Why do men talk to women that are out of their league?

[babysteph]

so many guys will approach women that are of higher class, higher wealth, higher education, higher level of attractiveness, etc etc.

why do they do it?

I have my personal experiences and opinions about this, but I want to know what you guys think.

Thanks

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+1 y

there are a lot of very cocky guys on G@G 😂

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+1 y

I have been called a disgusting bitch, a whore, an entitled gold digger, and so many other awful things for simply asking a question. Did I include my own beliefs? No. Did I say everyone has to agree with the concept of leagues? Not at all. If you’re upset or bothered by this question, you’ve taken it much too personally.

[Anonymous]

lolol

As a very pretty *but fat* girl who has to read guys talking about how fat girls shouldn't talk to xyz type of guy, I endorse your candidacy for president. Thank you, girl! xD

Guys also love to talk about how women tend to "date up," when we can easily say the same thing for men when it comes to looks. I think there was even research that shows most messages online go to like the top percentage of women based on conventional ideas of attractiveness.

I don't truly believe in leagues. I've dated guys that some believe are out of my league just based on body type. I don't really care, as long as you are respectful when you open your mouth to speak to me and are just a nice person. However, I do notice the men have double standards for leagues. They'll talk down about "less attractive women," but when a woman does the same about them, their feelings get hurt. Sometimes these are different men speaking... sometimes it's the same groups.

No one should think they're better than anyone, but if men can be picky, then so can women.

Now, I will say that class compatibility is a huge thing that goes beyond just appearances. I went against my religion and (very very very briefly) dated a guy who made significantly less than I do recently because he seemed nice and cute, and it was just as much of a disaster and "No" situation as I thought it would be. Partly because of his limited means and partly because I couldn't get beyond the lack of ambition, drive, and the level of serious "building a life together" that I'm seeking. For me, it just doesn't work. I'm 30 so I kind of expect a certain level of accomplishment at this point.

[babysteph]

you’re welcome girl 💖

[Zeus_66]

Oh, when I say dumbass question, I mean @babysteph and her dumbass question. Her curse will end up being what happened to you.

[Opinion Owner]

@Zeus_66

What curse are you talking about?
You sound like a sexist crybaby.
Why does this question threaten you so much?

[navyrobin]

Don’t listen to this idiot “zeus.” He’s nothing but a narcissistic worthless lunatic. 😂

Fun fact: He has daughters, unfortunately, I feel extremely sorry for them. I hope they get far away from his ass A-S-A-P

[navyrobin]

By the way, anonymous opinion owner, I agree with this post. You sound like someone with a good head on their shoulders.

[Zeus_66]

I can't see the dumb bitch @navyrobin posts. You see, she is a weak ass bitch that blocks, then wants to talk shit because she can't handle the heat. Wanna read some of this cunt's responses to comments, you should read her 250+ response thread back and forth with a guy because she doesn't realize she needs to quit while she's behind. @navyrobin is a classic war deficit. Regardless of your disagreement with my opinion or not, watch out for this nasty harlot. She deserves Captain's Mass based on principle.

[navyrobin]

@Zeus_66 I hit a nerve didn’t I? I’m happy.

[Zeus_66]

If that is you responding, again you blocked me. I can't see anything you are writing. Unblock and have some guts.

[navyrobin]

@Zeus_66 You can see what I write, you just need to have some brains to figure out how to do that ;)

[navyrobin]

@Zeus_66 But I guess you don’t have them. 😋

[Zeus_66]

Just did right now in fact. Now unblock and keep it fucking real. You're even weaker now than you were a few weeks ago.

[navyrobin]

@Zeus_66 LOL! “Weak” he says. You abuse your daughters, who’s the real weak trailer trash here? You, babe ☺️

[Zeus_66]

You've got something to say? Then unblock, request me, and tell me in DM.

[navyrobin]

I hope they’re able to heal because you’re an abusive son of a bitch who doesn’t understand the concept of respect or equality. You don’t. I feel really sorry for them. If they end up with a violent maniac, it’s your fault sweetheart.

[Zeus_66]

Not running through this process every single time. Unblock and grow a pair.

