Putin wants to take Ukraine completely
British president Boris Johnson commented that the children of some Russian mothers will not be able to return home




You know, in the run-up to the American Revolution, there were many voices asking why the King didn't just give the colonists some seats in Parliament, so they could have the representation they wanted. George didn't, because his hold on the throne was very shaky (the Georges were Germans, not Englishmen, brought in to rule because the English royal line had been wiped out, and they were the closest surviving relatives), and the thought of negotiating with an armed mob would've been anathema to, say, Catherine the great (the German ruling Russia at the time) or Frederick the great (the German ruling Prussia at the time). Also, the thousand deaths from Breed's Hill were hard to ignore.
But suppose he'd powered through and done it anyway. With the main complaint resolved, the whole crisis would've fizzled away- there would still have been voices crying for independence, but they'd've been a distinct minority- and while the hold on the throne would've weakened, it would've pushed England towards a more democratic society and government (which is pretty much how they've wound up anyway; I don't think anyone can say the UK is in a monarchy in anything more than name). George the third could've wound up as a shining model of a ruler in line with Enlightenment ideals.
Putin could've done much the same. The geographical realities (the distance from Warsaw to Moscow is pretty much just a flat, open plain) mean that Russian leadership inherently has to be a bit saber-rattly, I don't deny it, but the man still clings to the ideas of the Brehznev Doctrine long after Russia's lost the capability to enforce them. Suppose, in 2014, he'd come forward- perhaps at the UN, perhaps at some other venue- and started a dialogue about Georgia. Many of those people saw themselves as culturally Russian, and wanted to be part of Russia. Trying to find a way to redraw border lines (and, let's not kid ourselves, see a return of Russian glory) WITHOUT bathing the land the in blood would've seen him rise as a new kind of leader, ready to accept the realities of building up your nation, rather than just building a mountain of skulls.
Instead, he simply invades. Then backstabs Ukraine, using freedom of movement granted by international treaties to position his troops to violate the Geneva Conventions (sorry, Vlad; sending your troops in wearing enemy uniforms is STILL a war crime) to seize Crimea. Now it's gearing up to happen again. Maybe we should just expand NATO to include Russia.
The U. S., Europe and NATO only have 2 real options:
A: Get some balls and stop Russia now with a united front and protect Ukraine and gain a new NATO member. We could stop them and make them realize the fight is not worth it before China and North Korea get involved.
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B: Let Russia take Ukraine. This would embolden Russia to push for more territory. This would also show China and North Korea that the West is weak. They might form an alliance and cause a new World War.
In the eyes of China and North Korea, they are probably just watching and calculating how the West will react. If these 2 nations see Russia can have their way with little real resistance (economic sanctions do not mean shit North Korea is proof of this) then they might feel emboldened to join Russia to take over the West. This would be a good strategic move as then China could defeat a weakened Russia after the West is destroyed, making China the rulers of the world. This nightmare can be avoided, or at least delayed, if the West acts NOW to stop Russia. Even if this does not stop them, we would have another country as an ally because Ukraine would then feel safe to join NATO. The only reason they have not joined yet is because they view America as weak, which we are under this idiot called Biden.
I could not give a shit about Ukraine! And if ONE US service man dies because of fucking Ukraine, when China is literally trying to destroy the entire economic engine of the US, I will be pissed! What’s worse is nobody except for the dickhead former president, nobody seems to give a fuck that china is trying to take over as the world reserve currency! I’m so fucking sick of news and politics.
We were in Afghanistan for the longest time and your former President pulled out of there if anything america will send troops to help nato not necessarily go 1v1 against Russia. If Americans do die well that will be on Russia not America. And I think we should not buy stuff from China but that won’t be possible because we buy everything from there. We need a better American economy and more workers to work
Question 1
@JohnK123 Nowhere in my post do I say YOU do not matter, so please do not mischaracterize what I wrote. I respect that you speak English as a second language, but not caring is the opposite of actively wanting harm to befall someone. Let me ask you, how many American cities should WE be willing to see vaporized? One? Two? TEN? So NY, DC, LA? They’ll be the first to go… Miami, Palm Beach, Las Vegas? They’ll be next! When one goes to war with a nuclear armed power, actual boots on the ground, shooting at each other and dying, WAR then one must be willing to lose a lot of cities, as well as the tens of millions of our mothers, fathers, daughters, brothers, our friends and family just gone! Not to mention the uncountable tens of millions of survivors who will endure untold suffering before they die of cancer! That is what America is being asked to willingly march into, and I do not care about YOUR border enough to watch my brother, or anybody’s brother march over there and die for it. I’m sorry but I just don’t. I love you, and I will keep you in my thoughts, but please do not expect me or any American girl to want to loose our brother’s and mother’s for you.
Question 3
@JohnK123 Everything you wrote in question 3 may be 100 percent accurate, but so? How does any of that obligate the US (in the middle of an economy crushing pandemic and subsequent supply chain issues) to go and fight and die for a sovereign country that has absolutely nothing to do with the United States. And anyone, especially our politicians, who advocate for US intervention should have their motivations investigated thoroughly! by the way, What happened to the Europe who vehemently protested US intervention in Afghanistan? Where are all the “USA IS AN ILLEGAL EMPIRE” signs now? Suddenly anti-interventionist Europe is all in favor of “the Yanks” coming over to save Europe for the THIRD time in about 100 years! Well, I’m just not interested in starting what could become a Global Thermonuclear War! And definitely not over a former Soviet state rejoining the Union! Look, why do you care what I think anyway? I’m just one person, a 19yo girl from America… a mere One Three hundred fifty millionth of the population. I’m literally nobody!
