I look at things from an unbiased perspective. Also, I read the actual police reports instead of major media outlets who push an agenda. I don't think this is a race thing, and I hate that the media likes to pin law enforcement against black and Latino communities. It only hurts the issue at hand and creates a racial divide. Anytime I say this, people tell me I'm racist. The thing is- I actually want blacks to prosper in society more than most people given that I work as a reserve sheriffs deputy in a predominantly latino/black neighborhood. Blacks were treated like absolute crap by the American people for a long period of our history with slavery and the Jim Crow era. I think that we're starting to see a shift as blacks are now given equal opportunity to succeed in this country. Let's not hinder the progress by creating a racial divide and making every issue in this country a race issue.
Here's what I believe that happened. I think that there was a huge issue with robbery and burglary in the neighborhood, and these people wanted to help. They see a man sprinting away from an area in which this has been going on and wanted to be good people and stop what was going on. Having said that, even with the best intentions, they handled it incorrectly. They didn't approach the situation with tact. The ex cop forgot that he's not in uniform anymore. When you approach someone yelling from a pickup truck saying to stop and we want to talk to you with guns hanging out the window, then you're a threat. I think this put the man in a fight or flight mode, and he chose to fight thinking they were a threat to his life. I think one thing led to another, and things spun out of control very quickly.
In the video, the man is clearly trying to grab their gun, and that calls for lethal force. If you grab anyone's gun attempting to disarm them, then that other person is forced to use lethal force unless they want to get killed by their own gun. The dad in my opinion, was attempting to protect his son in a life or death situation. Had he not been shot, that man would have disarmed his son, and most likely killed him.
I don't have footage of the video that shows the events leading up to the combative situation. All we have footage of is the combat. What if they approached him and just asked to talk and Armaud became combative and hostile right off the bat? Then they had him dead to rights to shoot him. Who knows what happened? All we can do is formulate a rational perspective based on the information presented.
I think the situation was handled poorly, and they should have approached it with much more tact and thought things through. They should have subtly trailed him and waited for police to get him. Or at least conceal their weapons and talked to him face to face instead of screaming at him. I think the situation spun out of control quickly, and I think they're going to have nightmares of that day for the rest of their life. I don't think it's cold-blooded murder. A very very small percentage of the worlds population get off on taking someone's life. It's an extremely traumatic thing to have to invoke or witness. It's ugly and very unpleasant.
I disagree with the murder charges, and feel as if it should be reduced to manslaughter.
Lemme just start by saying that I don't know a ton about this situation. I know is what news reports have told me.
Now, having said that: here are my thoughts.
1. The incident took place in February, and we're only hearing about it now. I find this fact strange. Even stranger is that someone happened to have a video camera rolling, and the footage shows enough to look incriminating as hell, but doesn't show the actual shooting. This story comes to the national light right after Joey B. gets caught sexually harassing women. That timing sounds hella sketchy to me.
2. The police couldn't decide if they should charge the men who did the shooting, which would also be hella sketchy, the older man wasn't an "Officer of the Court." That video should be enough for the cops to know that some criminal nonsense was happening.
3. This dude dies in an alleged hate crime in pre-outbreak, racially charged America, and there is seriously so little information to read about this story that part of me honestly wonders if Armaud actually died.
The fact that I'm no longer surprised by these events is what's really sad. Desensitization to the killing of black people is becoming a norm. The fact that this happened in February and it is just now gaining attention is disgusting. These men have gotten to sit comfortably for over 2 months after killing someone. Someone that they decided was guilty for let's face it, the color of his skin. He was minding his business, just like Trayvon Martin was minding his business and these two men painted him as a criminal based off him being a black man. And the man recording was also in on it. America is a shitshow. This ain't no land of the free. Black people ain't free here. Period.
