California is letting killers out of prison. I work in a prison setting, and I liked one of the guys who was due to release in two weeks. I asked him what his plans were.
He told me his plan was to go back to prison. This really bothered me, because they call it the Department of CORRECTIONS. That department doesn't correct jack shit.
There was nothing I could do about it, but it really bothered me, because he was so nice and respectful to the staff. He was in his late 20's, and had a long life ahead of him.
Two months after his release from prison, he cut his girlfriend's head off. Now he is back in prison, and serving a life sentence.
Most people don't have a fucking clue how the prison system works.
I had a prisoner named Hal. He was due to release in two days, but he still had "sanction" hours.
Sanction hours mean that they were bad, and I could impose a punishment.
I sanctioned him to help clean the kitchen, but he refused.
I made a joke about if he didn't do what I said, I would make him stay for two more months.
What he said to me was something I will never forget, he said: "I love prison, but I hate freedom. Freedom is just so very scary, and I just struggle with it."
Not only that, but Suboxone is also a business. Suboxone is synthetic heroin. Any prisoner can get it for free, if they just say they need it. It's a huge money maker. Guys would come down in the early morning and get their Suboxone strip and put it under their tongue. Then after they were completely wasted, they would go off to their construction job.
You can thank George Bush for that, and I'm an ultra conservative Republican. He was concerned about how rapists and killers are treated by prison staff. I got fired for a meme I made. I sent it to my friends in a group text. It got into the wrong hands, and I got fired. There was a guy who bragged about all the stuff he was going to buy himself and his family... what a fucking liar. He gets out, and then re-offends, and gets back in prison.
You're not allowed to carry a gun in New York. If someone on that train was allowed to conceal carry a gun, that's scenario would have turned out a whole lot different
New York City basically has outlawed legal civilian gun ownership... the only people legally carrying handguns there are cops and armed security professionals. And violent crime is skyrocketing.
I just realized, you're in the UK so it makes sense you don't know. American gun laws vary wildly by state. New York City and Chicago, for instance, have extremely strict gun control almost on par with the UK, and they are extremely high crime. Crime rates in the USA much more closely correlate to racial demographics, not gun laws.
The thing is even with guns been much harder to have in New York the reason it don't really work because they never stopped the supply of them into the land overall. If England and Scotland for example let's say Scotland allowed guns etc, England didn't we would get lots of guns showing up illegally in England thanks to Scotland. So you have to stop the supply overall in the entire area otherwise it's much easier for them to be sneaked in. Or even worse example let's London didn't allow guns but every other city in England did that would still mean very easy supply of guns illegally to London would happen.
That's not true, New York City you are not allowed to carry a firearm. Only the criminals and police have them. He knew exactly what he was doing and then there wouldn't be any resistance because they're not allowed to defend themselves
@20yearsolder who are you saying that's not true too? because I was the last person to make an opinion. But I agreed that only criminals would have them there. So your not disproving what I said. Just repeating what I already know and made a point about.
@Kaneki05 And yet they can easily be used to kill. 87 people died in the Nice Truck Attack, thanks to someone with an automobile, and that was one single attack. So shouldn't we ban civilians from owning cars to help save lives?
@RationalMale This example means nothing to me. They aren't made to kill people it's unequal example. Find a better argument. Otherwise we might as well talk about how dogs can kill people and whatever else dumb example that don't make any sense or relevance to this topic.
@Kaneki05 Actually it just shows how you're a blatant pathetic hypocrite if you want gun control to save lives but won't support banning cars to do the same. Cars have become a frequent weapon of choice by terrorists in Europe and car attacks are not even rare in the USA now, not even counting the thousands who die in car accidents. Go back to your basement you pathetic slob.
@Kaneki05 I really shouldn't expect any different from a subject. You guys don't even have freedom of speech, much less freedom to defend yourselves. I remember the London riots a few years back, watching videos of English "men" literally getting robbed of their clothing in the streets.
I see you just make arguments for the sake of it. Come back to me when you get some sense of how to make an argument that makes sense and with examples that actually fit to the subject. Bye lol
not in New York. In New York if someone shoots some one dead and someone else shoots killer dead , the killer will get a state paid funeral and the guy that killed him will get an injection. We are not allowed to defend ourselves or family.
For the record, (unless CAās recently passed gun control laws are stricter) NY state and NYC have THE STRICTEST gun laws in the nation over all particularly when it comes to anything with a pistol or āassault weaponā or certain excessories for them. NYās gun legislation is known as the SAFE ACT. It was hurriedly assembled and passed through the NY legislature and endorsed and heavily touted by then Gov Andrew Cuomo in response to the Sandy Hook shooting which did not even occur in the state of NY. Cuomo said the reason for the exceedingly strict measures was to prevent a mass shooting in the state of NY. FAIL!!