I don't abuse anybody in my family. Love how you make shit up and say nasty shit. You deserve the mean responses.

No trailer here on my $250k salary, babe. My Porsche 718 S costs more than your double wide.

[Zeus_66]

This is my last response unless you unblock me and actually have a dialogue with me.

[navyrobin]

In 40 years that is what you managed to make? Cute. I already make $120k a year due to my online business and I’m half your age. I bet you weren’t even close to that when you were my age.

You don’t abuse your family you say? I highly doubt it. You’re a narcissistic little bitch who thinks he’s tHe MaN 🤡🤡

You make me laugh.

[navyrobin]

If you can see what I write, you can have a dialogue with me. But you’re using me blocking you as an excuse to stop talking. You’re a little pussy 🤡

[Zeus_66]

Unblock me and you'll be surprised with what I really have to say. If not, enjoy.

[navyrobin]

I’ll tell you how I know you abuse them.

My father would NEVER talk to a stranger the way you’re talking to me. NEVER.

And he’s a respectful person that I’ve always loved and looked up to and admired. he's my rock.

That’s the difference between a real man and a little pussy acting like he’s the shit. You are nothing but a worthless shit rag.

[navyrobin]

You can say it. No one is stopping you.

:)

[Opinion Owner]

@Zeus_66

All these sexist attacks at a woman you don't know online. I sure hope you don't actually have daughters. Not that you should need daughters to not be a very rude and sexist person.

I'm still waiting for you to define what my curse is. Please please do it. I'm interested to know if you're being as shallow as you accuse the Asker of being, hmm. Please tell me - what's my curse?

[Opinion Owner]

@Zeus_66

And now you're threatening to be even more disgusting in your language to this person? Say what you have to say to her here. Don't hide it. Show the world who you are. Makes it easy to believe you're abusive and not fit to be anyone's father. Good lord. Please seek therapy. There's no shame in going, especially if are a caretaker of young girls.

[Opinion Owner]

@navyrobin He sounds off his rocker tbh. I'm very turned off by his inability to string together thoughts without a string of sexists insults. How men like this think they have any position to call anyone else a dumbass is laughable.

And I'm still waiting on him to explain what my curse is, after he tried to call the @babysteph shallow in a previous comment lolol

[babysteph]

I mean it’s ridiculous at this point. I don’t even know what’s happening tbh I’m just watching the replies for a good laugh.

[Zeus_66]

Nothing to say to you, Opinion Owner. @babysteph, you are correct. It is ridiculous. Amazing how people dismiss her disgusting and vulgar language. However, I push back and I'm a SEXIST! Typical. It is quite sad. @navyrobin thinks I am somehow threatening her? No. I told her to unblock so we can actually engage in a good dialogue. That is what I meant by her seeing what I can really say.

I asked you all to look at what this woman writes all over GAG. You haven't, then you treat me like you say I shouldn't treat people. So you're not tracking that this woman straight up told me that I should force my daughter to perform oral sex on me. With the other person she said this with, I have resolution with. Why won't she talk to me about her actions? I'm more than willing to hold myself accountable wherever. Not much to ask for in return. But as previously stated, she wants it both wants; to be a bully and to be a victim at the same time. Sad that some of you actually are falling for that and in return have nothing but nasty things to say to me.

[navyrobin]

@Zeus_66 Sure man, you’re the victim here. That’s what you think right?

[navyrobin]

Since you think me standing up for myself is “vulgar”, then yes for sure I have an easy time knowing that you’re an abusive little bitch who treats his daughters like trash

[Zeus_66]

As I have kept asking you to unblock me so we can have a discussion. And you keep on keeping with it. Unblock me and reach out. You'll be pleasantly surprised.

[navyrobin]

I’m not that interested in what you have to say. You can always say it here if you want. If you don’t, i couldn’t care less.

[navyrobin]

@babysteph Lmao same I’m having a good laugh over here 😂😂

[navyrobin]

You WILL get a lot of hate for asking about guy’s behavior or why do guys say/do X Y Z.


So prepare yourself for that. There are a lot of sensitive morons here.


