Should men with no kids date single moms?

[Anonymous]

Yes

No

[Anonymous]

No.

What these arguments come down to are the male vs the female mating strategy, which are in some ways conflicting. Many of these arguments are highly manipulative.

Men should disregard all of the things women have to say about this, in the same way women do men. If you speak about what men as a group want to women and expect women to understand and empathise, they’ll just laugh at you. Try to talk to them about abortion, OnlyFans, career vs family etc. Their argument will be that they’ll do what they want and there’s nothing you can do about it, which their isn’t.

The only time you’re considered to be a “good” man is if you support their strategy over your own. For a man that’s obviously a losing strategy as well as an unfair expectation which you should reject.

Women will argue that men should date single mothers because if they’re not already, they could at some point end up being single mothers. Why would they discourage men from dating them in that case? That would be stupid. These ideas do not benefit women as a whole.

As a man though, your biological imperative is to pass on your genes, your legacy. If you intend to be a family man that is. If you’re raising another man’s kids, you’re working to pass on another man’s genes and his legacy. The reason men react so strongly to cheating is because blood matters to us. Women will try to tell you that it shouldn’t - that’s them again trying to get you to accept their strategy over your own.

Most men in relationships with single mothers know this. That’s why a kid is 8x more likely to be abused by a stepfather than by their biological father.

They won’t be honest about it. They’ll claim they don’t care about blood. But really if you’re a single man and you have the options between two attractive women, one childless and one with kids, you’re always gonna pick the childless one. Many of these guys who marry single mothers don’t have those options, and that’s the only reason they do it.

I’ve answered a large number of questions here actually by guys who talk about they met a girl, and she’s hot but she has kids, and he’a unsure. He wants to date her but the kids are in the way. Then I ask them about their sex lives and they always say they haven’t been laid for a year or more. They’re considering her out of desperation. Women won’t like that idea either, but that’s the truth.

Sometimes women end up single mothers through no fault of their own. That’s true, and it’s unfortunate. That’s not an argument for considering them. That’s not a man’s responsibility. A man can be in a bad situation through no fault of his own and women don’t consider him either, because it’s not their responsibility.

[TruthBringer]

ABSOLUTELY NOT. You think any self-respecting man without children who can easily get women without kids would settle for a single mother? Only desperate and naive men swim in waters many others have drowned. And for what? A piece of ass.

Dating single mothers for men is often a lose-lose situation. Men are often seen as nothing more than some ATM who “saves” the single mother. Also, when it comes to teaching children manners, a step father often has no saying in disciplining the kids. The mother often stops him and says “Those are MY children”. But when it comes to paying bills for the kids, it quickly turns to “OUR children”. This hypocrisy and double standards is why so many ex-step fathers warn other men about the dangers of dating single mothers. Before heeding their warning, I’ve already made up my mind to start my own family, thanks.

And to those who are going to slam me with the “woman hater” or “misogynist” or “you’re not a real man!”, simply for standing up for myself and other men. First of all, deal with freedom of speech. And second, if this makes me a “misogynist”, then that makes you an even bigger misandrist for thinking men are supposed to provide and commit to things that aren’t their responsibility and to think we don’t have the right to have our own standards. You don’t get to decide whether men are ‘real men’ or not based on you being able to take advantage of our resources or not.

In the end, to each their own.

[CasaNorba]

amen!

wow I'm surprised you have not gotten any pink downvotes yet. oh well ironically you got a blue downvote from a simp with a bruised up ego and one pink upvote from an eve with ulterior motives

[TruthBringer]

@CasaNorba Well among the other 81 blue comments, it's possible that they haven't seen it yet. I've already locked horns with 2 pinkies which 1 I've blocked because she has a habit to harass so I don't need that under my comments

[SuzuBrooke]

When you are tired of people judging others based on past mistakes and forgetting that there are single parents for both genders. Forgetting that they themselves make mistakes. That love really blindsides a person. Like bruh the father/mother might have left just because they are afraid of commitment. And some people don't leave red flags. People also change their minds when it comes to love. Also seen people calling other people 'options'. Dehumanizing much?

If you don't want kids good go on your day like a bachelorette. But basically if you raise them even if not blood related their your children. It's up to the guys and gals to decide if they want to date single parents not yours you get to decide just stop pushing it on other people. And asker if you are in that situation don't go to others you do you.

But if you see no red flags. Then there's also a chance there that that's an actual amazing woman. Sex is sensual as well so put blame on both the parents and if the person who has the children actually takes care of them and you then you can obviously tell they are a keeper.

There are bad single parents out there but there's also good so don't just simplify it to bad. Most adults I meet nowadays are like that and I know them well it's not the divorce or break up that tore them apart but people judging them before getting to know them that made them hate love or get into toxic relationships thinking that love is meaningless.

Just be cautious of the red flags if you decide to get into one with that person but still treat them humanely they are humans afterall and deserve what we all do. There's still bad one's out there like any human being and even though it's a red flag you don't know their story. Get to know them at least a little before you judge them. And they aren't used up any person with children they just have children. That doesn't mean they love any less. People are people, people think like people, and people can't trust anyone hardly nowadays.

[Anonymous]

Women with kids are women too, but I understand how people without kids wouldn't feel comfortable dating others who already do. I would say this, it depends on the circumstances. If she is worth it and she is the one, then why not. The sad truth is, most men who date women already with kids, baby mommas specifically, and I don't mean ex wives.

These men usually look for someone who makes bad decisions, low self esteem, therefore an easier lay, or a woman he believes is desperate for attention. It's the sad truth and this is why eligible men usually stay away. They would question why she has multiple kids and never married, why would she do that to her kids and herself if she thought highly of herself, since he himself was careful not to make the same mistake, it would be understandable that he thinks they're not compatible.

[likelyOK]

That’s not true, and you can’t assume that a single mom has multiple kids. Most the desperate for attention women don’t have kids they are easy to spot and they are the ones getting pregnant and having abortions just not kids. I can understand not dating someone for the drama of the dad is around it goes both ways. But you can date someone who is very successful and have a child you don’t need to be a bottom feeder unless you don’t have anything else going for you, self esteem, Looks, education.

[Brainsbeforebeauty]

I think that's for each individual to make for themselves... Funny tho how it's being made to be wrong to raise Another man's child, but it's okay to treat a single woman as used goods to use as sex... If you don't want to date a single mother/raise another man's child that's fine... But it's not fine to use them for sex and justify it cuz they single mothers like they less of a person for being a single mom...

[CaribbeanChik]

Amen

[Mark987]

great answer

[Brainsbeforebeauty]

@Mark987 thanks 🙂

[Brainsbeforebeauty]

@CaribbeanChik Right!

[pervertedjester]

From what I've been through myself and what I've heard others go through I would say, No. But not because of raising someone else's kids, kids are a blast. The main reason you should skip dating them has to do with time. Her Kids are always going to be First. Any time she spends with you is either taken away from the kids or taken away from her personal time and whatever she balances her life with. Even if you're able to make an early go of things, you'll feel like an asshole eventually for those reasons.

Still even if you make it work and find a routine you'll have to deal with The Ex sooner or later. Exes when Kids are involved are usually petty, vindictive little shits you have to wait for to hang themselves. Cause anything you do can traumatize the kids but everything they do to you is an issue for the courts. Eventually all their B. S. will land them in trouble with everyone they love but you gotta be the adult at every turn. The minute you stoop to their level, it's over. You are no better than they are. No matter how much justification you have or had in the moment.

