No. Modernity has lowered the value of relationships by making independence easier than ever. On the other hand, the economy in some modernized parts of the world is such that lots of young adults can't even move out of their parents' houses! Funny enough, both scenarios are conducive to singlehood, albeit for different reasons XD
Hookups may have already been around for a long time but now they're in the palm of your hand by simply downloading an app, which takes the fun away, it's just a normal thing nowadays.
Absolutely. a lot of people join those dating apps looking for different things such as life time partners, flings. Friends. But wen they end up matching they dont attract. N over time slowly but surely people start to stereotype every guy/girl they meet simply bc of past experiences they had. Wouldn't say its destroying but its definitely making things harder for people to connect with good people.
That may not be the best analogy considering the easy availability of sugar has contributed to an epidemic of obesity, diabetes and other health problem.
Should people eat so much sugar just because it is easily available? Obviously not, but they still do. The same might be said about the fact that casual sex is easy to find today than in the past.
Men and women are feeling this way. I honestly believe incels exist because of it. People need affection. They need to feel love and trust in their lives. Men and women just can't trust and love each other anymore... its all about getting a good. orgasm.
Hook ups have always been around but dating websites have made sex like a meat market and people want to skip the efforts that go into a relationship. So yes it is getting harder to find true love and hookups are a gamble generally over half of the time a hook up is temporary and does not lead to a lifetime partner.
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The culture made it easier to find people that want no-strings sex. If they were happy in a relationship then they wouldn’t stray.. in theory. But I believe it’s a combo of ill fitting relationships, access to hookup apps and people not being monogamous
Yes it has but more than that what has really changed relationships at least in my country -india is the patriarchal culture going towards feminism made both the parties independent and now both girls and boys have their own opinion and because of that strong and rigid opinion they don't come on the same ground more than often
It's destroying the fabric of our society by destroying the family. This dysfunction is largely responsible for our low birth rates. People can't form decent relationships with nothing out there but a bunch of damaged goods.
That's very true we are putting things together that makes no sense in to today's age.. I personally think relationships were easier to understand back then (not that it did not happen) but you were able to tell if a women likes you by her actions her laugh and her kiss at the end of the night. It meant your dating now. But in today's age you can freaking sleep with them on a daily basis and she will still wonder if your together..
@xkildy The thing is, hook up "culture" has always existed, with the only difference that back in the day it was underground. There was too much taboo about it so people did it secretly. Now it's all in the open, and that's the only significant difference to back then.
You're right that dating was much easier to understand back then. No doubt. But that doesn't mean it was overall better. It may have been better for some, but it was definitely worse for others. People are now more free when it comes to dating, so I don't see how that's a bad thing.
Oh I totally agree, it did happen it was called prostitution back then.. 🙈🙈🙈 It's the 70 s all over again but with more STDs. I don't get how people can just find someone to sleep with (yes I have done it ) more then once.. how about doing it this way... If you like them enough to want to F them... Talk it out with them tell them what you want ask them what they want then go with it... That way your not hooking up with a new girl or boy a few times a week wondering if they had anything or were they even aware they did? ... Stick with the same girl you know there clean and fun and safe... That's simple easy less complex... And if fellings grow perfect..
@xkildy "Oh I totally agree, it did happen it was called prostitution back then.." - Now you make no sense. I'm not talking about prostitution. The topic here is hooking up, as in - two grown ups having casual sex with each other because they *both* want to. Not for money. Got nothing to do with prostitution. And I'm saying that people have always had casual sex, just that back in the day they did it more secretly because it was more of a taboo then.
"I don't get how people can just find someone to sleep with (yes I have done it ) more then once.." - That's okay if you don't get it. Other do get it.
"how about doing it this way... If you like them enough to want to F them... Talk it out with them tell them what you want ask them what they want then go with it..." - Then go ahead and do that, if that's what you want.
No hookup culture has arisen because of the relationship culture being destroyed mostly because of girls playing mind games with guys and guys resisting initiating a relationship. So no one goes anywhere they go to hookup.
It's common knowledge for anyone who has studied history. In those days there were no condoms or birth control pills. More people believed in no sex before marriage. Get your dumb head out of your ass.
That's not how facts work mah boi. You can't just pull some shit out of your ass and say 'it's common knowledge'. If you claim something and can't back it up it's a bs claim.
Because any moron with even half a brain who has studied a bit of history knows that this is true. Prove to me that men in general are physically stronger than women. You dumb fuck.
It's easy to prove that men are generally stronger than women by looking at mean muscle mass between men and women. Consider some other important details like sample size and bingo bango bongo you got yourself some very reliable statistics. The only way to measure the amount of people cheating is by self reporting and that in itself isn't a very reliable statistical tool. If you had anything to back your claim up I could at least have a look at it but prefer to get all emotional and angry and throw insults at me. Anyway as long as a positive claim isn't backed up the negative can be considered true. Just like in this case :)
Because all you have to do is do a history lesson, find out people's beliefs in those days, look at the culture of those days, the morality and people's attitudes towards sex and marriage etc. It's not rocked science, you thick dimwit.
