men have it 10x easier than women, all they’re asked to do to be dateable, is to have a job, not be hideously ugly and to not be an asshole and socially retarded, which is a thing that women already have to be to survive ! I always see average men with gorgeous women but rarely the opposite. Men make a difference between the women they fuck and the women they date. Just don’t be fat and you’ll be fuckeable, but to have commitment and love, you must be a man’s ideal beauty which is a blonde blue eyed 5ft5 tall babe, with long hair and a hourglass figure, you must also have your own money to prove that you’re not a gold digger! Be anything less than that and even the ugliest man will feel like he settled for dating you, while the ONLY beauty standards that women want from a man is to be slightly taller than them, not even to be 6 feet tall!
Men constantly shove us how visual they are and how they can’t love a woman they don’t find stunning, but they know they can easily land a woman better looking than them by just being funny and smart! Men are not picky when it comes flings, but they’re extremely picky when it comes to commitment, they always want a woman who’s younger, prettier and preferably blonde with blue eyes! Stop lying
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Lmao. First of all you can get that blonde hair bullshit out of here. When I was in hs this blonde I use to date use to always dye her hair brunette. I asked her why and she said because guys date blonde but marry brunettes. And the weird thing is I want my wife to be brunette. Tbh I think out of all hair color I'd choose blonde last. by the way you're also generalizing and saying all men want white women since blonde and blue-eyed girls are usually white but sometimes Hispanic. I wish I could make you into a man for 10 years. Men kill themselves all the time because they can't get gfs. 1 girlfriend! Women don't hear about this stuff. You're only gonna hear about it certain men circles. Doubt men even know. But for men 40 50 years old. The point is women have it so much easier and really that is an understatement. Why do you think all these weird ass male groups have manifested? Incels, MGTOW or whatever the fuck it's called.
Personal story: I use to go just hang out with this ugly girl from hs. She is the ugliest girl I've ever seen in my life. The weird thing is though. She gets boyfriends right and left... If she was a male she would get a soul for her entire life i think. All women have to do is be pretty and even that it's exactly true lmao. Just have a pussy. If girls only knew... If you only knew. You'd be so thankful to be a woman.
I hear about women on hear asking if 12 partners by the age of 30 is considered hoeish. I'm not gonna call a woman a hoe but i bet on avg woman have a higher body count than men. I bet in dating they also have a high body count. Ofc a lot of factors play into that but u get my point.
U see ugly women with hot men too. But for women you guys aren't as visual. But here is the thing. MEN have to worked to be datable. WOMEN just have to be born pretty. You guys dont have to do shit. You didn't earn having good genes. For a guy being pretty is not enough trust me I know for well and im not a dick im just a dick on this post because you're so ignorant you have no clue.
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LMFAO! I love these nonsense "debates!" Here's the problem with BOTH of these camps (GIRLS have an easier time dating vs. GUYS have an easier time dating):
The problem is all in how you DEFINE the terms "girls" and "guys" here. Think that's obvious? It REALLY isn't.
When loser guys on here piss and moan about how "all girls have it easier when it comes to dating" they don't generally mean all adult humans with vaginas. They mean all the ATTRACTIVE ones they themselves would like to be dating! Because nobody gives a crap about how people they aren't attracted to are faring in the dating world. So yes--hot girls DO have an easier time dating than loser guys. I know--SHOCKING! And the reason is simple--they have what lots of guys want, so they're never at a loss for guys.
Now to the other side of the camp. "guys" don't have it any easier than "girls" in the dating world either. ATTRACTIVE guys who are either physically attractive, OR who are funny, rich, successful, etc., etc., and are in HIGH DEMAND from lots of women have an easier time than the average girl. But that's not the case for the loser dudes.
