1 Soccer) and was considered a very good player. When I'm playing against guys, I'm still decent, but, nowhere near being considered outstanding.

This whole thing is wokeness and political correctness gone haywire.

[Asker]

Even after he gender reassignment surgery?

[caitycat21]

@CindyRuns you being an athlete doesn’t make you a valid critique on biology..

[CindyRuns]

Lia still has much of the physical capabilities of a guy.

It's not a level playing field.

[Asker]

Even though she doesn’t have a dick or balls?

[CindyRuns]

Yes, but Lia still has the body of a guy... dick and balls or not !!!

[Asker]

Yeah but once they remove the balls it takes away some strength

[Squaresquirrel]

Asker, he still has higher bone density, bigger lungs, more muscles, it doesn't matter if he is testosterone free for months.

[Asker]

Do you think it matters that she still has man parts? The article that came out said her teammates were uncomfortable with her walking around naked because she has man parts, why do you think that would that matter as her teammate? Especially if they have no problem with other teammates walking around naked in the locker room.

[little_rose]

No, I am not okay with that.

It takes so much effort to be a good athelete (I was a swimmer myself) and the natural differences in performance that come with being male or female is too significant to be ignored just like that.

I have absolutely no problem with people living their sexuality but these trans atheletes should just suck it up!

[Asker]

I’m curious Do you think it matters that she still has man parts? The article that came out said her teammates were uncomfortable with her walking around naked because she has man parts, why do you think that would that matter as her teammate? Especially if they have no problem with other teammates walking around naked in the locker room, where there don’t seem to be any complaints

[Anonymous]

The male and female bodies are designed by function. At this point they’re not competing with peers like themselves. Cause couldn’t they not really rank highly amongst men but then they became trans (to essentially dominate women's sports)? I think we should have a Trans sports/Olympics because this is getting a little out of hand. Sports specifically calibrated for each gender and people are just changing gender to cross over and be higher ranked and get more notoriety is just too much.

[Asker]

Do you think it matters that she still has man parts? The article that came out said her teammates were uncomfortable with her walking around naked because she has man parts, why do you think that would that matter as her teammate? Especially if they have no problem with other teammates walking around naked in the locker room.

[theothersider]

Lea ranked like 434ths place as a male..."she" is now the number one female swimmer in the world. yeah ok.

[Asker]

I’m curious Do you think it matters that she still has man parts? The article that came out said her teammates were uncomfortable with her walking around naked because she has man parts, why do you think that would that matter as her teammate? Especially if they have no problem with other teammates walking around naked in the locker room, where there don’t seem to be any complaints

[theothersider]

why would it matter that a dude is walking around a women locker room with his cock swinging around? I mean I can only speak from a women's perspective but I don't usually worry about another woman raping me with a dick they don't have as where Leah tompson is a man with a fully functioning penis that also by his own admission has an attraction to women. There is also the fact that his team mates all have something in common they are female where Leah is not that is probably were the complaints come from.

[Asker]

Don’t you think having a penis and balls would slow you down swimming? There’s a reason swimmers shave all the hair off their body so it doesn’t hold them back

[theothersider]

well his penis and balls haven't slowed Leah tompson down lol. so no.

[Asker]

He could just be a really good swimmer! I don’t know what’s right in this situation, I think it’s kinda unfair for everyone. As a guy who competes in coed water polo in college, it is awkward being that on display in a Speedo in front of your teammates

[theothersider]

actually he is not that good of a swimmer. as I said as a male competing against males Leah tompson was ranked 434th that means 433 men were better swimmers than him. it wasn't until her became a woman that he became the number one female swimmer in the world. And he isn't even close the last race he was in that caused all this controversy he literally lapped his female competitors. before statistics and biology was considered bigoted it was widly accepted that men are physically stronger than women have larger lungs more bone mass a few months of hormones well after your puberty has passed will not diminish that advantage. I also notice none of these "female" trans athletes seems to be rushing to cut their dick and balls off... I think that should be a requirement bare minimum if you are choosing to compete against women.

[Asker]

Oh wow I didn’t realize that, do you think the fairest way to do it would be a separate league for trans athletes?