I'm guessing you don't know much about working with historical sources or you would know not to take them at face value like that. Anyway, this 'debate' isn't fruitful at all since all you're doing is reiterating the same irrelevant point over and over again and burying it in insults. I'm out mah Boi.
@Iron_Man200 Of course men of equal size of a woman are stronger. Testosterone and other hormones give them more muscle mass and strength than a woman has unless she is a body builder. A guy could punch a woman out very easily. If a woman was stronger they would not be raped so easily. Also you wouldn't be Iron_Man, more like Wuss_Man.
Guys, everybody please calm down. We are here to discuss, not for fight. Firstly, liz you can do a google search and find some relevant information or surveys there. Next, ironman you aren't explaining things correctly. And Daniel, i can't get what you exactly want to say. Now the main thing is that, in the past, there were hookups but the number wasn't as high as today. The reason is lesser number of interactions. These days, dating apps, websites and much more stuff like this has drastically increased the number of interactions between poeple. So, more hookups are there. Just imagine, someone is in a relationship. It is very easy for that person to make an account on a dating app without putting huge physical efforts, find someone to meet and maybe have sex. As simple as that. Can everyone understand now?
Hook ups are easier to obtain, no one is debating that. This discussion is about whether or not people cheat more in today's society and although cheating might be made easier that doesn't mean that people are more inclined to cheat. That's what this is about. And I won't go looking for research that iron man needs to prove his point. That's his job.
I don't think so. I think people have hooked up (i. e. cheated) for as long as there have been people. Sometimes it's hard to ignore when a sexy person starts showing interest in us.
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No. Modernity has lowered the value of relationships by making independence easier than ever. On the other hand, the economy in some modernized parts of the world is such that lots of young adults can't even move out of their parents' houses! Funny enough, both scenarios are conducive to singlehood, albeit for different reasons XD
Hookups may have already been around for a long time but now they're in the palm of your hand by simply downloading an app, which takes the fun away, it's just a normal thing nowadays.
Absolutely. a lot of people join those dating apps looking for different things such as life time partners, flings. Friends. But wen they end up matching they dont attract. N over time slowly but surely people start to stereotype every guy/girl they meet simply bc of past experiences they had. Wouldn't say its destroying but its definitely making things harder for people to connect with good people.
Not really. It´s like candy being readily available in stores. Doesn´t mean you have to stuff yourself full each and every day.
That may not be the best analogy considering the easy availability of sugar has contributed to an epidemic of obesity, diabetes and other health problem.
Should people eat so much sugar just because it is easily available? Obviously not, but they still do. The same might be said about the fact that casual sex is easy to find today than in the past.
@backdoorman Yes, stupid people just can´t control themselves. Same thing as casual sex.
Agreed.
Yes , it did and thats why we’re out here with trust issues lacking affection
life is shit the world was ruined and here we are writhing in this bitter brew, waiting to die...
Men and women are feeling this way. I honestly believe incels exist because of it. People need affection. They need to feel love and trust in their lives. Men and women just can't trust and love each other anymore... its all about getting a good. orgasm.
Not for the real Ladys and gentlemens out there. They dpnt get involved in that shit.
It's without a doubt done it's fair share of damage yeah.
Hook ups have always been around but dating websites have made sex like a meat market and people want to skip the efforts that go into a relationship. So yes it is getting harder to find true love and hookups are a gamble generally over half of the time a hook up is temporary and does not lead to a lifetime partner.
The culture made it easier to find people that want no-strings sex. If they were happy in a relationship then they wouldn’t stray.. in theory. But I believe it’s a combo of ill fitting relationships, access to hookup apps and people not being monogamous
Yes it has but more than that what has really changed relationships at least in my country -india is the patriarchal culture going towards feminism made both the parties independent and now both girls and boys have their own opinion and because of that strong and rigid opinion they don't come on the same ground more than often
It's destroying the fabric of our society by destroying the family. This dysfunction is largely responsible for our low birth rates. People can't form decent relationships with nothing out there but a bunch of damaged goods.
Not at all and it has always been there. It is just the internet has made it more accessible.
so the divorce rate rising from likke 10% to 60% is just totally irrelevant and unrelated? And online dating, that had NO effect on culture, right?
Why is everything that people dislike now suddenly referred to as a "culture"? How is that a "culture"?
Because the sheeple of today need labels in order to understand and divide themselves into separate... wait for it...
Cultures
@fuchit Yawn.
That's very true we are putting things together that makes no sense in to today's age.. I personally think relationships were easier to understand back then (not that it did not happen) but you were able to tell if a women likes you by her actions her laugh and her kiss at the end of the night. It meant your dating now. But in today's age you can freaking sleep with them on a daily basis and she will still wonder if your together..
@xkildy The thing is, hook up "culture" has always existed, with the only difference that back in the day it was underground. There was too much taboo about it so people did it secretly. Now it's all in the open, and that's the only significant difference to back then.
