Are Alpha Males a thing of the past?

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thehorriblesheikh · Accepted Answer

There is no such thing as an alpha male or a beta male anymore, human society has mostly grown out of the mindset of heirarchies. Soon enough, there won't be much of a difference between human beings. The winner and loser way of categorizing men (or women sometimes) was and is a conservative way of thinking. It has no place in liberal societies.

Conservative behavior has been scientifically linked to the neurotransmitter serotonin by Dr. Helen Fisher. Serotonin and dopamine (another neurotransmitter) have a strong affect on human behavior.

Modern society is more affected by dopamine than serotonin (societies of the past were not), it is our modern reward based lifestyle that has given dopamine more control than serotonin, since dopamine increases every time we get a reward (food, porn, sex, music, movies, etc), the more we get these rewards which increase dopmine, the more dopamine compels us to seek that reward again (kind of like an addiction), this creates a loop that constantly increases dopamine.

Dopamine based behavior is in many ways the opposite of serotonin based behavior, (when serotonin increases, dopamine tends to decrease). Serotonin increases apathy, social phobia, reduces libido (dopamine increases empathy, open-mindedness, libido, among other things). These effects of serotonin are likely why societies of the past were judgmental of sexual expression, it is also why people of the societies of the past were more ruthless and cold-hearted, and it is also why people of the societies of the past were tribalistic, anyone outside of the tribe (or religion, ideology, nation, etc) was the enemy. Another thing to note is that every time our social status increases in our society, our serotonin levels increase as well (this plays an important role in the formation of heirarchies, from where the structure of alpha males and beta males comes from, this has been seen among animals as well)

Islamic countries are still like that, the US is mainly dominated by a serotonin based mindset (though not as much as Islamic countries are) mainly because of conservatives. This is why the US is so hostile to other countries, and heartless when exercising it's military power over others. It is also why people of the US are quite judgmental about sexual expression. Modern Europe is the only society that can be called liberal, modern Europeans mainly have a dopamine based mindset, and that is why they are quite accepting of sexual expression, open to accepting people of different religions, ideologies, nations. It is also why they are not ruthless like the US, despite their military power.

Some other effects linked to dopamine are increased ability to learn and increased creativity, which is likely why most scientists and other intellectuals tend to be liberal, it is also why liberal societies are more scientifically advanced. Since dopamine also increases empathy, it is likely why liberals are more supportive of women, minorities, etc.

Every person has serotonin and dopamine in them, it is just the levels of these neurotransmitter that wary, and whichever is more dominant seems to control behavior the most.

If you want to learn this in depth, you can use serotonin increasing medications and dopamine increasing medications on yourself, and observe how your behavior, your whole personality changes.

SomeGuyCalledTom · Accepted Answer

I think the term has become too loaded with preconceptions to be useful, from a linguistic POV.

But of course high status men still exist, but the truly "alpha" guys never SAY they're an "alpha male". People around them simply infer their social status from their actions, behavior, attitude and overall poise.

The reason it's gotten so hard to talk about "the status issue" is thus:

The signifier* has taken on a perceived meaning of its own. A meaning which was never an objective, inherent quality of the signified**.

*[the word used to refer to something]
** [the thing being referred to]

By which I mean... alpha males do objectively exist in society the way they always have existed. But as soon as we use the term "alpha male", all these ancillary connotations and inferred meanings get projected onto the very concept itself.

This is partly a problem of cognition, but it's also a design flaw of language itself. By labelling something, you in some sense reduce its intrinsic nature down to an abstracted low resolution image. And then that image acts as a stand-in for the actual, objective phenomenon it's supposed to represent.

So it goes that when many people think "alpha male", the first image that comes to mind is the sort of basement dwelling 4chan losers who go round the internet TELLING WOMEN they're "alpha males". Point being, a "true" alpha wouldn't signal his arrival in such terms. He'd simply BE the man he is in his intrinsic nature, and people would FEEL that he has a certain "it factor" about him, a certain intangible charisma, a "quiet power" if you will. Of course, these too are low resolution abstractions, so by even pointing them out in writing, I'm in some sense misrepresenting the actual experience of being in the presence of an "alpha". But if we're going to have a conversation about male social status and influence, then we might need to update our terminology to avoid the unfortunate baggage attached to the low resolution images that come up when using terms like "alpha male".