The short of it all is: If you don't have the time nor the patience, do not date single parents.

[Anonymous]

Little guys be like : except young single women date their broke old ass but as soon as a woman is not in her 20s anymore, she is used and deserve no love for these guys. They also think they can date women at every age but dont know that women marry/date someone their age and not an 10 years old bastards. By the way why do some male gagers are 30 years but talk shit about women for being single with 30. You also ain't find a single woman with no kids if you are like 35 and dont come to me that you can date women in their 20s. Statistically speaking women are married at 26-30s in many countries and many women date/marry some their age by statistics. The max age gap is 4-5 for couples. So you really can't except women to be single with no kids if you are like 30-40 years old.

Why do also nobody trash talk single dads. I mean these single mums dont make the kids on it own. So why the hell does she only get so much hate for no reason and nobody give a fuck what a man do when it comes to dating/marriage. I have never seen a man getting discriminating for his age/body count/sexual preferences/looks etc when it comes to dating.
Women get judged for every shit, when it comes to dating/marriage

[likelyOK]

So many valid points, but get ready for the trolls for real

[laPrincesitaRoxi]

As a single mother I feel like it’s entirely up to the guy only wants to do if he doesn’t have kids and I don’t see why that would mean he’s insecure feels like he can’t find any better what if he just falls in love with a single mom I don’t get the issue? Also no that wouldn’t make a man a back up plan like if he wasn’t around while they were dating before they had a baby there’s no way he’s going to be a back up plan, that just means he came after the baby was born and they fell in love.
There doesn’t have to be anything wrong with him that idea itself
Is probably guaranteed rooted in misogyny

[homystew]

You are suuper duuper right. Specially when males aren't the ones who breed. I mean, how isn't there going to be someone who comes after if men just simply leave the mother with kids? Its hard to be 20+ years together nowadays until the kids are into college! The only problem I see, actually, is lets suppose you grow the children with some other guy, but the guy doesn't have kids and he feels like he wants to pass along his genes. Would you be willing to be a mother again, and repeat the long and arduous process again for him?

[homystew]

My question is totally different than OPs worries, no problem if a guy is willing or not, everyone is free to decide.

[AFellowWeeb]

Men are not banks, you opened your legs bc you wanted to

[locutus9999]

I don't know, I want my babies, but I don't speak for every man, and to be honest not every case is the same. I prefer without kids, cause ensure a bit more I will have mine.

[laPrincesitaRoxi]

@AFellowWeeb? Are you mentally ill or something? What are you talking about 😬 and ew the fact that you just said “I opened my legs”
Now this guy is exactly why I stay away from most men, just downright gross foul creature.

[laPrincesitaRoxi]

Loctus you can however you want

[locutus9999]

as I say I speack for me.

[AFellowWeeb]

im disgusting but u let a random bust a nut inside of u 🙃🙃🙃🙃🙃

[laPrincesitaRoxi]

Loctus9999 you can date however you want forsure, you don’t have to go for a single mom especially if you didn’t want to do things that way and wanted you and your partner to be first time parents together 😁

[laPrincesitaRoxi]

Also it’s the mental illness for me, it’s insane how you’re making up your own stories in your head about my life 🙄
And by the way you followed me from my last post you’re weird as fuck for that I just have said something that made you itch all over 😂😂

[AFellowWeeb]

i never followed u @laPrincesitaRoxi

[TruthBringer]

@AFellowWeeb As you can see, another perfect example of a woman who runs away from accountability. It's not like she couldn't do anything about being a single mother if she didn't allow herself to be bedded by the wrong man. But whatever, how dare you speak the truth! Muh FEELZ!

[laPrincesitaRoxi]

You’re in my business first of all, who is telling you I’m upset over the man I had a child with?
You’re delusional just like dude above.
I’m singleeee as fuck and choose to be, I only have friends with benefits and have made it clear I’m not even in the dating scene

[TruthBringer]

I'm glad that you've made these decisions for yourself. And I hope you are happy. Let's see you say the same words when you enter your 30s. By that time, you'll probably be itching for a man to commit and then realize you have to compromise on your standards in order to have a guy to commit to you. Pretty much a very common pattern with single mothers. But all in all, hope it all works out for you. Just don't get mad when the majority of men choose to go with childless women. That's reality.

[laPrincesitaRoxi]

I’ve seen happy 30 year old women and I might decide I just don’t want to date in general tf lol something wrong with that?
And by that time hopefully the only thing itching is my ass in the back of my dream car 🚙 lmfaoo
And no I don’t that’s dumb af there’s better things to worry about in life than the crusty you settled with that brings more drama than actual happiness
I don’t care someone else’s life decision is their own decision people can do whatever they want 😌

[TruthBringer]

"Crusty" Damn girl you savage. That shit is actually true lol

[Jarre12345]

That's a cuck

[AlienParasite]

Should has the connotation of mandatory. So no, he doesn't have the obligation to date someone.

He can be with a woman who has kids if he's ok with it because he really feels a connection with that woman and because he is ok with the kids even if they aren't his own. If it's the type of man that would be ok with adopting kids, why no those kids?

If you can't take that situation - because you don't want kids in your life, you don't get on well with the kids, the presence of the biological father or damage he has done is too much for you to handle, etc - it's fine and understandable if you don't want to date. Just analize your own feelings, needs and limits, and act in base to it.

Each person is different and are ok with different things. Date (or refuse to date) whoever you want.

[Little_Bumblebee]

This

[magiusX26]

ty for pointing out how this really is not a yes or no question due to how its worded (the mandatory feel) and is why i refuse to vote on the poll.

[MissGeorgia]

I have a little boy, and I've been dating my partner for eight months now and I've never seen him as any kind of substitute father. My son has his dad in his life.
I've also never seen him as a "backup plan" ... what a strange thing to say. He's someone I liked a lot and wished I could get to know better.
I didn't think he'd want to date me. I knew it' was a lot to take on. We knew we liked each other, but I thought he'd think it was too much... too restricted, too much baggage... but we've worked through it slowly. We just fit as a couple and he is developing a lovely relationship with my son.
My ex isn't an easy person to deal with, but my partner, at this point, simply has nothing to do with him. They are very different in character.
It is difficult, but if it's worth it, you put the work in.
You never know who you are going to end up falling for.

[cjgsu]

Every person has different reasons why they date someone.

Maybe they can't have kids of their own.

Maybe they started out as friends and fell in love.

I always found it more strange how people be so worried about other people's dating situation like the guy who post u copied.

Tbh he also seems like he has lack of self esteem if he would be worried that he was a back up plan because she has kids.

I mean he doesn't sound like he doesn't think he has much to offer tbh.

[MzAsh]

Aubrey here admits he doesn’t understand. That says it all. He isn’t entitled to understand. Some men actually care for the person and just want to be with them. That woman adds to his life happiness. I was partially raised by a stepfather who loved my mom and he loved us kids. So yeah, Aubrey doesn’t understand and that’s exactly the point.

[magiusX26]

i started to try explaining some of why the message in the pic are off but what you said works enough and is quicker and easier.

[Smoothing]

I think this is an area where only the man dating the single mum truly understands why.

I certainly don't see it as a backup plan.

I think the best way to understand it is to ask your self as a man, " Do I know my purpose in life?" If you cannot answer that question honestly to your self, or don't know, chances are that you will never understand why some men do it.

