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It has nothing to do with that, cause nearly all women will not reject a guy who is a self proclaimed nice guy if she thinks he is good looking. The whole not liking self proclaiming nice guys as more than friends should be''not liking a self proclaimed nice guy that is not good looking as more than friends.''
Any woman who dates a guy only because he looks attractive to her is probably a woman who gets into a lot of bad relationships. The attractive guy should have a personality that the girl likes too.
I never said a woman will get involved with a good looking guy that is a jerk, I am saying most would get involved with good looking guys that are nice, even the ones that are too nice, even though they claim they don't like guys that are self proclaimed nice guys, pushovers, etc. yet they give an exception to the good looking guy. Most women in their teens and women in their early twenties are like that
What I say is truth.
This again? Why is there a myTake on the Friendzone like every month?
As I said on the one many months ago...
Getting friendzoned just simply means that she didn't like you back. If she did, you wouldn't be friendzoned!
It's a fallacy, to think you can manipulate yourself out of the friendzone. You can't. It just happens if it's meant to be.
There are also couples that started as friends. Those were meant to be, so they eventually evolved into a couple.
Yes there will always be cry babies but those are just a small part of the pond. There's more to this in general. First of all that when me and my friends talk about nice/bad guys. We're mostly just pointing at the fact that a "bad guy" has and shows more attractive traits. And the fact that "douchy" behavior is way more effective than the behaviour that is "being nice" (opening doors? sounds more like ass kissing. The worst part is when that person expects "things" after the kissing).
Women that make it their life's duty to complain about "nice guys" are just as bitter as the "nice guys" themselves. If I see a girl who makes it her life's priority to endless whine about "nice guys", then I will avoid her, and so should any other guy if he knows whats good for him.
I think it goes both ways, most of the girls I've turned down politely appeared to be nice at first but went all out vengeful and talked shit behind my back, hell even some girls who rejected me talked shit when I just simply walked away and stopped chasing
Girls can be mean too. There are also some women who think they can talk shit to their boyfriend just because she knows he loves her. It's wrong and there are women who can not take rejection. You are right. I can not stand women like that
"Friendzone", "nice guy" etc. are just lame excuses. 'Love" is just an overrated piece of crap, and has "cheap shit" written all over it. People changing partners as often as changing clothes, and getting divorced left and right, is proof of this.
Love isn't overrated.
@Bards Love means something else to women than it does to men. To men, loving someone means making sacrifices to support and cultivate someone else and to improve the quality of their lives. To women, love is the squishy feeling they get in their gut when men make these sacrifices for them.
Love is something men DO and something women FEEL.
That's why so many men think love is bullshit and so many women don't. It's a one-way street. You only don't think it's overrated because you're on the beneficial end of it.
Its because they are not getting what they want.
Thats why they think its bullshit
Literally every single guy I've met who complained about being rejected and that he doesn't get it because he's a "nice guy" was a fucking asshole.
Self absorbed, bitter, entitled asshole.
What if you are a "bad guy" do girls still want that? I think guys complain about the friend zone stuff because they want things to progress quickly. They want to get in a girl's pants as quickly as possible. I just don't even worry about it. If the girl wants to fuck she'll ask. I tell what I want and that's it. No need to whine and bitch about zones or w/e.
Yup...
True.
But guys will never admit to this. And will always blame the girls for 'rejecting' them.
Awwww poor little 'all is in words and I'm afraid of girls' babies.
you know one think still men are the one who approach first in most of the case.
@truthistruth1 Hahaha Have yet to see that happen in real life. xD
you girls don't approach as much as and don't get rejections as much as we so you can't talk about our things since you even can attempt it.
@truthistruth1 I've asked men out plenty of times. I'm not a coward like most men. =)
not asking after get into the relation before it. and you know the truth that most girls don't ask first.
Too bad I don't know how dating game works also I have no idea attracting the opposite sex. I don't mind being laughed by my friends behind my back for being a virgin and loser. It's to good be single forever ang give up on women. I realized that being nice is not enough to make girls attracted to me, so I stop being nice and I have cold treatment to girls, I still appreciate woman's beauty though I don't have enough reason to make a move
There is a difference between been a nice guy and been a "butt kisser" and I think girls at the end of the day are looking for a guy that isn't a jerk neither a "butt kisser". It's interesting that most end up whit a jerk, maybe there is another thing that attracts them, a little bit of confidence, arrogance and self love. 3 elements that "butt kissers don't have and jerks do just that in excess.
