If you saw a woman being raped, would you just film it or do something about it?

[Arivor]

Everyone on train filming woman being raped, no one called 911 why? What in the hell is wrong with these people?

I would call 911 and report it.

I would knock that piece of c*rap out and then call 911.

Well, you know this is going viral and I really need to up my viewer count...

[tatianamay]

Beat the fuck out of him. Wtf? People are so inhumane. Rape is DISGUSTING! The fucker who committed this felony must rot in the fucking prison until he's 80 and old with no kids, grandkids. Just some old bitter man.

[Arivor]

If it was happening to you... at that point in time, would you really think it inhumane if someone were to pull him off you and beat the living shit out of him? Do you really think you would be all upset at that person for being so inhumane to your attacker? What do you think you would be doing? Cussing out the guy who stopped you from getting rapped? Let's be real here, You would join in by starting to kick the shit out your attempted rapist.

[tatianamay]

Umm no, the people here, FILMED it instead of actually doing something. If I were there, I’d beat the fuck outta him and NOT film that

[tatianamay]

I was talking about the people who did NOTHING when the girl was getting raped. THAT is inhumane. Im not talking about beating the dude, I’m talking about filming it, instead of doing nothing. Beating fuckers like him is NOT inhumane.

[tatianamay]

Instead of beating him*

[Blackcupcake]

@arivor I think you've misinterpreted what she said in her opinion...

[Blackcupcake]

@Arivor she meant beat the fuck out of him as in, that's what the rapist deserves to be done to him

[Arivor]

@Blackcupcake @tatianamay Ok, that makes more sense.

[Agape93]

None of the above. I'd execute him on the spot, then call 911. Lethal force is justified in my state when protecting yourself or others from a violent felony, such as rape.

[Arivor]

Yeah, I strongly agree with you and actually have some very "radical" ideas (for a lack of a better phrase) that run close to how you think. I'm just glad to hear you say that and, for me, not to have to say it out bluntly. Thank you for that!

[Agape93]

Anytime, I'm glad to finally have a response that isn't about fairness and other sentimental crap. If someone acts Iike an animal, they'll be put down like one.

[Miristheiss]

Yes, I always carry a knife.
I'd be tempted to just come up and stab it right into his eye or slit his throat. I know I'd do that if it were a loved one... I'd torture them... if it were a stranger I don't know if I'd just come up and kick him as hard as I could right in his face and then choke him unconscious or cut him... possibly fatally.

[Agape93]

You're nicer than I am

[Arivor]

@Agape93 Ok, like I'm going to tell you some of my "radical ideas" on how to put a stop to this BS. It's just that I generally get a lot of heat from idiots who refuse to take this seriously. The first thing we need to change is how we view these know and widely used methods of war and realize that is exactly what we are fighting in, a fucking war.

I believe that it is the duty of everyone who is a target of rape, that they remove that threat from being able to hurt anyone else, their sisters, hell even me! Every woman should carry and know how to use a pistol and know this one fact... When you pull that pistol out, it should be one swift, continuous move where you empty that pistol into every part of your attacker. Thank you for your service.

[Agape93]

Agreed. I'm fully in favor of skinning them alive and nailing them to poles until they die of exposure, infection or animal attack. I have 0 empathy for vermin, and I rather enjoy the notion of them suffering before they die. But I'm willing to compromise with shooting them or stabbing them to death.

[Arivor]

Well, ok... skinning them and stabbing them to death, is just not something that most are capable of doing. Caring a pistol and never brandishing it... you pull it, you shoot it. It is a bit to easy for someone who knows what they are doing to take a knife away from you or that pistol if you even hesitate a freaking second. You seriously don't want to have your weapon used against you. I'm seriously advising every woman to carry a pistol. Think of the implications of having them know you are packing and just the thought making them hesitate.

[Stargazer900]

You guys do know you go to to prison for 15 years if you kill the rapist right, makes me question if you would actually do it in real life or just a big talker.

[Stargazer900]

Oh, didn’t read the part where you said it’s legal in your state.

[Agape93]

Fail.

[Celtero]

Dunno man. An interesting story for sure. I'm usually trying to fight the instinct that tells me I need to save a damsel in distress, since often times playing the hero turns out poorly, with the woman turning on the savior if the perpetrator is her boyfriend.