NYC for the record has had the extremely strict (even more strict) gun legislation for at least the last 20 years. Owing a pistol there for the last 20 years at least has been on a need to own basis just to own one. By need to own I mean itās necessary professionally (law enforcement) or for certain unique situations like Olympic athletes. Simply exercising oneās constitutional isnāt even allowed. Additionally, I do not know how long itās been in effect, but in NYC you must have a license to even own a rifle and I believe that applies to shotguns also. Concealed carry can be completely dismissed as open carry because even owning a pistol in NYC is nearly impossible. As with the SAFE act this legislation was a FAIL.
Not to mention many people know all types of guns can be obtained illegally at mosques. I personally know someone who bought a.380 Mustang pistol at a mosque when he was a kid and all his friends did like wise.
On the other end of the state in Buffalo NY approx 3-4 years ago a mosque was raided by police for selling firearms.
Gun control legislation is always a huge FAIL and the vast majority is unconstitutional to start with.
@purplepoppy You listen to me, I've been shooting a gun since I was 10 years old coz my dad was a cop who taught me to respect guns. I learned not to shoot my sister when my dad wasn't home at 10 years old. The problem is not the guns. It's the fact that mental health care is more difficult to get than a gun. So, bring your do-gooder attitude over here to 'Murica and set up a free health clinic.
Mental health can be a factor in these things. I think the bigger problem is they are engaging in evil willfully.
Out of any of the mass shooters this country has seen I donāt know of any that were criminally insane or had something like schizophrenia where they were completely not dealing with reality at the time. At the moment of their crime.
Sure mental health can be a factor but I believe the real problem is the hearts of these people. I donāt believe any were so mentally ill they didnāt know murder was wrong. One can be very emotionally and mentally disturbed, but they still know murder is wrong. They act on a choice. I think thatās where the problem is.
Consider this. The leading cause of death on this planet is other humans. If you add up all the wars, murders, genocides and torturing to extract information that resulted in death I. e. Spanish Inquisition type stuff it becomes clear humans are murders and killers at heart. Humans are at least to some degree a naturally violent species. I think this is where the real problem is and since thatās the case probably more guns are the answer. If nothing else itās a deterrent many situations. Better to be able to protect yourself from others, cause it magically every gun disappeared off this planet over night and every other weapon with it, tomorrow people will murder each other with sticks and stones. 100%
The fallacy of this argument is that NYC does not have a high level of gun enthusiasm, much less people carry. Try it in a location with high gun carry rates, see what happens. You live in the UK, no guns. But stabbings? That's another story isn't it?
The issue is that the USA gun stats include all gun deaths in them. Deaths from Leos, death from criminals, deaths from self defense, suicides, accidents, it's all in the stats. America's big problem is mental health, violent crime, rape, etc. We have lots of it here. We also have a far larger gang problem, one of the worst in the whole world. When you factor that in the bigger picture looks much different then what the antigun lobbiest are trying to portray
I don't have a gun to fight crime, I'm not trying to be fucking batman. I have one to protect me, and me alone, you want protection? Take responsibility for your own life and go get your own, why the hell don't you have one? Why the hell is anyone on a subway? Get a fucking car and move to some place that isn't a shithole so tightly packed that traffic is such a nightmare you'd rather take the subway.
You do realize gun laws wouldn't stop most criminals anyways right? Believe it or not criminals break laws...
Plus I heard about this story, the nutjob used smokebombs to blind everyone, what you want me to shoot blindly into the smoke? Probably hit more people than just him.
Most mass shootings happen places where guns are aren't aloud, so most legal gun owners are un armed anyways, and geuss what, like I said before, mine is for MY protection not yours. So if shooting starts and I'm near an exit, I'm probably gonna leave, I'm not running into danger like a wannabe John Wick.
A mental block in logic after our conversation? Really? So when people break into your home with guns or knives you let me know if the anti gun bullshit worked out for you. It's so easy to say shit like this when you never had it happen to you. It's like a person who never wears a seatbelt because they never been in a car accident. It's an insurance policy, plain and simple.
@t-8900 don't be a snowflake. Even Europe doesn't "outlaw guns". There's just higher regulations and less guns on the street. Jesus, right wingers are the true cucks.
