A Nazi-supporting YouTuber had her channel terminated. Was this right on YouTube's part? (Page 2)
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well if somebody made a youtube channel about how "niggers" are inferior, that would probably be banned too. i mean you can rightfully point out some things hitler did, that are not bad at all. but litterally saying the holocaust was righteous is definitely hatespeech and if it´s not satire, i think it´s fine to ban that shit.
She seems really stupid I hope she grows out of it. Racism is a serious matter and should never be allowed anywhere.
The only reason why I say yes is because youtube is a private owned company and I am very republican when it comes to these cases in that if you own a company you should be allowed to refuse service to anyone you want or kick anyone out. Same case here.
YouTube is private business. They don't have any obligations to keep up videos that may affect their business interests. And videos like this going viral on their site could potentially be bad for buisness
Is she in the right? No.
But should she have freedom of speech to spew her bullshit? Yes.
So youtube was in the wrong. If you don't like her and don't agree, then just don't fucking watch it. It's that simple.
Her freedom of speech was not being violated. Freedom of speech means what you say is protected from the government and YouTube is not a government entity.
Also, too many people mistake freedom of speech for freedom from criticism. You're free to say what you want but if you say something that's racist, hateful, or just downright stupid then people have the right to call you out on it.
It's the same thing when people complained about A&E suspending Phil of Duck Dynasty for his comments on gays.
@bloodmountain1990 I completely agree - everyone should be free to say what they want, but others are free to say back what they want as well. Freedom of speech is not freedom from criticism.
How is YouTube in the wrong? YouTube has complete authority when deciding how people use their site. YouTube can ban a person's account if they don't like ice cream and a user keeps posting videos about ice cream. Banning her account does not inhibit her ability to free speech. This Nazi-loving girl can go on the public sidewalk and scream all the Nazi sentiment she wants. However, if she is on private property (e. g., the mall, a store, a restaurant, someone's home property), that property owner has the right to give her the boot back to the public sidewalk. It's no different when you are using a computer platform.
https://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/free_speech.png
violates terms of service and youtube has the right to remove channels and videos they deem are not in line with what they want as content on their site
Yea because spreading hate and racism is a good thing. I understand that it's freedom of speech but why only use it when it comes to defending someone spreading hate. So yea her channel needed to be taken off a YouTube.
Why are some people so obsessed with Jews? They are generally above average intelligence, have tons of Nobel prizes, often make good doctors etc...
Like who?
Well the girl in this post is a good example of someone who hates Jews.
Oh yeah. I dunno
Easy: jealousy. By the way, what you said is a stereotype too.
Actually jews just have more access to higher education. Thus they end up being more intellectually challenged on average. If you put the average in context to people of similar socioeconomic background, they are behind though. Not that it matters much, but you are making a very one-sided statement that is not particulary true.
@Felinegirl @FakeName123 Nope. Ashkenazi Jews average IQ is between 112-115 but they score especially high (average IQ of 125) in verbal reasoning, comprehension, working memory, and mathematical computation.
There have been 850 people to receive a Nobel prize, 20% of the recipients are Jewish, but Jews only make up 0.2% of the world population.
Income, and thus education, does play a role but it's estimated that something like 60-80% of intelligence is genetic.
Sure, averages might say it's true, but that doesn't mean all jews are that smart. Still just a stereotype.
@Felinegirl That doesn't even make any sense...
Are you trying to say: Yes your right that is the truth, but I don;t like the truth so I'm going to simply disregard it.
1. Nobody is usign the term "All" but you, this has been about generalities from the start as clearly stated in my first post.
2. Something being a stereotype has nothing to do with it being true or false. Brushing something off, in the face of hard facts, as "just a stereotype" is a non argument and is 100% irrational.
3. If something is generally true, and there is a stereotype about that, then the stereotype is simply correct, like it is in this case.