To answer your question though, it depends. A lot of guys just wanna see if they can “score” the girl and be with her. Other times, they consider her a friend already (for example, they’ve talked a lot already and now he’s feeling something for her) and he’s falling for her.


It really depends on the guy. But if he’s randomly approaching her out of nowhere, chances are he will be rejected. She has much better options.

[babysteph]

Honestly in my experience, men can’t take SHIT on G@G. When a girl talks about her sex life, they love her. But as soon as she has an opinion or a brain, they send her death threats and call her a bitch or whore. It’s ridiculous.

[babysteph]

That’s been my experience as well for the most part. There was some question something like “why do men lack confidence?” and it was just your average G@G man shitting on women and blaming them for all of their problems. Completely ridiculous. I don’t know a single man in my personal life that would ever create some bullshit like that in his head and actually believe it. I genuinely believe it’s a quality exclusive to G@G men and their friends.

[navyrobin]

It’s actually funny asf tho. Their misery is seeping through the cracks.

[IAMNathanael]

I just gotta say on behalf of the cool guys on gag, they are here.

[babysteph]

@IAMNathanael you’d consider yourself a cool guy?

[Yaaten]

It's simple really. If men didn't speak to women who were considered to be "out of their league", the women in question wouldn't have anyone at all to talk to, because such women are, on average, entitled and conceited to the point of thinking themselves to be out of everyone's "league", with the possible exception of the mythical 183 cm and above, billionaire male supermodel who can read her mind and does whatever she pleases. Women (even the ugly and fat ones) often have expectations that are, to say the very least, unreasonable when it comes to dating, and have this very, very long list of demands that in all seriousness cannot be considered to be anything other than a joke.
I don't think of anyone as being "out of my league", because the very concept of "leagues" is absurd. People meet up and form relationships for all kinds of reasons, and we aren't all shallow, materialistic and vain. Perhaps you are, and that's why you're even asking this absurd question.

[babysteph]

Okay so at no point in that “answer” did you actually reply to your question. You just shamed women and made assumptions about them. Try again.

[scooogy]

So that McFly can sing that song:

https://www.youtube.com/embed/Fz-rXZGtno0

[babysteph]

Finally a funny one. You might win MHO

[navyrobin]

😂 Scoogy is one of the cool guys

[TruthBringer]

We can ask the same thing for women. Why are they hooking up, marrying or getting into relationships with men of higher class, higher wealth, higher education and even higher level of attractiveness? Why are we not questioning that?

In any way, it is a "shoot your shot" scenario. If it works, then it works. If it doesn't at least you've tried. There is something called confidence and having an abundance mindset. Just because a woman may have a higher education, doesn't mean they can't be happy with someone of a lower education. Same goes for beauty as that is in the eye of the beholder. Although I have a strong opinion that someone who is fit is more entitled to reject someone who is fat (as an example). But whatever makes people happy, so to each their own.

Reality is, the higher your "league", the higher the chance of having success in getting with someone of a higher league. And every person has the right to reject someone that has not put the same amount of effort as they did to achieve something. For example, a doctor has the right to reject a McDonalds employee

[babysteph]

well yeah the same thing can be asked about women. I asked about men because I see it occur significantly more with that gender. I think women aim for men in leagues higher than their own because historically we have not been expected to have money (because we did not work). Now that women do work (or have rich daddies, like me) and have access to education, wealth, class, etc of their own accord, it’s interesting to see men of lower leagues approach them.

[TruthBringer]

Men have 20x more testosterone so it's only natural for them to do so. And don't forget that often, men can't sniff one's education or line of work when they approach them. And from what I've seen, it's actually men who get with women of a lower league (financially and career wise). It's far more common for a CEO to get with a secretary than with another female CEO. I myself am dating a girl who is at least 2 or 3 tiers lower than me in education. So it really depends on the context of where and how they talk to these women. I've also seen hot women who get with "ugly" guys. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. Must be something about those dudes that compensate for their looks. Higher wealth doesn't mean much if that woman hasn't worked for that wealth herself. That doesn't make her of 'higher league'.

