How the hell can Jews be "Occupying" Palestine when there were Jews living there almost 2,000 years before Islam even existed?

[RingOfFire]

Please people... EDUCATE YORSELF and don't believe the garbage you hear from the civilization hating Democrats or their propaganda media. They RELY on YOUR ignorance to do their evil bidding. Seek the TRUTH and REJECT THEM!
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The first Jewish people (Israelites) emerged in the land historically called Palestine around 1200 BCE, while the religion of Islam was founded in the early 7th century CE (around 610 CE).

Timeline and Historical Context
The First Jewish Presence (c. 1200 BCE): Archeological evidence and historical texts place the origins of the Israelites (the ancestors of the Jewish people) in the Land of Israel/Canaan—the region later named Palestine by the Romans—during the Late Bronze Age and Early Iron Age. The earliest known extra-biblical mention of "Israel" in the region is found on the Merneptah Stele, an ancient Egyptian stone inscription dating to approximately 1208 BCE.

The Foundation of Islam (c. 610 CE): Islam was founded in the Arabian Peninsula (modern-day Saudi Arabia) when the Prophet Muhammad received his first revelations in Mecca. By his death in 632 CE, Islam had unified the region, and it expanded into the Levant (including Palestine) shortly after, during the Muslim conquest of the region in 637 CE.

Key Differences in OriginGeographical Origin: Judaism originated directly within the Southern Levant (the land later called Palestine). Islam originated in the Hejaz region of the Arabian Peninsula and spread to Palestine a few decades later.

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Time Separation: There is a span of roughly 1,800 years between the emergence of the first Jewish communities in the region and the birth of Islam.

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[strateguy632]

it is all tricky words. a. arabs lived in jordan and British palestine. they changed their name to palestinians around 1960 with those famous PLO hijacking planes to take hostages. when israel reclaimed the west bank those jordanians changed to palestinians too.

b. the words they use are just to trigger people: i. e. jews actually suffered genocide so they use 'the word genocide' to falsely accuse jews.

c. the muslim conquest actually occupied vast regions but nobody made protests: 'end the occupation.' like you said the word occupy is wrong.

d. the arabs have 'squatter rights' the 'cop out' said to avoid homelessness increasing! so israel included arabs in its government bodies called 'memshala and knesset'. the claim 'arabs and their ancestors were born there' is admitting guilt they trespassed. and despite that israel did not exclude them.

e. unless they voted for palestinian authority then they can't also vote in israel. same as a Canadian can't but arabs can vote and be 'senators' like mk or mp! so 'apart' is a false accsation too. all just tricky words.

f. the real problems are minor so they use the inaccurate fancy words instead.

[TonyMetal___1986]

This is the land of the jews, plus everyone is welcomed there, i saw many videos about tourists going there and they were all happy and treated with respect!

[RingOfFire]

I've been there and it is an INCREDIBLE place. Absolutely beautiful what the Israelis have done to take it out of the stoneage it is surrounded by and turn it into a modern, clean, beautiful, oasis in the desert. A tourists paradise and a fascinating place that welcomes anyone who isn't trying to destroy it.

[TonyMetal___1986]

It's a sacred land!

[strateguy632]

true and they bothered to put signs in arabic and English not only hebrews

[choco-latte]

The main thing is that Palestinians have largely indigenous roots to the land they and their ancestors have lived in for thousands of years as well, religion aside. They’re probably even descendants of Jews who stayed there and converted to Christianity and Islam. They don’t come from Arabia.

[RingOfFire]

Okay, nobody, least of all Israel deny that. But Israel is not "occupying" anyone else's land. They have thousands of years more claim to that land than Muslims do AND they acquired the land 100% legally through purchases from Egypt (which gladly sold them a piece of baron desert) and being legally granted some of it by an internationally recognized and authorized body. It is THEIR LAND both morally AND legally. It is Muslims who are trying to occupy the land that belongs to the Jews, not the other way around. Israel took no ones land. The few Muslims that were there when modern Israel legally acquired that land were welcomed and encouraged to stay but they left. Why? Because the Arab countries told them to leave so they could kill all the Jews in Israel and then they could return. Many of them did just that hoping the Jews would be killed. Instead, outnumbered 100 to one, the Jews kicked the Arabs asses and only THEN refused to let those who left return after being attacked day after day after day by Islamic terrorists.

Those Muslims who stayed in Israel, who make up about 20% of the Israeli population enjoy the same freedoms, rights and benefits as any other Israeli.

The ENTIRE narrative about Jews in Israel being the ones in the wrong is COMPLETELY THE OPPOSITE from the truth.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tu-5xxZJxmA

[RingOfFire]

Now that Israel tool that 99% empty sliver of baron desert and turned it into a beautiful oasis with one of the most successful economies in the world, all of a sudden the Arabs wanted it back.

It doesn't work that way!

[RingOfFire]

You may already know this but you can click on the picture to enlarge and read it if you like.

[FrodoSkywalker007]

Even some Hamas leadership acknowledges "Palestinians" are not native to the land.
www.algemeiner.com/.../

[choco-latte]

@FrodoSkywalker007 Hamas are Arab nationalists, they cling to Arab identity before anything else. Most Palestinians score largely native Levantine with varying Egyptian and minor Arabian peninsula.

[choco-latte]

I don’t think anyone with a right mind denies that Jews are native to Israel as well. Well, maybe some antisemites. Most people just have a problem with their government. It’s a very complex situation precisely because of all of this, yes Judaism has more historic roots in modern day Israel than Islam but the problem is that the two native identities to the land have very different cultures, ideologies and religions and both are telling the other that they don’t belong.