Surely there are some men who don't know what they are doing but for the most part of these are responsible men, I guarantee you they know what they are doing and are certainly happy with their choice. Because they know and understand their purpose in life. They don't simply follow the common view of society just because they are expected to follow suit. They make their own choices and are absolutely happy with it.

[talloak]

Apart from the evolutionary pressure of needing to pass on your genes, refusal to date a single mom strikes me as insecurity. Even the quote above reeks of insecurity: "he doesn't feel he has options" is an insult to single mothers and "doesn't value himself as a man" is an insult to men who are strong enough to take on the challenges of raising another man's children. It takes no "manliness" to have children. It takes manliness to raise them and great deal more if you raise them by choice and not by personal responsibility (and don't tell me that walking away from your children is a choice; it's an act of cowardice).

[ThisIsMyOpinion]

You are not a back up plan to raise another man's kids. You are the person their mother loves and wants to spend her life with.

Since she is a mother that includes being there for the kids.

And if you see yourself as a second father you already failed. If you want their mother for life, YOU ARE THEIR FATHER. Not the second. Not the backup plan. You must take care of the child as if it was your own.

If you don't want kids right now in your life fine. But to actually say "doesn't value himself as a man"... So a man who chose to love not only a woman but also their children is less of a man?

Anyone who thinks like that is the one that is a low excuse for a man!

[magiusX26]

preach that truth

[pleasestopthis]

What that man said makes no sense to me at all. If a man doesn't want to raise another man's child, that's completely respectable choice, but I hate when men shame other people who're willing to do so.
There are countless men who have stepped up and turned into a father figure for children who didn't have a present bio dad in their life because they had a lot of love to give and they're seen as the real dad by the children. It's like adopting, but not every person is suitable for this.

[TruthBringer]

Because a lot of these men who choose to get with single mohers is out of desperation to get with the woman and not out of love for the children. Don't compare this to adoption. Real adoption truly comes from the heart. While a potential step dad would be happier if the woman would be childless. Because he wants the woman, not the kids. He is just dealing with them, because he has no choice. If that's not worth shaming, then I don't know what is.

[pleasestopthis]

@TruthBringer It's worth shaming only in such cases, but not all guys are like this. When you date a single mother, if you want something more serious, you know you'll have to deal with the whole package.

[TruthBringer]

@pleasestopthis Sadly, a lot of men enter a relationship with a single mother obvlivious to what they are signing up for.

[likelyOK]

@TruthBringer the point is he does have a choice not to date them. I have no idea who that is, but it kind of weeds out bad guys if you are selective, you get rid of selfish people or people that don’t want a child at all. Some people, it’s harder to spot those traits till later and you have already wasted time.

[TruthBringer]

@likelyOK Not saying you're wrong, but I'm honestly having a hard time figuring out what you've said has to do with what I'm saying.

[likelyOK]

I just read your name and it cracked me up 😂😂 please stop this, was that in response to something?

[TruthBringer]

@likelyOK No I'm a bit confused tbh. But that could be because it's late and I'm not 100% in my concentration. And I'm glad my nickname made you laugh, I picked it for a reason

[CasaNorba]

I guess you did not comprehend the part where he said "he doesn't value himself as a man"

a lot of men who date single mothers dont actually do it because they want to raise the kids out of the goodness of their heart. they just do because they are pussywhipped with no standards and feel like its the only way to get in that single mother's pants

[TruthBringer]

@CasaNorba 100% correct!

[likelyOK]

@TruthBringer that was suppose to be about her name

[likelyOK]

@CasaNorba or maybe bc they are not selfish or they make enough money it is non issue. I guess there must be some real luck” on my side that these taller good looking men with there shit together have been “ willing to take the risk” on me 🤣🤣🤣🤣

[TruthBringer]

@likelyOK Oh damn no wonder I was confused I didn't even notice that HAHAH

[hellohruu]

I wanna say no but it’s complicated. No man wants to or deserves to provide for someone else’s children. Men aren’t banks

[Unit1]

We aren't banks, that is for sure 😁😁😁Thank you for pointing that out.

[hellohruu]

Sure! I don’t wanna sound misogynistic but it’s unfair to make another man provide for children of some other man because of their mother. She should be a good mom for her kids in early years and dating other men won’t help. And those men are in tough position as it makes them wonder is the woman with them just to fund her and the offspring. So in conclusion it’s not fair for the new man and children to date around... besides why did her children’s father leave without consequences? Except for violence cases, then I understand

[TruthBringer]

@hellohruu Thank you! Seeing a woman on this website with a good head on her shoulders like yourself is a breath of fresh air! And of course you don't sound misogynistic. Like you said, men aren't banks. And those women who support the idea of men needing to step up for single mothers only see men as a tool for his resources. If anything, it's these type of women who think men should step up for kids not their own who are misandrists.

[Unit1]

Exactly. Talking about making some (poor) choices. It's only fair to not want to date single mothers.

[Cataphract]

At 19 you are smarter than some 30+ year olds. Bravo.

[hi_it_is_me123]

I agree with you at some point. Do you also think like that about single dads? I mean if the genders were reversed, would you als say something similar like this? I have the feeling you would be called feminazi if the genders were reversed.
😅

[hi_it_is_me123]

"beside why did her chiodren's father leave without consequences. Except for violence cases.." what do you exactly mean here? You dont only leave because of domestic violence but also because of cheating/psychological violence etc. I am sorry if i misunderstand you

[Moooch]

That’s why you get a job 🤪 I don’t need no damn man to give me money.

[Unit1]

@Moooch
Like a normal human being 🤪🤪🤪 😁😁😁

[hellohruu]

Yes I meant any kind of violence. No, a single father should dedicate himself to children and not look for women.

[Bananaman177]

I am 33 years old and I have met tens of thousands of people and you're the first female I've ever seen or even heard of who doesn't think that all men are nothing but worthless slaves to women's needs and desires. How the fuck did you break the conditioning? Because every other fucking woman on Earth is FULLY brainwashed.

[hellohruu]

I mean men are people too and they have feelings. And they don’t deserve to be treated like doormat. If a woman treats you like her money resource only it means she doesn’t like you/isn’t into you and is manipulating and that doesn’t help anyone. I wish people had honest intentions but we live in a society

[TruthBringer]

@hellohruu You have a good head on your shoulders. You are an example of what a good woman is. You have my compliments

[hellohruu]

Thank you @TruthBringer, I appreciate it 😊

[HawkPerception]

I don't think I ever would. It would feel pretty weird to me helping raise another guy's kids. Looking at them would always remind me of another guy being physically intimate with the girl. I'm fine with peoples past and everyone makes mistakes, but imagining that every time I see the kids is too much for me. Call me petty.

[True_Sage]

No one in their right mind wants single moms. Bad track record. Women start 70% of divorces bc they think Mememe and rarely compromise or treat their men right.

single moms have the stink of unfaithful selfishness on them. It's all about their kid and chances are they don't want more. No good man wants a single mom. It's only a desperation move. We all know they're petty judgmental and can't compromise. Red flag.

The kids say you're not my dad, and the man gets to make no decisions as mom says "it's my kid". No one wants that. Hence no one wants single moms. You don't even get to feel like a father. Waste of time that just ends in another divorce no way.

