A Nazi-supporting YouTuber had her channel terminated. Was this right on YouTube's part?

[RainbowFanGirl]

Evalion is a young, pretty girl, sure, but her views on certain topics were very extreme. For example, she made videos throwing a birthday party for Hitler, defended what the Nazis did to the Jews, and even made a video about how to identify a Jew! She admits to hating all sorts of groups of people and would make videos bashing them, and would defend her right to say these things under our right to free speech.

A big YouTuber called Leafyishere found her videos and called her out for being hateful, and the video got millions of views. In the end her entire channel was taken down for hate speech.

Here's my view on the whole thing. While people in America and other countries have the right to say whatever they want about anything, despite whether or not people like it or not, YouTube is a privately owned business, and as soon as you make an account, you are agreeing with their Terms of Service. If they want to remove your account for hate speech, they can do that. That's how private businesses function.

What's your view on the thing, G@Gers?

Yes, she should have been terminated. Good on YouTube for doing so.

No, she shouldn't have been terminated. It's censorship!

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Here is Leafy's other video on her: https://youtu.be/miQYoLc-Osg

[Deathraider]

On the one hand, she did have views that I don't agree with, but on the other hand, is that really a justification for terminating her account. While I'm completely against Nazism, I do not agree with the methods used. Opinions that are viewed as being wrong should be argued against, and censorship is just the easy route out. If censorship was allowed, then how are we better than them? And the term hate speech is applied to whatever speech offends someone, which offense is subjective.

While the site is owned by a company and they could do that if they wanted to, in my view, they ought not do that because YouTube should be a neutral platform on any political issues.

[Waffles731]

She broke youtubes terms of service and she was a horrific person

[Waffles731]

thanks for mho

[RainbowFanGirl]

No problem.

[lumos]

Yes it was right of youtube to take down her channel.
Freedom of speech does not give you the right to hate speech. Your rights end where other people's rights begin. And if you start making hateful and threatening statements towards certain groups of people, then you're violating their rights. And that's not legal.
Youtube has the right to filter out content that doesn't match with their site policies.

[Luci92]

Leafy's rants on her are hilarious.
While I personally strongly disagree with her, freedom of speech is a thing, and as long as she's not hurting someone, then she can say what she likes.
However, I agree with you, Youtube certainly has the right to terminate her account for hate speech if they see fit.

[CheerGirl38139]

I'm interested to hear what GaG users will say on this matter.

That term "free speach" gets thrown around a lot here.

I'll leave it at that for now. ✌

[RainbowFanGirl]

Yep. They also seem to forget that G@G is also a privately owned business and that you're not allowed to say that bs here either because your account will be banned.

[EllieLexis513]

If she violated their terms of service, then yes. You can't just break rules and shout 'Freedom of Speech!' and that makes you automatically right.

[Mustachekitteh]

If she's only saying it then I don't see the issue because you can just avoid her if she upsets you too much. Though if she's lashing out at the people she's talking bad about then that's when it's not cool.

[Soteris]

Youtube is a private company so they have the right to suspend the accounts of any user for whatever reason really. That said she also had a fairly negative impact on the community and possibly could contribute to human harm or discrimination which is illegal.

I think there is enough basis to suspend her account even if you put aside that they simply have the right to chose who they allow and dont from the start.

[FakeName123]

Sounds like good entertainment.

Franky, I think she should be able to express that how much she wants as long as she doesn't call out for nor practice violence.
That being said, youtube is a business and company that can make their own decisions. If they don't want something like that it's their good right to close her account. If she doesn't like it she will have to upload her videos elsewhere.

[RainbowFanGirl]

Exactly my views on this situation.

[FakeName123]

Also I just saw that Leafyishere called her out. Remember him being a giant douchebag so not surprised he got his butt hurt and had to send his followers after it.

[TheWaterBear]

I agree with you. She has a first amendment right to go out on a street corner and yell all she wants, but YouTube is a private business. It would be like going into a restaurant and ranting... They would have the right to throw her out.

[TheWaterBear]

The first amendment only protects against GOVERNMENT censorship.

[RainbowFanGirl]

Thank you, and right. People seem to forget that.

[TakeMaker]

If she wants a platform to spout her bullshit from she can make her own, the fucked up little turd that she is. Her parents should be ashamed of themselves.

[OpenWine]

Yeah I watched that oh my god no can u people just don't care about that stuff. If someone says something stupid, it's for entertainment. If someone is for hitler, or trump or the shit that is going on in turkey right now then that's their stuff. If youtube feels offended about it well then it's their own decision cause it's their territory

[dogbert444]

Preaching stuff like this is akin to ISIL spewing out their hateful beliefs!

It has no place in the 21st century. ... or at any other time.

They should also take down the videos uploaded by the now convicted Anjem Choudary!

[SarahsSummer]

That's such a sad case of child abuse. I'm glad she was terminated.

[NotTheFBI]

She broke Youtube's 'Terms of Service' once she started down that road when it comes to 'offensive & or hate speech'. So yes, youtube took the right action. However there are even bigger youtubers who do this shit in a different way and seem to get away with it every single day and call it 'entertainment'.

[Phanta]

Although I enjoyed her channel I objected to some of her hateful statements. I agree that she should have been terminated because of those statements. Other than that I agreed with most everything she said. She now has a video channel on BitChute. It is called: Stay Sane. Her views have changed quite a bit.

[chc0009]

Yes, she deserved it. She's only physically beautiful, but if she's going to spread hatred of darker-skinned folks, then I have no sympathy for her.

[RainbowFanGirl]

Yeah. She hates black people.

[chc0009]

Well, too bad for her then, since black track runners outpaced the steroid-induced Nazi runners during the Berlin Olympics; Hitler's games.

