Is Trump right to stop Iran from continuing to attack the United States & its allies?

[Anonymous]

[abc3643]

This is what I wrote in the New York Times two days ago...

444 Days. Remember that number because that's all you need to remember. That's how long the Islamic regime in Iran kept Americans as prisoners. President Carter worked to have them released and succeeded but, in a final insult, those released hostages didn't take off to fly home from Tehran until the moment after Reagan was sworn in.

I am a liberal saying this: I hope that regime is eradicated from the face of the Earth. The world will be a much better place without them.

I think Trump starting this war was illegal since there needs to be a declaration of war for a war like this. But, that's irrelevant now. We are in a war... a war we need to win completely. For that, Trump has my support.

[Berethor]

Sure, Iran and it's Proxies has attacked United States and it's Allies for many years.

https://www.idf.il/en/mini-sites/iran-regime/iran-s-proxies-entrenching-the-middle-east/

[Asker]

Weve had 45 years of this

[Orion84]

Trump is responsible for Iran retaliating against the US & Israel.

He's not stopping shit. He started this, and he's too weak and useless to do anything to stop it, at this point. He's begging all the countries he alienated to help him, and they've unanimously told him to get fucked.

The only way this ends is when Iran is satisfied, Trump publicly apologizes, or Trump & Israel are gone.

[Asker]

Iran has been doing this for 45 years and trying to get a nuke

[Orion84]

How's that Kool Aid taste?

Iran hasn't initiated an armed conflict in over 200 years. They have responded to attacks by other countries, and rightly so, but they haven't been the aggressor in modern history.

Additionally, the previous leader of Iran, Ayatollah Khomeini, had a fatwa against the development of nuclear weapons. The primary reason you believe otherwise is because Israel has spent the last 40 years saying otherwise, despite there being no actual proof of Iran developing nuclear capabilities.

Why else would they have have signed the Joint Comprehensive Plan of Action (JCPOA), which limited Iran's ability to develop a nuclear weapon?

That same treaty was ripped up by Trump, incidentally, right before he went back to complaining about Iran's supposed development of nuclear weapons.

Where's the logic behind complaining about something that the very treaty HE withdrew from prevented? There isn't any, because he is a fucking moron.

[Asker]

November 1979-January 1981: Iranian students — with the backing of Tehran — take 66 Americans hostage at the U. S. Embassy in Tehran.

April 1983: A suicide car bombing kills 63 people, including 17 Americans, at the U. S. Embassy in Beirut. The Iran-backed terrorist group Islamic Jihad, a precursor and early branch of Hezbollah (not to be confused with Palestinian Islamic Jihad), claims responsibility.

October 1983: Operatives of the Iran-backed Hezbollah drive a truck bomb at a Marine compound in Beirut, killing 220 U. S. Marines and 21 other service personnel.

December 1983: Hezbollah operatives drive an explosives-filled dump truck through the gates of the U. S. Embassy in Kuwait City. No Americans are harmed.

March 1984: Terrorists kidnap CIA station chief William Buckley in Beirut, subsequently torturing and ultimately killing him in 1985. Islamic Jihad claims responsibility.

December 1984: Hezbollah terrorists hijack Kuwait Airways Flight 221 on its way from Kuwait to Pakistan and divert it to Tehran, killing two American officials from the U. S. Agency for International Development.

June 1985: Hezbollah terrorists hijack TWA Flight 847 en route from Athens to Rome and kill a U. S. Navy diver.

July 1989: Hezbollah operatives kill U. S. Marine Corps Col. William Higgins after kidnapping him the previous year while on a United Nations peacekeeping mission in southern Lebanon.

April 1995: An explosives-laden van crashes into a bus near Kfar Darom in the Gaza Strip, killing one American and seven Israelis. Palestinian Islamic Jihad claims responsibility.

August 1995: A Hamas suicide bomber blows up a bus in the Ramat Eshkol neighborhood of Jerusalem, killing an American and three other passengers and wounding more than 100

[Asker]

February 1996: A Hamas suicide bomber blows up a Jerusalem bus, killing three Americans and wounding three other Americans. A total of 26 people die in the attack.

March 1996: A suicide bomber blows up the Dizengoff shopping center in Tel Aviv, wounding two Americans. Twenty people die and 75 others are injured in the attack. Both Hamas and Palestinian Islamic Jihad claim responsibility.

May 1996: Gunmen kill an American-Israeli dual citizen in the community of Beit El in the West Bank. Another U. S. citizen and three Israelis are wounded. No group claims responsibility, but Israel suspects Hamas or Palestinian Islamic Jihad.

June 1996: A truck carrying 5,000 pounds of explosives blows up the Khobar Towers, a U. S. Air Force housing complex in the Saudi Arabian town of Khobar. Nineteen Americans die and some 500 people are injured. The Iran-backed Hezbollah Al Hijaz, a terrorist group in Saudi Arabia, is deemed responsible.

September 1997: Three Hamas suicide bombers blow themselves up at the Ben Yehuda shopping mall in Jerusalem, killing a U. S.-Israeli dual citizen and wounding seven other American citizens. Four other people die and nearly 200 are wounded in the attack.

August 1998: With the assistance of Hezbollah, al Qaeda suicide bombers almost simultaneously blow up the U. S. Embassies in Kenya and Tanzania, killing 224 people, including 12 Americans, and wounding thousands. According to the 9/11 Commission Report, al Qaeda developed “the tactical expertise for such attacks months earlier, when some of its operatives — top military committee members and several operatives who were involved with the Kenya cell among them — were sent to Hezbollah training camps in Lebanon.”