I generally don't think "nice guy" when a guy says it actually means what the words imply. And anyway, when i think of guys that i am attracted to, "nice" isn't at the top of that list. I expect them to be respectful and have some manners, but really that's a pretty damn low bar to hit. I also expect things on top of that and that's where "nice guys" fall apart.
Poor nice guys. So clueless. So friendzoned.
Seriously, dating is easy. Being nice means shit. Sexiness is all that matters (well, a little more than that if you want a relationship... But what sap wants that, lol?) Show a woman that you will take her to the bedroom and plow her.
It's all about fucking, push comes to shove.
Is this seriously true? I know friendzone is a polite way of saying "No sex zone"
@louwill
What I wrote? Yes. Make your intentions clear right up front, make her understand that you will fucking plow her, fucked like she's never been fucked (imply it. Innuendo is fun and sexy, outright saying it isn't).
If you're honest and charming, you'll have women riding your cock basically at will. You can basically say "bend over" and you'll get to ram your cock between her legs.
What about if you get told you're nice and don't self proclaim if but still struggle? I don't go around saying I'm nice but I get told that a lot and I have a feeling people who are told they're nice get lumped into the pseudo nice guys or creeps, stalkers, weird, insecure category.
Yea that's a double standard. Sometimes the people that we think we want aren't really the people we want maybe we just like the idea of being with them or see it as a challenge
I agreed with most of what you said, but not this:
"If nice guys feel a girl should fall in love with him in return then that guy is not a nice guy"
Being a naive doesn't mean he is not a nice guy, it means he is naive.
Any men who claims they are a nice guy and wonders why they can't get a girlfriend who gets angry and bashes a woman for rejecting him or friend zoning him is not a nice guy. If a guy feels a girl is obligated to love him in return or to go on a date simply because he is nice that's not a nice guy
It's the whole idea of a self proclaimed nice guy guilt tripping for not dating him after she shows no interest in dating him. That's manipulative and a man who does that is not nice
Being naive and stupid doesn't mean not nice, or there wouldn't be any nice girls in world.
Again I never said all nice guys are stupid or naive, you said that. That's obviously how you feel women see you. Make better choices in women
I didn't say I felt like that, you said it.
I am saying the statement "If nice guys feel a girl should fall in love with him in return then that guy is not a nice guy" is incorrect.
Assuming you have a right to have sex with me just because you were nice to me is not nice, it is naive but it also is absolutely not nice.
To FEEL a girl should fall in LOVE with him is not the same as claiming a RIGHT to SEX.
Doing or believing something not nice, is not the same not being a nice person, major difference.
If you expect sex or a date or love in return for being nice you and you get angry when she is with some one else and you bad mouth her how does that make you a nice guy?
Getting angry and bad mouth is something different again, but my point is nice guy or not is never based on one fact, feature or act, nice or not is defined by the persons general attitude, values etc.. Nobody is perfect, as
as I said, otherwise there wouldn't be any nice girls in world either.
Most self-professed nice guys were raised by single women and never learned how to be men, so they think it's their duty to shower a woman with love and affection all the time and let her walk all over him, acting as if being her lap dog is what she wants, then wonders why she goes for the guy holding the leash instead.
I blame single mothers for this epidemic, and I blame the internet for allowing these losers a forum to discuss their troubles.
While men who were raised by their fathers screw women over. Hmm...
In a person's life, there should always be a balance, especially in upbringing.
An individual needs a mother and father figure to be raised properly.
@youknowitt Lol? That was a poor attempt at duality.
When did I say that a motherless home was ideal? I think you need to work on letting your emotions get the better of you, especially when going as far as to put words in other people's mouths. Just because your knee jerks doesn't mean you have to yelp.
Realistically a woman will never able to raise a man like a man can. Why do you think so many children of fatherless homes join gangs?
Look at it this way... how did the home become fatherless? Why, it's because there was a man who walked away.
It's just a dumb cycle.
You should have nothing against most single mothers who strive hard to raise their children on their own.
My mother's one of them. Most of the time, it's the father to blame because they think so high of themselves.
@youknowitt You're removing all responsibility and humanity from men when you say things like that as if it's his duty to put up with, say, an unloving, horrendous wife 'for the kids' instead of seeking happiness elsewhere.
How did the home become fatherless? Many reasons when not ruling out ungrateful wife, cheating wife, miserable life, unplanned pregnancy, loss of custody, etc.
