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it depends if they are attracted to the mother's, after all whether they have kids or not does not define who a person is, it can however highlight whether or not they are good around kids, so if planning on having kids then it could be a sign of if they are going to be a good choice or not though...
I am not even sure why this would be question, there is nothing wrong with dating a single mother. Does having a child make one exempt from love merely because the other people doesn't have kids too? If you look at a child and all you think about is being a backup plan than you need therapy more than I do, and buddy that's pretty bad.
hell yeah
Sure, I don't know why there would be any issue with two consenting adults entering into a relationship. Also he is opperating under the conception that somehow a man in such a relationship is "forced" to provide for her kids. The financial contributions of the man in the relationship is entirely up to what he's willing to do so I don't know how he's getting taken advantage of here.
Simple
If a man want, he can
If he does not want, he can.
Whether it is a man or woman, both has the right to choose or reject.
obviously nobody is stopping his ass. but me personally I say hell no!
that dude is right as he isn't valuing himself if he's down to raise and put up all the mental, physical and financial stress with kids who aren't even his. even worst the single mom is dating is probably with him for that reason only, and probably the real father of those brats dont even appreciate what he's doing
Cucking can sometimes be used to refer to a man raising or investing parental effort into a kid, that is not his own.
And I'm not into either.
The better question is not whether childless men should date single moms but why should childless men date single moms.
Because they love the mother? And as they get to know the kids he loves them as his own?
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Practically so. It's certainly not for me.
It could be the same with single fathers as well this doesn't just happen to women. So it's just up to the person.
@SuzuBrooke true that!
@Unit1 Wel said. What I've noticed is that people who advocate for this idea are often oblivious to the dangers for men who date single-mothers. So many ex-step fathers warn about the cons of dating single mothers. And it's wise to heed their warning. It's often a lose-lose situation for men. Besides, falling in love is not so out of control as people make it to be. You can fall for so many people. It's best to fall in love with someone who is worth it in the end. I'd choose to do so with women who don't have kids.
@TruthBringer I know right?
I remember getting like 10 pink downvotes for literally saying "Hey, if it wasn't me, who had sex and ejaculated inside her, then it's not gonna be me, who'll pay for it". In essence I said I'm not dating single mothers.
I bet it were those lazy freeloaders again, who (1) want to have the pleasure of having irresponsible sex and then (2) find some sucker/simp to cuck him to pay for her and her kid (s) because it's "part for the love" (I felt loved more by prostitutes).
@Unit1 You've described the majority of women here on GAG. They will toss all kind of terms like "misogynist", "incel", "gay" etc. all because you refuse to allow yourself to get used by taking up responsibilities that aren't yours just so some female can profit off of YOUR hard earned resources. These are the same people who scream "men ain't shit" or "I'm strong and independent who don't need a man", but get mad when men let them practice what they preach. They want to have their cake and eat it too. I can guarantee you that they will not hestitate ditching single fathers themselves, but somehow we aren't allowed to reject single mothers. Right now I'm getting hate because I simply say I don't respect sluts as much as I respect women who don't open their legs for multiple men. Guess what they call me? a "misogynistic incel". Even though I'm in a healthy relationship with a loving girl, who is neither a slut nor a single mother. It's because of these idiots that groups like MGTOW were born. No fucking wonder groups like MGTOW are growing (which I'm not part of).
@TruthBringer All true that man. They act like those kids, that cry at the checkout because their parents didn't buy them a chupa chups.
@TruthBringer If you don't want to be a step father fine. But you think those who chose to love a woman as well as her children as his own is stupid or less of a man?
@ThisIsMyOpinion Less of a man compared to high value men who can have their pick because they have worked hard on themselves and are very well aware of the dangers that often come with dating single mothers? Yes. Are they less of human beings? No. Can they lead happy lives with single mothers? Yes. Does it often go wrong? Yes. It's basically the same principle with long distance relationships. They CAN work, but the majority don't.
When it comes to single mothers, I simply choose not to invest in children not my own and refuse to settle with a woman who sees me as a second option. If someone chooses to be a step father, that is none of my concern. At the same time it's none of their concern if I see them as a lesser man.
@TruthBringer Oh so a high value man would never take a women who left her husband because he cheated on her? A value men would never chose a woman who was raped and decide not to abort? A high value man would never chose a women who decided to care for her child when the father for a millions reasons wouldn't? Don't talk like they are not high value women becuese they are mothers. They are the parents who didn't walked away from their children.
Yes I will say the same for single fathers.
If you don't want fine. Nothing wrong with that. But yes, if you see them as lesser men you are dead wrong because they are not lesser women.
I really want to understand you on this. Women who are raped, who are beaten by their husbands, who are cheat on, etc. Are they supposed to stay with them? To be abused and cheated on? Are they supposed to dump the children for adoption? What do you expect? What's your solution? Don't have one? Then why do you lable them as lesser women?
@ThisIsMyOpinion “Oh so a high value man would never take a women who left her husband because he cheated on her?”
– Didn’t say that. Putting words in my mouth now. Strawman much? Yet at the same time, why did the man cheat? Or are you immediately siding with the woman, because well muh wahmen are “oppressed”? Maybe it’s her behavior that has lead the man to cheat, who knows? Since you’re such a fan of pointing to exceptions, why not mention one here?
“A value men would never chose a woman who was raped and decide not to abort?”
– Another strawman argument. Pointing to exceptions to the rule does not disprove the rule. Most single mothers or childless mothers aren’t victim of rape as far as I know. By the way, what does a woman who got raped and decided to abort have anything to do with this topic?
“A high value man would never chose a women who decided to care for her child when the father for a millions reasons wouldn't?”
- You got that right. Single mothers are single mothers. Many single mothers take care of their child. Still doesn’t make a difference that a high value man who can get with CHILDLESS women won’t get with one who does have children not his own. By the way, this also reflects back to the woman, why is she opening her legs for the wrong men? See? Ever heard of accountability? She wouldn’t be in this problem if she didn’t open her legs for deadbeat fathers, to begin with. It means she has poor judgment of character. Your strawman arguments act like a double edged sword and are thereby flawed to their core.
@ThisIsMyOpinion “A high value man would never chose a women who decided to care for her child when the father for a millions reasons wouldn't?”
- You got that right. Single mothers are single mothers. Many single mothers take care of their child. Still doesn’t make a difference that a high value man who can get with CHILDLESS women won’t get with one who does have children not his own. By the way, this also reflects back to the woman, why is she opening her legs for the wrong men? See? Ever heard of accountability? She wouldn’t be in this problem if she didn’t open her legs for deadbeat fathers, to begin with. It means she has poor judgment of character.