[meowcow]

YouTube was certainly correct in terminating her account. While you are free to say anything you want within legal bounds, she is using YouTube's platform. YouTube has complete authority in deciding what a user can and cannot do, when they use their platform. By terminating her account, YouTube is not censoring her or stopping her from saying what she wants. She's completely free to stand in the streets and yell all the pro-Nazi stuff she wants. She just won't be doing it on YouTube.

[somebodysaycheese]

No. Youtube should be deleting a lot of channels for basically spreading hate and calling for genocide i. e freeleebannana girl. And if a privately owned business essentially can terminate a channel based on their beleifs i think we can kinda see the hypocrisy in that as a society.

[rgb008]

Blatant racism and anti-semitism is worse than a vegan making click bait videos and saying shit for attention and that ad sense money.

[somebodysaycheese]

@rgb008 that girl has said meat eaters should die. My point is youtube shouldn't pick and choose when they should delete a channel.

[rgb008]

She said that because she was at the point where her channel was gaining more and more views. She knew if she said something outrageous, she would get attention and more views and subscribers. She has said in later videos she doesn't really believe that.
YouTube did the right thing, "meat eater" and "vegan" are not identities that are as 'controversial' as religion or race.

[somebodysaycheese]

@rgb008. I think you think im siding with this girl who got banned im not. Im not down with nazi supporters.
Im just pointing out how youtube won't delete channels that spew hate who happen to make the company money. To me its hypocritical. if your going to be "ethical" with one channel do that with all channels even the big ones.

[matheus_mb]

Freedom of speech means that you can say whatever you want, it's not a surprise for us that the nazi ideology still stands, even though just a small group of people still defend it. I don't think that what she says would influence many people and I wouldn't consider her channel a major threat.

But youtube does have terms of service, so I agree with you, if she did anything against those terms (which is very likely) the channel should've been deleted.

[genericname85]

freedom of speech doesn´t mean that you can say "whatever you want". it´s limited by harm- and offense principle as well as other conflicting laws.

[matheus_mb]

@genericname85 I think that sometimes freedom means that you have to offend, but it doesn't mean that freedom doesn't have consequences. The more free we are (or we're allowed to be) the more we should be careful with the consequences of it.

[genericname85]

depends on what you mean by "offend" as in "hurting" people, yeah that´s sometimes necessary but not as in "insulting". we are never free. we are always limited. freedom is just an "idea" that has no root in reality.

[matheus_mb]

@genericname85 When I say offend I mean only with words.

And I agree with you on that, we're never really free. Even if we are, we aren't, many times we have to measure our actions to keep the "balance" of things even if the law allows it (whatever it is). Laws are also made to limit our freedom. Too much freedom can turn things into chaos because each one will use it differently. Therefore, it needs to be regulated and enforced.

However, in our westen world in matters of speech we can say many things, criticize our government and authorities, spread ideologies and conspiracy theories... I don't see a nazi ideology as being much different than that, principally because most people reject just the thought of it, the consequences of it are already known.

[genericname85]

well being national socialist isn´t inherently bad by any means. it just means that you give less shit for international affairs and focus more on your own country. you should be able to speak your opinion on that political point of view...

though being a racist who is in favor of the killing of others, is criminal and should not be condoned.

[matheus_mb]

@genericname85 But now I ask you. Speaking of killing is a crime? Just the action of killing is or the attempt of it. I haven't seen anyone being imprisioned because they threatened somebody, only preventive measures are taken, at least where I live this is how it works.

If a certain ideology that preaches killing is starting to have more attention from people than it should, then agree that it should be fought and stopped before it's too late.

[genericname85]

i see ^^ well try calling a random number in the phone book and tell them that you want them dead. lets see how long it takes, till the cops knock at your door :D

wanting all jews dead isn´t that far from it... technically you´re not directly threatening anybody but supporting an idiology that wants people dead is still illegal. that´s what hatespeech is.

[larosie]

There is nothing wrong with expressing an opinion but if it is said to offend others else then it shouldn't be allowed. I think that the remarks about identifying a jew were too much, but the birthday party for Hitler, although super weird and creepy, is her prerogative. I certainly won't be celebrating Hitlers birthday any time soon lol.

[Hans222]

Absolutely A... I can't imagine how a young girl could think like that :o
But she should indeed not be allowed to spread such ideas. Jesus... :-(

[Blonde401]

Apparently she's a troll. I don't agree with censorship but if you're adding nothing to society other than hatred, whats the point?

[Anonymous]

Anyone who says yes is actual supporting natzi behavior in itself. Your promoting censorship of free speech and PC talk. We live in a world where you are restricted in what you can say and now you can't speak your mine. Soon this can apply to what jobs you can get and what clothes your aloud to wear.

WAKE THE FUCK UP PEOPLE.

[RainbowFanGirl]

YouTube is a private business. Free speech laws only protect from Goverment censorship.

[Opinion Owner]

Doesn't matter. It's still censorship of what people can say and borderlines with natzi behavior of censorship of free speech (ironically). In short more and more people rights are being taken away and rather than protesting people are going along with it willingly.

[QuestionMan]

YouTube has specific rules that all uploaders must abide by. If you don't your account is terminated.

I don't think it should've been terminated because it gave me a good laugh on how stupid she really is. That and racist have the right to be racist so long as they don't harm anyone.

[Thatguy321]

It wasn't until I saw American History X that I found out we still had nazi. Its sad of these people to harbor so much hate towards a group of people. I can somewhat understand if a person has had a LOT of situations with a group of people they may develop hate. Which still isn't right. But I don't get how hate for these groups of people can still exist today.. What have they done today that truly ruined your existence?

[Thatguy321]

Ahhh broke my rule of proof reading before submit -_- sorry if its unclear