I played coed water polo in college and can tell you that some women are fierce and will totally play dirty under the water and go after our man parts to slow us down

[theothersider]

look, I'm not completely heartless and understand that there are some people in the world who's physical sex does not match their mental gender some may even benefit from a full social gender transition but at the end of the day they are still biologically male (or female if you are going they other way) Did you know that there is absolutely no law or rule or stipulation that prevents women from trying out for mens sports. NFL NBA NHL. there have even been women who have tried out they never make the team because they are simply not good enough. not fast enough agile strong. womens sports are in turn protected because it is well understood that men playing against women in full contact sports is not only unfair it is highly dangerous. Sooner or later a female athlete is going to be killed by a transgender athlete during a sporting event... then this conversation around transgendered athletes will become really real.

[Asker]

I would hope it doesn’t come to someone getting killed for the point to be made

What do you think of the women in my coed water polo playing dirty and using groin shots to slow us down?

[JanJan3838]

Women have to fight twice as hard for everything (In my opinion only). So inventing a mental loophole to break down everything we have work for twice as hard is complete BS.

[Asker]

Do you think it changes if he has a sex change surgery?

[JanJan3838]

It will change when the DNA test says female

[RoseJ123]

Totally agree with you!

[Asker]

@RoseJ123 do you think it gives him that much of an advantage? It’s just a penis and balls

[JessicaEarl]

And bone density, and pelvis shape, and limb length

[AvaOneLasTime]

Just... Make category in sports for transgender people. I don't want a man, pretending to be a woman, to compete vs me.
Whether he had surgery or therapies, he was born and developed as boy.

[StrawberryShake]

In this case it's different, but plenty of transgender individuals start hormone therapy before or right after puberty. Therefore they are going to develop as the hormone therapies intended, so no, they are not all going to develop as the sex they were born with. 😐

[Asker]

but Do you think it matters that she still has man parts? The article that came out said her teammates were uncomfortable with her walking around naked because she has man parts, why do you think that would that matter as her teammate? Especially if they have no problem with other teammates walking around naked in the locker room, where there don’t seem to be any complaints

[AvaOneLasTime]

Testicles pump up testosterone, if she still has them. Don't know and i don't want to check in her or his pants.

[Asker]

From what the article said, her teammates see her walking around naked in locker room and she has male parts. I just don’t see why that upsets them so much

[AvaOneLasTime]

It would upset me

[Asker]

I’m not a swimmer but I play coed water polo and there are women that use a guys parts to their advantage when trying to fight for the ball

[AvaOneLasTime]

why do you spam the same question after you waited 24+ hours?
Did you think i won't notice?

[JessicaEarl]

No hormones can change pelvic shape and limb length. Men were made to run around and prove who’s stronger, women were made for birthing beautiful children.

[Asker]

but Do you think it matters that she still has man parts? The article that came out said her teammates were uncomfortable with her walking around naked because she has man parts, why do you think that would that matter as her teammate? Especially if they have no problem with other teammates walking around naked in the locker room, where there don’t seem to be any complaints

[JessicaEarl]

Because girls don’t like being forced to see penises. Same reason getting flashed can be so violating. You have to try to understand that a sexually safe space has been invaded. Whether it’s correct for them to be uncomfortable or not, they’re kids and not sexually adult yet. They’re allowed to be shocked and uncomfortable

[Asker]

Are you less uncomfortable seeing your teammates vaginas?

I play coed water polo in college and while we have separate locker rooms, they see us in Speedos all the time

[JessicaEarl]

Yes, I am less uncomfortable seeing people my own sex naked. It’s much less sexual threatening and there’s no sexual tension. I feel much safer

[Asker]

Why is it sexual threatening

[JessicaEarl]

Evolutionarily speaking, because women can only hold one pregnancy at a time and it’s very delicate and long lasting. So they need to be very careful with the mates that they choose, because they need to be protected during pregnancy when they’re vulnerable, and provided for after. Having a bad mate could lead to both my and my infants death. Rape is receiving a bad mate by force instead of through choice. Due to a long history of rape that began before humanity developed as a species, women are much harder to arouse, they’re generally much more cautious in sexual situations, and sexual trauma can last decades because our body needs to protect us and potential children. The female orgasm is much harder to earn, while men have evolved to spread their seed. So they are turned on quickly, and by physical aspects more than ability like females are.