“Don't talk like they are not high value women becuese they are mothers.“
- I’ve never said these mothers aren’t high value. You keep pulling things out of your arse and shove it in my mouth. But since you’ve commented, there are many examples of these women who are NOT high value. And in the eyes of the sexual market place, they are LESSER of value compared to childless women. Same principle as women in their 20s are much more valued in terms of dating than women in their 40s.
Raped women, those who got beaten are victims of horrible acts. And they shouldn’t stay with them. Not sure where you think I implied that. Twisted interpretation you got there. Even though some of these cases could have been prevented if the woman didn’t ignore red flags from the start. @Cataphract made a VERY good point --> “At the very least, the "les guilty side" is guilty of not seeing the red flags and remaining in such a relationships. The longer such a relationship lasts the bigger is the fault of the "less guilty" side, and if it got to kids, that is the ultimate mistake.”. <-- Let that sink in, pal.
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You don’t try to understand me, clearly. Because you resort to nothing other than strawman arguments, gas lighting and clearly unwilling to research this topic from other men’s perspectives. Otherwise you wouldn’t be so defensive on a topic you’re CLEARLY uneducated about. Dating single mothers is generally a LOSE-LOSE situation for a man. Plain and simple. They should go date single fathers as that is a much balanced relationship. A childless man should have no business getting with single mothers. And they mostly do so because they want the woman, not the kids. If they have to choose to be with her with or without the kids, they are going to choose the latter.
@TruthBringer I am not saying you said that. It had a "?" at thwe end right? All were questions not statements.
I don't side with anyone that cheats unless their partner has done something terrible. When I gave my examples of course I am not talking about the ones where the woman is an evil bitch. It happens. But what also happens is that the man is a bastard and those are the cases I refered to.
Not all, no. But you did put all stepfather and single mother in the same basket, those included, did you not?
Another question, not a statement.
He can still have children with her. What stops him? If he likes her, he likes her kids and can have his own with her. What is the issue?
Why is she opening her legs to the wrong men? My guess is that they did saw them as good men. At first at least.
@TruthBringer You don't think single mothers are low value, but you think men who chose them are. Makes no sense.
Again I didn't said you said anything. I asked you what your plans for them were then? What do you suggest for them to do? Since they are not worthy to high value men if they leave. But you agree they must leave? Then what is your solution?
Sure some women have kids with men who show them all those red flags. But you really think most of them do? Do you really think that they have children with them thinking they will be bad fathers? Let that sink in.
@TruthBringer I made questions. Never assumptions or put words in your mouth. That's not how I argue.
Of course when they start dating they want the mother and not the kids. But why not the kids? They are as much source of headhaches as they are of happyness. If a man wants to also have them. Why not? Why that's a lose lose situation. Or are you assuming that they will always be treated like crap and just leeeched out of their resources and life?
@ThisIsMyOpinion Cheating itself is an unjustifiable act. Yet when it comes to cheating, it’s often a man’s fault. If a man cheats, it’s his fault. If a woman cheats, it’s still his fault because he “must have done something bad” or “didn’t make her happy”. Somehow we barely apply this to cheating men. So my question to you is, why did he cheat? Did she not make him happy? Reflects to her. Did she do everything right and he still cheated, because he is a “bastard” as you say? Still reflects badly to her. Why did she get with this bastard? Red flags show themselves more than people are willing to recognize them. People don’t change. They just become more of who they are. And if she didn’t see that, then that only validates what I said --> poor judgment of character.
You should understand that single mothers are a thorn in the back to a childless man. Doesn’t make the woman herself bad. She thinks about her kids and her own survival. Doesn’t take away the fact it’s still a lose-lose for the man. Childless women should also not get with single fathers. So the same rule applies. Even though the single father may not need her for her resources, a childless woman should focus on starting a family with a childless man.
He can still have children, but also take care of kids not his and has to deal with all the cons that dating a single mother can bring. If he likes her and wants the kids aswel, then he is free to do whatever he likes. We all are. If that is what truly makes him happy, he should go for it. But for the majority of us? We don’t want that. Hence why this is a taboo subject.
@ThisIsMyOpinion “You don't think single mothers are low value, but you think men who chose them are. “
- Read my comment once more. I’ve already clarified this.
- I already said, they should date each other (single mothers and single fathers). Don’t pull childless people in their mess.
Why they don’t want kids? Thanks for proving you’re unaware of this subject, but still are willing to challenge people. No self respecting man is going to invest in genetic offspring not his own. This has always been the case in both animal kingdom AND in humans. So some dude fucks and breeds a kid with her and I’m here to take care of HIS genes? To hell with that. My resources go into MY children. And who said I want to deal with baby daddy issues if the father is still in the picture? These are a few examples. And often, they DO get leeches off for their resources. Another example. Many ex-stepfathers I’ve encountered (and few ones I know personally) complained about the same thing: Whenever they want to discipline the child, the mother stops them and say he shouldn’t because its
“HER” children not his. But when it comes to paying bills for these kids like school, food, soccer training etc. it’s “OUR” children all of a sudden. I suggest you go on YouTube and watch videos with the title “never date single mothers” or something relative to that.
@TruthBringer Are we going off topic now?
The cheating was simply an example to ask you what are women to do when they are "insert a number of things including being cheated on". I am referring to the cases where the man was in the wrong. And the mother was left with children alone on her lap.
As to the why would a he/she got with a bad he/her? Well the same reason every single person that regrets it later did, love. Love is blind and mades us do stupid things. If one must carry a cross all live for it? No. Not at all.
She thinks of her kids and her survival? Are we 100 years in the past and no one told me? Today they just want a partner for the same reasons anyone wants one, not because they need more money. So how is that a lose-lose situation?
And what are those cons that single mothers have? You are about to generalize aren't you?
Again if a man don't want fine. Really. But if he does, well you called him a lesser man.
@TruthBringer Their mess? You are calling being single with kids kids a mess?
"No self respecting man is going to invest in genetic offspring not his own." This right here is the main topic I believe. Explain to me why not? If a man have in front of him a women he loves, with children that can and most likely will love him one day. Why wanting to join that family makes him a no self respecting man?
His genes? His genes? THEY ARE PEOPLE! They are kids! They are not to looked at as simply another guy's sperm in any circumstances. He is not taking care of another man's genes he is taking care of children of the women he loves. Who one day he will love as much as his own.
Do you see them like that? Not as kids but as another man's offspring? You disappoint me.
