I wish you could understand the social expectations men are held at. If i got in my feels it can and most likely will be seen as weakness, if im not 5'8 or up im too short, if i can't go without a beard im scraggly. If im not huilt im skinny and weak, if i can't make mor than 75k a year im broke, if i get nervous it shows indecisiveness, if my skin is rough or not evenly tone or a strong jawline im ugly, if i dont want to fight other guys im a bitch, if i can't flirt im boring. Etc these are only a very few problems we face on top of everyday stress
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Most people when they look at the opposite sex and make these claims argue based on the apex fallacy. They look at those at the top of a group, the most successful, the most attractive - when it comes to dating the kinds of people they find most attractive - and assume that they represent the entire opposite sex.
In reality very attractive men have higher standards and they act differently to average men. Very attractive women have higher standards and act differently to the average woman.
Do you really think the average guy wants, expects, or could even get that perfect 5'5" blonde girl with the perfect hourglass figure? No. You're exaggerating there, as most people who like to complain about the opposite sex do.
Women have far more options than their male counterparts , there are more men than women worldwide , considerably more so in the younger age groups , combined with a lot more women than men choosing single & totally celibate lives. Even without this male heavy ratio , women will find it much easier getting a yes for the initial stages. The problem for both genders , is finding a really compatible match , women & men are very differently wired , different though processes and differing needs and wants , so misunderstandings and conflict are inevitable at some point.
Women have it easier than men when it co. es to dating. Period. You have the passive role. You can literally sit, look pretty, and make eye contact with a guy and 3/10 times he will walk over and try to talk to you. Whether or not you get a date is soley based on whether or not you want one. Girls that play this "I don't know yet, let's just start as friends" bullshit never move past it. That's why they don't get real dates. Women that want to find men, do. It's as simple as that.
Nah, women get courted more, women get more attention on social media, women tend to be shy and more passive aggressive. Men and guys tend to be more direct and straight forward and usually women or girls may find that creepy (depending on what the guy says) or how he conducts himself. But women and girls do tend to reject the opposite sex way more, guys tend to be lenient and say sure let's go out. But at the same time guys tend to say yes more because they have less options, or there just after her for sexual purposes or he's a very clingy/needy guy. That's how I look at it.
Well, because they have read a bunch of 'oh, I am a woman and I can get/do whatever I like easily' posts usually created by the blacks and various highly promiscuous minorities (or simply fake) - and also because the fact that women have to be so submissive to be politically correct (like European women who are now obliged to entertain the Turks and Syrians as if somehow remotely interested in them as dates)
The PC needs to stop, so everyone can freely date whom they like, not require a pimp or private security to ward off all the (usually middle eastern or latino) aggressives.
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I don't think either gender necessarily has it easier. But I definitely understand where your coming from. I will give you this...
I hate to attack my own gender but-
Many guys don't make a whole lot of effort to maximize their potential;
Looks, personality, income , etc..
I did a little experiment one time; on match. com, I would set certain parameters, just to get an idea of what most men aged 25 - 50 looked like. I also did the same thing for women.
What I found (to be brutally honest) was that most women (regardless of age) were much more physically attractive than nearly all of the men. I'm not necessarily talking about young women either. I mean women in their late 30's to early fifties. There were several of them that I personally would consider attractive.
Some of which I thought were VERY attractive. I mean...
@Anonymous I enjoyed reading your reply and gave it a "thumbs up." I've met quite a few women on dating sites and almost all of them lied about their looks. Their pictures were younger, lighter, and prettier than what they were in reality. So I can see how someone would think that there are a lot of beautiful women on PlentyOfFish or Match. com. But I guess men do the same thing.
Men are expected to be providers, also women expect us to notice the small stuff like I'm not putting a microscope and analysing everything you do so chill, I'm guessing you haven't been on dates a lot or in relationships, so let me explain it to you Men are expected to be the money makers -rich and have abs/buffed body Women are supposed to look sexy/slim body and have little money not rich
Also every girl i know at least rejected 10 guys , i don't know any guy who rejected 10 girls😐
Try to live in other places. There are families whose mothers and fathers have switched roles. There are also places where men would be kind enough to help in housekeeping and women would be considerate enough to split the bill. Where do you meet your girls? In highschool? Darn, doesn't your girls have a job? Where do you get the girls you date? In a barbie store?