4. If the Ashkenazi Jew average is 125 IQ then that will mean 50% of them are that smart or smarter, while 50% will be that smart or less. But considering the average American IQ's: white person has an IQ of 103, Asian 106, Hispanic 89, African America 85. This means that a large majority of Jews are smarter than most people. Meaning Jews are good at smart people jobs
Jews aren't even a race, it's a religion. White, hispanic, black or Asian people can all be jewish. Where did you get these iq data? They sound extremely exaggerated.
@Felinegirl You're kinda half right/ half wrong, Jew is both a religion and a race, we know this because of DNA research. I got the information from Geneticists who do this kind of research, wasn't hard to find with google.
www.livescience.com/...ws-have-european-genes.html
As for the IQ thing there is just to much info, Google IQ and Race, you will see what I mean.
It's all a complex subject, which is why we are speaking in generalities, in any case this is fast becoming a conversation that a 1000 character text box is just insufficient for. Bottom line, SJW social opinions are based on feelz not facts, reality is far more complex then they like to admit.
I did google it and found an artick comparing the results of many studies. It does only focus on the differences between black and white though.
Your claims about average IQ differences are indeed exaggerated. Furthermore, a large part is environmental. If you would compare children who grew up in similar environments, the differences are even smaller. The studies weren't conclusive as to which genes (black, white or mixed) might be 'smarter', partially because it's often close to impossible to filter out all environmental effects.
Conclusion:
1. Environment (including culture) has a large impact on IQ
2. There hardly is any evidence for racial differences in IQ if you filter out the environmental influences, so it's a bit dubious to attach the races to the IQ's. These statistics might be true but might not be influencing each other. It's the same as saying "people who eat ice cream get sunburned more often" which is technically true but is caused by the fact that people in the sun..
... eat more ice cream AND get burned more easily.
3. I didn't find any data which supported your claims for black and white IQ differences, so I am a bit sceptical about the rest too.
@Felinegirl Ok well this conversation isn't going anywhere, your obviously only going to look up info that supports your point of view and will just accuse me of doing the same and then round we go in circles...
So, I will just leave you with this. It's a 12 part video series the worlds leading experts on this subject.
www.youtube.com/watch
Too many people mistake freedom of speech for freedom of criticism.
You do have a right to say what you want, without government censorship, but if you say something that is hateful or stupid, people have the right to call you out.
I'm all for freedom of speech but YouTube have the right to terminate any account for any reason. I don't blame them, no company wants an negactive connotations associated with them.
Haha hell yeah Nazi scum. She even has videos of how to spot Jews and other ridiculous videos.. But there's a rumour she's just trolling to see what people think of it.
YouTube is a private platform, they can do what they want and control in what sort of videos are in their site
She has the right to say what she want but YouTube is not obligated to provide a platform. They can terminate whoever they want. She can make her own website. That's freedom.
She should have the right to express her opinions as long as she doesn't hurt anyone.
Youtube is a business and that would hurt them more than not.
If she wants to sprout her opinions, then she should make her own website and call it NaziTube.
I don't agree with Nazi ideals but it was wrong of Youtube to terminate her account. freedom of speech. I don't believe in this "if you can't say anything nice don't say anything at all" nonsense.
The first amendment only relates to government censorship. YouTube had every right to kick her out.
It simply means that you and I can publicly disagree with the government without being jailed.
@TheWaterBear they are a private enterprise so I agree, I was talking about it in principal.
Yes, even if we don't like it they are allowed to see it no matter how ignorant it is. But all in all YouTube is privately owned so they can delete her account if it violates terms of service.
Everyone who voted in favour of censorship should back their bags and move to North Korea. They would be more at home there.
Good on them. Youtube has not obligation to help spread her hateful views on their website.
She has freedom of speech, and should've been allowed on Youtube. She is not free from criticism though
Technically the channel did violate TOS so yes YouTube was in the right. Same thing on internet forums, like gag, if you post something that breaks the TOS, it can be removed.
her entry starts at1:24
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jR6exd-C0jEWell I agree with your sentiment that youtube is a private company, and that is really all there is to it.
But what makes me the saddest on this story, is that leafy didn't get taken down too.