They are also your children! The moment you get in it for the long therm they are also your children! And yes your time and resources should go to your children.
Yes there are cases where the dynamic is not the best. There are cases where it takes time for all to fall into place. But there are also the ones where everything just falls into place from the start.
@ThisIsMyOpinion Oh wait until you find out that step fathers get with women, shower them with love and get so little in return. In reality, these are often nice guys settling for scrap. Often these same men who are “stepping up” aren’t even the first choice of these women. Take resources out of the equation and let’s see how many step dads aren’t getting kicked to the curb by these women. Single mothers are known to date in order to have someone who can not only be there for her, but more importantly provide for her and her kids. And not all of them love the new man. Neither kids nor the woman. There is conditional love only. With your way of thinking --> long distance relationship will eventually work. Which is absurd because they generally don’t.
@ThisIsMyOpinion And to answer your question on the genetic thing. It has to do with self respect and not seeing yourself as a caretaker of another man’s responsibilities. If I die, I want MY genes to continue. So I will make sure MY genes keep existing. I’m not going to focus on another man’s genes, that’s none of my concern. This stems back to our primal instincts. Yes, his GENES. We are genetic offsprings. Fine. MY kids and THEIR kids. Happy? I don’t want to take care of another man’s KIDS. And neither do so many other men. And yes, you end up taking care of the kids of the woman you love. Which aren’t your kids. And like I care if I disappoint you or not. We don’t even share the same values. I don’t need to hear “you’re not my father, don’t tell me what to do” like other step dads do. Good luck with that shit. If you’re willing to do so, then be my guest and be the ‘hero’ to these women. And no matter how much you try and delude yourself, they will NEVER be your kids. You have 0 say when it comes to these kids when you divorce that woman. While if you ARE the biological dad, you will have a say.
Oh, and love doesn’t happen within a day or two. We got our brains. If you only think with your heart and let ‘love’ deceive you, you are bound to repeatedly get your heart broken and set yourself up for repeated disappointment. <-- Goes back to poor judgment of character + lack of selfcontrol.
@TruthBringer Says who that they get little in return? Says who they ar enot the first choice? Says who they will be kicked to the curb? Says who the love they have is conditional?
Your genes? So you do see them like that don't you? Just grown up sperm. If you father and teach kids that are not your own they ARE your legacy! Just like you biological kids.
We are not animals. Our legacy is much more than just to procriate. Specially now at a time of overpopulation.
That line "you’re not my father, don’t tell me what to do”, along with others is as cliche as it can get. Many times kids are actually happy to have a close father that they never got to have.
Yes they will! They will 100% be the stepfather kids. Being a father is more than just the rights court gives me over them.
Yes again, both men and women, don't see the red flags on their partner. Call it lack of selfcontrol and poor judgement, sure you are right. Now what? They were blind by love and made a poor choice so lets llok at them as lesser people for the rest of their lives.
@ThisIsMyOpinion Says who? The samemen who went down that road and are warning others about it. I’ve even heard happily married stepfathers who tell me it’s best to start my own family rather than continue an existing one. Who am I to not take their word for it. Says who they get kicked to the curb? Says who the love is conditional. Like I said, you keep proving my point that you know VERY LITTLE about this subject. In fact, about dating in general. There is no such thing as unconditional love in dating. That kind of love is most common in a mother for her children. Not in dating. If you think life is some Disney movie where things are unconditional, then you’re living in La La Land.
I see them as human beings who are carrying other men’s genes other than my own. If I teach and father kids MY own, then they are MY legacy more than if I teach and father kids not my own. Like I said, you can act like these children are yours, but they will NEVER be yours. When you and that mother split, you have ZERO say in the children’s lives. All that investment into them gone for what? It’s all wasted. at least I get to have a say in the lives of my children and I know I’ve invested in children who are carrying my name and genetics by furthering them into the gene pool. But do keep deluding yourself.
If you’re open to becoming a stepfather, then be our guest. Plenty of men like myself will never head that path and want to start our own family. I don’t need to be financially cucked just to get with a piece of ass like so many stepfathers’ main motivation was.
@TruthBringer Just like the men who went down that road and are happy they did. Who am I to not that their word for it?
And your proof that you know more about it than me is the forever good argument of "because I say so"
Yes they will be mine. Later in the relationship I will be able to punish, scold and have a say where they study or do. Not at first of course that takes time.
Waisted? Why? Unless you fail as a parent it isn't waisted.
You keep seeing them as genes. That's sad. They are your kids. Part of your legacy whatever you want or not.
If I was above 35 and single I would have no problem in becoming one.
@ThisIsMyOpinion You keep thinking that children which you didn't adopt exclusively without there to be a condition to get with their parent truly are your kids. And I stick to reality, which is they are not. If you're willing to accept the major risks that often befall stepfathers when dating a single mother, then be free to do so. Myself and many other men aren't going to swim in seas many others have drowned. So it's best to agree to disagree.
@TruthBringer "So it's best to agree to disagree." Whith this part I agree, And with nothing else.
It didn't bother me. I met someone who i shared a number of interests with, we connected well, the fact she had kids didn't put me off at the time (sure there was a thought about how it would turn out in the long run). You're not replacing their father. Still his job along with their mum to raise them.
I assume then you would never adopt as you don't eant to raise kids that aren't you're own?
If she couldn't keep the man she had a child with what makes you think you gonna last. Them kids still have a fathers who would never just neglect them but to put up with a baby mothers and let them use kids to control the fathers lives is sometime not worth it cos the kids are the victims and some dads don't give the baby bitch mothers that chance. But men who date single mother are just advantage takers cos moat single mothers have low self esteem and mental issues and it's an easy catch. If you can't get a chick with no kids it just means you have no game.
It could totally be the guy in the wrong too and that she was in an abusive relationship so that's one-sided. A lot of guys just like with girls hit the deck whenever they feel they have to be loyal and devoted thinking nothing of wanting anything to be serious. Or it could be that they just weren't a good match for each other there's a million and one sides to the story.
It doesn't take long to realise your in an abusive relationship nor does it take long to find out you aren't good match for each other certainly not until the point you'd have a kid. For a woman or a man to have a kid with one an other, an deep connection must have been established unfortunately most women are indecisive after they have a child. They find it hard to accept the commitment of being a parent and committed to one guy. Some guys too find it difficult when the baby is unexpected and they don't see themselves spending a life time with that woman cos she doesn't tick all their boxes. Nevertheless, historically and traditionally what keeps a family together is a good woman and those are rare in this day and age cos women nowadays think they're something they're not and think they're God's gift to men.