Those are the girls that i have known throughout out my life, they expect everything to be done for them, I don't expect them to go to baber or do their hair everyday just look decent but that's who i have come across so far😐
Bullshit!, I don't prefer blondes and I don't sleep around. I like long black hair, but have been attracted to a variety of women. The first woman I was attracted too was 5'7" skinny and Native American, the second woman was 5'11" slender and had long red hair, the third woman 5'6" thicker with brown hair, fourth was a blond 5'4" skinny, fifth was a Middle Eastern woman 5'8" medium, sixth was a 5'10" black woman slender, and the seventh was a Vietnamese woman 5'6" skinny. Don't know enough Hispanic women, but certainly will find some attractive. Pheromones really don't discriminate, they determine physical attraction by genetic compatibility. Obviously in seeking a healthy relationship one must look beyond the physical, I look at what a woman believes and how she thinks. I look for women within my age group, up to 3 years older or down to 3 years younger.
@Reaperbot666 I personally prefer darker hair too and even dark eyes as they exude so much warmth so the guys I find attractive tend to have brown hair and brown eyes. I also think most celebs and supermodels I think are pretty have dark features like Angelina Jolie, Aishwarya Rai, Audrey Hepburn, Kriti Sanon, Salma Hayek, Kendall Jener, Kim Kardashian, Tara Sutaria, Pia Sutaria, Meghan Fox, Scarlett Johanson have really sharp features and all have dark hair and have brown or hazel eyes except Meghan Fox. I think beauty is more about sharpness of features, big eyes, feminine and small jaws and having an hourglass frame than having blonde hair or blue eyes. At the end of the day it’s subjective and maybe there are some men who prefer blondes but to say all men do is so ignorant and silly on the OP’s part. Some men specifically only are attracted to dark hair and eyes.
At your age, women are at peak attractiveness to most men, so of course it's easier for you (there are also more men than women in your age cohort at that time in your life).
The reason that it may seem more difficult is generally that women are more picky and want to feel they're getting a good deal.
Men have to make at least 75% of the moves, they have to go through the steps of getting to know you then getting flirty to romantic, They need to drive you places to eat, they have to remain strong and defensive for you, they need to be over your height, their dicks need to be 8 inches at least and experienced in bed, they need to initiate every conversation, girls expect them to, it's a long list.
I don't think guys realize the effort girls also have to put into a relationship too though. Girls don't really expect most of these things considereing most men (at least my age) don't want to be in a relationship so they will often put in bare minimum effort with woman. Girls are not used to real men who actually accomplish all of these tasks so they end up dating guys who don't take them out nice places to eat, are rude, and are boring in conversation. Honestly, if a guy can accomplish all of these things then he is catch and should be able to date anyone he wanted as well. (also - i would actually prefer if my man wasn't too experienced in bed. A high body count may look cool to the boys but its a turn off for many woman)
Yeah, we have it easier. Stats on dating apps prove that.
Oh wait, no, it doesn't. On average, only 2% of men get a match, when it's 25% for women. Not to mention your ridiculous list of requirement that is absolutely not accurate. So cut your anonymous bullshit, this is exactly that attitude that explains why people won't date you.
Simple answer, only thing a woman needs for dating is a pussy, which usual comes with the package...
And to be honest, the probability to get asked out is way higher as woman, because as man you're the one who needs to ask and can be rejected... which most women don't know because they are not is charge to ask...
Easier in a sense of shear numbers. Far more thirsty men out there on the dating scene than available good women. However, these large pools of males only equal a larger headache in discerning the thousands of bad apples from a handful of genuine men.
It’s not easy for either sex. Both genders have their perks and flows in dating. In my experience women tend to be more upfront than men.
But my guy friends will lie their ass off to make a women feel comfortable in order to sleep with them. Women have to go through so many men to find a decent guy.
I Think we are all looking for someone real. And that’s the hardest part in all this.