You're asking to ruin your life

[Anonymous]

I'm sorry, are we supposed to get rid of all children so men can feel superior in the relationship? Weak minded individuals.

If you are so concerned about having to raise another mans child, how about you MEN as a collective agree to 1) not die when you are married and have kids 2) not cheat on your wife and lead to divorce 3) not knock up a woman and run away 4) not be useless abusive shit bags and force the woman to leave

[Opinion Owner]

Downvote me all you want, IM RIGHT

[DanaeAdam5]

If they want to then yeah, but they have to make sure that they can actually handle meeting the kids and playing a role in their lives.

Dating a single mother is nothing to be ashamed of.

[KrakenAttackin]

Being a SIMP is something to be ashamed of.

[KrakenAttackin]

@hi_it_is_me123 Yes, if the kids are adults that is different.

[KrakenAttackin]

@hi_it_is_me123 Don't even start with "women who were abused"... just don't. Women do AT LEAST as much abuse as men do, at least. "Abuse" is the battle cry of women who's man refuses to be their man slave, every day, all day. Women feel so entitled they think not getting everything they want is "abuse", fucking ridiculous.

[KrakenAttackin]

@hi_it_is_me123 BULLSHIT.

[DanaeAdam5]

@TruthBringer as @hi_it_is_me said you can't control who fall for.

Plus some men actually do NOT mind dealing with those kids and they definitely don't date single moms because they consider them 'easy'.

Also who the hell are you to say what and what isn't abuse or call another user that you don't know a sociopath?

[TruthBringer]

@hi_it_is_me123 Ironic you talk about shaming tactics since all you do is use ad hominems in your arguments. You have to learn what a sexist and "misogynist" is before you assign that label to people. I've plenty of women I agree with and who support my views. If what you say is correct, then I wonder why half of my followers are women and I manage to have great conversations with them. You simply call people "incel", "sexist", "misogynist" when people stand up for men's rights. And I'm not spamming you. I'm reacting to other people.

And the reason why people call you "feminazi" is because of your bias in favor of women and not thinking how men are experiencing things. So when men say they don't want to date single mothers, for example, you go bat shit crazy. Even though that is THEIR freedom and right to do so. You'd be surprised how many times I called out fake men who don't have the best interest of women on their minds. But anyone who doesn't agree with YOU 'must' be a "woman hater". Suuuuuure.

[TruthBringer]

@hi_it_is_me123 Didn't even bother read your rant. Thanks for proving my point once again. Enjoy your day, love <3

[hi_it_is_me123]

Nothing but a nonsense/rant again. But thank you for your reply, although you are unstable person, it is nice thst you reply in a nice way. 😊😍

[yucychan]

Fuck Aubrey, who cares what she says.
If you like that single mom and you want to date her, then go ahead and date her.
You can't tell people whom they should date and whom they should not.

[PhantomMk]

I am deeply disturbed by most of these answers from both men and women some of y’all haven’t matured enough to have a conversation such as this one and it has clearly showed. What a sad world we live in also to those who think you have the right to call someone less of a man because of a personal preference you need to rethink your life and grow tf up, you don’t own the right to deem someone a man because of your personal feelings this entire thread is to be reformed.

[SjE78]

it depends if they are attracted to the mother's, after all whether they have kids or not does not define who a person is, it can however highlight whether or not they are good around kids, so if planning on having kids then it could be a sign of if they are going to be a good choice or not though...

[AndyFo]

I am not even sure why this would be question, there is nothing wrong with dating a single mother. Does having a child make one exempt from love merely because the other people doesn't have kids too? If you look at a child and all you think about is being a backup plan than you need therapy more than I do, and buddy that's pretty bad.

[magiusX26]

hell yeah

[mich15smith]

Sure, I don't know why there would be any issue with two consenting adults entering into a relationship. Also he is opperating under the conception that somehow a man in such a relationship is "forced" to provide for her kids. The financial contributions of the man in the relationship is entirely up to what he's willing to do so I don't know how he's getting taken advantage of here.

[SystemOfTheMachine]

I don't see the problem with it at first. Dating is dating, and it is just an experiment to see if you are compatible. If you are compatible, then the man will have to make sure he understands that he could be a stepfather, and that he will be basically adopting someone.

In some cases it can be great, especially if the man is infertile, but wants children. It is all about the situation.

[djmzes]

Simple

If a man want, he can
If he does not want, he can.
Whether it is a man or woman, both has the right to choose or reject.

[CasaNorba]

obviously nobody is stopping his ass. but me personally I say hell no!

that dude is right as he isn't valuing himself if he's down to raise and put up all the mental, physical and financial stress with kids who aren't even his. even worst the single mom is dating is probably with him for that reason only, and probably the real father of those brats dont even appreciate what he's doing

[Unit1]

Cucking can sometimes be used to refer to a man raising or investing parental effort into a kid, that is not his own.
And I'm not into either.

The better question is not whether childless men should date single moms but why should childless men date single moms.

[ThisIsMyOpinion]

Because they love the mother? And as they get to know the kids he loves them as his own?

[Unit1]

@ThisIsMyOpinion
Practically so. It's certainly not for me.

[SuzuBrooke]

It could be the same with single fathers as well this doesn't just happen to women. So it's just up to the person.

[Unit1]

@SuzuBrooke true that!

[TruthBringer]

@Unit1 Wel said. What I've noticed is that people who advocate for this idea are often oblivious to the dangers for men who date single-mothers. So many ex-step fathers warn about the cons of dating single mothers. And it's wise to heed their warning. It's often a lose-lose situation for men. Besides, falling in love is not so out of control as people make it to be. You can fall for so many people. It's best to fall in love with someone who is worth it in the end. I'd choose to do so with women who don't have kids.

[Unit1]

@TruthBringer I know right?
I remember getting like 10 pink downvotes for literally saying "Hey, if it wasn't me, who had sex and ejaculated inside her, then it's not gonna be me, who'll pay for it". In essence I said I'm not dating single mothers.

I bet it were those lazy freeloaders again, who (1) want to have the pleasure of having irresponsible sex and then (2) find some sucker/simp to cuck him to pay for her and her kid (s) because it's "part for the love" (I felt loved more by prostitutes).

[TruthBringer]

@Unit1 You've described the majority of women here on GAG. They will toss all kind of terms like "misogynist", "incel", "gay" etc. all because you refuse to allow yourself to get used by taking up responsibilities that aren't yours just so some female can profit off of YOUR hard earned resources. These are the same people who scream "men ain't shit" or "I'm strong and independent who don't need a man", but get mad when men let them practice what they preach. They want to have their cake and eat it too. I can guarantee you that they will not hestitate ditching single fathers themselves, but somehow we aren't allowed to reject single mothers. Right now I'm getting hate because I simply say I don't respect sluts as much as I respect women who don't open their legs for multiple men. Guess what they call me? a "misogynistic incel". Even though I'm in a healthy relationship with a loving girl, who is neither a slut nor a single mother. It's because of these idiots that groups like MGTOW were born. No fucking wonder groups like MGTOW are growing (which I'm not part of).

[Unit1]

@TruthBringer All true that man. They act like those kids, that cry at the checkout because their parents didn't buy them a chupa chups.

[ThisIsMyOpinion]

@TruthBringer If you don't want to be a step father fine. But you think those who chose to love a woman as well as her children as his own is stupid or less of a man?