Love keeps you in the deepest things and yes it takes a long while because you can't see the negatives about the person. Love blinds a person you haven't ever heard of that term because that's exactly what it does. And also men do that too and there's single father's out there. And also it takes more than just a woman to form a relationship. God also said that when women are in love they are more into their partners so what you said about women being uncommitted goes just as well for men because they are all about their love unlike men it's a curse from Adam's Apple Arc this also proves women stay in relationships that don't work out longer because of that curse and the hope to stay with their loved one. It takes commitment from a guy and a good guy at that as well there is not one sidedness to an actual happy healthy relationship it's sad to think that you think that. Also, the connection could be lost after childbirth friend so that isn't necessarily true. But in reality God made Eve for Adam because he was lonely. We basically are gifts to our men but we are also human beings as well. And it takes equality in a relationship to make it equal no side is working harder than the other because love is supposed to be equally shared if not it's a toxic relationship.
Also there is the concept in the bible for women to take care of the house and children in the bible and men work to support the household. With the woman and man in time of need having to switch to make ends meet. So in reality for single mom's to have to work and single dad's to have to nurture both deserve a partner.
@Anonymous You are 100% CORRECT! So many excuses are made, but no excuses should be taken. The reality is, a woman who ended up being a single mother (outside of becoming a widow) often have theirselves to blame for bad decisions with whom they allow themselves to have sex with. No high value and self respecting guy without baggage, who can also score himself women without kids is going to put up with that.
@TruthBringer It's also guys faults for having sex with them too it's a group decision and men are the one's who have more say in the bible. Keep your bodies to yourselves.
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@SuzuBrooke That's why women must be very careful with whom they allow in their bodies. Men are the gatkeepers to relationships, women are the gatekeepers to sex. it reflects more towards the woman for getting knocked up by the wrong man. There is a reason why marriage in mainstream religions is a must.
@TruthBringer Yes it's dangerous out there. And the sad fact is nobody knows who's the right person nowadays people say they are things they aren't and there's too much deception out there so basically don't f anybody even your husband and husbands don't have sex with your wives. Nobody knows the future except God. And it isn't who's faults to blame if people just were who they said they were we wouldn't have things like that.
@SuzuBrooke Um, it's not that deep, but yeah you're right about you can't tell who is good and who is bad. Well, most of the time YOU CAN. See, there are so many red flags that either people admit or show you. Tattoos point to certain mental issues, same goes for self harm. Women who sleep around (aka sluts)? Yeah you can easily smell those aswel. Single mothers? Yeah, I don't need to sleep with them to find out they got kids. Getting to know a person for a period of time and finding out they don't have dealbreaker flaws is a much better deal than getting with those who already show these red flags. And yet it is indeed still a lead of faith and no guarantee it's going to work out. Hence why so many people are choosing to remain single. I can't blame them. But I'm still willing to take the leap, but with women who I perceive to be worth committing to.
@TruthBringer That's true. So now you agree sometimes you can't know a person even by being with them for so long. There is red flags but there is a red flag in almost every relationship since there isn't very many healthy relationships and there's tons of situations which may be the fault of one gender both either way both did the deed and that can't be stopped nowadays this world's ears are shut. Still everybody has a good side to them. And everybody deserves love saying otherwise is untrue. God gave his son on the cross for all to believe in. It's just a choice of who'm you choose but all I was saying is that some single mom's aren't bad or as the opinion owner said and that with some of them you still have game. My aunt was one of those people so that's why I'm saying there's more than one tell to a story.
@SuzuBrooke YOu will never find someone who suits your standards 100%. However, there are certain red flags you can accept, and others are simply dealbreakers. To myself and MANY men, single mothers are an absolute dealbreaker. Like I said, the leap must be taken, but it's up to us to first find out if that person is worth the leap.
The problem isn't what the bible said. The problem is social media and how women hoe themselves and sell themselves sexually. Most men are weak with the devil using women to lead them out of their path. And we're not talking about adam and eve here we're talking about these Instagram hoes aka single yummy mummy. But if we are to use adam and eve that as an example. God created her from his rib as companion. The devil couldn't get into adams head and convinced eve instead that if adam loves her enough is to disobey God and eat from the forbidden tree... hence why they both got kicked out of heaven and sent down to earth. That shows you who's the weakest link in the devils eyes. You may vouch for yourself or your ante but you can't vouch for the rest of single mothers who're half naked on social media and their kids barely happy without their dads.
Yes that's true but not all of them are like that along with single dad's showing off their junk on social medias being a bad dad. You guys also are part of the creation of life to and chose to do that just like females. But that doesn't go by everyone so think before you judge and see the red flags for yourself this isn't only single mom's but single dad's as well and that is a majority of what you said too. God said not to judge for he is the only one who knows. You just got to look out for the signs. Judging based on past means nothing compared to present.
So this is a deal breaker to MANY women as well.
Again you're just defending a narrative that fit with your gender rather than just sticking to facts. Men showing their junks on social media? Come on. What's the ratio of that comparing to what women sexually display on social media? If you say dick pic, maybe that's believable but that's done privately and no men would just do it unless a girl shows some signs of sluttyness or eagerness unless he's an immature idiot. Noone is judging like @Truthbringer "said some many excuses are made" cos women never take responsibility for their actions. If unhappy or have a doubt about a guy question your choices and keep your legs closed don't bring a life to this world and push a dad away cos you can't have your way and you no longer subscribe to the housewife tradition. Don't start a family if you wanna be out there promiscuous and Still wanna be admired for what you think it's a gift from God to men.
Your want a page of men's indecent pictures go on facebook there's literally profiles of them and there's many profiles of women being slutty as well your so quick to take your side and unable to accept the fact many men do that too. They are idiots of all kind like that. But you judging single parents when you don't know their situation is just stupid as well. God warned not to judge based on past actions. Sex is sensual to both sides so keep your privates to you and we should keep ours to ourselves because the father's are also guys and the mother's are also females. You've been on y'alls sides since the beginning when in reality both single parents no matter the gender should be judges. They already dealed with a horrible relationship. And it isn't putting down their child in fact a child needs a father and a mother. Maybe they should stay with their kind and be single have their child never see an actual normal family. You called single mom's 'baby bitch mothers' so yeah that is judging. Also the part about no game. And yes there is plenty of men who neglect their children. This literally goes for both sides and you've been against the womens side not taking in that both single parents are the same and there's too many situations for them that you can't judge because you haven't been in that situation yourself.