"... my guy friends will lie their ass off to make a women feel comfortable in order to sleep with them. Women have to go through so many men to find a decent guy."
Think? THINK? your god damn deluded if you were a man you would be depressed here's your proof and note the girl said after day 5 "I feel depressed" dating as a man.
Men have it easier in that their standards are typically lower. Women have higher standards. However, because women have such high standards, men find it difficult to get a date but a woman does not have to try as hard. There guys waiting.
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Men have low standards when it comes to fucking a woman, but their standards are EXTREMELY when it comes to get commitment!
Not really. Men have lower standards on physical appearance than men do. When it comes to dating, women tend to have high and unrealistic standards. Men are far simpler.
Lots of people like blondes. Would it make a difference if it were brunettes? Don't want women to go out getting drunk all the time, and have a degree. That's not that high, and that is a poor article that provides nothing. If an acceptable degree of physical attraction for a man is a 5, for a woman it's a 7 or 8. And that's just physical attraction.
Because commitment is a lot more to ask for than sex. Just realistically. Isn't it rather odd that women initiate most of the divorces and breakups yet they're the ones who are usually so cuckoo for commitment? hmmmm
Because maybe you actually do? Men have to put themselves out there are approach women knowing there's a high gurantee of rejection. We are the ones taking the initiative most of the time to talk to a girl and trying to ask her out. Girls just have to wait and decide if they'll date a guy or not.
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I wish you could understand the social expectations men are held at. If i got in my feels it can and most likely will be seen as weakness, if im not 5'8 or up im too short, if i can't go without a beard im scraggly. If im not huilt im skinny and weak, if i can't make mor than 75k a year im broke, if i get nervous it shows indecisiveness, if my skin is rough or not evenly tone or a strong jawline im ugly, if i dont want to fight other guys im a bitch, if i can't flirt im boring. Etc these are only a very few problems we face on top of everyday stress
Most people when they look at the opposite sex and make these claims argue based on the apex fallacy. They look at those at the top of a group, the most successful, the most attractive - when it comes to dating the kinds of people they find most attractive - and assume that they represent the entire opposite sex.
In reality very attractive men have higher standards and they act differently to average men. Very attractive women have higher standards and act differently to the average woman.
Do you really think the average guy wants, expects, or could even get that perfect 5'5" blonde girl with the perfect hourglass figure? No. You're exaggerating there, as most people who like to complain about the opposite sex do.
Women have far more options than their male counterparts , there are more men than women worldwide , considerably more so in the younger age groups , combined with a lot more women than men choosing single & totally celibate lives. Even without this male heavy ratio , women will find it much easier getting a yes for the initial stages. The problem for both genders , is finding a really compatible match , women & men are very differently wired , different though processes and differing needs and wants , so misunderstandings and conflict are inevitable at some point.
Women have it easier than men when it co. es to dating. Period. You have the passive role. You can literally sit, look pretty, and make eye contact with a guy and 3/10 times he will walk over and try to talk to you. Whether or not you get a date is soley based on whether or not you want one. Girls that play this "I don't know yet, let's just start as friends" bullshit never move past it. That's why they don't get real dates. Women that want to find men, do. It's as simple as that.
Nah, women get courted more, women get more attention on social media, women tend to be shy and more passive aggressive. Men and guys tend to be more direct and straight forward and usually women or girls may find that creepy (depending on what the guy says) or how he conducts himself. But women and girls do tend to reject the opposite sex way more, guys tend to be lenient and say sure let's go out. But at the same time guys tend to say yes more because they have less options, or there just after her for sexual purposes or he's a very clingy/needy guy. That's how I look at it.
It has been said that women expectations for a man are always awfully high, so for any man who is average or below just don't have a chance.
I'm not saying that this is what I believe in or anything, I just know that's something that is often said when it comes to dating.
Well, because they have read a bunch of 'oh, I am a woman and I can get/do whatever I like easily' posts usually created by the blacks and various highly promiscuous minorities (or simply fake) - and also because the fact that women have to be so submissive to be politically correct (like European women who are now obliged to entertain the Turks and Syrians as if somehow remotely interested in them as dates)
The PC needs to stop, so everyone can freely date whom they like, not require a pimp or private security to ward off all the (usually middle eastern or latino) aggressives.