[Orion84]

I was going to respond to each point individually, but ran out of room, and the formatting was getting confusing, so I decided to make a more generalized response, instead.

You make some good points, and well done with the dates. The thing is, though, that the US has been interfering in Iranian government, politics, and sovereignty for so long that these can all be considered retaliation for US, or US-backed, aggression.

It all started in 1959 when Iran diplomatically elected Prime Minister Mohammad Mosaddegh, who then nationalized Iran's oul production.

Well, the US couldn't have that, could they? A foreign nation in control of it's own oil? Blasphemy! So the US overthrew the, again, democratically elected leadership, and installed a puppet regime in it's place.

During the 1979 Islamic Revolution, the US puppet regime, under Shah Mohammad Reza Pahlavi was overthrown. The Iranians took back their government, from the United States, who continued to support their puppet regime, and ignore Iranian sovereignty, which directly led to the Iranian Hostage Crisis.

The US then officially supported Iraq during their war with Iran, while simultaneously selling illegal weapons to the Iranians, effectively playing both sides, and profiting off of it the entire time.

Meanwhile, we place sanctions on Iran for decades, all because they had the nerve to overthrow the government WE forced upon them in 1959, and have since labeled them as an enemy, when all they did was retake their own country from us.

Continuing on to 2026, where we unilaterally bomb Iran, during negotiations, mind you, and somehow they are the bad guys?

[Orion84]

No; everything that's happened can be traced back to the US illegally interfering with a democratic election in another country (odd, since we claim to love democracy), because we wanted their oil, and then we made them out to be the bad guys for fighting back.

If the US had kept our bullshit out of Iran, in the first place, none of this would have happened. We are the bully, and every time our victim tries to fight back, we spin it as the actions of an "evil, aggressive nation."

[Asker]

August 2001: A Hamas suicide bomber blows up the Sbarro pizzeria in Jerusalem, killing a U. S.-Israeli dual citizen and two other Americans. A total of 15 people die in the attack.

September 11, 2001: While the 9/11 Commission Report concludes that Iran had no foreknowledge of al Qaeda’s attacks on the World Trade Center, the report indicates that Tehran facilitated the travel of some of the terrorists. “In sum,” the report notes, “there is strong evidence that Iran facilitated the transit of al Qaeda members into and out of Afghanistan before 9/11, and that some of these were future 9/11 hijackers.”

January 2002: Gunmen affiliated with the Iran-backed al-Aqsa Martyrs’ Brigade kill a U. S.-Israel dual citizen and wound another individual in the West Bank community of Beit Sahur.

July 2002: A bomb planted by a Hamas terrorist kills five Americans at Jerusalem’s Hebrew University, killing five American students, including an American-Israeli dual citizen and an American-French dual citizen. A total of nine people died in the attack.

June 2003: An American citizen, along with 16 other people, died when a Hamas terrorist blew himself up on a bus in Jerusalem.

October 2003: Terrorists from the Iran-backed Popular Resistance Committees kill three U. S. diplomatic personnel in a bombing in Gaza.

[Asker]

2003-2011: Iranian-backed militias kill at least 603 U. S. troops in Iraq, according to the Pentagon. Iranian training and material support for Iraqi militias during the surge greatly increased the difficulty of U. S. forces to combat the insurgency and included some of the deadliest weapons used against American troops, including explosively formed penetrators (EFPs) and improvised explosive devices (IEDs).

August 2003: A Hamas suicide bomber blows up a bus in Jerusalem, killing five Americans and wounding one other American. A total of 24 people died in the attack.

August 2006: Hezbollah fighters kill American citizen Michael Levin, a soldier in the Israel Defense Forces (IDF), during the Second Lebanon War. He is the only American to die in the conflict.

January 2007: Twelve men affiliated with the Quds Force of Iran’s Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps (IRGC) disguised themselves as U. S. soldiers, entered the Provincial Joint Coordination Center in the Iraqi city of Karbala, killed five U. S. soldiers, and wounded another three. In 2019, the U. S. State Department issued a $15 million bounty for information on an IRGC Quds Force commander who planned the attack and other “assassinations of coalition forces in Iraq.”

[strateguy632]

Yup and Australia Austria Canada and more agree. Too bad Briton is soft.

[Asker]

You mean Britainistan?

[strateguy632]

Sweet! London mayor is indicative! I suggest Brit-istan or Brit-anistan!

[Asker]

Yes Khan in his Lindon Caliphate

[Asker]

London caliphate

[exitseven]

yes. it sucks to have to do this but tis was really the best time to do it. Iran was experiencing financial problems and there were riots in the streets. Iran sooner or later would have a nuke.

[jshm2]

No. Just as you have no right to bitch when you get smacked in the mouth for attacking someone else.

[Asker]

Iran has been attacking the US for 45 years. They are the ones bitchin about foot being put to ass.

[Pterodon]

Of course he’s right. Only a democrat would say it’s ok if Iran keeps killing Americans

[CupcakeTheDestroyer]

Stop Iran? Girl, he started it

[AngryCarl3]

Trump started the war.

[Asker]

The war started 45 years ago.

[jahaims]

We are only in Iran because of brics

[Asker]

BRICs is a joke. Every country in it is a basket case.