Oh so can you get a. Conceal carry in all these countries? Wtf good is having a gun if you can't always carry it on your person? Cuck? Really? If I'm a cuck for carrying a gun then you're a cuck for wearing seatbelt Don't be a b*tch, don't take precautions in life. But I bet you were a leftist cuck who endorsed Fauci mandates and mask mandates. Don't be a hypocrite now
WRONG. The reason less bullets are flying is because less guns, different demographics, more unity, more singular identity, better overall mental health. Italy you can have a right to carry. In parts of Europe they have higher rapes, stabbings, assaults, and homicides. Your argument quickly falls apart when talking about the culprit, violent crime, not guns. How many people die from bludgeon objects e we year in murders? Do you know? Look it up. Do we now ban hammers, one of America's most common murder weapons? I already explained how you can't regulate guns the way you think we should. There's a gun trade that goes on both directions at the US border, which is extremely weak and unstable by the way
Just because you agree with the 2nd amendment doesn't make a person a nut. No robber, rapist, or killer would obey gun laws anyway. The cops can't protect you 24 hours a day. You have to watch after your own safety/life. You should consider our own Government who gives weapons to our enemies and that are used against us. Almost all government officials and courts, etc. are protected with guns. Meanwhile schools just have a sigh saying "This is a gun free zone." The school shooters sure didn't obey that law. Had a teacher had a concealed weapon perhaps a lot of kids would be alive today. Its NUTS to believe we won't need guns some day to protect ourselves from our own Government. All the people in Dictatorial countries have seen that. Hitler loved taking guns from all the citizens.
As we have no solid numbers on how many defend themselves I can't say that's a given. Men also overpower women barehanded and rape them, or with knives. Since guns are hard to come by in many nations with high rape I'm gonna have to dismiss that one outright
"Another drunk driving/hit and run/pileup/headon collision/deer hit/t-bone. When will they finally outlaw cars?"
I'm not trying to berrade or belittle you here. I'm presenting facts and leaving it up to you to decide what you believe.
I undertand that you're upset but if they were going to ban guns altogether they should have done it while we were still a colony. Wait... they tried that.
Instead of banning (insert whatever object that was ever used to hurt someone) we need to address the underlying issues that drove someone down the path of crime and violence in the first place.
Even if I was for banning guns, which I'm not, there simply is no feasable way to do it. There's 400,000,000 guns in the U. S. that we know about. Keyword: "that we know about". I'm going to guess there's another 30 million that we don't know about. Along with several billion, with a "B", rounds of ammunition. If guns were the issue, you'd know.
People are the issue. People have killed one another en mass since long before gunpowder existed. The Greeks, Persians, Germanics, Romans, Vikings, The Rus, The ancient Japanese, Ancient Chinese, The Romans, the English, even the Native Americans didn't need guns to murder, rape, pillage, and enslave.
I'll end with this. When someone breaks into your home what do you do? Call someone with a gun (police) and pray they get there in time. (They won't).
Excuse me. I hate to interrupt your commie musings, but, in the United States of America, we have something called, "The Bill of Rights". What about "shall not be infringed" don't you understand?
Furthermore, NYC already has strict gun laws in place already. Glad to see they worked so well to stop this from happening. Of course, tyrants like OP think that giving government more control over others will make all the problems disappear like a fart in the wind. Delusional tyrants like OP who won't be satisfied until the government has their boots over everyone's necks. Psychopathic tyrants like OP who continue to push for the banning of firearms but keep pushing for the decriminalization of hard drugs, which is the real problem of this country.
@Exterminatore The people of New York State need to follow the doctrine of the Lesser Magistrates and get their elected officials, especially their Sheriffs, to use interposition and nullification to void all illegal laws, decrees, ordinances, and mandates that are unconstitutional and are not to be followed.
'That a well-regulated militia, composed of the body of the people, trained to arms, is the proper, natural, and safe defence of a free State; that standing armies, in time of peace, should be avoided, as dangerous to liberty; and that in all cases the military should be under strict subordination to, and governed by, the civil power.'
Unfortunate that you pay no attention what so ever to avoiding standing armies.
@gigi2019. You know about the doctrine of the Lesser Magistrates? I'm impressed. I wish everyone did. The "powers that be" don't want that information getting around.
We've been working on electing constitutional sheriffs here.
Where do you come from believing it's time to give up our gun for your superficial need for security. Now is not the time.
Plus, you are aware that there a huge 2A case before the US Supreme Court about New York's LTC prohibition for average citizens to legally carry firearms in public? That gets heard later this year.
Biden just did a speech where he is going to send the ATF out with an executive action to remove and destroy gun kits, that he calls Ghost Guns, where are hardly used in crimes less you listen to legacy media, who now have it all crimes are ghost guns. Anyways he only talked about the guns. Not the criminals. The message is clear, criminals are not to be bothered. Just law-abiding citizens.
I don't understand the theory. outlawing guns means the criminal couldn't have got one somewhere? That's not reality.
If you know his area, it's a very "Asian/chinese"... and don't know any in my circle that have or want guns. even so, be tough to shoot accurately in a fog mess with XX people around.