purplepoppy · Accepted Answer

The problem I have is almost every guy describes himself as alpha because he thinks thats what a real mans supposed to be. He may be 30 living at home with mummy and work as a burger flipper but he'll claim to be alpha. They have zero power in the real world so they create the disillusion by naming themselves alpha online. I was on a course for handling aggressive animals and the group was told to close their eyes before given the instruction "if your the alpha of this room stand up" every single guy stood up. The alpha bullshit is dying out because women are getting sick of it. My grandmother is more alpha than most of these wannabes.

mamamai · Accepted Answer

I think some men have leadership qualities that might put them under that category. But men who call themselves alpha males, sound rather unintelligent. The whole “Alpha Male” label makes me picture some loser who lives in his mothers basement who blames his lack of wealth for women not wanting to go out with him, and he acts like a massive jerk to be “Alpha”

Brainsbeforebeauty · Answer

I wish this need to label everything and put everyone into a neat little box was a thing of the past...

ragequeen · Answer

Yes because modern feminism has encouraged females to become the alphas of society. So regardless of what men try to do in the future, they will be put down by females because they are "degrading" or "sexist".

chris0977 · Answer

I touch women a lot (not in "personal" areas), comment on body parts I like & rarely have any issues, only difference I find between myself & many guys who are as direct as me, is I also remember everything they tell me, if I sense they're upset am supportive, they need something they know I'm there.

What, in my experience, many men fail to realize, maybe because women don't make this clear enough, is women don't have a problem with men touching them (reasonably), or being direct on what they find attractive, what many seem to do is communicate this is all that matters to them (self-gratification).

They look at the woman like a PlayStation - something for their entertainment ("she's so hot", etc.) - with little effort to empathize (she's so hot... I'm going to tell her, not because trying to manipulate the situation (get something), but because I care about making another person happy).

Often these actions come back to the man selfishly focused on his pleasure with little (at best, nowhere near equal) concern to the other person... this has, nearly always, in my experience, been what bothers women, not a guy telling them they're attractive, or making any physical contact.

HATR3D · Answer

The truth is the dumb fuckers that still believe in this shit and teach it are holding society back from moving forward. I think it's retarded that people believe you're either alpha or beta, like no dumbass! Haven't you heard of the word personalities before? Everyone has a unique personality, our personallity are formed in many different ways. So saying your either alpha or beta is basically saying theirs only two personalities which is plain dumb. If you know anything about anything you'd know that every one acts different, behaves different etc. The fact that people tie up certain traits to this alpha and beta boolshit is also stupid. Most people associate leadership with an alpha trait, well guess what dumbass leadership is a skill not a trait only few posses! Meaning it can be learned. Literally anyone can learn how to lead and the whole establish dominance thing means nothing today. So you establish dominance then what? You're suppose to be some hardcore badass and we are suppose to be scared of you or someshit along those lines? You're a fucking idiot that's what you are. All those beliefs is what makes gender stereotypes and toxic masculinity, but oh wait "real men" don't believe in that. Why not instead of trying to prove to people you're an alpha you go do some better shit with you're life. Go work on yourself to be the best person you can be, start a business or someshit instead of trying to live up to that alpha shit. By the way I'm neither an alpha or beta if you really care about that crap, I'm what you dumbasses call a "lone wolf" I'm just living my own life, doing what ever I want and that's how life should be lived.

BlueEyedBirdWatcher · Answer

The term alpha male was coined because it was thought they resembled the alphas of a wolf pack. Who are the males who fight to become the leader who is allowed to bread, with the lead female, normally his sister, but could also be his mother or daughter. If a wolf is unseated as an alpha or loses a challenge they are banished and become lone wolves. Also a stupid word when applied to humans.

So alpha males may exist in very rural areas. But our society does not work like a wolf pack and the term alpha male has no real meaning, we could just use the words we are trying to mean, like confident or driven.