You're right that dating was much easier to understand back then. No doubt. But that doesn't mean it was overall better. It may have been better for some, but it was definitely worse for others. People are now more free when it comes to dating, so I don't see how that's a bad thing.
Oh I totally agree, it did happen it was called prostitution back then.. 🙈🙈🙈
It's the 70 s all over again but with more STDs. I don't get how people can just find someone to sleep with (yes I have done it ) more then once.. how about doing it this way... If you like them enough to want to F them... Talk it out with them tell them what you want ask them what they want then go with it... That way your not hooking up with a new girl or boy a few times a week wondering if they had anything or were they even aware they did? ... Stick with the same girl you know there clean and fun and safe... That's simple easy less complex... And if fellings grow perfect..
@xkildy "Oh I totally agree, it did happen it was called prostitution back then.."
- Now you make no sense. I'm not talking about prostitution. The topic here is hooking up, as in - two grown ups having casual sex with each other because they *both* want to. Not for money. Got nothing to do with prostitution.
And I'm saying that people have always had casual sex, just that back in the day they did it more secretly because it was more of a taboo then.
"I don't get how people can just find someone to sleep with (yes I have done it ) more then once.."
- That's okay if you don't get it. Other do get it.
"how about doing it this way... If you like them enough to want to F them... Talk it out with them tell them what you want ask them what they want then go with it..."
- Then go ahead and do that, if that's what you want.
No hookup culture has arisen because of the relationship culture being destroyed mostly because of girls playing mind games with guys and guys resisting initiating a relationship. So no one goes anywhere they go to hookup.
1. Hooking up while officially in a relationship IS cheating.
2. Hook up culture is destroying society.
No shitty people destroy relationships. A lot more shitty people these days.
People have always cheated, that isn't new behavior
But not as much as these days.
I'd like to see the stats on that.
It's common knowledge for anyone who has studied history. In those days there were no condoms or birth control pills. More people believed in no sex before marriage. Get your dumb head out of your ass.
That's not how facts work mah boi. You can't just pull some shit out of your ass and say 'it's common knowledge'. If you claim something and can't back it up it's a bs claim.
Because any moron with even half a brain who has studied a bit of history knows that this is true. Prove to me that men in general are physically stronger than women. You dumb fuck.
It's easy to prove that men are generally stronger than women by looking at mean muscle mass between men and women. Consider some other important details like sample size and bingo bango bongo you got yourself some very reliable statistics. The only way to measure the amount of people cheating is by self reporting and that in itself isn't a very reliable statistical tool. If you had anything to back your claim up I could at least have a look at it but prefer to get all emotional and angry and throw insults at me. Anyway as long as a positive claim isn't backed up the negative can be considered true. Just like in this case :)
Because all you have to do is do a history lesson, find out people's beliefs in those days, look at the culture of those days, the morality and people's attitudes towards sex and marriage etc. It's not rocked science, you thick dimwit.
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I'm guessing you don't know much about working with historical sources or you would know not to take them at face value like that. Anyway, this 'debate' isn't fruitful at all since all you're doing is reiterating the same irrelevant point over and over again and burying it in insults. I'm out mah Boi.
Neither is the divorces that occur because of the cheating.
@Iron_Man200 Of course men of equal size of a woman are stronger. Testosterone and other hormones give them more muscle mass and strength than a woman has unless she is a body builder. A guy could punch a woman out very easily. If a woman was stronger they would not be raped so easily. Also you wouldn't be Iron_Man, more like Wuss_Man.
@Daniela1982 I was making a point at how dumb Liz is. Sadly you too are too dumb to figure that out.
@Iron_Man200 So all females are dumb too now? Was just throwing my 2 cents into the pot. No need to be rude.
Dunning-Kruger is dinging around in his grave like a windows Screensaver right now
Edit: Dunning and Kruger are dinging around in their separate graves in sync.
Guys, everybody please calm down. We are here to discuss, not for fight. Firstly, liz you can do a google search and find some relevant information or surveys there. Next, ironman you aren't explaining things correctly. And Daniel, i can't get what you exactly want to say. Now the main thing is that, in the past, there were hookups but the number wasn't as high as today. The reason is lesser number of interactions. These days, dating apps, websites and much more stuff like this has drastically increased the number of interactions between poeple. So, more hookups are there. Just imagine, someone is in a relationship. It is very easy for that person to make an account on a dating app without putting huge physical efforts, find someone to meet and maybe have sex. As simple as that. Can everyone understand now?
Hook ups are easier to obtain, no one is debating that. This discussion is about whether or not people cheat more in today's society and although cheating might be made easier that doesn't mean that people are more inclined to cheat. That's what this is about. And I won't go looking for research that iron man needs to prove his point. That's his job.
People just get to fast to jealous, no wonder relationships don't last, that has nothing to do with hookups
I don't think so. I think people have hooked up (i. e. cheated) for as long as there have been people. Sometimes it's hard to ignore when a sexy person starts showing interest in us.
I'm not gonna read the thing under the question but yeah, friends with benefits for example. it's the worst when you start having feelings for them