We need to engage the mental illness and human suffering/dislocation issue in society which is prevalent in big cities. Put god back into society, some of these are fixed. Put people away until they are mentally healthy addresses some.
Checks for prior issues, mental issues, putting people away for prior crimes... all sounds like valid ideas.
You should know by your age that outlawing firearms will only result in bad guys with the guns and NO ONE can protect themselves from an attack. As hateful as it is - what happened in NYC today, bad guys are stopped over 2.5 MILLION times per year - because a good guy had a gun. The bad guy either ran away, was shot, or was permanently removed from society.
And... at your age, you should be extremely well aware the US Constitution affords Americans the RIGHT to carry and own weapons, specifically firearms. That ain't gonna change any time soon unless the Democrats decide to shred our Constitution and impose their version of a communist dictatorship, while calling it "democracy".
I feel extremely sorry for those perfected by what happened. But removing guns won't stop something like what happened.
As far as I (and a bunch of judges and lawyers) read the 2A, we all have the right to arm bears.
Blaming the tool used in most mass murders is stupid. Blaming the idiot misusing it is where the focus needs to be. Because there are a bunch of those idiots going around, I (and many others) choose to carry a firearm with the hope we'll never have to use it on another human being.
NY (and CA) has chosen the role of over-protector and forced their citizens to be highly restricted in their exercise of the Constitution. If that's the case, then NYC has chosen to be responsible for the safety of its citizens, regardless of the situation. Certainly, the use of firearms in NYC is highly controlled. If that's how they want it, fine. BUT... that means NYC needs to be better at protecting its populace, OR... allow its citizens the right to defend themselves against idiots like today, by allowing them to carry a firearm.
The "Defund the police" stupidity contributes to situations like today (limiting the available police to be around). Toss in the extreme leniency (no bail, no jail) shown toward criminals brought before the court and letting them free to commit further crimes definitely doesn't help either. I know if I lived there, I'd feel extremely vulnerable for a criminal to take advantage of me, leaving me zero recourse to defend myself either with a firearm or through legal means.
That's not what the second Amendment states. That argument has been made time and again within multiple groups.
In the end, it wouldn't matter what anyone really thinks other than the nine. They're the only ones who are rightfully in a position to determine the Constitutionality.
SCOTUS has ruled in favor of a citizens right to bear arms for reasonable self defense in their homes. What they have not ruled on is gun control laws. But it is clear that any citizen can keep and bear arms in their homes. No state can pass a law infringing on that.
So IF... just an IF... if the Dumbocraps decide to pass a gun control bill outlawing guns, who's gonna go collect them? Who's going to even attempt to collect 400+ million guns from US citizens? I guarantee you it ain't gonna be the local police. As for the military, you'd better re-think that part too.
Guns are a part of American life right from the start. I can name several countries (Russia, China, Cambodia, Turkey,, Germany, Uganda, etc...) that have banned them with extremely disastrous results for the population because they had nothing to defend themselves with.
While horrid situations arise from time to time like NYC, I'd expect our country to try those individuals with a fair trial, to be immediately followed by execution with extreme prejudice. People like the Boston Bomber shouldn't be alive today, living off the taxpayers expense.
The federal government can't outlaw guns. 2008, D. C vs Heller. Supreme court ruled a citizen's right to keep and bear arms for reasonable use in self defense in their home CANNOT be infringed. As of yet, they have not ruled, constitutionally, on gun control outside the home. Constitutionally speaking, no one will ever be able to come to your home and take your guns, with certain legal exceptions.
The Second Amendment will always prevent a total ban on firearms. Reasonable gun control might be possible, but only if the Second Amendment is interpreted exactly the way the writers created it. During the Revolutionary War, British soldiers confiscated colonists' rifles, which were used mostly for hunting, as well as occasionally for defense; recognizing that was wrong, the Second Amendment was created to prevent government from taking people's single-shot, minutes to reload, guns. Over time, the interpretation of the amendment has expanded to basically say that an individual can have pretty much any kind of weapon they want (including multi-shot, quick reloading guns) and the government can't touch them. Unless that interpretation goes back to something closer to the original intent of the amendment, reasonable gun control will never be there.
Does an individual really need the equivalent of a machine gun for hunting or defense?
Another murder in rural America where police are two hours away, when will we finalize legalize firearms without restrictions so we can defend ourselves?
Exactly. If I called the cops right now saying someone is shooting at me, it'll be no less than 30 minutes on a good dry day. Right now with the road starting to flood, they can't get out here for a few hours minimum. Without a gun, I have to hope that the dogs kill the intruder before we are royally fucked. . When you're on your own, you handle it on your own.
I am pro second amendment but guns need to be registered just like cars. Citizens have the right to bear arms. Felons and the insane should not be armed at all.