Single moms and dads don't need people like you guys anyways you literally have no respect so you will get no respect back from them when I tell you it wasn't on purpose a guy and a girl had a baby it wasn't on purpose. Some of them people want just what you said in that comment but never got a chance because you judged them too quick. They want a family that's more healthier than just a dad or just a mom in the relationship. Because in the END WE ALL ACT ALIKE WE'RE HUMANS. And God knows that. If you are going against one go against both. They both messed up. But don't judge them for trying to get their lives back in order for their children to have the other parent in their life. Maybe the whole reason for some is they tried to stay in the relationship is because they felt their child would be much better even if both of the parents had changed their thoughts after the pregnancy. God bless all the single parents out there that actually are good parents.
It's 2020 Who still uses facebook other than low class dumb people. Judging is pointing at a specific persons and labelling them. I don't think that has happened in this feed. But you seem to have some complexity in understanding that this isn't about you or someone specific. You're also have a tendency to be in denial because women sexually invite men in this day age not the other way around. And any woman that priorities herself over the happiness and the needs of her child is a selfish baby bitch mother, if that touches a nerve you're probably are in that category. When I'm speaking I'm speaking as a man cos i understand men and see what women do. Noone here was born just yesterday and nothing is said is made up. It's all out there. And I'm glad you mentioned single mothers don't need us guys cos we'll gladly oblige to that. Who needs a selfish emotional wreck that can't and won't keep a family together. They're certainly aren't a priority in the dating market. And they should just focus on the reason they broke their family and became single mothers in the first place. If they wanted to be independent - here is your chance - noone will tell you anything focus on raising your son and stop jumping from one guy to the other when you know you can't and won't lead the ship. Now you be in the lead have a taste of men's struggle. 😂
@Anonymous SPOT ON BROTHER! Very well said! Lovely how we men are being shamed because we take their entitlement on OUR resources away from these broads. Single mothers are the lowest in the dating market. Hence why this is a taboo subject. But try telling the snowflakes this who don't see to understand that we are talking about real life here, not some idealistic Disney world. No high value and self-respecting man if going to settle for these used goods and their baggage
@Anonymous You nailed it!
Men with no children should NOT have to date single mom's, they are in their situation of their own making, they had the choice of using birth control or not, staying in a relationship with the children's father or not.
I have made the choice to be childless and I have ALWAYS used contraception even now in my late 50's that still applies.
Single mom's have made their beds now they have to lay in them.
Hell no. Not seriously. I had a friends with benefits who was a single mom. She was so hot! She was really sweet too but she wanted to get married and i said hell no lol. She left and is married but still hits me up saying sexual stuff and asks me to coffee and stuff like that. She had to marry way down to get a guy to marry her.
This is yet another example of why high value men don't settle for the bottom of the barrel. No matter how 'hot' a single mother is, she is still a single mother and will get overshadowed by other beautiful childless women. Gotta love how she had to compromise so much in order to get some desperate 'nice guy' to commit to her. I have no empathy for them
@TruthBringer yeah for real. I dodged a bullet but by being smart and not a dumb ass beta cuck.
Mr. Huff, as a "man" why do you think so much about the relationships of 2 adults? 🤔
he seems confused about valuing himself as a "man"😅
Why can't women take care of their mistakes 🤔 ?
This is called freedom of speech. What Mr. Huff is doing is giving his opinion on the subject. I doubt he is actively involving himself in relationships of others. If I use your logic, I would say to any person who is against dead beat fathers why they concern themselves with the relationship of 2 adults who have conceived a child, but the father ended up ditching the pregnant woman. Doesn't sound right, does it? And I'm looking forward to you answering @AFellowWeeb 's question
@TruthBringer
It's called the freedom of individual to choose the person to be in a relationship with.(by mutual agreement)
I'm not actively involving myself on his posts.
"Deadbeat parent is a pejorative term referring to parents of any gender who do not fulfill their parental responsibilities, especially when they evade court-ordered child support obligations or custody arrangements. They are also referred to as absentee fathers and mothers"
"Single mother is a mother who has a dependent child or dependent children and who is widowed, divorced, or unmarried."
Being a deadbeat parent makes the person irresponsible, being a single mother doesn't. See the difference please.
@AFellowWeeb What is the mistake of the woman? Being single and mother at the same time? or dating a man?
Ah, but here is the key point. You play the "mind your own business" card. That's what you're trying to get to. Same thing can be applied with deadbeat fathers who these women allow to impregnate them. Somehow we are all against that, but if we start criticizing single mother's mistreatment of stepfathers, we keep our mouths shut. Either we are all open to criticize everything or we should keep our mouths shut on everything. Can't have your cake and eat it too. Just because you criticize something, doesn't mean you're involving yourself directly in that person's relationship. You're just speaking your mind from the sidelines. And by that, I'm not sure how it makes sense for your to question Mr. Huff's masculinity merely because he gave an opinion that probably struck a nerve. It seems it has become a pattern that anything a man says that may be seen as "offensive" even though no offense was given, we start to put his masculinity to question. That's called an ad hominem and it's not something positive. And I know what Mr. Huff is talking about. If you would like, I can explain it to you in detail.
@TruthBringer So and you play the victim card and discredit women whenever there's single parents of both sexes sexist much?
@SuzuBrooke Nice of you to put whatever I say out of context and twist my words. I play no victim as I refuse to be one. I discredit parents who mistreat their partners who happened to step up. Only those who think only think of their own best interest, even if it comes at a cost of another person. Regardless of their gender. But since the topic is about single MOTHERS, I kept it at that. Mr. Huff is speaking from a general perspective as so many stepparents become resentful of their partners and their children. Divorce rates between a stepparents and a remarried parent are high. It is so bad that there is a high chance you'll end up losing when dating a single parent. And from a dating market perspective, he is absolutely correct when it comes to not having options and self-value.
If she is way out of your league, you may consider it. However, in that case, she wouldn't date you anyway. However, she might if she is just 1 point above your league. However, if 1 point better than single gals you can date offsets her baggage and make it worthwhile, I don't know.
Depends. I am sterile. If I were inclined to marry (I'm not) I would not be scared off by a younger widow who had small children. Now if you are talking about a stereotypical welfare mom who has several kids by different dudes, hell to the no.
Just because a guy has kids, a single mom isn't more appropriate for him than for a childless guy.
A childless guy shouldn't date a single mom unless he can't get another woman or a single mom is the best woman he meets.
Like someone else said, you do you.
Personally, I wouldn't, because I don't want kids, nor do I want the responsibility of raising anyone else's, something that would more than likely happen, if I were to date a single parent.