Oh? Why shouldn't I? You act as if single mothers who are stuck with their children are some unsung heroes with no knowledge of how they became single, only that they are single and they kept their kids. I can have problems with single mothers and them be logical; I treat people as individuals and understand common trends instead of just seeing summat and forming an opinion off of my bias.
I don't care that your dad left you. My mom left me; You aren't special.
You're removing all responsibility from the mother*
Ohh i see... That's why we're clashing completely. I'n sorry.
Let's put it at this. Mothers and fathers can makhorrible mistakes.
Both sides are capable of cheating, sometimes put theirselves in miserable situations, and some just aren't strong enough to fulfill their duty of being a responsible parent.
There's always that one parent who's given all the responsibilities and attempt to fill both roles in a child's life. A great example of those courageous few are your dad and my mom.
We all come from different paths in life, and I'lll just end with this...
Let's just try not to repeat the mistakes our parents made, and hopefully raise our children better than the last generation of children.
We're not clashing because we're the reverse of each other. I'm not attempting to defend a motherless home out of spite for my mother's actions; Men without a father figure in their life do poorly in life, it's just a fact.
Fatherless homes create pussy/unstable men; Most murderers come from fatherless homes. All these nice guy types are typically from single mother households; It's an observation. I don't need a pep talk, so spare it for someone struggling.
@Nuqood although some nice guys were raised by single mother households, nice guys are also born from overly strict fathers and passive, co-dependent fathers.
Very true @Scrambledagain, and I am well aware of those exceptions, but I still feel that the vast majority of nice guys are bred from over-bearing, enabling, single mothers.
Your logic is flawed. All of the nice guys I know all came from happy homes, both parents stayed together happily married to this day, and yes they are all first marriages. You seem to be making one of the same mistake that the take owner is making, assuming that nice is code for doormat. It is not they are two separate things.
Perhaps those raised by single mothers are doormats, or not, I honestly don't know anyone who was personally. Do you have any proof of this claim?
@youknowitt "While men who were raised by their fathers screw women over. " Since children raised by single fathers are so much rarer, I assume you have SOME form of evidence to back up your claim, as opposed to simply trying to slander single fathers because you felt that the Opinion owner was slandering single mothers?
@genuinlysensitive the mistake you make is assuming all women think nice guys are doormats. If you read my take I pointed out the fact that girls do like nice guys
Take that from someone who can't even spell genuinely the right way. :p Evidence? Look around you. You lived longer man. @genuinlysensitive
Asker I didn't say all women think that, I said YOU think that. You should work on your reading comprehension.
@youknowitt So that's a no on the proof and you were just lashing out because you didn't like what you read? Good to know.
@genuinlysensitive I said "SELF-PROFESSED", meaning those little dweebs in the fedoras who ARE doormats thinking that anything short of doormat is being an 'asshole' so no, my logic isn't flawed based around that.
@genuinlysensitive it's pretty obvious my take struck a nerve in you because you keep commenting on almost everyone's opinion. You need to learn how to read my take properly before you come to conclusions and nitpick and choose one thing to be mad at. Again you are assuming things about me and you and the opinion owner sound immature and need to stop assuming things
Lol the immaturity card.
I've exposed you twice now, and I think it'd be in your best interest and everyone who interacts with you to learn how to take criticism and understand that people don't have to agree with everything you say, especially when you say stupid things.
How can you honestly say that we're assuming things of you when you've clearly displayed them? "I'm not protecting single mothers but I am going to let you guys know that my mother is a single mother after stating that single fathered sons treat women like shit".
If I called you a brat and then said you're assuming I think you're a brat, you'd think I was insane, too. When you outright say something, it's no longer an assumption.
Actually I made a typo I did not mean to Mention you the opinion owner but since you want to call me stupid maybe you should know there is a difference between criticism and exposing someone
I wrote this take so I can get opposing views I did not think I would get a bunch of butthurt men acting immature without logical arguments. I never assumed all men acted this way
I didn't call you stupid, but I did say you say stupid things (Example: making rape jokes, gay implications, and accusing me of misogyny in your opposite gender thread). Please elaborate on how we're being illogical without it pertaining to your feelings getting hurt. and how we're butthurt for addressing your bullshit like we'd do if we were talking to another man. You've had absolutely no substance behind what you've said thus far, and I really want you to have some this time.
"you and the opinion owner sound immature" Wow, what a typo! I wonder what you meant to write instead of 'the opinion owner'. I know you like to do a holier than thou 'you've misunderstood me' routine when you're backed into a corner, realize though that I'm not like these other men who won't call you out on it.