Whatever it is, I'm all for men being ambitious and strive to achieve of higher levels. That's why I support the idea that if you've worked hard for something, you're entitled to have a standard for a partner that has done the same. I myself have worked hard to get a strong and aesthetic body. That's why you don't see me date chubby/fat girls. I've also finished university, have a healthy upbringing and carry myself profesionally so you won't see me with some 'street' or 'hood' girl.

[Crimson811]

What you said didn’t make any sense. If the guy thought that woman was out of his league and he could do better, then he wouldn’t be marrying her that’s for sure. I agree with the asker, it tends to be more common for guys to pursue women who are outta their league.

[TruthBringer]

@Crimson811 Go ahead and explain how what I said "didn't make sense". My point is clear: It is a numbers game. Shooting your shot. Ask enough women who are "above a man's league" and you'll eventually score one if not two. I remember Billie Eilish complain about seeing "ugly men" with attractive women. It's because these men chose to shoot their shot and happened to get lucky the woman was into them.

As for a man thinking he is out of someone's league and not marrying her, goes to show you don't know how men think. Men don't necessarily think whether he is out of a woman's league or not. That's typically a female thing. You often see WOMEN think about whether they are out of a man's league or not. That's because women like to date UP, and not down. Meaning, women date men they can look up to. As for MEN, men choose women they can trust, are feminine, caring and loving. Research has shown that men are less picky when it comes to looks compared to women. So you'll more likely find a more attractive man with a 'lesser' attractive woman. I see it all the time.

Men pursue women who are out of their leagues because they pursue beauty. Not because they happen to be out of their league.

[Newhead]

For an ego boost which usually ends in tragedy for the person higher up. From my personal experience, when I date down I always regret it, but my last experience with this will be my last as I am still recovering. A guy below my standard ruined my life a year ago and went on to care zero until karma hit him.

He even chose women on his level over me, as soon as he got the attention he wanted from associating with me, and ended up spending his money over there, even though he caused me to lose mine. Stay in your league, those lower than you will never respect you or even show appreciation, they take advantage.

[babysteph]

many points of that were true to the experiences of my friends as well. I’ve never dated down so I can’t say the same but I know how much it sucks

[Newhead]

Good for you, baby.

[babysteph]

people honestly have been really selfish in their responses to this question. Like they’re totally projecting how they perceive their own status on me. I have never once said that I’m better than any other person here. All I did was pose a question, and I’ve been getting totally shit on. It’s ridiculous, and honestly all it does is prove a point.

[Newhead]

You have every reason to hold yourself to high standards baby. But I will advise you to follow your guts when it comes to matters of the heart. You may find someone who is not physically your type, but you two have a spark. The guy who screwed me over was a soulmate of mine, but he messed up our destiny by doing me wrong.

It really was only settling because of his behavior and what he allowed to happen to me which caused trauma, because of this, my psychic said God will send me hotter than him who has a lot of money, which is my reward for what I went through and his karma for doing what he did. I only saw what he looked like when God removed love from my heart for him, funny how that works.

[lordskull69]

I talk to girls that I sense want to be talked to. I guess I can't really answer this question I'm not a fucking cocky bastards that goes around going hey baby. I interact with people and if the gauntlet gets thrown down I'll take a shot. I guess some of us are subtle in our approach at first. Others well... then there is the others. But at the end of the day in the bedroom we are on an even playing field and typicaly I dominate. If anyone knows star charts? My 5th house has the sun and jupiter in it. Im a sexual power house 😁

[babysteph]

you had me until you got to the stars part

[lordskull69]

All in good fun 😁

[loveslongnails]

This is a rather simple answer, but it's true: EGO
Most men don't recognize their limitations, and their ego makes them think that any woman is "in their league" because they're so desirable.
Kinda' funny, isn't it? by the way, wealth isn't really as much a factor as one might think "except" for the opportunities it presents for who you meet. It's not an indicator of intelligence.

[babysteph]

agreed. Ego is probably the biggest factor. and that disgusts me, honestly. the entitlement. I never said wealth is an indicator of intelligence, though. I’ve seen Good Will Hunting lol. but intelligence and education are qualities that would put people in separate leagues

[loveslongnails]

Yes, they are dividing factors. I don't see "ego" as entitlement, or self-entitlement even. It's more like a lack of understanding or acceptance of one's abilities, and certainly a lack of humility. It's good that you recognize these things at your young age :)

[babysteph]

thank you. I’ve had a lot of experience with this and it’s really been getting to me lately.