Oh you'd be surprised how stupid some people can be. One dude on here was so against hunting, he legit said it was more morally acceptable to beat animals to death with your bare hands, than use a rifle to make it quick. Why? Because it was "more even"
@exitseven I will have to disagree, I see registration as a doorway to eventually (when power shifts) track down and take guns away, cause now they know who has them. I am for background checks though, if the government pays for it. Otherwise I see a background check fee as a Poll tax on a right.
Lucky for me though, I live in a state with background checks, but since I have a conceal carry permit I never have to pay for them, one of the advantages to getting it, is no fees on background checks. Yet it isn't even needed for concealed carry either, anyone can conceal carry so long as you can legally possess a gun.
We don't have mass shootings either, and its legal to carry concealed in schools too. Has been for almost my entire life.
A shooter would never know how many is armed in any school at any time.
@Agape93 That would be considered fast where I am, 45 minutes is fast on a good day, 60 minutes is common, but there was a case of a few years ago of a woman home alone while her husband was away for work. A drunk guy came along and was trying to get her, and it took police over two hours to respond. The reason given was at the time the call came in, it was bad timing. The sheriffs were all at the edge as far away as possible.
@aerissa_jade how do you do background checks without the government finding out who they are doing a background check on? One sort of goes with the other.
@exitseven Still need to have ID to buy a gun, thus they run a background check based off that, or if I hand them my conceal carry permit, that works too.
The background checks do not register any guns we buy, it is strictly to make sure we are allowed to buy them.
The system works by running us through it, then the dealer can sell us any gun. They do not need to list what type of weapon we are trying to buy. At gun shows you can go in and get ran first then browse and shop, if you so choose. Most people just pick something out then go do that though to avoid getting it ran first, if you don't find something you don't want to buy.
@exitseven It could be used as a rough guide, but not everyone that gets approved will buy a gun. So it gives them a list of people who passed the background, but its not suppose to be saved anywhere... so once your approved its done and gone.
@aerissa_jade I think the government keeps records of ll sorts of things. I would imagine that 99% of people that will submit to a background test will end up buying a gun. I used to do business at a police department and there was always a notice on the bulletin board from the chief. It would have the name of somebody who wanted a gun permit and the chief wanted any cop in the department that had an objection to this person owning a gun should see the chief about it.
@gguy767 I often state, we should use the exact same requirements to vote as to buy a gun. ID and background check to show you are who you say you are.
Of course, all zero expense to the person exercising their rights, no fees or poll tax type on any of it. Either to vote or buy a gun.
Even getting government ID's should be free, cut expenses somewhere to fund it with tax payer money, don't raise taxes to fund it.
@exitseven There is a state law here the legislature passed that forbid it from being collected/stored, how well it is known or enforce, no idea myself. They could be doing it illegally and no one knows about it, if they are, it is a well kept secret. At least on the state level, not sure what the feds do.
I live in Illinois, I legally concealed carry everyday. The people with the stick up their ass is Chicago. Law abiding citizens aren't allowed to protect himself so the criminals have illegal guns, they don't care that it's illegal. They're criminals
Wellā¦our constitution doesnāt allow a firearms ban. At best, you can try to regulate usage but laws only work when people voluntarily follow them. Relatively few people in New York have concealed carry licenses. Itās one of the most restrictive jurisdictions in the country and if New York is like most states, you canāt carry your legal weapon on the subway anyway. Only criminals are packing in the āgun freeā zones.
I have a concealed carry license in Illinois and there are a boatload of restrictions on where you can carry it. I remember during the prerequisite training, the guy basically advised carrying it anyway. Itās a misdemeanor to have it in a gun free zone and if you had to use it, being charged with a misdemeanor is better then being dead.
Plus I donāt obsess about politics as much as a lot of people. Iām conservative on some issues and liberal on others, so anywhere I go Iām probably going to be unhappy half the time anyway.
@Roxxy99 I live in a blue libtarded state and we can carry anywhere. Unless there's a metal detector scenario, otherwise if it says "BANS GUNS IN THESE PREMISES", it's no different than a dumbass mask mandate that's unenforceable by law, if you happen to get caught, which I mean unless you cap someone's ass you won't, you would get slapped with trespassing.
Of course nobody had a concealed gun because it's almost impossible to get that in NYC due to liberal democrat policies. You're like the guy claiming that the fact prisoners die from smoke inhalation in their cells during a prison fire proves that fire extinguishers don't work.
Another thing: In the U. S. it's established law that the police aren't responsible for your safety & can't be sued if they decide not to help you. Tell me how it is just/fair/moral to tell a person that they must depend on the cops for their safety when the cops are not even obligated to provide it?