Its ridiculous i dont really know the ins or outs of this case i just caught a bit on the news. But there is absolutely no power on earth that gives you the right to gun down anyone. May he or she be green or a fucking polka dot color. I am white but mix within European countries i do not understand this racist crap that America runs on. I was married to an African from Kenya and i was the only white woman in a small vilage just outside of Mombasa. And they treated me with love as one of their own. Why can't people just look past the fucking color of their skin. We all bleed red dont we?
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Unfuckingbelievable. AGAIN.
Also, not for nothing, EVEN IF this dude was sprinting away with their TV, and EVEN IF he posed some sort of physical threat short of producing his own deadly weapon, that’s absolutely insane that anyone would consider that grounds to kill somebody. That is just a BANANAS mentality we have in this country. I don’t mean to downplay the probable racial prejudice that was involved, but I more just say that to say “are these really justifiable reasons to kill someone?”, that’s the mindset these people are walking around with everyday? “Somebody stole from me. So now I will kill them and that’s totally cool and rational.” That is a FUCKED mentality.
So you have these locked and loaded hardos out here who CAN’T WAIT to shoot somebody and get away with it, and thump their chest about “muh self-defense” afterwards, and +1,000,000 points if it was a black dude, fuckin’ fantasy camp, they’ll jack off to that memory for life, a lot of them. I don’t want to go too overboard with generalizing, I guess that’s no better than the “well, what about Chicago?” crowd, but fuck, man, I’ve seen these too many times for too many years.
Just a quick note to counter all the repeated lies on here; especially the stupid meme that says he was wearing boots (I expect that will now have been "just a joke"). The video of the victim in the construction site clearly shows him wearing running shoes, and just looking around, not taking anything.
The owner said there hadn't been any burglaries, that nothing was taken, and, tellingly, that they probably won't move into the property because they've received death threats.
There were NO burglaries reported in the area, in the weeks leading up to the murder, as the murderers claimed:
"USA TODAY filed an open public records request with the Glynn County Police Department for burglaries and home break-ins in the Satilla Shores neighborhood between Jan. 1 and Feb. 23. The department's records office said in an email Thursday it had no records matching that request."
https://eu.usatoday.com/story/news/2020/05/07/ahmaud-arbery-shooting-video-prosecutor-arrest-mcmichael/3089040001/
https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2020/05/09/georgia-attorney-general-investigate-local-officials-handling-ahmaud-arberys-murder/
I hope there will be many convictions, not just for murder, but also obstruction of justice or even accessory after the fact. I won't hold my breath, though, if the jury is of their "peers".
It's not a hate crime just cause a black guy is shot. It's only a hate crime if the person did it because of there color.
But it's not a hate crime to kill a guy who is black for any other reason even if the reason is i killed him for the fun of it. That is not a hate crime.
that's just a guy killing.
Also if a guy is running away resisting arrest you can shoot if you tell them to stop otherwise you can shoot.
And i ain't gonna complain when a criminal gets killed you can if you want but still i ain't gonna.
Assuming he is a criminal from what others have posted articles of down below.
It should not have happened but the killers won’t be punished because one of them worked for the DA. I’ve read a claim for justification that the shooter was justified because Arbery grabbed the shotgun which can turn turn into a lethal struggle for both parties, but they shouldn’t have went after him in the first place. Merely matching a description doesn’t exactly scream reasonable proof or whatever to me. Hell, I bet that all they heard from the description was “(height) black male” and just went out and went after the next black man they saw.
What was he smoking dust? What did he think would happen when he physically attacked someone that was holding a gun and tried to take it from them? That’s one dumb motherfucker… He had no street smarts whatsoever. When you initiate a physical attack and give someone reason to fear for their life (i. e try to grab a gun) stand your ground laws instantly come into effect. As to the details that lead up to that supposed “citizens arrest” that’s probably questionable. They were obviously on the phone with the police at the time they were following him. I don’t know when the actual crime occurred or if he was involved. If he hadn’t done anything wrong and just kept his cool the guys that chased him down would have been legally accountable and would spend 5 years in jail for pointing a loaded weapon at him. Instead he went full retard and got removed from the gene pool. You can’t fix stupid.