[loveslongnails]

Feel free to message me if you need to talk !

[J2ohhhhh]

My status is not matching my potential. At the moment I'm just in the middle. Half the people make less than me and other half of them make more. But in 10 years I expect to be in top 10%. And in 20 in top 1%. So a girl who is in top 30% would be equal to the average of my potential and my current position. When I get in top 10% a 30% would be a downgrade. But if she takes the risk now there is something that bounds us and I could respect her more for taking a risk. I wouldn't date anyone in my "league" cus I am not planning to stay here too long.

[_Troian_]

Because they know girls don't care about looks anyway, I don't know how it works in USA but I know many guys in my country who look not something special but when it comes to speaking with women and complimenting them they're the best. You can see many short, weak, sissy guys hanging around with sexy women just because of their communication skills. Its not all about looks, women in general don't give a shit about looks even if they say they do its not like that. So men know its not something big for them to look ugly or sissy and they just focus on grabbing them from the p*ssay.

[Rockingjoe]

We just want a chance with a girl and that means any girl. If the girl who is above our league give us guys a chance even to a average and below average person. If she says yes to going on a date or even a relationship it gives us confidence to ask any girl out even provide us proof that no one will judge us only on looks and if we have a six pack or not. All these movies and male actors have just proves that girls only want guy's who have everything in terms of looks, six pack abs and hot body that girls melt and only want that guy instead of an average Joe.

[Jjpayne]

For me, it's about not limited themselves to status but what they have to offer. Let's be fair and say if you are sleazy, greasy and dirty and you try to come up to a higher class person you should be shot down but let's go back to a movie that everyone knows

Why does jack even try with rose! He has absolutely no chance and she even tells him this herself! Why does he keep trying? The answer I think is at the end of the movie.. if you keep fighting for a girls love, sometimes you can get it

[babysteph]

haha

[Anonymous]

The same reason they send unsolicited dick pics, the same reason they'll ask on the first meeting if you're DTF, and the same reason construction workers cat-call at hot chicks. Also the same reason scammer still send emails saying they have access to the fortune of a Nigerian prince and if you'd only wire $10,000 to this bank account they'll be able to send you millions as a reward: Because sometimes it works. And while it works VERY infrequently, it works often enough that it more than compensates for the marginal effort required to take a lot of very low percentage shots.

So really, it's pretty obvious why they would do so. Hope that explains it for you.

[Youryeodongsaeng]

To me, I'll think, "It depends on what kind of talking."
If it's just to start a friendly conversation, then maybe they were just being friendly. If they are just trying to flirt, why do they have the audacity to even try? If the out-of-league is flattered by it and would want to start off as friends, then who cares? Mind them, they will be careful at picking their friends.

[Gwenhwyfar]

Not sure lol. But you are defo in a league of your own 😊.

[babysteph]

most definitely 😂💖

[Anonymous]

Nice question. Now I know that why unwanted guys always approached me.
They are overconfident and think that they only deserve the best. Even if they're useless, simply suck or good for nothing, they want a better woman.
They look like a rotten potato but want a woman like Emma Watson or Selena Gomez.

[babysteph]

Overconfident for sure. The responses I’ve gotten to this question here and in my DM are crazy. It’s like they’re completely out of touch with reality

[Opinion Owner]

They wanna have dominance and control. At the same time they will body shame and will get creeped out if a girl below their league proposes them. They feel that they're entitled to better girls.

[babysteph]

It’s definitely interesting. Someone earlier referred to the women that approach him as “land whales”. and I was like well damn now you know how I feel 🙄 no one likes it when people who are under their class approach them.

[Opinion Owner]

They argue that men in general want good partner. What about women? We also want a good partner. When he says "I want unique, smart, caring and a pretty girl but he's low quality then it feels like a trash is trying to dump itself on me".