The reason we wear clothes is because no matter what activists try and say, unexpected visual presentation of certain body parts cause physiological changes in us. In men, it may turn them on because if they’re seeing them, the women has probably already lowered her defenses and is ready to mate. In women, it will likely make them defensive because instincts tell them that if they aren’t turned on but are in a sexual situation, they may be raped and forced into a bad pregnancy and maybe even killed. No matter what you call these body parts, no matter the gender of their owner, bringing visual presentation of genitals to a non sexual situation is psychologically threatening to many people. That can change depending on your life experiences (breasts are more sexual in America than Africa because of less exposure). But at one time, our culture stated that people should have control over the genitals they’re exposed to, but now our culture states that people should be exposed to things against their will and they need to be fine with it

[lrina]

umm no, that's not ok. this "lia thomas" is still a boy no matter what you try to tell me, and that's that. and it's unfair towards the females who are competing against him.

[Anonymous]

Lia was mediocre at best when swimming against men, but a champion among women. That says it all for me.

[Asker]

Yeah but what if a gender reassignment

[Opinion Owner]

A person that went through puberty as a male still has advantages over biological women. Where some strength is lost, there are studies that show trans women are still stronger than biological women. Sports are separated biologically forca reason.

[Opinion Owner]

Besides, according to Lia's teammates, she still has male genitalia. There was a whole thing about them being uncomfortable because Lia sometimes walks around the locker room with male parts exposed.

[Asker]

Oh I thought she didn’t have a penis or balls. Wouldn’t you be able to tell in a tight swim suit

[Opinion Owner]

You would think so, but I guess the people who have seen it would know. There are the articles about uncomfortable teammates and there's this article...

https://thenetline.com/lia-thomas-transition/

[Asker]

Do you think it matters that she still has man parts? The article that came out said her teammates were uncomfortable with her walking around naked because she has man parts, why do you think that would that matter as her teammate? Especially if they have no problem with other teammates walking around naked in the locker room.

[Opinion Owner]

Seeing someone walk around with their male bits dangling about can make some women uncomfortable. I brought up the fact that she still has make genitals because you asked about gender reassignment. I was pointing out there has been no gender reassignment. Also, still having testicles means she is producing testosterone.

[Asker]

Do you think the fix would be for her to use a different locker room?

I played on a coed college water polo team and we use diff locker rooms but play together.

There are women that play dirty and use groin shots to slow guys down during the matches

[Opinion Owner]

That may be the fix for uncomfortable teammates. It doesn't address the significant unfair advantage Lia has over all the biological women she's competing against.

[Asker]

Yeah that’s true.

I played coed water polo in college and can tell you that some women are fierce and will totally play dirty under the water and go after our man parts to slow us down

[Apulu_3]

They should make a whole different category for trans gender. It's cheating both the ways.

[Anonymous]

Until he/she has the surgery she/he is still a guy so no.
https://thenetline.com/lia-thomas-transition/

[Asker]

but Do you think it matters that she still has man parts? The article that came out said her teammates were uncomfortable with her walking around naked because she has man parts, why do you think that would that matter as her teammate? Especially if they have no problem with other teammates walking around naked in the locker room, where there don’t seem to be any complaints

[Opinion Owner]

Why do you keep rabbiting the same comment over & over & over & over?

[Squaresquirrel]

Chess. That would be acceptable.

[Asker]

but Do you think it matters that she still has man parts? The article that came out said her teammates were uncomfortable with her walking around naked because she has man parts, why do you think that would that matter as her teammate? Especially if they have no problem with other teammates walking around naked in the locker room, where there don’t seem to be any complaints

[Squaresquirrel]

He's got man parts = he's a man=why is he competing as a woman?
It matters ofc, he is never going to be a biological woman.
If a man walking around with his dick swinging, every woman would be uncomfortable.

[Asker]

If he has the surgery would it then be okay for him to walk around naked like his teammates?

[Squaresquirrel]

No, it wouldn't be okay. And your question was about sport.
Chess is the only sport where it would be acceptable for transwomen to compete against women.