I also feel like our society is in a state where it has more empathy for the criminal than it does for the law-abiding citizen. I could kill the rapist and then get thrown in jail for murdering him. And it's often women who have these bleeding-heart attitudes. "Poor misunderstood criminals, we just need to show them compassion and they'll turn into people like us." Public transportation is a shitshow. My bus station is a hub for the homeless. It reeks of piss, weed, and cigarettes, and there's more vagrants than there are commuters. If it was up to me they'd all get a club to the back of the head until the station was nice and clean again. But noo, apparently it's fine to let all these junkies and schizos hang around public places and use facilities paid for by our tax subsidies, public safety be damned.

So to answer your question... Sure, I'd do something about it, but not to save the woman, I couldn't give a damn about the woman. I don't really think the average woman deserves to be saved, and I don't really see anything in it for me. But I have a desire for violence, and the assailant's actions would be a good justification for me to enact my desires on him.

And here's the thing about the story... I doubt we're getting the full picture. Maybe the "bystanders" were actually the assailant's friends. Maybe the victim and the assailant knew each other so the bystanders thought it was consensual. Maybe it was between two hobos so nobody gave a shit.

In case why you don't get why I don't want to help the woman... Our society is practically begging for things like this to happen. Dude is already a homeless sex offender, he's supposed to be deported but a judge withheld it. And you know what? He's probably going to get out of jail and commit more crimes. Then maybe he'll pull a gun on a cop and the cop will shoot him, and then we'll have more "peaceful protests" for this martyr and he'll be immortalized in statues, Saint Fiston Ngoy's statue can be right next to Saint George Floyd's. But as I was saying... as long as we're cool with criminals and crime, as long as we're cool with judges giving criminals a slap on the wrist, as long as we're cool with letting transients invade public places... People get what they deserve. This isn't MY system, it's not MY job to fix or clean up after things. You people want it this way, so why should I prevent you from reaping the "reward"?

[Arivor]

Simple personal satisfaction. Like you said, I don't know this chick from Eve and honestly, it could be some boy he was doing that to. It is simply like this, I would hope to hell that someone would stop that person if I was the victim and in that regard how can I possibly justify not stopping someone from doing it to anyone else?

Look, this whole BS crap about not knowing the full story... it is all on video, and unfortunately, it has been recorded in every possible angle that it could be filmed. The dude is homeless, he has no damn friends... Did you read his statement that he gave the police? Let's just say, "Anything you say can and will be used against you." and they will.

I get that you have your on philosophy that you follow In your life. I'm totally cool with that. We all think and act differently, it is what makes us interesting. Hell, if I saw you in trouble, I would help you out. My reward is a simple ego boost, for just feeling good about me, Since I was able to help someone out I don't need anyone else to recognize when I do good for others... I prefer to enjoy that pleasure by myself.

[Celtero]

I don't think that the video has been released to the public yet as far as I can tell.

Things are very strange on public transportation. I remember a video of a guy turning the tables on an armed robber and people were berating him for making things worse. So perhaps people just want to get where they're going with the least amount of trouble and they don't care about what's going on around them.

And homeless people definitely have friends... other homeless and drifters. They date each other as well, that's why I think there's the possibility of the victim and perpetrator being in a relationship, making people less likely to intervene. So while I don't think the case that the bystanders were just bystanders is impossible, I think it's more likely there was something wrong with them or the encounter was interpreted as being consensual.

I enjoy that we can admit to the real reasons why we'd play the hero... most people would self-righteously go on about how it's the right thing to do and blather on about obligations toward one another...

[lilyanony1]

I'd like to think that my fight instinct would kick in. But having been sexually assaulted on the train myself, having a man also flash me on the train, I was also being followed, I have found myself frozen, or in such shock I ran off, our if fear for being late for work just kept moving carriages until I lost him.

I'm older now and nothing like that's happened since but it was frightening. The saddest thing is other men didn't do a thing, even on a occasion when some drunk guy was shouting abuse at me on the way home.

The day I was pressed up against the glass whilst this guy started grinding his junk on me it was actually a woman that was alerted to my fear and his behaviour and she shouted at him. He then ran off.


London is such a bizarre and busy over crowded city things like this happen.
And out of fear people don't bat an eyelid and that's why predators like cities.
The footage if it happened like it shows, shame on those people.
I'm utterly disgusted that instead of calling the police they filmed it. Fine one person filmed for evidence but there were so many of them. They could have saved her and administered a citizen arrest.

Unfortunately we have been conditioned to be so cold. This is a clear sign that we are losing humanity. 🥺

[Arivor]

I am truly sorry that you have had to go through that. But these are things that need to be told, and thank you for doing so. I know it is difficult to even have to go over it again. I hope it will help motivate someone to act when needed.