[TruthBringer]

@ThisIsMyOpinion Less of a man compared to high value men who can have their pick because they have worked hard on themselves and are very well aware of the dangers that often come with dating single mothers? Yes. Are they less of human beings? No. Can they lead happy lives with single mothers? Yes. Does it often go wrong? Yes. It's basically the same principle with long distance relationships. They CAN work, but the majority don't.

When it comes to single mothers, I simply choose not to invest in children not my own and refuse to settle with a woman who sees me as a second option. If someone chooses to be a step father, that is none of my concern. At the same time it's none of their concern if I see them as a lesser man.

[ThisIsMyOpinion]

@TruthBringer Oh so a high value man would never take a women who left her husband because he cheated on her? A value men would never chose a woman who was raped and decide not to abort? A high value man would never chose a women who decided to care for her child when the father for a millions reasons wouldn't? Don't talk like they are not high value women becuese they are mothers. They are the parents who didn't walked away from their children.
Yes I will say the same for single fathers.

If you don't want fine. Nothing wrong with that. But yes, if you see them as lesser men you are dead wrong because they are not lesser women.

I really want to understand you on this. Women who are raped, who are beaten by their husbands, who are cheat on, etc. Are they supposed to stay with them? To be abused and cheated on? Are they supposed to dump the children for adoption? What do you expect? What's your solution? Don't have one? Then why do you lable them as lesser women?

[TruthBringer]

@ThisIsMyOpinion “Oh so a high value man would never take a women who left her husband because he cheated on her?”
– Didn’t say that. Putting words in my mouth now. Strawman much? Yet at the same time, why did the man cheat? Or are you immediately siding with the woman, because well muh wahmen are “oppressed”? Maybe it’s her behavior that has lead the man to cheat, who knows? Since you’re such a fan of pointing to exceptions, why not mention one here?

“A value men would never chose a woman who was raped and decide not to abort?”
– Another strawman argument. Pointing to exceptions to the rule does not disprove the rule. Most single mothers or childless mothers aren’t victim of rape as far as I know. By the way, what does a woman who got raped and decided to abort have anything to do with this topic?

“A high value man would never chose a women who decided to care for her child when the father for a millions reasons wouldn't?”
- You got that right. Single mothers are single mothers. Many single mothers take care of their child. Still doesn’t make a difference that a high value man who can get with CHILDLESS women won’t get with one who does have children not his own. By the way, this also reflects back to the woman, why is she opening her legs for the wrong men? See? Ever heard of accountability? She wouldn’t be in this problem if she didn’t open her legs for deadbeat fathers, to begin with. It means she has poor judgment of character. Your strawman arguments act like a double edged sword and are thereby flawed to their core.

[TruthBringer]

@ThisIsMyOpinion “A high value man would never chose a women who decided to care for her child when the father for a millions reasons wouldn't?”
- You got that right. Single mothers are single mothers. Many single mothers take care of their child. Still doesn’t make a difference that a high value man who can get with CHILDLESS women won’t get with one who does have children not his own. By the way, this also reflects back to the woman, why is she opening her legs for the wrong men? See? Ever heard of accountability? She wouldn’t be in this problem if she didn’t open her legs for deadbeat fathers, to begin with. It means she has poor judgment of character.

“Don't talk like they are not high value women becuese they are mothers.“
- I’ve never said these mothers aren’t high value. You keep pulling things out of your arse and shove it in my mouth. But since you’ve commented, there are many examples of these women who are NOT high value. And in the eyes of the sexual market place, they are LESSER of value compared to childless women. Same principle as women in their 20s are much more valued in terms of dating than women in their 40s.

Raped women, those who got beaten are victims of horrible acts. And they shouldn’t stay with them. Not sure where you think I implied that. Twisted interpretation you got there. Even though some of these cases could have been prevented if the woman didn’t ignore red flags from the start. @Cataphract made a VERY good point --> “At the very least, the "les guilty side" is guilty of not seeing the red flags and remaining in such a relationships. The longer such a relationship lasts the bigger is the fault of the "less guilty" side, and if it got to kids, that is the ultimate mistake.”. <-- Let that sink in, pal.

[TruthBringer]

@ThisIsMyOpinion
You don’t try to understand me, clearly. Because you resort to nothing other than strawman arguments, gas lighting and clearly unwilling to research this topic from other men’s perspectives. Otherwise you wouldn’t be so defensive on a topic you’re CLEARLY uneducated about. Dating single mothers is generally a LOSE-LOSE situation for a man. Plain and simple. They should go date single fathers as that is a much balanced relationship. A childless man should have no business getting with single mothers. And they mostly do so because they want the woman, not the kids. If they have to choose to be with her with or without the kids, they are going to choose the latter.

[ThisIsMyOpinion]

@TruthBringer I am not saying you said that. It had a "?" at thwe end right? All were questions not statements.

I don't side with anyone that cheats unless their partner has done something terrible. When I gave my examples of course I am not talking about the ones where the woman is an evil bitch. It happens. But what also happens is that the man is a bastard and those are the cases I refered to.

Not all, no. But you did put all stepfather and single mother in the same basket, those included, did you not?
Another question, not a statement.

He can still have children with her. What stops him? If he likes her, he likes her kids and can have his own with her. What is the issue?

Why is she opening her legs to the wrong men? My guess is that they did saw them as good men. At first at least.

[ThisIsMyOpinion]

@TruthBringer You don't think single mothers are low value, but you think men who chose them are. Makes no sense.

Again I didn't said you said anything. I asked you what your plans for them were then? What do you suggest for them to do? Since they are not worthy to high value men if they leave. But you agree they must leave? Then what is your solution?

Sure some women have kids with men who show them all those red flags. But you really think most of them do? Do you really think that they have children with them thinking they will be bad fathers? Let that sink in.

[ThisIsMyOpinion]

@TruthBringer I made questions. Never assumptions or put words in your mouth. That's not how I argue.

Of course when they start dating they want the mother and not the kids. But why not the kids? They are as much source of headhaches as they are of happyness. If a man wants to also have them. Why not? Why that's a lose lose situation. Or are you assuming that they will always be treated like crap and just leeeched out of their resources and life?

[TruthBringer]

@ThisIsMyOpinion Cheating itself is an unjustifiable act. Yet when it comes to cheating, it’s often a man’s fault. If a man cheats, it’s his fault. If a woman cheats, it’s still his fault because he “must have done something bad” or “didn’t make her happy”. Somehow we barely apply this to cheating men. So my question to you is, why did he cheat? Did she not make him happy? Reflects to her. Did she do everything right and he still cheated, because he is a “bastard” as you say? Still reflects badly to her. Why did she get with this bastard? Red flags show themselves more than people are willing to recognize them. People don’t change. They just become more of who they are. And if she didn’t see that, then that only validates what I said --> poor judgment of character.
You should understand that single mothers are a thorn in the back to a childless man. Doesn’t make the woman herself bad. She thinks about her kids and her own survival. Doesn’t take away the fact it’s still a lose-lose for the man. Childless women should also not get with single fathers. So the same rule applies. Even though the single father may not need her for her resources, a childless woman should focus on starting a family with a childless man.
He can still have children, but also take care of kids not his and has to deal with all the cons that dating a single mother can bring. If he likes her and wants the kids aswel, then he is free to do whatever he likes. We all are. If that is what truly makes him happy, he should go for it. But for the majority of us? We don’t want that. Hence why this is a taboo subject.