[helva]

I am not ok with this. Lia is still a man.

[Asker]

Do you think it matters that she still has man parts? The article that came out said her teammates were uncomfortable with her walking around naked because she has man parts, why do you think that would that matter as her teammate? Especially if they have no problem with other teammates walking around naked in the locker room.

[DermalPunch]

I agree with what Bruce Jenner said.

[Asker]

but Do you think it matters that she still has man parts? The article that came out said her teammates were uncomfortable with her walking around naked because she has man parts, why do you think that would that matter as her teammate? Especially if they have no problem with other teammates walking around naked in the locker room, where there don’t seem to be any complaints

[DermalPunch]

I hate every last iota about all of this garbage. That's what I think.

[Asker]

Do you think male parts make that much of a difference in swimming?

[DermalPunch]

Maybe it may slow her down a bit if you mean the package. If you mean biologically about hand size, lung capacity and all the Jenner mentioned yes it makes a huge difference. At that level of competition, nanoseconds count and Thomas absolutely has an unfaor advantage.

[Asker]

Yeah I would think that it would be more benefit not to have dangly bits slowing you down in swimming, same reason they shave all the hair on their body

[DermalPunch]

But that is inconsequential in the grand scheme of things. Thomas has an biological advantage.

[DermalPunch]

I am uncomfortable with women walking around naked in the changeroom i would absolutely be uncomfortable with a man playing a woman walking around with his nuts hanging out.

[Asker]

Yeah I can see that, so you’d want to wait until the gender reassignment surgery was done?

[DermalPunch]

I don't want them/they/xe in there period. I don't care what they had sawed off and sutchered on. I don't want to see real vaginas or fake vaginas.

[Asker]

It’s not like having man parts gives him an advantage in the race, they prob slow him down

[Gosselinfan]

They will always be a man so no is bad

[Asker]

Do you think it matters that she still has man parts? The article that came out said her teammates were uncomfortable with her walking around naked because she has man parts, why do you think that would that matter as her teammate? Especially if they have no problem with other teammates walking around naked in the locker room.

[Gosselinfan]

It’s a man no matter what

[Asker]

Even without the parts?

[Gosselinfan]

Uh yep he’s a man born man end of story he can’t be a women

[Asker]

I played coed water polo in college and can tell you that some women are fierce and will totally play dirty under the water and go after our man parts to slow us down so it works both ways

[Gosselinfan]

That makes no sense to what We are talking about

[JennieF]

No. As a female athlete, I think it's very unfair.

[Asker]

I’m curious Do you think it matters that she still has man parts? The article that came out said her teammates were uncomfortable with her walking around naked because she has man parts, why do you think that would that matter as her teammate? Especially if they have no problem with other teammates walking around naked in the locker room, where there don’t seem to be any complaints

[RebeccaSJ]

No, I am not. It's not fair to women.

[Asker]

I’m curious Do you think it matters that she still has man parts? The article that came out said her teammates were uncomfortable with her walking around naked because she has man parts, why do you think that would that matter as her teammate? Especially if they have no problem with other teammates walking around naked in the locker room, where there don’t seem to be any complaints

[dorksided1]

Not at all

[Asker]

Do you think it matters that she still has man parts? The article that came out said her teammates were uncomfortable with her walking around naked because she has man parts, why do you think that would that matter as her teammate? Especially if they have no problem with other teammates walking around naked in the locker room.

[KatherineJ]

I am not ok with it.

[Asker]

Do you think it matters that she still has man parts? The article that came out said her teammates were uncomfortable with her walking around naked because she has man parts, why do you think that would that matter as her teammate? Especially if they have no problem with other teammates walking around naked in the locker room.

[KatherineJ]

Because she went through male puberty. She has more muscle mass than a natal female. She has a huge unfair advantage over someone who is born female. As far as her being in the locker room with male parts, that would be uncomfortable for almost any other female.

Look, I don’t think it’s my place to say that anyone doesn’t have the right to live the life that they believe is theirs. What I will say is that her right to live that life shouldn’t interfere with any other woman’s right to compete, or get athletic scholarships intended for girls/women under Title IX.

[Anonymous]

No it makes me upset