You just called me out on it and you are just as immature as these other men. I never said you could not have an opposing opinion but don't put words in my mouth and assume things. I never portrayed myself as holier than thou. You got 2 downvotes from men and 3 downvotes from women. You don't really have anyone on your side
How did you back me into a corner? You are childish and upset
Come back when you actually have substance instead of assuming things about me and getting mad at things happening in your head. I don't care what you want
You are free to have your own opinion but at least be mature about it instead of personally attacking me. That was rude childish and uncalled for little boy
Cool, 5 people on the internet disagree with me. That's life; I'm OK with people not agreeing with me since I know there isn't one worldview. How do I know I've backed you into a corner? Well, let's see.. what with all the ad hominem attacks revolving around how I'm 'immature' and 'childish', the claims of being butthurt for engaging in a discussion and having opposing views, hmm...
See, what you're doing right now is setting up barriers. You're trying to change the framework from 'debate about doormat men' to 'two grown men being immature, childish, throwing insults, and picking on a woman' to try and garner sympathetic attention. You aren't going to do that, though, which is why I say you're backed into a corner right now and I can see through your crap.
I didn't call you stupid, you're just mixing my words for your own benefit. I know exactly what you're doing.
Hah, calling me a little boy and saying I'm the one making personal attacks against you. Who exactly are you trying to sell this to, me or yourself?
Cheers for parroting me by the way with the substance line, I'm flattered you liked that enough to copy it.
For someone who calls my take stupid your spelling sure is bad. It's just ironic lol. It is your opinion that I'm backed into a corner but that does not mean that it's true. You were the one who said you were not like those other guys which is funny. you contradict yourself frequently everytime you reply. People have opposing views? I'm glad you figured that out for yourself. It seems like you can't have a debate with someone or discuss things with me without insulting me so this conversation is over. Have a good day.
Going out with a bang, I see.
Thank god replies can't be deleted so everyone can see what a little baby you are.
Wait.. "You were the one who said you were not like those other guys which is funny. you contradict yourself frequently everytime you reply" What? When did I say that? Are you confusing me with that one bloke who replied? I'm Nuqood, the opinion owner. You can tell by the way it says Opinion Owner in blue.
Thank you for proving my point. You lack any logical argument so you resort to insulting me. Grow up
Are you trolling me right now? I feel trolled.
@youknowitt Nice try going anonymous.
How about you stop replying? Didn't you just say I was lying about confusing you for someone else and you accused me of being holier than thou? Ha ha. You can't be serious just get off my take
According to you I was doing a routine though even though I told you it was a genuine mistake. You keep proving my point over and over again. Starting mess when I'm trying to be the bigger person
You're right, I don't need to be here any longer to prove my point. You're doing a great job at holding the fort down.
You are not that smart are you lol
Don't be here
Replying that you don't need to be here is still being here what part of don't reply do you not understand?
FINALLY! My first time being semi-involved in a GAG battle. I knew this shitty day would come.
@youknowitt on my old account before I deleted it I use to be an active member for a while and it's not uncommon for men to attack women randomly and even harass women in their inbox. The harassment of women has increased or so I heard. The men are taking it too far. When I was on here it use to be just butthurt basement douchebags but I saw a female user complain that a guy threatened to kill her
Pointing out glaring flaws and inaccuracies in your arguments isn't attacking. If you think someone who corrects you every time you say something wrong, you must have a huge victim complex.
@genuinlysensitive I have no problem with criticism. Please look up the definition of victim complex before you just type just to to be typing. Don't embarrass yourself kid
I'm actually Engaged :)
Even though you are upset at my opinions there really is no need to personally attack me and insult me. Apparently you can't deal with giving an opposing view without verbally attacking the person. That's messed up. I hope you get the help that you Need and maybe you will not be single forever
You have issues. The fact that my opinions made you so mad to the point that you have to call me a bitch shows how hostile you are and how much a mean person you are
Just stop replying to mytake if you are going to turn this into a childish cuss out. Whatever is making you bitter needs to be left out of this conversation. It's not my fault you choose the wrong women. I already reported you.
Why do you believe that a woman is defined by get relationship status? So you think all single women are miserable and hate men. That's a really stupid generalization
You don't know what you are talking about. You are getting hostile so this conversation needs to end. You are taking it too personal and you need to stop harassing me
So you're just making things up now, really?
Its not like you can be proven wrong in 2 seconds by reading the posts or anything.