[babysteph]

true

[Opinion Owner]

After seeing your update it proves that not only they're overconfident but also entitled manwhores who believe that a high quality woman shall surrender herself to them. Otherwise she's being arrogant b*tch. That's how these shitty low quality men think.

[babysteph]

I mean it’s ridiculous that people who don’t know me would call me such things for bringing up a topic of debate. I have never once said that I’m better than anyone. because I don’t think that way.

[Opinion Owner]

Ignore them. They have low self esteem. You just posted the good debate. As though they don't have any preference. They're hypocrites. These same people have their version of 'leagues'.

[babysteph]

in all honesty it’s absolutely ridiculous. No one deserves to get rape threats or death threats or to be called out of their name for having a fucking opinion or posing a question. Like that’s the whole point of this website, and if people can’t handle it in a mature way, they should leave

[Opinion Owner]

Report them and block them. Men are garbage only. And I'm sure some bitchy butthurt females who loves to please men are equally offended.

[babysteph]

yeah that’s what I’m doing. It’s funny, honestly. They’re only proving me right.

[Opinion Owner]

They're LYING that they don't believe in leagues. Will they marry a beggar on streets? No! Will they marry mentally or physically disabled person? Isn't all that also part of leagues?

[babysteph]

you’re absolutely right. apparently only a few of us are being honest here.

[Twalli]

That's why I go for friendships. Everyone likes compliments and if we're friends I have a better idea of whether or not you think you're out of my league.

[babysteph]

👏👏👏 nice. makes sense.

[iFarted]

If they don't try they'll have 0 chance. Might as well take that slim chance. Can't blame the guy right?

This question is sort like if a guy asked, Why do girls who have nothing to offer but their looks and body want a guy who is and has a good career, intelligent, fit, handsome and rich?

[babysteph]

Eh I can definitely blame him if he feels entitled and wastes my time

[Anonymous]

A lot of women aren't interested in looks so much, so if an unattractive man is interested in us, he has a chance. As long as he's good to us. I'd rather have a decent man who treats me right rather than a good looking man who doesn't know how to treat a lady like a lady.

[WesBrewer]

2 reasons I would do it, 1. probably not this one but if I like the girl and taught if we were friends for a long time it's possible. 2. most likely for me, I just want a friend and she looks like someone I would want to be friends with.

[babysteph]

I’m not talking about kids who just want friends though 😂

[WesBrewer]

then it's probably just a hopeless romantic trying to shoot higher than he can see.

[babysteph]

Hopeless romantic or delusional low quality man. Whatever you want to call it. You’re young so I don’t expect you to totally understand but give it about 10 years and you might start to notice some things

[WesBrewer]

haha, thanks, I'll get back to you in 10 years if I remember it then lol

[babysteph]

😂😂 I’ll be waiting

[WesBrewer]

It's now on my calendar hope I don't forget after all that time.

[babysteph]

Lol 💖

[Static_In_The_Attic]

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I always say there is no such thing as talking to women out of your league & if you like someone go for it because you have a 50/50 shot. On the other hand women talk to guys out of their league all the time & the above photo is one of them.

[babysteph]

lol he knows she’s with him for the money. If not he’s totally brainless and if she takes advantage of that then she just got lucky

[Static_In_The_Attic]

I’m willing to bet this guy is brainless & probably broke by now thanks to her.

[babysteph]

well then I pity him. But I don’t blame her

[CYNICAL_CRYPTIC]

Out of your league means that person has no esteem what so ever and thinks they're beneath another. Fuck that, ain't no girl got
it like that over me. Not cocky but shit, I know my value and fuck your looks!

[babysteph]

You seem very aggravated. and that wasn’t an answer to the question. but ok

[Anonymous]

Well some of them do so because they think that no matter what they will always be in a higher league then women. Others because they like her for personality. If by talk you mean flirt then that is my answer. But if you mean engage in a normal conversation then i say "people can talk to other people"

[babysteph]

I mean talking to pursue a sexual relationship

[Bakry123]

Because men in genral want to have a good partner and when they see other do the same thing and succeed it come to his mind why not me its a competitive thing by nature i think 😅

[babysteph]

kinda makes sense