Incidentally, this same failure in logic is why entire fields of study like "patriarchy" are such unadulterated crap. The world isn't as simple as a whole bunch of dudes over here oppressing a whole bunch of chicks over there. It IS true that throughout history there has been a SMALL number of (usually) men who have an outsized influence over the lives of others. But that's REALLY FUCKING DIFFERENT from ALL men! MOST dudes, today AND throughout history have been nothing more than pawns in a larger game. You HAVE to have better discernment and finer categorization of people and things. Huge broad buckets like "men" and "women" are typically pretty useless. Which brings us back to dating. If you're a girl, what's the prize? A high value GUY. And who is the competition? Other FREAKING GIRLS! And if you're a guy, what's the prize? A hot, nice GIRL. And who's the competition? OTHER FREAKING GUYS! So why the FUCK do all these retards think that the people who share the same genitals are somehow "on their side" and those who do not are somehow "the enemy?" I'll tell you why--because they're fucking morons. Thank you
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Thanks for most helpful! Looks like I triggered at least 2 loser dudes with this! lol!
First of all - I dont have much problems getting dates.
Secondly - most of your argument I love and agree with. The bottom 88% of males who are competing for the bottom 40% of females (source is Kinsey Institute of Psychology and Sexual Research Studies 2010 and peer reviewed up the ass) certainly do both face obstacles, and also do face competition from other same sex genders competing for the same prize.
One fallacy you made however - is failing to take into a account sample size distributional differences between both genders.
The reason this arises in most primates (not just humans but other ape related primates on mass as well) is because 1 guy can impregnate 10 girls at once easily. 1 girl can only be impregnated by 1 male at a time and then has to weight nine months and only has a very small amount of 20-25 chances for reproduction of offspring tops.
Males can have 10000+ in a logical world. This inherently makes females have to be a lot. more careful and a lot more selective with who they allow to fertilize those few eggs. Females who were less careful thousands of years ago no longer have their lineage being passed on due to weak offspring.
Based on separate peer reviewed scientific studies by most DNA tracing companies such as ancestory. com and others, We can trace most peoples dna back to a few very dominite males in history. But their female ancestors lineage do not match a high sample of different people in the population today. The female ancestors have less common offspring existing today. 69% of the population of asia can trace their lineage back to Genghis Khan, the same can not be said about any female ancestor alive in history at any time with a similar size of offspring alive today. This tells us most woman were all taking turns with a very select few top quality men most generations theoughout history - mathmatically speaking. There is no evidence yet contradicting this in a peer reviewed study that has veen replicated that I am yet aware of.
This also perfectly aligns with dating swipes between the two genders from findings on tinder and hinge and bumble that the companies have released showing how many girls swipe and match on the top male vs how many guys swipe and match on the top female (and down the chain onward).
One flaw with these findings though is that although it seems rigged against males - we most also consider that there are nearly double the amount of males active on dating sites as females, on avg.
And on the flip side of that - where females feel it is rigged against their gender (what you pointed out - which I would say is highly accurate) is that they feel like its difficult to get commitment from who they want (the top 46.2% of females are currently matching with the top 12% of males - and rejecting most males lower on tinder score than that currently as of 2023). So they say these guys are assholes and will also commit for more easily to ONS with these top 12% of males out of necessity far more often - because if they dont it is quite likely the next girl will and they will be overlooked or lose their chance all together.
So if you are in the bottom 88% of males you may find it more difficult (exponentially progressively downward) with each drop in popularity percentile based on internal tinder score (and life as ranked by the opposite gender) as a male - compared to the difficulty faced by that same percentile on a popularity scale as a female.
But up the chain popularity wise as a male (think most rockstars as an extreme example) they will find it astronomically exponentially easier to attract and mate - compared to esch percentile of their female equalivalent (most male rockstars athletes and celebrities have 100x more options than their female equavalents who are celebrities rockstars and athletes is an easy example of this - and lines up exactly as the vast majority of peer reviewed scientific journals published show mathmatically based on all available evidence currently.
But overall the averages and difficulties between the two genders eith regards to the MEAN avgs of obstacles success and difficulties overall will be completely identical (with alpha tales of +/- 0.5% cutting off outliars).
But the means and the mode of each avg group in terms of mating success will heavily favour significantly more females on avg during prime reproductive years of both genders.