[TruthBringer]

@ThisIsMyOpinion “You don't think single mothers are low value, but you think men who chose them are. “
- Read my comment once more. I’ve already clarified this.
- I already said, they should date each other (single mothers and single fathers). Don’t pull childless people in their mess.
Why they don’t want kids? Thanks for proving you’re unaware of this subject, but still are willing to challenge people. No self respecting man is going to invest in genetic offspring not his own. This has always been the case in both animal kingdom AND in humans. So some dude fucks and breeds a kid with her and I’m here to take care of HIS genes? To hell with that. My resources go into MY children. And who said I want to deal with baby daddy issues if the father is still in the picture? These are a few examples. And often, they DO get leeches off for their resources. Another example. Many ex-stepfathers I’ve encountered (and few ones I know personally) complained about the same thing: Whenever they want to discipline the child, the mother stops them and say he shouldn’t because its
“HER” children not his. But when it comes to paying bills for these kids like school, food, soccer training etc. it’s “OUR” children all of a sudden. I suggest you go on YouTube and watch videos with the title “never date single mothers” or something relative to that.

[ThisIsMyOpinion]

@TruthBringer Are we going off topic now?
The cheating was simply an example to ask you what are women to do when they are "insert a number of things including being cheated on". I am referring to the cases where the man was in the wrong. And the mother was left with children alone on her lap.
As to the why would a he/she got with a bad he/her? Well the same reason every single person that regrets it later did, love. Love is blind and mades us do stupid things. If one must carry a cross all live for it? No. Not at all.

She thinks of her kids and her survival? Are we 100 years in the past and no one told me? Today they just want a partner for the same reasons anyone wants one, not because they need more money. So how is that a lose-lose situation?
And what are those cons that single mothers have? You are about to generalize aren't you?

Again if a man don't want fine. Really. But if he does, well you called him a lesser man.

[ThisIsMyOpinion]

@TruthBringer Their mess? You are calling being single with kids kids a mess?

"No self respecting man is going to invest in genetic offspring not his own." This right here is the main topic I believe. Explain to me why not? If a man have in front of him a women he loves, with children that can and most likely will love him one day. Why wanting to join that family makes him a no self respecting man?
His genes? His genes? THEY ARE PEOPLE! They are kids! They are not to looked at as simply another guy's sperm in any circumstances. He is not taking care of another man's genes he is taking care of children of the women he loves. Who one day he will love as much as his own.
Do you see them like that? Not as kids but as another man's offspring? You disappoint me.

They are also your children! The moment you get in it for the long therm they are also your children! And yes your time and resources should go to your children.

Yes there are cases where the dynamic is not the best. There are cases where it takes time for all to fall into place. But there are also the ones where everything just falls into place from the start.

[TruthBringer]

@ThisIsMyOpinion Oh wait until you find out that step fathers get with women, shower them with love and get so little in return. In reality, these are often nice guys settling for scrap. Often these same men who are “stepping up” aren’t even the first choice of these women. Take resources out of the equation and let’s see how many step dads aren’t getting kicked to the curb by these women. Single mothers are known to date in order to have someone who can not only be there for her, but more importantly provide for her and her kids. And not all of them love the new man. Neither kids nor the woman. There is conditional love only. With your way of thinking --> long distance relationship will eventually work. Which is absurd because they generally don’t.

[TruthBringer]

@ThisIsMyOpinion And to answer your question on the genetic thing. It has to do with self respect and not seeing yourself as a caretaker of another man’s responsibilities. If I die, I want MY genes to continue. So I will make sure MY genes keep existing. I’m not going to focus on another man’s genes, that’s none of my concern. This stems back to our primal instincts. Yes, his GENES. We are genetic offsprings. Fine. MY kids and THEIR kids. Happy? I don’t want to take care of another man’s KIDS. And neither do so many other men. And yes, you end up taking care of the kids of the woman you love. Which aren’t your kids. And like I care if I disappoint you or not. We don’t even share the same values. I don’t need to hear “you’re not my father, don’t tell me what to do” like other step dads do. Good luck with that shit. If you’re willing to do so, then be my guest and be the ‘hero’ to these women. And no matter how much you try and delude yourself, they will NEVER be your kids. You have 0 say when it comes to these kids when you divorce that woman. While if you ARE the biological dad, you will have a say.

Oh, and love doesn’t happen within a day or two. We got our brains. If you only think with your heart and let ‘love’ deceive you, you are bound to repeatedly get your heart broken and set yourself up for repeated disappointment. <-- Goes back to poor judgment of character + lack of selfcontrol.

[ThisIsMyOpinion]

@TruthBringer Says who that they get little in return? Says who they ar enot the first choice? Says who they will be kicked to the curb? Says who the love they have is conditional?

Your genes? So you do see them like that don't you? Just grown up sperm. If you father and teach kids that are not your own they ARE your legacy! Just like you biological kids.
We are not animals. Our legacy is much more than just to procriate. Specially now at a time of overpopulation.
That line "you’re not my father, don’t tell me what to do”, along with others is as cliche as it can get. Many times kids are actually happy to have a close father that they never got to have.

Yes they will! They will 100% be the stepfather kids. Being a father is more than just the rights court gives me over them.

Yes again, both men and women, don't see the red flags on their partner. Call it lack of selfcontrol and poor judgement, sure you are right. Now what? They were blind by love and made a poor choice so lets llok at them as lesser people for the rest of their lives.

[TruthBringer]

@ThisIsMyOpinion Says who? The samemen who went down that road and are warning others about it. I’ve even heard happily married stepfathers who tell me it’s best to start my own family rather than continue an existing one. Who am I to not take their word for it. Says who they get kicked to the curb? Says who the love is conditional. Like I said, you keep proving my point that you know VERY LITTLE about this subject. In fact, about dating in general. There is no such thing as unconditional love in dating. That kind of love is most common in a mother for her children. Not in dating. If you think life is some Disney movie where things are unconditional, then you’re living in La La Land.
I see them as human beings who are carrying other men’s genes other than my own. If I teach and father kids MY own, then they are MY legacy more than if I teach and father kids not my own. Like I said, you can act like these children are yours, but they will NEVER be yours. When you and that mother split, you have ZERO say in the children’s lives. All that investment into them gone for what? It’s all wasted. at least I get to have a say in the lives of my children and I know I’ve invested in children who are carrying my name and genetics by furthering them into the gene pool. But do keep deluding yourself.
If you’re open to becoming a stepfather, then be our guest. Plenty of men like myself will never head that path and want to start our own family. I don’t need to be financially cucked just to get with a piece of ass like so many stepfathers’ main motivation was.

[ThisIsMyOpinion]

@TruthBringer Just like the men who went down that road and are happy they did. Who am I to not that their word for it?
And your proof that you know more about it than me is the forever good argument of "because I say so"
Yes they will be mine. Later in the relationship I will be able to punish, scold and have a say where they study or do. Not at first of course that takes time.
Waisted? Why? Unless you fail as a parent it isn't waisted.
You keep seeing them as genes. That's sad. They are your kids. Part of your legacy whatever you want or not.
If I was above 35 and single I would have no problem in becoming one.

[TruthBringer]

@ThisIsMyOpinion You keep thinking that children which you didn't adopt exclusively without there to be a condition to get with their parent truly are your kids. And I stick to reality, which is they are not. If you're willing to accept the major risks that often befall stepfathers when dating a single mother, then be free to do so. Myself and many other men aren't going to swim in seas many others have drowned. So it's best to agree to disagree.