I don't think either gender necessarily has it easier. But I definitely understand where your coming from. I will give you this...
I hate to attack my own gender but-
Many guys don't make a whole lot of effort to maximize their potential;
Looks, personality, income
, etc..
I did a little experiment one time; on match. com, I would set certain parameters, just to get an idea of what most men aged 25 - 50 looked like. I also did the same thing for women.
What I found (to be brutally honest) was that most women (regardless of age) were much more physically attractive than nearly all of the men. I'm not necessarily talking about young women either. I mean women in their late 30's to early fifties. There were several of them that I personally would consider attractive.
Some of which I thought were VERY attractive. I mean...
Just being honest.
You are a MAN saying WOMEN were more attractive to you than MEN. Assuming you are not gay, this falls under "no shit Captain obvious".
@Anonymous
I enjoyed reading your reply and gave it a "thumbs up." I've met quite a few women on dating sites and almost all of them lied about their looks. Their pictures were younger, lighter, and prettier than what they were in reality. So I can see how someone would think that there are a lot of beautiful women on PlentyOfFish or Match. com. But I guess men do the same thing.
😐that feminist shit again
Men are expected to be providers, also women expect us to notice the small stuff like I'm not putting a microscope and analysing everything you do so chill, I'm guessing you haven't been on dates a lot or in relationships, so let me explain it to you
Men are expected to be the money makers -rich and have abs/buffed body
Women are supposed to look sexy/slim body and have little money not rich
Also every girl i know at least rejected 10 guys , i don't know any guy who rejected 10 girls😐
Try to live in other places. There are families whose mothers and fathers have switched roles. There are also places where men would be kind enough to help in housekeeping and women would be considerate enough to split the bill. Where do you meet your girls? In highschool? Darn, doesn't your girls have a job? Where do you get the girls you date? In a barbie store?
Those are the girls that i have known throughout out my life, they expect everything to be done for them,
I don't expect them to go to baber or do their hair everyday just look decent but that's who i have come across so far😐
So, men there treat women like a princess? Where is that place? I might have to move.
The middle east
Oh, figures... I changed my mind... I had unwanted encounters online who claims to be from there.
I actually am
Bullshit!, I don't prefer blondes and I don't sleep around. I like long black hair, but have been attracted to a variety of women. The first woman I was attracted too was 5'7" skinny and Native American, the second woman was 5'11" slender and had long red hair, the third woman 5'6" thicker with brown hair, fourth was a blond 5'4" skinny, fifth was a Middle Eastern woman 5'8" medium, sixth was a 5'10" black woman slender, and the seventh was a Vietnamese woman 5'6" skinny. Don't know enough Hispanic women, but certainly will find some attractive. Pheromones really don't discriminate, they determine physical attraction by genetic compatibility. Obviously in seeking a healthy relationship one must look beyond the physical, I look at what a woman believes and how she thinks. I look for women within my age group, up to 3 years older or down to 3 years younger.
Why blonde and blue eyes? Not everyone is attracted to that and blonde and blue eyes doesn’t instantly make one attractive
i tend to go for girls with naturally darker hair colors myself.
@Reaperbot666 I personally prefer darker hair too and even dark eyes as they exude so much warmth so the guys I find attractive tend to have brown hair and brown eyes. I also think most celebs and supermodels I think are pretty have dark features like Angelina Jolie, Aishwarya Rai, Audrey Hepburn, Kriti Sanon, Salma Hayek, Kendall Jener, Kim Kardashian, Tara Sutaria, Pia Sutaria, Meghan Fox, Scarlett Johanson have really sharp features and all have dark hair and have brown or hazel eyes except Meghan Fox. I think beauty is more about sharpness of features, big eyes, feminine and small jaws and having an hourglass frame than having blonde hair or blue eyes. At the end of the day it’s subjective and maybe there are some men who prefer blondes but to say all men do is so ignorant and silly on the OP’s part. Some men specifically only are attracted to dark hair and eyes.