This is why so many young males are suicidal and joining fringe groups like mgtow and incel groups for support, while a select minority of males are extremely happy with the eay things are set up in life for them.
Most females also face far more challenges than these incel groups that aare very small and vocal would like to have people believe (its honestly not as gard as they cliam - most and I am going to state accurately - are just too lazy to bother). But they are correct in that mathmatically it is a fair deal harder than most females have it for them based on all available quality peer reviewed and replicated evidence so far
This is very true, women like men for things they can change (besides some who prefer taller men) and men like girls for features they can change. I’ve always been insecure because I don’t have blonde hair and blue eyes so I’m not pretty enough which really sucks
Exactly. Men deny it constantly but you clearly see how they treat blonde blue eyed beauties differently from the ones with darker features 🙄. Watch what they do, not what they say.
Yeah, things men can change like height, jaw line, muscles (which requires substantial amount of dieting and excercise), getting a six figure job (he better not make less then a woman or she will dump him), a really expensive car (40% increase in success with women with a nice car (based upon studies)), be insanely confident and assertive and never make a mistake or be socially awkward, be incredibly smart and funny (but not too funny).
What do women have to do again? Oh yeah, breathe. Statistically the average pornstar is brunette, c cup. So no, blond is not what men want and no man has ever turned down a woman because of hair color, women however do turn down men because they don't have a good enough job, make enough money, or are not tall enough. Statistically the ideal body type in the eyes of men is actually heavier then what women believe it is so women are wrong about that as well.
In addition, based upon data collected from dating sites, women think that 80% of men are "below average" a statistical impossibility yet a belief that those women held. So no, you have no idea what your talking about. Hell, even a feminist author who went under cover as a man (Nora Vincent) stated that she didn't know how more men didn't hate women after her experience with dating as a man.
Well that is mostly because, women have an easier time in dating then men. Even if you where to take the ugliest woman she would have more dates than the ugliest man
many modern guys date equal or lower. when it comes to looks, income, age, etc. guys might want to sleep with a 9 or 10. but many know their often not realistic partners long term.
many modern girls date equal or up. when it comes to looks, income, age, etc.
" the ugliest woman she would have more dates than the ugliest man " She would still get far more dates than a perceived " hot guy " , a truly ugly guy will never get a date.
Here's a comment from a lesbian posted on YouTube. It really demonstrates how pampered most women are vis-a-vis dating:
Jai B: "Woman are more likely to not be introspective because straight women are never forced to be. They never have to look at difficult sides of themselves and do any work to improve their weak points. This results in us not reeeeaaaalllyyy knowing what the fuck we want nor how to go about getting it. I see this with the Bi or Bi curious women who get upset they cannot get a lesbian to date them. Well, sweetie, that’s because you're boring as fuck, your style is lacking, you're shaped like an ice cream cone, you're acne-covered, you have zero personality, no apparent skills (gift of gab, charm, dancing, magic tricks..) and You want US to put forth all of the effort to pursue YOU, which is silly. But they refuse to go back to their corners, re-group, and actually figure some shit out, humble themselves, check their privilege and maybe go to a gym every once in awhile then come back and try again. When I’ve suggested this to them they literally, across the board, tell me that’s too much work. Well then, see how much pussy standing there throwing tantrums gets you."
If you're really this daft and you need proof, you can create fake accounts on dating sites like Tinder using average or below average pics of men and women and see for yourself which sex has better luck getting dates.
Wow, you are crazy. 1) women don't have to make the first more ever. This really pisses me off. I am tired of the women that just want a free drink or free dinner. I once went on 3 dates with this woman that always found a way to get a meal. It was at a time I was working 2 jobs and really couldn't afford that. So I would make the dates later like 7pm so it would be after dinner. Nope, still ordered and never offered to pay once. I was done after date 3. 2) Women can wake up and think "I am getting fucked today" and 100% of the time get fucked. Guys have at best a coin flip. 3) when it comes to sex, women have it easy. They just have to be willing and lay there and they are a rock star. Guys have to do all the work, get hard and stay that way with a new person, all while trying to get the woman off. and women aren't exactly easy, esp if you don't know the person. 4) Sorta going off number 1, we have to ask you out, we are expected to pick the place, we are expected to carry the conversation. We are basically doing everything.