[FunkyMonkee]

Yeah, same here!! You SHOULDN'T have to be forced to deal with that shit!!
A few years ago, I heard about a bunch of girls being raped at a local university campus. They'd go out to bars and then over to their dorm rooms around 1 to 3 a. m. and quite a few were getting raped by guys that followed them home or what have you and I just wished I could've done something like, start an escort service to see to it they got home safely every night.

[Arivor]

@JamesRandiDebates Let me guess, you are not very popular with women... not that you would appear to care about or are interested in women at all. Since, you just dug your own grave with that comment.

[lilyanony1]

@Arivor unfortunately there are a lot of attention seekers here. They make comments to garner attention however they can.
On platforms like this usually saying hurtful and controversial things do the trick.
I don't have the time nor the patience.

[Dragonpurple]

How I would respond would depend on what part I noticed what was going on.

If I got on the train and saw what was going on, I'd call 911 first... then confront the guy. This way if I get knocked out or am unable to call 911 later, at least they are on the way.

If I was on the train when it started, I would have told to him to leave her alone long before it got to that point. If he persisted and then ripped her pants down I would try to stop it right there.

No woman wants to have the guy inside her, raping her first and then pulled off.

Of course I have a unique history of having to shoot a guy in a parking lot, who was attacking a woman and all I did was shout HEY and he came at me, stabbed me and sliced me. I do believe if I had not been carrying that day I'd be dead now. Had I not shot him, he likely would of stabbed me dozens of times.

I do however wonder if the riders on this train were all male's, who thought... live action rape sex, I want to record this... I can't imagine a woman just ignoring it or recording it, but anything is possible.

Even if someone is afraid of getting hurt, call 911... go farther away to call if your worried about the attacker over hearing you. Do something.

Where I live, a guy saw a teenage girl being gang raped by a group of teenage boys and he drove against oncoming traffic up the wrong side of the road, to stop it. He saved her but then he got charged with endangering all the other people on the road for his actions.

Lets just say, the public outrage caused those charges to be dropped, the girl and her family were very grateful for his courage.

[ChrisMaster69]

I thought this was one of those situations people used as why Americans carried guns?

Whats terrible about this and some of the Blue answers, is this could have been One of their wives, mothers, daughters sisters.

Obviously some people don’t care if their own family members get raped, I wonder if they have told family members this fact?

Where I live, I’ve seen a guy beaten up after been told to stop taking photos of girls, this type of thing would likely have ended up with the rapist severely beaten.

[whirled_up_girl]

Uh, yeah. My parents always encouraged me to carry a weapon with me like a pocket knife or pepper spray, they used to say "the only person you can ever depend on is yourself". I think they assumed their isn't usually bystanders like this who could call the police, and as I mentioned in another post that is what people in my town did after something like this happened outside of a downtown bar. I don't know, though after seeing this article and others like it and reading some of the blue posters on here, I'm kind of thinking, maybe I should carry a gun?

[t-8900]

Every woman should know how to operate a double action revolver as a bare minimum. An armed woman is the most empowered woman

[Sonorous]

To aid in any needed future investigation or search if he gets away, I'd have someone else film him while I go over and help stop him. But in case he has a weapon, I'd wanna jump on him quick &/or be very strategic or ruthless with my attack if I felt that he could potentially outmatch me in strength or vantage. So yeah, I'd film it while attempting to do something about it.

[Sonorous]

Oh & of course, I'd be shouting call 911 as I beat him up 🤣

[Arivor]

I'm sorry @Sonorous and not having a clue what you are representing yourself to be with your name... I'm like if you even care where mine comes from... it is actually a bit practical, and it was my father who also used it. But, I digress… Here is the real thing... I think it would be best if we could discourage this from occurring at all.

Everyone is so focused on what will occur after this BS happens... I am more interested in making sure that it does not occur at all. Is there anyone out there that objects to stopping someone being raped... before it even occurs? I doubt that anyone other than those who intend to rape someone would have a problem with that concept.

The only way that I can easily see this to actually occur, is for every woman to know how to use and carry a pistol... With the simple knowledge, that when you pull that pistol, you instantly empty it out into your attacker. That is all that would be needed to give them a reason to hesitate.

[Sonorous]

What about the women not legally able to carry guns? Like if they aren't mentally fit enough for it?