[ThisIsMyOpinion]

@TruthBringer "So it's best to agree to disagree." Whith this part I agree, And with nothing else.

[Anonymous]

Men with no children should NOT have to date single mom's, they are in their situation of their own making, they had the choice of using birth control or not, staying in a relationship with the children's father or not.

I have made the choice to be childless and I have ALWAYS used contraception even now in my late 50's that still applies.

Single mom's have made their beds now they have to lay in them.

[Drumlin2001]

It didn't bother me. I met someone who i shared a number of interests with, we connected well, the fact she had kids didn't put me off at the time (sure there was a thought about how it would turn out in the long run). You're not replacing their father. Still his job along with their mum to raise them.
I assume then you would never adopt as you don't eant to raise kids that aren't you're own?

[Anonymous]

If she couldn't keep the man she had a child with what makes you think you gonna last. Them kids still have a fathers who would never just neglect them but to put up with a baby mothers and let them use kids to control the fathers lives is sometime not worth it cos the kids are the victims and some dads don't give the baby bitch mothers that chance. But men who date single mother are just advantage takers cos moat single mothers have low self esteem and mental issues and it's an easy catch. If you can't get a chick with no kids it just means you have no game.

[SuzuBrooke]

It could totally be the guy in the wrong too and that she was in an abusive relationship so that's one-sided. A lot of guys just like with girls hit the deck whenever they feel they have to be loyal and devoted thinking nothing of wanting anything to be serious. Or it could be that they just weren't a good match for each other there's a million and one sides to the story.

[Opinion Owner]

It doesn't take long to realise your in an abusive relationship nor does it take long to find out you aren't good match for each other certainly not until the point you'd have a kid. For a woman or a man to have a kid with one an other, an deep connection must have been established unfortunately most women are indecisive after they have a child. They find it hard to accept the commitment of being a parent and committed to one guy. Some guys too find it difficult when the baby is unexpected and they don't see themselves spending a life time with that woman cos she doesn't tick all their boxes. Nevertheless, historically and traditionally what keeps a family together is a good woman and those are rare in this day and age cos women nowadays think they're something they're not and think they're God's gift to men.

[SuzuBrooke]

Love keeps you in the deepest things and yes it takes a long while because you can't see the negatives about the person. Love blinds a person you haven't ever heard of that term because that's exactly what it does. And also men do that too and there's single father's out there. And also it takes more than just a woman to form a relationship. God also said that when women are in love they are more into their partners so what you said about women being uncommitted goes just as well for men because they are all about their love unlike men it's a curse from Adam's Apple Arc this also proves women stay in relationships that don't work out longer because of that curse and the hope to stay with their loved one. It takes commitment from a guy and a good guy at that as well there is not one sidedness to an actual happy healthy relationship it's sad to think that you think that. Also, the connection could be lost after childbirth friend so that isn't necessarily true. But in reality God made Eve for Adam because he was lonely. We basically are gifts to our men but we are also human beings as well. And it takes equality in a relationship to make it equal no side is working harder than the other because love is supposed to be equally shared if not it's a toxic relationship.

[SuzuBrooke]

Also there is the concept in the bible for women to take care of the house and children in the bible and men work to support the household. With the woman and man in time of need having to switch to make ends meet. So in reality for single mom's to have to work and single dad's to have to nurture both deserve a partner.

[TruthBringer]

@Anonymous You are 100% CORRECT! So many excuses are made, but no excuses should be taken. The reality is, a woman who ended up being a single mother (outside of becoming a widow) often have theirselves to blame for bad decisions with whom they allow themselves to have sex with. No high value and self respecting guy without baggage, who can also score himself women without kids is going to put up with that.

[SuzuBrooke]

@TruthBringer It's also guys faults for having sex with them too it's a group decision and men are the one's who have more say in the bible. Keep your bodies to yourselves.

[SuzuBrooke]

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[TruthBringer]

@SuzuBrooke That's why women must be very careful with whom they allow in their bodies. Men are the gatkeepers to relationships, women are the gatekeepers to sex. it reflects more towards the woman for getting knocked up by the wrong man. There is a reason why marriage in mainstream religions is a must.

[SuzuBrooke]

@TruthBringer Yes it's dangerous out there. And the sad fact is nobody knows who's the right person nowadays people say they are things they aren't and there's too much deception out there so basically don't f anybody even your husband and husbands don't have sex with your wives. Nobody knows the future except God. And it isn't who's faults to blame if people just were who they said they were we wouldn't have things like that.

[TruthBringer]

@SuzuBrooke Um, it's not that deep, but yeah you're right about you can't tell who is good and who is bad. Well, most of the time YOU CAN. See, there are so many red flags that either people admit or show you. Tattoos point to certain mental issues, same goes for self harm. Women who sleep around (aka sluts)? Yeah you can easily smell those aswel. Single mothers? Yeah, I don't need to sleep with them to find out they got kids. Getting to know a person for a period of time and finding out they don't have dealbreaker flaws is a much better deal than getting with those who already show these red flags. And yet it is indeed still a lead of faith and no guarantee it's going to work out. Hence why so many people are choosing to remain single. I can't blame them. But I'm still willing to take the leap, but with women who I perceive to be worth committing to.

[SuzuBrooke]

@TruthBringer That's true. So now you agree sometimes you can't know a person even by being with them for so long. There is red flags but there is a red flag in almost every relationship since there isn't very many healthy relationships and there's tons of situations which may be the fault of one gender both either way both did the deed and that can't be stopped nowadays this world's ears are shut. Still everybody has a good side to them. And everybody deserves love saying otherwise is untrue. God gave his son on the cross for all to believe in. It's just a choice of who'm you choose but all I was saying is that some single mom's aren't bad or as the opinion owner said and that with some of them you still have game. My aunt was one of those people so that's why I'm saying there's more than one tell to a story.

[TruthBringer]

@SuzuBrooke YOu will never find someone who suits your standards 100%. However, there are certain red flags you can accept, and others are simply dealbreakers. To myself and MANY men, single mothers are an absolute dealbreaker. Like I said, the leap must be taken, but it's up to us to first find out if that person is worth the leap.

[Opinion Owner]

The problem isn't what the bible said. The problem is social media and how women hoe themselves and sell themselves sexually. Most men are weak with the devil using women to lead them out of their path. And we're not talking about adam and eve here we're talking about these Instagram hoes aka single yummy mummy. But if we are to use adam and eve that as an example. God created her from his rib as companion. The devil couldn't get into adams head and convinced eve instead that if adam loves her enough is to disobey God and eat from the forbidden tree... hence why they both got kicked out of heaven and sent down to earth. That shows you who's the weakest link in the devils eyes. You may vouch for yourself or your ante but you can't vouch for the rest of single mothers who're half naked on social media and their kids barely happy without their dads.

[SuzuBrooke]

Yes that's true but not all of them are like that along with single dad's showing off their junk on social medias being a bad dad. You guys also are part of the creation of life to and chose to do that just like females. But that doesn't go by everyone so think before you judge and see the red flags for yourself this isn't only single mom's but single dad's as well and that is a majority of what you said too. God said not to judge for he is the only one who knows. You just got to look out for the signs. Judging based on past means nothing compared to present.

[SuzuBrooke]

So this is a deal breaker to MANY women as well.