That is why I switched to bumble and don't bother sending out messages. If someone messages me, at least I know they were interested enough to make that first move.
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OK, let's take a look at the dating requirements for both sexes.
Women must: - Be found physically attractive by a man - Be willing to date him when he asks
Men must: - Be found physically attractive by a woman - Be able to create the impression he has a good job that pays well - Approach her, ask her out and risk rejection - Pay for the date IF she accepts - Likely pay for a lot of other stuff as well
Men are the ones who have to put themselves out there and risk rejection. Women are passive in dating and men are the ones who have to take action and risks. It is a well-accepted (and obviously true) fact that women have higher standards in dating than men, and the reason for that is... because they CAN. Men have no such option. The biggest complaint women have about dating is that they get approached by lots of guys but not the RIGHT guys. That's because they have higher standards... because they have choices men don't have. Some women will say they also approach guys. That is true for some, and they certainly have that choice. But the VAST majority of women never approach guys. Why? Because they don't have to. Because they have the advantage of the dating game and luxury of sitting back and passively waiting for guys to do all the work and take all the risks.
Do women have it easier than men in dating? OF COURSE THEY DO. Only a fucking moron would argue otherwise.
So our sexual selection process—and thus our attraction process—is dictated by our survival goals, whether you believe in evolution or God’s design for us. And as you can see, women have more “survival goals” or needs than men do.
Men were designed to essentially be able to produce and provide on their own, and can protect themselves.
Whereas women were designed to need the man for those things. This is why women are a bit more complicated and harder to attract, seduce, than men are."
Another thing:
The way it looks like, guys, men, have to know or learn how to do: approach, walk up to women and open our mouth, begin the interaction or start an interaction first, make the conversation or interaction interesting, pretty much if an interaction goes poorly, it's always the man's fault, lead the interaction, flirt and tease, be challenging, be confident or have confidence, pass her shit-tests, ask her out, call or text first, plan and set up the dates, go in for the first kiss, lead or take the lead, have leadership, have a mission or purpose, and probably many other things either I don't know or forgot to mention. Women just have to go out and show up or simply just be there, and be attractive, have a nice and fun personality, that requires no skill or no strategy, that's not something that's behavioral-based.
I honestly think dating sucks for both sexs. When you talk about guys that are average looking in a broad sense of beauty and they have these beautiful girls. They usually have a lot of money and the woman is relying on him financially and has no income herself. You can tip that scale way more in your favor if you have a steady income yourself. An attractive guy could be looking for someone to rely on financially and you would definitely pass on that.
Dating has been getting better as more people are splitting the check for a first date, as a guy that is very pressuring to be very picky about who you go on a date with as you probably spend $50 or more at diner. Or just going on cheat first dates. It's hard being a single guy and having to pay tons of money every weekend for going on first dates with women that aren't interested in you by the end of it.
Women are naturally perceived as the beautiful sex. There is a broad spectrum of woman's faces and bodies and at least to me there is beauty is skinny girls, curvy girls, thick girls, and so on. But for guys you either have to be skinny enough so the little bit of abs you have pop through, or you have to be super fit. Fat guys are honestly very unattractive and no guy ever looks at their underwear packaging and thinks they look like that just like girls do with theirs.