You've got nothing to prove to anyone; everyone has their baggage. Sometimes, you've got no other choice than date a single mom. Other times the single mom is better than any other option. You do you man.
So many fish in the sea so everyone has options.
@Solstice777 Not always mate some people can be hindered by location i. e. Tuvalu. Yeah, Ig they could do a long distance thing, but can you realistically call that dating?
"Should"?
That doesn't have a real answer.
Will they though? Probably not.
Few men want a second hand family.
Few men want to support and propagate the genetics of another male using their own resources.
They're going to prefer starting a brand new family rather than going second hand while some other guy squanders his resources.
Absolutely not. You shouldn't be responsible for the mistakes of the woman. Unless you are 35+, then you trully might not have many options.
In what way are you responsible for her mistakes?
@Cataphract It might not be the one who had a kids mistake but the person who left that person as a single parents mistake you can't judge people so easily and put it as a simple thing. But if you love her then just like if she loves you and your the single parent you got to take care of what she/he loves. Also, people aren't options don't refer them to that. So if you were a single father had an abusive relationship or someone who wasn't devoted or it just wasn't working out after the pregnancy and she left the children for you to take care of that wouldn't be your mistake. And there are both single moms and single dad's. They might not even need your support. But you not being able to care for what they love shows that you aren't mature enough for a relationship yet since your saying they are the one who made the 'mistake'.
@Cataphract Keep spreading the truth, brother!
@SuzuBrooke If you were the mature one here you would lose the victim mentality. While both people can not be equally responsible, relationships still can not be one sided. At the very least, the "les guilty side" is guilty of not seeing the red flags and remaining in such a relationships. The longer such a relationship lasts the bigger is the fault of the "less guilty" side, and if it got to kids, that is the ultimate mistake. A good parent always puts his kids first. So if a single mother/father enters a relationship with someone who does not have kids, that is an unbalanced relationship from the very start. The side without kids does not deserve to be put after someone who is not even his child. So a single parent can choose, he is either a bad spouse or a bad parent. It is a lose-lose situation. A single parent should realize his mistake and accept the consequences and limitations of their choices like a grownup. At that point they should only look for people who are in a similar situation in order to have a chance of having a balanced relationship that is fair to both involved parties.
@ThisIsMyOpinion If you are her number 2, and her number 1 is not related to you, you are in an unbalanced relationship and you deserve better. And a good parent will always put his child first, so the single parent has a choice between being a bad spouse or a bad parent.
@TruthBringer That's why i'm here man. Lucky for us in my part of Europe there aren't many snowflakes.
The guys the one who made her pregnant and you are equally biased. And also guys can change in a snap just like women after pregnancy maybe leaving their husband or spouse is a good step for her children either way you are claiming they aren't worthy of love then you could say the same about single dad's not being worthy of finding a partner too you selfish jerk. They are just trying to take care of their children. It's hard to raise a child singlehandedly. And you can't always judge not everyone leaves red flags waiting in the dust also guys are the ones who have more control in the relationship wise usually if religion is placed. Yes it is fair then in that case. Don't come looking for single unparented women if you are a single dad just like single moms. In that case there's fair for you but you can't deny they all deserve love. And we all make mistakes.
@Cataphract I live in the Netherlands and we Dutch are known to be straight forward and blunt. Which I'm very happy about. No snowflakes here either. at least not for the majority. It's truths like what you preach what people hate. And if you look at @solstice777's comment, you can see the typical shaming tactics thrown his way, simply because he is against dating single mothers. Which is his right. I wouldn't be surprised if I'm going to get the flame aswel
@SuzuBrooke You are so deep "men are piggs" rabbit hole that you did not even notice i wrote single PARENT. And people don't change, they just become more of who they are. But you are completely missing the point here. Nobody said that single mothers "aren't worthy of love". Read my responses again. Single parents should look for other single parents if they want to be fair to their future spouse. If two people with kids from previous relationships get married, they can be good parents and put each other 2nd. That is a balanced relationship. Seriously, read my response again and cool your head when you respond next time.
@Cataphract 100% wrong. You can be both. I am number two and the number one will be related to me. A good step father does not sees her children as from another man. He sses them as his own.
@ThisIsMyOpinion Yeah go tell that to the majority of ex-step fathers who regret and warn about the dangers of dating a single mother. Speak for yourself, my friend. There is a reason why this is a taboo subject. Wake up. This is real life, not a fairy tale. So sticking to ideal thoughts often leads to catastrophe
@TruthBringer Every single step father I know is still happly married.
If it can go wrong? Sure it can! Just every other relationship can!
@ThisIsMyOpinion Ah yes, here we go again. The same type of arguments coming from you "I know xxx who did xxx so that means xxx". Because the people you know represent the majority of people now? Well let me tell you something, I know PLENTY of ex step fathers who were both married or just got into relationships with single mothers, but never married and they either divorced or split. And with those who I have talke, d they all warned me about the same things. I've said this to you before and I'll say it again --> Pointing to exceptions to the rule doesn't disprove the rule.
Do you have a study that says most step father regret it?
@ThisIsMyOpinion Do you have a study single mothers are generally high value? Because what I can provide you is people talking from experience.
Would you say the same shit about sungle dads? If yes, i can agree with at some point. Why do people shame on single mums but dont say a shit about single dads. I also dont understand the hate on men who date single mums. It is not your business
@ThisIsMyOpinion There are no two 1st places. It is impossible. And if you try to balance it out, not only will you ultimately fail, but you will also be BOTH a bad parent and a bad spouse. Look at it like this: imagine that your spouse and child are both in a life threatening situation, and you can save only one. Granted this is an extreme, although it can happen, but the view of both spouse and a kid is what matters 90% of the time. If your kid says you're putting your spouse first, it can truly believe that. Then if you want to be a good parent, you are going to try putting them first more, which will make you neglect your spouse. Unless your spouse has the exact option to 'neglect' you back by dealing with his own kid that you are not related to, they are either going to cheat or resent you. Because again, there needs to be a balance in a healthy relationship in order for it to work.
@hi_it_is_me123 You look like yet another "men are pigs" activists who doesn't read comments before deciding to comment on them.
@Cataphract actually you are the one "women are disease". Then explain to me to me what does having no option mean unless you are 35? What i get from that is that you see single mum as insult to yourself and think you deserve better, which says a lot about you. So you are indirectly shaming on single mums. That is like saying that women dont respect themself and have no value for dating men over their 30s with kids. It is ok if you dont want to date any single mum but you dont have to be hateful. I also dont consider the many male gagers here as men. Men ain't cry babies, who blame their women for incesurities. Look at the writer of this comment. He thinks he is something better that trash talk single mum by insulting men who date/marry them like a crybaby Again you dont have to date/marry any single mum.