@JohnK123 No! I said the opposite, I literally said “ I love you, and I will keep you in my thoughts” because you falsely represented yourself as being a current Ukraine occupant by saying “Do WE not matter” so now you are clearly just trolling. I thank you for your input, and hope you have a wonderful evening.
I'm with her, if you are a sovereign nation, you can't expect someone else to die for you, that's not very ballsy
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@Tstrbrainer then what’s NATO? What’s UN? What’s EU?
True, but that doesn't mean young soldiers have to die for age old conflicts
@Tstrbrainer that’s life nowadays
you did not just say British president
prime minister
bojo is the prime minister
even if he shouldn't be
but anyway i hope somebody does something about it otherwise russia will just keep up this bullshit
rn its ukraine thats the victim of it but who knows whats next
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Russia sent almost its entire army to the border
*False, The Russians have over 3 million armed forces. They sent 100,000.
Putin wants to take Ukraine completely.
*Let him. We have no strategic interest in Ukraine, except Hunter Biden. They are not in NATO and we have no defense agreement or obligation.
*Ukraine was the bread basket of the Russia. We have no business there.
Yes I figure it will be right after the Olympics in China. That ole Chinese President and him are working this together. So he ain’t gonna want to steal oh Xi Ping thunder from getting the Olympics in his country. If it’s gonna happen it will happen right after that is my opinion. As j in n all opinions I could be wrong.
I do not care, don't think we should get in it other than the US was part of the treaty to guarantee their integrity if they gave up their nukes but that was a lie, as Obama showed that back in 2014. That the US does not honor treaties.
The only real concern I have is, will this be another appeasement situation, just let us have Ukraine but a few years down the road, need another country.
Yep, Putin being Putin. If he had Ukraine, he would be looking at Poland. He wants ALL the territory of the former USSR and has said so many times. He has more trolls online than troops on the border promoting his propaganda. Look a comrade Tukkker Carlson. A total Russian asset.
@Gal67 he has stated repeatedly he wants ALL the territory of the former USSR. It's not like he made this a secret. That includes Poland and half of Germany.
@Gal67 he wants the eastern block countries and considers them part of historic Russia.
He wrote a paper on the subject and gave his opinion clearly , this includes Poland and eastern Germany.
Here it is, right from the source.
en. kremlin. ru
Article by Vladimir Putin ”On the Historical Unity of Russians and Ukrainians“
www.google.com/.../66181&ved=2ahUKEwjZl56Q_9v1AhXSN30KHQU0C1UQFnoECAUQAQ&usg=AOvVaw3WaxcrPeh5rqNjLD55C1Ys
The reason those countries became a republic in the first place is because they were always fighting so I say let them fight it out
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I don't see the question here.
I might be willing to die -in defense- for my family or friends. But I give no damn about which flags are fluttering around my home.
Some 30 years ago they were all ''Soviet Union'' and more or less happy with it. Where is the difference NOW?
It's silly to believe that ''my nationality'' makes a difference in what assholes try to rule over me. The names may change; the idea remains the same.
Fking fk. As if corona wasn't enough. Worlds biggest nuclear armed countries are talking about a hot war. Putin has taken crimea and donbass what more does he want. He suppressed a revolution in Kazakhstan, kept Assad's ass floating.
I still think big war will be avoided but Ukraine will be divided among key players.
Must be some reason why they want it, more land more problems if there is no natural resources for them to use
All of this bullshit is being cooked up by CIA propagandists so that when the Russians fail to invade (because they weren't planning to anyway), this can be spun as some big foreign policy W for Biden to distract from the shitshow that has been the first year of his presidency.
"Russia sent almost its entire army to the border"
Oh dear. Okay, look, that's nonsense. According to the latest reports, he's sent approx. 120,000, which is NOT his entire army!
Russia is the largest nation on earth, and because of that he can't send his entire army to face off the Ukrainians; he has to keep quite a lot in reserve, just in case.
What Russia has, President Biden will send double, Putin is testing Biden's patience and he is ready to act
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You are welcome :)
I went anonymous cause too many people will go after Biden's throat
Russia understandably doesn't want NATO on its borders, particularly the Ukrainian border and shores of the black sea.
Obviously, the OP believe our media and politicians.
Russia does not have almost its entirely military ready to invade
I watched this recently and felt it was informative...
https://www.youtube.com/embed/JrMiSQAGOS4I say this is diplomatic jockeying, saber rattling, the same same.
Yeah I am a little worried. I think if Russia invades Ukraine WW3 is gonna break out and countries will be divided.
I’m wondering why. What’s in it for Putin? His economy is getting blasted by sanctions.
and republicans love this
why?
THEY'RE RUSSIAN
I’m sure Russia has 1.5 million troops 😂 not 94 thousand
@Gal67 is that including reserves? Definitely got over 1 million including reserves
Putin is dangerous to the free world.
Russia has 135,000 troops on border
Ukraine will be like America if we get invaded , all the men will run away
Nothingburger unironically
94k soldiers is almost its entire army?
did you have a Question? I do not see one...
pincer flanking maneuver
It’s the Russian revolution all over again
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