Guys are insecure and have their own probablems but are scared to speak out, and it's not manly to show emotions. But as a man I think I'm quite unattractive and fat. Dating sucks
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Because women do. All they have to do is be attractive and they can wrap men around their finger. She could literally pickup a different every night of the week if she really wanted too. Only time I’ve told women I wasn’t interested in speed dating events was if I didn’t click with them, they were unattractive, or a mother. If I don’t make enough to buy the last girl I was talking to a Haute Couture dress, If I don’t have an Adonis Greek God David sculpture body, a mansion, etc... im just fucking worthless. If a girls attractive enough she can just use her body to obtain these things. Men have it harder and women have it too damn easy to the point they don’t need to try. If I owned a bar/restaurant I would only hire male bartenders or extremely fat and unattractive women. I could give two fucks less about getting more business if they were attractive. men are expected from a young age usually and told by their father, or father figure to go to college, take care of yourself, make enough for a house, white picket fence, get married to someone attractive that loves you, etc... Jesus never said “take half of his things or more” to women in regards to divorce. But he did say to everyone “go and sin no more.” Its probably best for men to quit caring and stop dating until things return to normal because no matter what I don’t think we will ever be good enough for the 21st century woman.
If that’s your view on men. You need a serious overhaul on the type of men that you associate with. Love how you try to fit every single man into this “ stereo typical” box. Like every single guy is on some bullshit. Are men on some bullshit or do you just have piss poor standards? That’s my vote. Because fact. Not all of us are looking for that perfect blonde haired Barbie, hour glass figure, 770 credit score, and beer flavored breasts. Or however you put it. You sound very bitter. And as long as you view all men are the same that is the only type of man you will subconsciously attract. Oh and ps. I prefer brunettes.
when it comes to modern dating apps/site for hookups and causal fun women often have it easier. but general dating looking for a long term partner is about the same.
the first line of your post proves women have it easier, we don't ask any of those things of women, you don't need a job, don't have to dress fancy, you don't even need to be socially presentable... someone will want you
modern culture makes it so easy for women. men have to swipe on tinder 200+ times on average to find a match... women have to swipe 3 on average. studies relesed by OK cupid found that women find the majority of men "below average" in attractiveness... which is statistically impossible but there it is anyways. women have insanely high standards that are higher than ever before. unrealistic standards
Not really. Most of my college friends said that they didn't want a girl that did not had a decent job. Ando today every single one of my close friends who is in a committed relationship has a girlfriend with at least a master's degree.
I look at data online with a hint of doubt. I don't imagine a man going "hey you are all that I ever wanted, the perfect woman. But since you have a decent job, sorry not going to work."
The current dating culture is fucked. Sorry to hear you feel that way, but you are not alone Finding commitment is super hard nowadays. I agree, dating is easy af, for everyone, but quantity, not quality dating
Men might think women have it easy dating because they just gotta stand their and look pretty to get a date. But dating, is different, dating involves getting to know someone over a long period of time, through dates... Women get way more attention from many more guys. So its easier to start, but not easier if your ultimate goal is a meaningful relationship.
It sounds like you have very little life experience. I get rejected at least 80% of the time and often well over 90%. Granted, that is not really difficult for me because I have thick skin when it comes to this and I only care about the yeses. To be considered by me I just ask that she is not obese, hairy, or stinky. I have green eyes and at least 3/4 of the women I've dated have had brown eyes and dark hair. Their heights have ranged from 4'11 (maybe even 4'10 - never got a straight answer) and 6'5. I've dated whites, blacks, a Cherokee, and various Asians. Some have been busty, some have been flat-chested. I just want someone fun and low drama.
"... that is not really difficult for me because I have thick skin when it comes to this and I only care about the yeses."
Wow I wish I could have that "thick skin" bc as a forever alone shy girl I've only tried it once and he rejected me 🤣 after that day, I never tried again. :/
I think You need to actually do some research on that subject because Tinder and OK'cupid have already done the studies and they said men had it way worse by a longshot. The thing is people are not monogomous by and large and the majority of people are polymerous meaning one guy is banging multiple women while the rest of the guys are getting no sex at all. So no women don't have it worse men actually have it worse and come on a man has to build a career so He can show Himself worthy of having a mate where as all a woman has to do is show up and that should be enough to prove that Your full of it.
One male looking for female one female looking for male
same bio, same job, same hobbies, avarage height and weight, either no photo or a photo of a landscape or something generic.
I can guarantee you, the female profile will get 10~50~100 times more massages from dudes that want to date her, while the male may not even get 10 in total.