Of course if you're a VIP politician or rich person the cops will always rush to help you in 1 minute or less. Otherwise people are waiting 30 minutes to 1 hour in many places. Look at Chicago where the mayor has 80 cops dedicated to provide her with armed security full time while she claims nobody else should have guns.
"Another mass shooting"... uh sir there's thousands of shootings monthly across the United States... and yet where are you? you're not talking about them are you? you just talk about the ones shown by the media, then you try to push your anti-gun agenda..
Yes its sad that people were injured because of a maniac yesterday, thankfully no one was killed, and he was apprehended.
People that think banning guns in a country with well over 800+ Million firearms legal or illegal are just going to magically disappear is laughable... it really is.
what happened during the prohibition? people were still making and selling alcohol weren't they?
People are literally printing guns using 3d printers, you can't ban guns, so there goes your agenda... right out of the door. use some common sense okay?
never, cause the gun lobby is too strong and too many people want the gun laws to be in place.
i learn to understand that more and more, given there's large strips of land in america with very low population density, where you can't just call the cops when someoene is breaking into your house. you'll long be dead before they even arive. but for high polulation density places, it sucks.
also: i think the weapon is just the tool at the end of the day. people going crazy is the issue. they'll find means to kill other than firearms anyway.
Firearms will never be outlawed, the only difference is the institutions that keep people in power in power (military, cops, etc) would be the only ones allowed to bare arms. And weāve seen time and time again that they are irresponsible with fire arms as well as inadequate when it comes to dealing with crime.
Out lasting fire arms would inevitably do more harm than good.
A population of people that are unable to defend themselves are easy for a state to control.
Lmao you do realize nyc is harder to get a permit than California right? You can't have one unless you're a jeweler or your occupation requires you to carry thousands of dollars and even then they try to get you to just hire bodyguards.
If anything, it's a win for gun enthusiasts because it proves the point that these people were completely defenseless.
Never. It was already illegal for the killer to have those. How did that work out? What a stupid "solution". The killer will not shoot people because it's illegal, give me a fucking break.
So, you are mad that nobody jumped out with a gun to protect?
But you want to ban guns?
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New York has very strict gun laws.
It's a public place, and if you can't see a direct threat and make sure it is valid, not just another good guy with a gun out. You do not shoot. We can't just do suppresive fire down a public street.
Most people don't have any guns on them on at any longer distance than a few car lenghts.
And you don't want to pull out a gun and make people think you are the shooter.
Lastly, my gun is there to protect me and my family, i won't go risk my life to save idiots like you. You won't protect and provide for my family after i get killed.
Because most of the guns you can conceal carry with are illegal in NY. That state has very strict laws on weapons and the like so your point is diminished.
@Exterminatore yep, barring being a current or former law enforcement, or active security officer your chances aren't high to have a carry license, only premises meaning it has to be stored in the domicile, or for sport play it can't be concealed carry.
Not only that but you need a license to even have a rifle and I believe shot gun too. Which can also be difficult to obtain even for people with no criminal issues or mental health issues. As for a pistol, concealed or not I know a decade ago you needed a reason to even get a license and by a reason I donāt mean just āmy reason is I want one.ā It would have to be for the types of professions you mentioned or professional athletes and competitors like for the Winter Olympics. That type of thing.
Thatās different from the rest of the state. In the rest of the state you donāt need any licensing or registration of rifles or shotguns.
@MrShaun wrong op. NYC is densely and firmly democratic. Guess who usually doesn't carry? Democrats. That's a fact. NYC is NOT a densely gun enthusiast area. Do you think about this subject at all before you post or are you an anti gun lobbiest that spams sites with anti gun nonsense? I carry a gun to protect ME not you, ME If you don't carry and get shot that's you're own goddamn fault. If you're too stupid to take your own precautions then get a Darwin award.
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Mass shootings didn't happen before prozac etc but guns have been around for ages.
It is also obvious that your government has been corrupted by a criminal syndicate and it has demonstrated that it has no problem killing you in order to manipulate you.
When will you stop school shootings? When the US wakes up and realizes that many citizens are actually insane therefore owning a gun should be possible only if you have a psychological evaluation and a very important reason why you want to have a gun. Like in every normal countries. Guess, how many school-shootings we had? NONE. Anyway, I feel sorry for the people who have to experience this (and die) but I'm really glad that I live in another continent.
Yeah, you have grooming gangs, public beheadings, and terrorist attacks in the UK which the police don't stop because they're afraid of being accused of racism and losing their job. I wouldn't exactly be bragging about how sane your country is. If your country was armed maybe it could rise up against your occupied government.
@maverick2022 Just out of curiosity, where did you read public beheading is common in the UK? I have never heard about such things unless you count the history books and the 1700s.