BigSis · Answer

We're living in a time and place where men are testing low T. I think any guy a hundred or so years ago would be considered an Alpha today. When people say "alpha", they mean normal, healthy human male. That's like calling a wolf an alpha male because he doesn't act like your lap dog.

mistixs · Answer

I think there are obviously some guys (namely, sexy and successful celebrities) who will get partners much more easily than your average Joe, but that's just common sense. Some people take an obvious fact and then distort it and call it "alpha male" then run away with it and make a weird philosophy over it.

princesssnowflake · Answer

There is such a thing as alpha and beta males. That is how we as a social and sexual society work. Despite those words being simply labels, those labels are meant to highlight the social hierarchy of our society. The problem is that each term is so misused and misunderstood that they’ve been twisted by people who want to mask who they are. An alpha male isn’t an aggressive and violent good for nothing. A beta isn’t a weak loser. An alpha is an outgoing natural leader, a charismatic pack builder, and a charming confident man who believes in himself. That confidence along with his natural leadership is what attracts people to him, and why alpha’s have a natural shine. A beta is a supportive and caring person who prefers to work by an alpha’s side or in the background rather than have the spotlight. He is that moral support that everyone needs. Both are needed in order for our society to work as it should.

jshm2 · Answer

Depends how you define it as we call such people "douchebags" instead of "alphas" these days.

Technically an "alpha" is the sort of boomer, right wing, and loud type, the workplace today has little time for these days.

Anonymous · Answer

If alpha male was a thing, all women would love arabic, middle eastern or even Asian men since they are more likely to be sexist , wanna be dominant and macho which people see as alpha. However, according to statistics white/european men are most desired men by women all over the world and we know that men in western countries respect women more than in third countries.

Sonorous · Answer

No. The archetypes are valid but people just need to use them correctly.

Like the guy in the video says, they're based on patterns of behavior mainly specific to financial and dating success. They're not a concrete way of determining how a person will always be or act. Someone will never always be an alpha, beta, sigma, delta, or omega. Though there can be recurring archetypes, they will change with the environment, subject, how a person feels that day, etc. Here's a rundown of how people should view them:

https://youtu. be/l0ur76Y6Ul4

RJJ33666 · Answer

Alpha males are not a thing of the past. Its just that now in the new generation, not a lot of people use this term. Their are still the supposed alpha males. Its a part of nature if you think about it. Every species has a similar concept in their groups and for each species the alpha male is decide in a different way. Alpha males are still very much existent, its just that nowadays these males don't present or project themselves like the older generation. They remain within their own bounds, but are still very active.

sammy1537 · Answer

No, it's not. Mind you, alpha females exist as well. Just take a look at the top executives in large corporations or leaders of countries. While the word "alpha" seems to be declining in use, it does not mean that leadership is also declining. If you ever read about the "alphas" like Golda Meir, Steve Jobs, Margaret Thatcher, you will find that these people possessed the "alpha" traits. They acted when others waited for others to decide. They lead by getting others to joinin their cause either by inspiration, force or reward.

World is full of alphas. If they disappear, the civilization will die.

Pummel · Answer

What does that mean? Alpha male.
I don't mean that sarcastically or in a condescending manner.

If it means... are there men who would protect and defend a female human being no matter if he knows them or not, or holding the door open for a lady, or pulling out her chair, or offering her my umbrella during a rain storm or just smiling at her because she is beautiful ( smiling not to get a date or something in return, no but just because she may remind you of someone)

Than I don't know, but I do know that I will never stop doing these things.

bamesjond0069 · Answer

Well im the owner of a multi million dollar company with two submissive obedient girl friends and a trained fighter and survivalist. Obviously super beta.

FýrdracaDócincel · Answer

It never was a thing..

What most people don't understand is that genuine alphas, people who don't give a fuck and go their own way, aren't good for society.

They're rejected by society.. they don't run it. You need to be a beta to be tolerated enough to be successful in society.. otherwise society will find a way to screw you over because you don't fit in with everyone else.

I have accepted that I will most likely die young getting stabbed by some fuckwit I pissed off or shot by a police officer I didn't take the bullshit of. People will see my death as necessary, not because they're alphas, but because they're betas.

kaylaS91 · Answer

Yeah. Women have standards now so violence/misogynistic behaviour is no longer applauded by anyone.

Anonymous · Answer

Hopefully Coach by the way you should post more. G@G's in lack of interesting questions nowadays

TremorJay · Answer

If only the world were so black & white. These terms are meant to simplify a concept of male prosperity. Their meant to help people understand something very complex, but instead they're used to shame some and inflate others. From a previous poll I posted on this site, I've reached a general consensus that these conversations do more harm than good. To each their own

douride2 · Answer

The only place alphas ever existed was in the minds of those who thought they were alphas.

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