Dont @ i dont want to discuss with you anymore. I ask you in a very nice way if you also hold yourself on to the same principles as you hold women on to these principles and you come to me with your rude/Inapprochiate comment and call everyone indirectly feminazi for not simping for you aka not fully supporting your opnions. I also dont read every comment. I dont have so much time. So bye.
@TruthBringer If we are talking from experience I can tell you every single stepfather I know is loved both by the mother and kids and is still within the family.
@Cataphract No you will not ultimately fail. Even in cases of biological parents, both the mother and the father have to put their kids first, before their partner. That's no different with step parents.
Using you own example, lets say the parents are the biological mother and father of the child. One of the parents or the child has to die. Of course they will chose the partner to die and the child to live! Child comes first. Just like it would if they were step parents.
There always has to be balance on the love and attention you give. That is valid for a couple with or without a step parent.
@hi_it_is_me123 If you only read my initial comment to this topic it was an answer to a question. The question was "Should men with no kids date single moms?". If you didn't read my responses to understand what i think about it but preferred to jump to conclusions and dismiss my view after the first sentence because it's easier for you, that is your fault not mine. If you do not want to put in an effort to actually understand then do not bother answering because you're wasting both of our times.
Second, any self-respecting man without such baggage will not take the same baggage of the other person. Unless he is out of options. In that case he has to compromise. Same goes for women. Now if logic and honesty insults you that is again your problem, not mine. Men with no kids that date women with kids have no self worth, or are simply stupid. Because ANYONE with a normal IQ can see problems down that road. Again, same goes for women.
@ThisIsMyOpinion Your idea might work in theory but it doesn't work in practice because it disregards human nature. Human is an animal just like all other animals. Parents will always treat their own kid differently from someone else's kid, that is simple biology. And even if they don't show it, they can not escape from their nature.
I am not going to read all of your ridiculous opinions
It is also none of your business if someone date single parent and you have no right to insult them. I also dont prefere to date them but i dont disrespect them like you do. This ain't an honest opinion, it is a childish way to trashtalk people who ain't like you. Again you dont have to date/marry them but dont trash talking people who have no problem with single parents. your worth also is not reduced on your potential partner. You are no better than someone who date single parent
@hi_it_is_me123 For the love of God! Just read the title of this topic and think long and hard what are you writing.
Just stop it. The question itself is ridiculous like you. The tweet is also sexist. If the genders were reversed this writer of man would be called feminazi for saying such a thing about men
@hi_it_is_me123 No he would not. And if you bothered to read what i wrote you would actually see that. So no it is not sexist. Stop with the victim mentality. Grownups are responsible for their choices and they will always be.
Men can decide themself whether they want to date/marry single parents. So asking whether men should date/marry is also sexist towards men because they dont need other people to decide what they should do and dont do in their life
Yes Grownup also dont interfere themself in someone's life and insult people life style
@hi_it_is_me123 Why are you on this topic if not to share your opinion on the matter?
@hi_it_is_me123 Nobody is forcing people to date or not date single parents. My stand on this matter does not mean i am going to chain such people and use them as slave labour. Opinions are not laws. And exchange of opinions are not someone telling someone else how to live. Grow the fuck up.
Grow tf yourself and learn to tolerate other people lifes instead of trash talking them just because they ain't like you. Trash talking is not an opinion but still thank you for your replies
@hi_it_is_me123 I DO tolerate them. That is why i am not forcing them to change. But unless proven otherwise i will continue to hold this opinion. Call it trash talk, call it racist fascist sexist or what ever you want. That means that YOU are using shortcuts to avoid considering my opinion. I have explained my view, you have not.
@ThisIsMyOpinion And I can talk from experience that the ones I know regret every bit of becoming a stepfather and think they have been mislead and mistreated by the mother. Your point?
By the way i agree with @Cataphract. I have nothing against him.
By the way i dont disagree with everything men say. I dont disagree with ThisIsMyOpinion and i also agree with @Cataphract at some point. So stop with this bullshit. You are the one who disagree with everyone who dont share your bullshit mindset.
@Truthbringer i only disagree with little boys like you
@Cataphract See? This is what I was talking about lmfao
Sweetheart, you're the one who starts blocking. I simply blocked you back so you can't litter my own comment sections with your delusion (which you've proved to Cataphract aswel). And you call anyone a woman hater who doesn't want to bend over backwards for your pathetic demands. But you do you girl. And you agrree with cataphract? Well that's lovely, so do I.
Lol now you trying to change the topic after you see how pathetic you become and realize it is childich act to except people to block me so you can shut md up?
@Truthbringer i can block you but i would never go tell people to block you since this is fucking kindergarten bullshit. I dont fully agree with Cataphract and i agree with him at some points and i have nothing against him.
Awww Are you just mad at me, you pathetic stupid looser for blocking you? Lol i can stop blocking you if you want it so much idiot, so we dont spam/ disturb people here. Tell me wtf you want to me or hate on me via dm or under my comment under this question.
What kind of submissive incel are you? You like provoking me so insult you, right? I explain myself before and i am not going to talk about the same shit again. You are just a pathetic looser who try to expose me. Tell him also the date when i said this to you.
@hi_it_is_me123 Yes I'm an "incel" who somehow spent entire Christmas with my girlfriend and each other's families, and also giving her great Christmas sex she was so excited about (I only mention this because I know it annoys you). I'd probably be the first ever Officer at the Dutch Air Force with a girlfriend who is somehow still an "incel". And sweetie, that screenshot was taken at an earlier date and that was after you throwing shit at me before, after you were stalking some other dude a while back (I forgot his name). This is you picking fights with people and then apologize, only later to have fights with them again.