@OddBeMe one British Muslim outside of the UK beheaded people, you can hardly call that dangerous. And still doesn't change the fact that Europe hardly have any school shootings, I can't even remember one. Meanwhile in the US... The land of the crazies...
@OddBeMe Even if a white person raped someone I'm pretty sure the media didn't avoid reporting it and the police didn't avoid pursuing them because of repercussions, which was my point in the first place. Try to keep up.
@maverick2022 three school shootings since 1967 in the United Kingdom (none after the 2010 massacre), compared to the US which has had 1,316 school shootings since 1970.
Of the 650 homicides recorded in 2019 in the UK, 257 of the victims got stabbed. Again, 130 got assaulted, 28 shot, 22 strangled, 19 were cases of fire, and 194 were unknown. In the US In 2018, firearms accounted for 10,265 deaths, whereas knives and other cutting instruments only accounted for 1,515 homicides, according to the FBI homicide data.
There were 13,000 firearm murders in the U. S. in 2019, according to IHME ā about 7 percent of all the murders counted in its database of more than 200 countries.
You can bring up 2 British muslims beheading people, and other data, and yes, you can die of being shot in the UK, the fact is fact, the US is an effed up place where all firearms should be banned from private use. You guys just can't handle it.
Oh, by the way, in the UK, killing an MP counts as terrorist attack so those numbers are lower in reality, depends on what you think a terrorist attack is.
Anyway, I'm out. Enjoy your guns. It's natural selection at its finest.
@gguy767 no one, I mean no one, has ever called for taking guns away. At most weāre asking for a gun buyback program like they did in Australia to get them off the streets. Legal, responsible gun nuts wouldnāt have a worry.
@gguy767 what camps? Australia was back up and running while we were getting hit with Covid. But great sidetracking btwā¦actually no, poor sidetracking.
@gguy767 private "journalists"? On Youtube? Where you have a channel to make money, get clicks and likes and they know exactly that nutters will flock to them? Alright. Thank you for proving my point. The US is indeed the land of crazies now.
... And the UK with 10 times the terrorism rate that has jumped off the social justice deep end isn't crazy at all. If the US is so crazy why is it the number one producer of entertainment consumed by your country?
More evidence of Jews conspiring against Christians. Meanwhile most Christians are so brainwashed they don't even realize Jews consider them an opponent. White Christians are basically the first target of cultural Marxism.
It's an ethnicity and there's DNA testing for it. Israel is considering to implement a requirement of a certain percentage of Jewish genetics to live in their country.
@gguy767 I have read about āproposedā ideas in Israel like thatā¦theyāre getting a lot of flak for it and other laws like marriage rules. Itās verging on apartheid. It aināt South Africa but still.
But israel is an ethno state rebuilding a race nearly destroyed 80 years ago. So I get the reasons.
Hell if I know and the biggest DNA testing company is run by a Jew too, which isn't surprising since they are the most invested in genetic preservation. It's racism/white supremacy for Europeans to do the same, which just proves the level of indoctrination. Regardless I'm not saying other people aren't evil and just because you can't prove a conspiracy doesn't mean it's not happening.
@gguy767 honestly I donāt know. Iv asked on quora and got completely different answers. Race is a societal invention. And itās causing negative reactions in Israel as a result.
I already proved that Jews control the 5 biggest media conglomerates, in addition to controlling YouTube and Facebook. In addition, half of the Federal Reserve chairmen are Jewish and 3 of the biggest banks are controlled by Jews. It's all easily verifiable information, how am I stubborn for realizing the state of the world?
By the way, it's Jews like George Soros that's behind the destruction of countries like Sweden by forced immigration and multiculturalism. The Israeli press actually mocks countries for having these types of destructive policies, even though it's their people that are behind it in the first place.
What did I say that's not true? Everything I've stated is easily verifiable to anyone that takes a minute to research. On the contrary, you sound like a rambling maniac to basically everyone.
@maverick2022 weāve already been over this mav. The board of directors at those media companies are replete with diverse races. And weāve discussed how some Jews arenāt even religious. So whereās the conspiracy?
@gguy767 So you're basically just saying it's the wealthy, yet Jews have the highest percentage of billionaires of any ethnicity. @OddBeMe I'm pretty sure it doesn't matter who's on a board of directors of a company when someone else owns the company and decides what goes. I never said Jews are a religion, gguy767 was saying that.
I did hear some other guy say it then I researched it for myself and realized it's true. What's wrong with that? Jews have a massive influence over western culture to the point that many people adopt their views. I'm not saying it's all Jews, that's an assumption you made and some Jews actually agree with me.
Have you considered the possibility that guns alone aren't the problem, but food additives and unhealthy eating is causing people to go loopy.