[Arivor]

You are making me wonder just why are so scared of women... that you may... perhaps feel only comfortable with them under threat or bound by you? I think you best need to turn yourself in to the nearest mental health facility and request to be chemically castrated.

[Sonorous]

My question is not limited to a single gender. And I'm not even going to try to defend myself against your unfounded assumptions.

[Aurora1010]

Wtf... This has to be the most stupid generation ever.

[Arivor]

I wish I could argue against that, but I'm finding it hard to contradict you...

[jshm2]

Join in? Lets see them try to escape now!

But joking aside, there is always more to these than is reported. People do some crazy shit to each other for kicks. We won't know what the relationship was between the pair and whether he had a weapon/accomplices or whatever, until the court case.

[Arivor]

This all lasted for 40 minutes, with the last six minutes having him rip her pants of and raping her... These people were just filming the entire thing and did nothing... I'm sorry, I can almost understand their complacency, until he ripped her pants off and started to rape her. After that, it was nothing but pure gross negligence.

[Shizunk]

I would like to think I would intervene immediately. Real life experience with other incidents says I would freeze and observe for a while, trying to decide if it's really bad enough for me to go in without risking a misunderstanding. Once someone is on the ground with her clothing getting ripped off, I am pretty sure I would be confronting the attacker at that point.

[FunkyMonkee]

Had I been on that train, I would kicked that motherfucker right in the chin!!! Then I would've pitched a major bitch at all those fucking ignorant losers on the train that just fucking SAT THERE and WATCHED IT!!!

[FunkyMonkee]

SOMEBODY needs to take out the trash!!!

[MelaninQueen21]

What the world? Why would anyone who sees a woman being raped not do something about it? What if that was your sister? Your mother? Your friend? Your girlfriend?

I would yell at that person and try to do something about it, while on the phone with 911. This is disgusting and just unbelievable that people would just stand there, recording this disgusting and humiliating act! I'm just surprised by humanity, even when a disgusting and evil act is happening right in front of them!

[Elaktrato]

Well, to be quite honest... I would probably freeze for a few seconds, trying to compute what the hell is happening.
Then I'd try kicking them off and try to knock them unconscious and either get someone else to call the cops or call them myself.

But knowing my fighting prowess, I'd most likely end up being the one who's getting their face caved in.
At least I'd've stopped the attacker, though.

[FilmGuy93]

I'd like to think I would get the guy off her and then call the cops, but people freeze up in situations like that. Watching someone get raped is such a bizarre thing that I think most people were just in shock. Like "is this shit really happening right now?"

[SomeGuyCalledTom]

And this is why police exist. Love em or hate em, they'll actually DO something if a violent crime is happening right in front of them. Now, getting them to pull their finger out on a crime that's already in the past, good luck with that. But as emergency responders they're not afraid to get stuck in. The pure narcissism of someone who sees a rape and thinks "uh oh, better film it and do nothing to stop it" makes me sick, and it's a good reminder that the general public don't do shit.

[Blackcupcake]

of course I would do something about it!!
whatever I can in that moment, either hit him with the hardest object I can find or kick, bite, scratch and hopefully she's not too hurt so we can gang up on him

[IesusHominumSalvator]

It depends... if you have a gun, you can shoot and try to help.. but if i am disarmed and they are 10 blacks with machetes i would not risk my life for someone i don't know... Then if it's a familiar, wife, sister or someone i know, i must have to die protecting her no matter what.

[IAMNathanael]

Well hell. I certainly wouldn't record it! Right now I tell myself I would do something to help but in that moment things would be different.

While my brain tries to process what's happening I might freeze like a deer in the headlights.

[Tyme1313]

Neither, I don't care that much either way. Dude could be armed, not getting shot for her. What's more, filming it could be considered revenge porn and get you charged. 911 is about all I'd do.

[Rangers]

I like to think I'd take the opportunity to shoot the guy and he'll either think about that when he's behind bars or die

[Flower7]

Wow, it sounds like if a cop hadn’t just happened to walk in and see this, the guy would have completely gotten away with the crime.

[Dragonpurple]

It wasn't that the cop just walked in, a train employee saw her in distress from one of the stops and reported it. 3 minutes after that employee reported it, police showed up... anyone could of called 911 and the police would of been there that fast to stop it.

[Flower7]

Ok, I see. Yes, this could have been stopped a lot earlier if one of the passengers had called instead!

[TwistedSukuna]

As I said on another post about this: There are many reasons I carry a pocket knife, and this is one of them.