@genuinlysensitive and @nuqood stop spamming my post
@nuqood you are not pointing out any flaws at this point you are just insulting me by calling me a bitch based on your feelings getting hurt. At this point you have no logical arguments. Stop harassing me.
I never made a question about you two. I simply asked you stop coming on here harassing me. You keep calling me a bitch and trolling mytake. It's getting annoying. I have nothing to gain from lying on you just to violate the terms of service. You two are trolls and are definitely not worth it. Really just stop it's not cool to keep harassing people just because you want to argue because you have no life. You insulted me first. I'm not sure why you keep continuing to attack me for no reason. You keep assuming things about me. I'm not a troll. I hate trolls.
I'm anonymous. Why would I message you? I don't want you two knowing my username so you can harass me and write bitter questions about how much you hate women. I blocked you both.
@genuinlysensitive making up what? I'm pretty sure you don't know me
Wow you are just a lonely pathetic internet thug.
Here's another pic for you!
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usually the guys who keep saying I'm a nice guy I'm a nice guy are actually the opposite and they backstab you.
If a guy was truly a nice guy they wouldn't have to keep saying it
they would just be...
Naturally I'm nice (got rejected by 12 girls)
Then I tried acting bad (got rejected by more girls)
So I learned to accept life as a single man now I reject every girl even if I like her I still reject her to get back at girls from the past (even though the new girls have nothing to do with the past)😋
Oh goodie another woman who confuses being nice with "demanding" sex or just being a doormat.
Then she wonders why all the guys she dates are assholes, and treat her like shit.
You nailed it! Many women think any man who treats them with kindness and proper respect is a doormat who thinks he's entitled to sex! It's a very foolish idea that women are quick to project on a man at the drop of a hat!
You don't even know me, that's like the pot calling the kettle black. You accuse me of assuming all nice guys are demanding yet you just assumed things about me in your answer. Please read your answer over and realize how hypocritical it sounds
@circlebill you just date the wrong women
I did that because you do assume all nice guys are like that, you kind of said it yourself, the whole mytake thing. You do remember that right? Its right up there in case you forgot everything you wrote. Its not an assumption when you actually say something. Especially in writing.
@circlebill Right on bro!
My take was actually directed towards men who are in the friend zone who blame women for everything. Also it was directed towards guys who always say they are nice yet will bash a women for not wanting him. It was not directed towards all men. You only see what you want to see. I hope you read better soon
Just all men who are nice guys. So that women avoid nice guys and only go for assholes. I can read fine, stop insulting your reader's intelligence.
It's hard for me to insult your intelligence when you have a lack of intelligence. You are trying to start something that's not even there. You are just arguing for the sake of arguing and falsely accusing me of something that is going on in your head
And you wonder why women don't want to date you. Maybe stop assuming all women hate nice guys and want to take advantage of you. You attract what you are
No one is begging you to like my opinions but don't act bitter. It is possible to state your opinion without coming across as bitter and angry at all women
I'm not assuming all women do. Just some like you. And unfortunately you insist on spreading lies like this in hopes of demonizing men who actually treat women with respect and altruism.
You know nice guys.
I never bashed all men. In my article it says that women do like nice guys. You keep repeating the same thing. You also keep putting words in my mouth. It's not about what gender has it worse that's victimization. And I never demonized men. You are acting immature. There's a way to get your opinion across without falsely accusing me of things and throwing a tantrum.
An opinion is not a lie. So how am I lying?
You keep going in circles. Just spit it out. You keep trying to accuse me of something I'm not doing and you keep digging yourself deep into a hole. You must be the type of guy that I'm talking about. You probably think you are a nice guy but as soon as a girl you liked turned you down you hate all women.
Ok one more time:
1. Never said it was all men you were bashing just nice guys.
2. I'm not falsely accusing you of anything. Although I'm beggining to think you didn't even wright this ridiculous take, as you seem to not know anything contained in it.
And I don't hate all women. It seems YOU are the one attempting to put words in MY mouth.
I wrote it and I have no problem with opposing opinions. I actually wrote this for opposing opinions, not men who whine like you. I know what I wrote. I wish you would stop repeating yourself
You have been saying I don't know what I wrote like 3 times
Opposing opinions? Anyone who offers an opposing opinion is insulted by you.
You don't care about facts or reality you just want to insult people.
Ok if you believe that then stop replying to mytake it's not that hard
Ill stop responding as soon as you stop insulting me.
And grneralizing men in general.
I never insulted you. At this point you are just harassing me. I never generalized all men