The same people who do these shootings can very easily get knives and screwdrivers and cause plenty of damage. Would you ban the sale of knives and tools? That would make eating and DIY pretty difficult.
Dude, you can't outlaw firearms. You can only maniacs like Frank James from getting them. Dude had been arrested like 8 times. He was posting insane nonsense on youtube. Making threats about mass murders, etc.
He should have been arrested for firearms violations a long time ago. There is no way he should have been anywhere near a gun.
When you outlaw BLACK LIVES MATTER and all the other home grown terrotist AS WELL as the South American, Chinese, and Muslim terrorist that Clinton, Obama, Hillary, Pelosi, and Biden have let immigrate into USA. Damn Democratic Socialists. AOC will be a āgreatā President 🙀 to finish this country off.
Well mr. Genius š¤® if you follow up news the terrorist here is not a Muslim, thatās why they called it simply mass shooting and they refused to call it terrorist attack, because the terrorist here is an American š¤® I pity you how you are narrow minded and you have so much hatred towards the entire world because you listen and believe in stupid fake news š¤®
You are narrow mindedā¦GET OUT of your little Story boxā¼ļø The answer to everything is get rid of the guns. Address the other group realities mentioned, Genius. āEven the most liberal people in know from both Cambridge and Boston acknowledges their Existence. Obviously, you are incapable of seeing outside of your Little box š¦
This is what happens when one removes a Biblical Moral Ethic from schoolsā¦like the 10 Commandmentsā¦. and downgrade life to the point of killing Babies in womb is abRight. āItās not about gunsā¦itās totally depraved people without a Biblical Morality left unto themselves.
Outlawing them will not stop it. Firearms are much like drugs, we will never fully get rid of them. It does not matter how many laws are change or how much money and man hours are put into getting rid of them. The world is screwed up and will always have screwed up people living in it. It's time for people to stop believing the lies that people keep trying to sell them and start accepting the harsh realities of the world we live in.
Today right now make all fire arms illegal and I am shure all the criminals who have guns will go " wow we better take our illegal guns and turn them over so we dont get in trouble " 😀
No one jumped out with a concealed carry because New York is full of dumb liberals who don't want to carry guns and treat anybody who does like they are a lunatic outcast. Crazy pieces of shit go on shooting sprees because they know nobody carries guns anymore because dumb liberal retards like yourself made that illegal. "Oh, let's make guns illegal, that will solve the problem" Really, smart guy? Last time I checked, shooting people or carrying a gun was already illegal in New York.
American people want guns, because they want guns. They don't do it for "protection" or "incase they need to rise up against a tyrant".
They just want their guns. I am not saying it's bad, just don't bs about owning a gun "to protect me and my family". Just say I like guns, don't take it away. Period.
In the state where I live there is a law that says if you get caught with an unregistered firearm it is an automatic year in jail. This law is never enforced because it is only gang bangers that were lugged for this. 99% of gun crime is caused by unregistered firearms.
Never. Would you like your cock in your hand while you are the one in sites getting mowed down? Anywho, your chances of dying via mass shooting are no different than being struck by lightening, surviving, falling off a dock or your boat then drowning.
It is next to imposable to get a CCW or a firearms permit in New York, is a myth that it is easy to get any firearm in New York, but you need to get a a special exemption and they only go to the rich and famous.
The shooter was a Black male aged 62, Democrat voter, BLM supporter, at this time the police won't actually tell you what this person's views really are, and who the targets of his hate are and what triggered him to start shooting in the subway.
When will you idiots learn guns don't kill , people do. You should keep these idiots in prison, but he is black and because US had slavery , he gets 6 months and goes right back out to shoot more people. If you liberal dumb asses would keep felons in prison , there would never be shootings.
Never. And for good reason - - - - Guns do not fire themselves, just as spoons and forks do not make people obese. Gun laws do NOT stop the idiots and jerks from getting guns - they are just an impingement on law-abiding citizens.
I just donāt think Earth should have guns OR people anymore😂😂😂 This whole human experience is an absolute debacle. We are not a good species of animal.
Outlawing firearms is t the answer. You will take guns away from decent law abiding cotícenos, yet the ones commuting the crimes will still get their guns illegally.
Drugs are illegal yet still easily accessible to people who seek them out. Same deal with guns.
Gotta ban the supply nation wide otherwise they very easy to be sneaked into a State even if that State has the strictest gun laws. Just don't work as a half measure really.
2nd amendment is pretty powerful in the US. So I doubt that firearms will be outlawed. Not saying that there arenāt reasons to remove the protection or continue protecting it as a right but that it is itself powerful in the nation.
The safest states are those with the least amount of gun laws and restrictions. Why are the cities with the toughest gun laws always the highest crime and murder rates?
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