I think people's instinct is always to side with the victim and that's due to how we were raised.
We always believe that there is good and there is evil and only evil men do evil and good men so good. Sure we outgrow this childish way of thinking eventually but it never goes away.
The reality is he wasn't killed because he's black. Him being black in that neighborhood combined with a thousand other factor lead to the misunderstanding that then lead to his killing. It wasn't a hate crime the one who shot him truly believed he was doing the right thing and that's often how shootings go. I'm not saying he shouldn't be charged but I'm saying he shouldn't be condemned by everyone around the world. This wasn't premeditated. It wasn't racist. It wasn't a conspiracy agaisnt black people. This was an incident that happenes all the time and NON of us here know the full picture
Granted I didn’t see the video depicting it but I heard that they were actually fighting over the gun and Armaud accidentally shot himself with it in the middle of that struggle.
I think those guys were father and son cops who were looking for suspects for a break in from what the owner of the broken into house described the robber as being African American and they just wanted to ask Armaud a question because they saw him as a potential suspect and he got defensive. Based on that, I can’t really say this is based on racial profiling (not with malicious intent anyway) because I’m sure if the robber was described as white they would be looking for white people.
I think justice should indeed be served. I just personally don't believe in spending my anger and time on black men as they don't spend their anger and time on black women.
Hopefully they sort it out themselves. I guess this is an unpopular opinion, but whatever.
It's disgusting. Period. The racism and hate crimes against black people needs to end. Innocent people are being killed and for what? what do they gain from killing an innocent person? do they think they're doing something for society by doing it? All they're doing is proving that white men are the crazy ones, killing innocent people and hurting families and communities.
Boy, is this going to trigger (and identify) the bigots here? Make note because they'll cry like babies if you call them out later.
He already got his justice.
His name even sounds like, "Armed robbery" lol.
An American tragedy. Whether it was profiling or vigilantes. Would they have reacted the same if he was white? I think not. Especially, since profiling and discrimination still exists. On the surface, it makes them not just murderers but racist murderers. To be fair. It is a systemic problem all 3 men were caught in. Charges should be reduced to manslaughter. And discrimination finally needs the death penalty.
Although think the McMichaels are idiots, do deserve life in prison and will get it, based on what's been reported so far I think it's a mistake to see this as a race-based hate crime.
As a regular jogger myself, I can certainly put myself in his shoes and definitely wouldn't take two armed men who cut me off as just wanting to talk.
This was infuriating. People in my neighborhood walk, ride their bike, and take jogs all the time. Now I'm shaking and thinking about never taking a walk in my neighborhood again. And the audacity of them to say they thought he was a "burglar"... really? smh society is just fucked man. Hopefully something comes from this. Funny how people have all this energy to protest so they can get a haircut, but don't have that same energy for a hate crime.
The man and his son both deserve the electric chair.
Weren't they arrested and charged for murder?
I think it's pretty terrible. They said he fit a description of a guy who had been breaking into houses in that area. They were trying to make a citizen's arrest. But isn't vigilantism illegal?
The perpetrators walking free for over 2 months after killing him is what I like to call insult over injury. Crime is bad, but a blatant miscarriages of justice on top of that only makes things significantly worse.
Young one, you are in the wrong forum.
https://www.youtube.com/embed/ZncGCCZzMkI
Whether Arbery was a robber or not really doesn't matter anymore, shooting a man in the middle of the street in broad daylight is f*cking disgusting behaviour. I truly hope those two men who shot him get the worst punishment imaginable for the crime.
I will absolutely say that the situation is absolutely disgusting. I demand that justice be served instantly. This said, I do not think to promote some supremacy and racism is NOT the answer. I hope we use this opportunity to better as a society. I don't think one bad apple represents an entire race...
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