[FrodoSkywalker007]

I don't disagree.
My opinion on the conflict is that Israel has more claim to the territory than "Palestine"
They are also the most westernized nation in the region. It's Israel that leftists should support if they truly care about the issues they claim to care about

[Cidknee]

And the thing is they are welcomed by the Jew and treated better than how other Arabs treat them. But the religion drives them to attack the Jew.

[RingOfFire]

@Cidknee

Exactly so.

[Cidknee]

Yes, and there was one named Jacob and Israel who came to this land and he slept on a rock on temple mount area. He dreamed of angels and ladders. Oh, I guess about 500 years earlier than the arrival of the fairly recently freed Hebrew.

[RingOfFire]

Then there was the Jewish guy named Jesus!

[Cidknee]

He came about two thousand years after Jacob's grandad, Abraham.

[strateguy632]

to @Cidknee yes and jacob family lived there and purchased land too.

[Cidknee]

That they did.

[FrodoSkywalker007]

Ask our friend @ThinkerShell
He seems to imply it doesn't matter.

[FrodoSkywalker007]

This is what you get for
1. Running from debate
2. Trying to save face by calling me out again
3. Ignoring my kindness of resorting to dm as you requested.

I take debate seriously.
Calling me "kid" or the "you don't understand anything" while refusing to answer simple questions is not accepted.
You asked for this by calling me out, while hiding away (which i accepted) for 2 weeks.

[RingOfFire]

Why am I not surprised that he treated you that way. That's what leftist thugs who cannot win debates on the merits do.

[FrodoSkywalker007]

@RingOfFire check out his question about the Iran war. I posted all over it, and he consistently ignored my questions.

I was even going easy on him, asking a logical question instead of immediately providing receipts.

He refused to answer for nearly 2 weeks. I even messaged him privately (as he implied he wanted) and haven't received a response for 8 days.

Yet, he decided to answer in a thread on his question that called me out.

It was a bad choice.
Especially for someone that claims to be an Iranian and minority supporter of the regime

[RingOfFire]

You don't have to convince me that you are the one who is in the right and he is the one who is off base. It was clear from his post he is a reality denier and refuses to let facts get in the way of his anti-Semitic agenda.

[FrodoSkywalker007]

@RingOfFire Here is his question
In the Iran–US–Israel conflict, which side seems more justified? ↗

You will notice he was humiliated at every corner, ignored me for a while, then started talking about me on the thread.

[ThinkerShell]

Good question
Iranian were living in Kuwait since 2700 years ago
Is it ok if we invade there by military?

[RingOfFire]

Yes, there is no parallel. Unlike Iran, the most terrorist nation on the planet, Israel is not committing acts of terrorism on every continent on a daily basis.

[RingOfFire]

Catchin' on yet kid?

[FrodoSkywalker007]

@RingOfFire exactly correct.
There have been 100s of attacks on US assets on the region, and this ignore that the majority of Iranian targets are not American. The neighboring nations suffer far worse.

Israel on the other hand is very defensive in its actions against governments and groups that openly call for its extermination.

[RingOfFire]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tN1MkAGuVyY

[FrodoSkywalker007]

Exactly! 100%
I don't see the IRGC doing this @ThinkerShell
Instead they kill 10s thousands of their own people on the street.

[RingOfFire]

Islam is not compatible with ANY civilized culture because unlike Judaism and Christianity, one of its central foundations is to wage war and murder non-believers who refuse to convert.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I_To-cV94Bo

[FrodoSkywalker007]

Also correct. We see these problems in Europe now. It's sad. Eventually people will wake up.

[RingOfFire]

It is the early stages of Islams second invasion of Europe. And Europe is capitulating without a fight.

[FrodoSkywalker007]

You are right sadly. Though we see some positives. Reform UK for example. Europe still has a chance. It just needs a significant cultural change. Eastern Europe recognizes this, just not the West. I blame much of this on Marxism. Its easy for Islamists to play the victim role and get their way.

[RingOfFire]

I'm definitely not going to call you kid, instead I am marveling at the amount of wisdom you have acquired in only 25 years and as a member of a generation that has been raised on anti-Western propaganda, historical revisionism and fantasy science instead of facts, logic and reality.

[FrodoSkywalker007]

I appreciate that. Luckily I attended a private university and was closeted from much of that. It also helps that I studied history, so these are topics where I am very well informed.

[RingOfFire]

Well I think it is clear you did SOMETHING right.

But the university isn't necessarily it.

I graduated an IVY and took two American history courses from a "world renowned" Harvard American history professor. This was back in the 80s. I never heard such fantasy history in my life. I was in shock. It was so anti-American that I thought I was in an alternate universe. It was that which opened my eyes to what was going on in the colleges and the transition of the curriculum that was turning decisively against America's interests. I could not believe what I was hearing. I learned a tremendous amount from those courses, but not about American history so much as about the infiltration of the American educational system by America's enemies from both without and within. It was the early stages of the transition of the Democratic party to its current state of socialists and communists.

[FrodoSkywalker007]

It I'd scary once you recognize the infiltration from foreign actors
Take this report from MSNOW (a very liberal group). Qatar lobbies 3x more than Israel, and is the number 1 foreign funder of US education.
Yet we freak out about Israel lobbying?

'Raises a lot of questions': Qatar has spent nearly $100B in the U. S. to gain influence: Report / MS NOW
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iyGW1KiB4eE

I've seen claims its far higher than what is listed. Imagine a nation like Qatar influencing US curriculum.
The things like "Queers foe Palestine" make more sense. Qatar may not support gay, or be classicsly Marxist, but they would realize the desire for an anti western mindset.