At your age, women are at peak attractiveness to most men, so of course it's easier for you (there are also more men than women in your age cohort at that time in your life).
The reason that it may seem more difficult is generally that women are more picky and want to feel they're getting a good deal.
Men have to make at least 75% of the moves, they have to go through the steps of getting to know you then getting flirty to romantic, They need to drive you places to eat, they have to remain strong and defensive for you, they need to be over your height, their dicks need to be 8 inches at least and experienced in bed, they need to initiate every conversation, girls expect them to, it's a long list.
I don't think guys realize the effort girls also have to put into a relationship too though. Girls don't really expect most of these things considereing most men (at least my age) don't want to be in a relationship so they will often put in bare minimum effort with woman. Girls are not used to real men who actually accomplish all of these tasks so they end up dating guys who don't take them out nice places to eat, are rude, and are boring in conversation. Honestly, if a guy can accomplish all of these things then he is catch and should be able to date anyone he wanted as well. (also - i would actually prefer if my man wasn't too experienced in bed. A high body count may look cool to the boys but its a turn off for many woman)
Yeah, we have it easier. Stats on dating apps prove that.
Oh wait, no, it doesn't. On average, only 2% of men get a match, when it's 25% for women.
Not to mention your ridiculous list of requirement that is absolutely not accurate. So cut your anonymous bullshit, this is exactly that attitude that explains why people won't date you.
But that's not dating, thats just hooking up
Simple answer, only thing a woman needs for dating is a pussy, which usual comes with the package...
And to be honest, the probability to get asked out is way higher as woman, because as man you're the one who needs to ask and can be rejected... which most women don't know because they are not is charge to ask...
Easier in a sense of shear numbers. Far more thirsty men out there on the dating
scene than available good women. However, these large pools of males only
equal a larger headache in discerning the thousands of bad apples from a
handful of genuine men.
It’s not easy for either sex. Both genders have their perks and flows in dating. In my experience women tend to be more upfront than men.
But my guy friends will lie their ass off to make a women feel comfortable in order to sleep with them. Women have to go through so many men to find a decent guy.
I Think we are all looking for someone real. And that’s the hardest part in all this.
"... my guy friends will lie their ass off to make a women feel comfortable in order to sleep with them. Women have to go through so many men to find a decent guy."
Sad but true :/
Think? THINK? your god damn deluded if you were a man you would be depressed here's your proof and note the girl said after day 5 "I feel depressed" dating as a man.
https://www.youtube.com/embed/DZTIbHIsIYwhttps://www.youtube.com/embed/iNONlWyD_kUMen have it easier in that their standards are typically lower. Women have higher standards. However, because women have such high standards, men find it difficult to get a date but a woman does not have to try as hard. There guys waiting.
Men have low standards when it comes to fucking a woman, but their standards are EXTREMELY when it comes to get commitment!
*extremely high
Not really. Men have lower standards on physical appearance than men do. When it comes to dating, women tend to have high and unrealistic standards. Men are far simpler.
You guys are fucking liars: www.google.com/.../...ue-eyes-graduate-degree.html
Lots of people like blondes. Would it make a difference if it were brunettes?
Don't want women to go out getting drunk all the time, and have a degree. That's not that high, and that is a poor article that provides nothing. If an acceptable degree of physical attraction for a man is a 5, for a woman it's a 7 or 8. And that's just physical attraction.
So Candice swanepoel is a 5?
I didn't say that. I don't really out numbers. To me, if a woman is attractive, she's attractive. That's it.
Because commitment is a lot more to ask for than sex. Just realistically. Isn't it rather odd that women initiate most of the divorces and breakups yet they're the ones who are usually so cuckoo for commitment? hmmmm
@DonCachondo could that be a sign of guys trying to be more cautious about who we marry? possibly as a way to only marry once.
@magiusX26 strong possibility that's a major contributing factor!
Because maybe you actually do? Men have to put themselves out there are approach women knowing there's a high gurantee of rejection. We are the ones taking the initiative most of the time to talk to a girl and trying to ask her out. Girls just have to wait and decide if they'll date a guy or not.