Like I said @Cataphract good luck
what the hell is your problem? Dont use mentall illness as an insult by the way, you pathetic coward You are just ridiculous. Yeah you are right. i was stupid for apologizing myself to a selfish coward like you You just deserve getting treated like shit. Who tf did i stalk? Are you know hallunicating? You are the one who stalk people by making screenshots, going trough all their feed and spread lies about people. Your worth is the same as used dildo with no self worth, c*nt.. Tell me who i stalked, looser? You dont know this dude's name, yet spread some lies about me, c*nt. I really dont have any nerve for someone like you. Let me alone. What the hell did I do to you the the point that you try to bully me with your ridiculous shaming tactics every moment you can. I block you, not because i have something against you, but because of you never ending shameless attitude. I actually rarely block or only block so i can avoid them for a temporary time. Let me alone f*cktard
You are the only joke here to people and can't accept when people block you and play the victim card like a big cry baby, incel. Just stfu and dont bring up the racist card if yourself a sexist, ageist, antiwhite piece of shit. Also dont talk about insults, when you name call me , you pathetic stupid cunt. The only little kid is you here who spam people who dont agree with you bullshit and call everyone snowflake. So you are the only one who throw a temper tantrum and sspam just because daddy dont fuck your throat, incel. By the way just because i dont like some middleeastern people, it does not mean i am racist. I also dont have to like anyone, cunt. Dont talk about mental problems if you dont know a shit about it, stupid cunt. You use mentall illness as insult and now you are trying to twist your word. Is it that difficult for you take responsibility for your own words or stay behind your statements without lying and talking bullshit, you looser? I also have no respect for little dicks like you who act like they care about middleeastern/people but also wants to get a job to destroy such middleeastern countries. so dont come to with you racist card, if you are hypocritical piece of shit yourself, cunt. You can't except me to stay calm and be nice to you, if yourself an selfish asshole yourself.
What do you also mean with reporting? I have not reported anyone for so many months
@TruthBringer The only jerk here is you for bringing up a disorder when you are the one with it. Ever heard a disorder isn't the person itself and whoever uses it in a argument is a psychopath. I tried being reasonable with you.
You twist your words so much that you ain't the one to talk your bipolar and also you don't understand that with both gender parents they both are equally responsible and need to respected and cared for don't call them names just state your opinion in an actual respectful adult way sure some are bad but WHAT DO YOU KNOW? You are not a single dad. Without you trashing them you don't even know a fraction of them and it's sexist that you are ganging up on women and anyone who disagrees with you along with your buddy. Now that the tide is turned and everyone is against you and you masculine toxicity. You keep acting as if you make perfect decisions and never make a bad mistake then you suddenly go saying simp when your the degenerate who's judging people before getting to know them.
And you exposing and name calling is a major part of you feeling insecure and knowing none of your logic hardly makes sense. And then you preach it. I've already read a bunch of your replies to know enough about how toxic you are and all the red flags with you and you aren't even a single father. Your the pansy hiding behind others playing the simp card when you are simping for toxic masculinity and being all butthurt when someone else tries to explain their opinion then ganging up on a 15 YEAR OLD and being less against single dad's and not single mom's. You all are pansies for thinking the world is so freaking black and white. And then you bringing in women on the internet that are naked as if all single moms do that but then not using a single cell in your brain to think the other way just shows this. And you wonder why you ain't being supported anymore.
And the only reason I'm supporting single mom's more is because your attacking them more. So shut the fudge up you hippocrite. Also I'm in it for both sexes single dads especially included either way. You judge so fast and you are a jerk. All of you are who are name calling them and disrespecting them.
@SuzuBrooke HAHAHAHAHA You say all of that while neglecting the other person's paragraph full of name calling? Thanks for proving your hypocrisy and double standards on your end. Oh please do enlighten us to where I was being an ass. For saying men who don't have kids should not date single mothers and that single fathers and single mothers are more suitable. Sure, sweetie. Anyone who doesn't suit your own bias is MR MEAN. Ganging up on a 15 year old? What? Now you're just talking out of your arse.
You are free to protect single mothers and I am free to protect and defend ex step fathers and potential step fathers from all the mistreatment they have been gone through or are about to go through. People like you and @hi_it_is_me123 are perfect examples of those who want to everything going their way without thinking of the other side. And newsflash baby girl, I don't BASH single mothers or single fathers. I criticize their actions towards stepfathers and stepmothers. Go take your shallow shaming tactics and gas lighting elsewhere. If you're going to play the moral hero, make sure you do it right
@SuzuBrooke Clearly you didn't even bother read the other person's "insults" name calling. Goes to show the double standards. You miss are a hypocrite. Unlike people as yourself and the other unstable girl, I don't resort to ad hominem tactics. And I'm not sure which 15 year old you're talking about. So I'm starting to think you're confusing me with someone else. Try to make rational comments rather thanpathetic false accusations. You stick up for single mothers, and I stick up for men who have been wronged by them and who are about to get wronged by them. And I don't need to be a single father to listen, hear and see what stepfathers and ex-stepfathers are going through. Come back to me when you're off the wishful thinking train. So far, you've said nothing relevant. If you're going to play the moral hero, do it right.
@Cataphract "disregards human nature"? How so? Because the kids are not mine? Please! Like biology ever dictated humans love for another.
@TruthBringer I already gave you my point. We are just walking around in circles now.
@thisismyopinion When you have your own kid you won't be able to pretend anymore. It is actually very simple biology. Everything is in service of procreation.
@Cataphract "Everything is in service of procreation." As if. That is true for irrational animals. Not for us. Specially now with the overpopulation. No one has kids for the sake of procriation.
@thisismyopinion It's cute that some people still think humans aren't animals. We are exactly the same as all other animals, fueled by the same basic needs. We can direct it to a point, bit we can not control it.
@Cataphract we are rational animals. And yes we can control it.
I'm fact there is not even a need to controll it. Many humans just don't want to have kids. Simply don't. Unlike other animals who all do.
So not only we can chose not to, some of us don't even feel the calling. Why? Because we know that we don't have or need that individual responsibility to ensure the specie survival. We are far from needing that individual responsibility to remain here.
People just have families for themselves. Not the human species.
@thisismyopinion This sounds like a self-destruct mekanism because of a faulty gene. Pleanty of examples with other animals too.
@Cataphract Just nod along and let them talk their talk. You're already making the right decision and saving yourself from all the disrespect, headaches and pain in your life.
@Cataphract you are totally delusional. We couldn't be further from animals in many aspects. This is one of them.
@TruthBringer You have a point. Some people just have to be wrapped in a false sense of exceptionalism in order to not fall into depression.
@Cataphract if you have anything to say to me, you can be a man and say it to me.
And don't insult us both by denying that was for me and that you wanted me to see it.
If you don't know how much further we have come since we were living in caves you probably haven't evolved much yourself.
@thisismyopinion There is no point.
Agree.
amen brother!
@SuzuBrooke I'm sorry but if you were reckless enough to start a family with an abusive loser then that is your problem.
I agree with you on "people not being options." however more than 90% of women do not see it that way nowadays and their actions speaks louder than their speech
It's up to them if they want to date single moms. There's nothing wrong with it.
Nope. Single Moms are effectively out of my dating pool. Having a child and unmarried is a character reference I prefer to avoid.