I guess thats why men think its easier for women to find a date.
“socially retarded” what is that? Does this mean that he must align with your politics, most likely feminist, so that you easily manipulate him? Unfortunately, I seem to attract the shit out of feminists. I wonder, “Do I have stupid fk tattooed across my forehead? “
Let’s just say I don’t make it easy for them because usually they hit on me. I will usually act semi-human but I still do what I want. The way it works is, the one that is dating down has it easier. If you are being highly picky and selective, then it will be harder for you to date. It is that frigging simple. The vagina has a 10:1 advantage normally. So wtf is wrong with you?
Just being able to sit back and wait for men to come to you. If a man did that, many would die alone. Do not have to work for sex as hard, most women as long as they are willing will have tons of guys willing to have sex, never having to take the risk and have the balls to walk up to strangers, initiate conversations and trying to ask the opposite sex out and risking being rejected and feeling foolish, as I say women just sit back and let men come to them, initiate, think up dates, ask them out, court them, bring up sex... take all the balls requiring risk.
Women have it harder with the danger of pregnancy and getting a guy to stay when many have sex and then bail.
Because women do have it easier. You even list off all the things men have to be, i. e. they have to be well off, they have to be attractive, they have to be sauve and, one you didn't mention, they have to be tall, and they have to have the confidence and do all the approaching and take all the risk. Women on the other hand have to exist and be alive. So yeah, women have it easier and if you think your struggling now, then you are really really bad off (because you have it far easier then men do and if you can't handle dating then, you shouldn't date period.).
Yea, my last date took three months of online dating (I’d rather go to the dentist) with a paid membership. Writing messages that were rudely unanswered (if you can’t be bothered to respond close your account, what’s so hard about a simple (not interested “) even a rude no! Or “eff off” would be beer than being ignored.
My last date cost me $1100, I drove 200 miles one way to meet a plain looking women with a few extra pounds and a three year old who insisted on this new restaurant.
At the end of the date she kissed my cheek and told me she was married had a chip and was going back to her ex.
i don't wanna be mean, but you're an idiot, who shouldn't probably forever everything you think you know about women and start over from scratch. Christ, i wouldn't even buy a woman a drink on our first date.
David that was years ago and I never dated again. In fact the whole experience has left me so disgusted I don’t want to date and plan on never dating again.
@David_Kek I have the choice, date online or don’t date at all, without question I’ll take the latter choice.
Frankly, after reading women’s lists of “demands” in online profiles , I realized I have to much self respect and would rather be alone as much as I hate it.
At this point even looking at women just makes me sad so I avoid them.
Wrooooong. Women who are in their 20's have a super-easy time dating. You have your pick of the liter, even if you are an average looking girl. Men have to fit 1000 little bullshit items on girls fantasy lists to even have the girl "swipe right", let alone become serious with him.
Now, women who do not realize that their sexual market value falls off a wall at about age 30, those are the women who have a hard time dating -- and deservedly so, as they pissed away their SMV like a drunken sailor.
@DonCachondo Yeah, the wall hits different women at different ages. A super-hot girl will always be able to get laid, but even land a "relationship", but men are inherently VERY wary of older women who are single. We know almost any female can have a relationship so when they fail to do so, it is a huge red flag.
Haha you've got to be trolling. Cause a lot of what you say just doesn't make sense. If it was as easy as just having a job and not being ugly then there won't be so many guys complaining. There won't even be a need for dating sites or apps.
And I don't know where you're getting this from blonde and blue eyes. Are you friends with Nazis or something? Everyone has their own taste, but I personally wouldn't really put a blonde white girl at the top of my list.
And lastly it is a lot easier for women. They don't get rejected like guys do. Women get matches way easier on dating sites and hell in social media in general. So women can pick and choose who they want to date. Oh by the way that includes the below average looking women.
That's another thing... Even the below average looking women think they're hot shit. So... Yup not sure where you're getting this from. But when it comes to dating men in general will always have a tougher time.