[Opinion Owner]

Again you're just defending a narrative that fit with your gender rather than just sticking to facts. Men showing their junks on social media? Come on. What's the ratio of that comparing to what women sexually display on social media? If you say dick pic, maybe that's believable but that's done privately and no men would just do it unless a girl shows some signs of sluttyness or eagerness unless he's an immature idiot. Noone is judging like @Truthbringer "said some many excuses are made" cos women never take responsibility for their actions. If unhappy or have a doubt about a guy question your choices and keep your legs closed don't bring a life to this world and push a dad away cos you can't have your way and you no longer subscribe to the housewife tradition. Don't start a family if you wanna be out there promiscuous and Still wanna be admired for what you think it's a gift from God to men.

[SuzuBrooke]

Your want a page of men's indecent pictures go on facebook there's literally profiles of them and there's many profiles of women being slutty as well your so quick to take your side and unable to accept the fact many men do that too. They are idiots of all kind like that. But you judging single parents when you don't know their situation is just stupid as well. God warned not to judge based on past actions. Sex is sensual to both sides so keep your privates to you and we should keep ours to ourselves because the father's are also guys and the mother's are also females. You've been on y'alls sides since the beginning when in reality both single parents no matter the gender should be judges. They already dealed with a horrible relationship. And it isn't putting down their child in fact a child needs a father and a mother. Maybe they should stay with their kind and be single have their child never see an actual normal family. You called single mom's 'baby bitch mothers' so yeah that is judging. Also the part about no game. And yes there is plenty of men who neglect their children. This literally goes for both sides and you've been against the womens side not taking in that both single parents are the same and there's too many situations for them that you can't judge because you haven't been in that situation yourself.

[SuzuBrooke]

Single moms and dads don't need people like you guys anyways you literally have no respect so you will get no respect back from them when I tell you it wasn't on purpose a guy and a girl had a baby it wasn't on purpose. Some of them people want just what you said in that comment but never got a chance because you judged them too quick. They want a family that's more healthier than just a dad or just a mom in the relationship. Because in the END WE ALL ACT ALIKE WE'RE HUMANS. And God knows that. If you are going against one go against both. They both messed up. But don't judge them for trying to get their lives back in order for their children to have the other parent in their life. Maybe the whole reason for some is they tried to stay in the relationship is because they felt their child would be much better even if both of the parents had changed their thoughts after the pregnancy. God bless all the single parents out there that actually are good parents.

[Opinion Owner]

It's 2020 Who still uses facebook other than low class dumb people. Judging is pointing at a specific persons and labelling them. I don't think that has happened in this feed. But you seem to have some complexity in understanding that this isn't about you or someone specific. You're also have a tendency to be in denial because women sexually invite men in this day age not the other way around. And any woman that priorities herself over the happiness and the needs of her child is a selfish baby bitch mother, if that touches a nerve you're probably are in that category. When I'm speaking I'm speaking as a man cos i understand men and see what women do. Noone here was born just yesterday and nothing is said is made up. It's all out there. And I'm glad you mentioned single mothers don't need us guys cos we'll gladly oblige to that. Who needs a selfish emotional wreck that can't and won't keep a family together. They're certainly aren't a priority in the dating market. And they should just focus on the reason they broke their family and became single mothers in the first place. If they wanted to be independent - here is your chance - noone will tell you anything focus on raising your son and stop jumping from one guy to the other when you know you can't and won't lead the ship. Now you be in the lead have a taste of men's struggle. 😂

[TruthBringer]

@Anonymous SPOT ON BROTHER! Very well said! Lovely how we men are being shamed because we take their entitlement on OUR resources away from these broads. Single mothers are the lowest in the dating market. Hence why this is a taboo subject. But try telling the snowflakes this who don't see to understand that we are talking about real life here, not some idealistic Disney world. No high value and self-respecting man if going to settle for these used goods and their baggage

[TruthBringer]

@Anonymous You nailed it!

[bamesjond0069]

Hell no. Not seriously. I had a friends with benefits who was a single mom. She was so hot! She was really sweet too but she wanted to get married and i said hell no lol. She left and is married but still hits me up saying sexual stuff and asks me to coffee and stuff like that. She had to marry way down to get a guy to marry her.

[TruthBringer]

This is yet another example of why high value men don't settle for the bottom of the barrel. No matter how 'hot' a single mother is, she is still a single mother and will get overshadowed by other beautiful childless women. Gotta love how she had to compromise so much in order to get some desperate 'nice guy' to commit to her. I have no empathy for them

[bamesjond0069]

@TruthBringer yeah for real. I dodged a bullet but by being smart and not a dumb ass beta cuck.

[Alivegirlll]

Mr. Huff, as a "man" why do you think so much about the relationships of 2 adults? 🤔

he seems confused about valuing himself as a "man"😅

[AFellowWeeb]

Why can't women take care of their mistakes 🤔 ?

[TruthBringer]

This is called freedom of speech. What Mr. Huff is doing is giving his opinion on the subject. I doubt he is actively involving himself in relationships of others. If I use your logic, I would say to any person who is against dead beat fathers why they concern themselves with the relationship of 2 adults who have conceived a child, but the father ended up ditching the pregnant woman. Doesn't sound right, does it? And I'm looking forward to you answering @AFellowWeeb 's question

[Alivegirlll]

@TruthBringer

It's called the freedom of individual to choose the person to be in a relationship with.(by mutual agreement)

I'm not actively involving myself on his posts.

"Deadbeat parent is a pejorative term referring to parents of any gender who do not fulfill their parental responsibilities, especially when they evade court-ordered child support obligations or custody arrangements. They are also referred to as absentee fathers and mothers"

"Single mother is a mother who has a dependent child or dependent children and who is widowed, divorced, or unmarried."

Being a deadbeat parent makes the person irresponsible, being a single mother doesn't. See the difference please.

@AFellowWeeb What is the mistake of the woman? Being single and mother at the same time? or dating a man?

[TruthBringer]

Ah, but here is the key point. You play the "mind your own business" card. That's what you're trying to get to. Same thing can be applied with deadbeat fathers who these women allow to impregnate them. Somehow we are all against that, but if we start criticizing single mother's mistreatment of stepfathers, we keep our mouths shut. Either we are all open to criticize everything or we should keep our mouths shut on everything. Can't have your cake and eat it too. Just because you criticize something, doesn't mean you're involving yourself directly in that person's relationship. You're just speaking your mind from the sidelines. And by that, I'm not sure how it makes sense for your to question Mr. Huff's masculinity merely because he gave an opinion that probably struck a nerve. It seems it has become a pattern that anything a man says that may be seen as "offensive" even though no offense was given, we start to put his masculinity to question. That's called an ad hominem and it's not something positive. And I know what Mr. Huff is talking about. If you would like, I can explain it to you in detail.

[SuzuBrooke]

@TruthBringer So and you play the victim card and discredit women whenever there's single parents of both sexes sexist much?

[TruthBringer]

@SuzuBrooke Nice of you to put whatever I say out of context and twist my words. I play no victim as I refuse to be one. I discredit parents who mistreat their partners who happened to step up. Only those who think only think of their own best interest, even if it comes at a cost of another person. Regardless of their gender. But since the topic is about single MOTHERS, I kept it at that. Mr. Huff is speaking from a general perspective as so many stepparents become resentful of their partners and their children. Divorce rates between a stepparents and a remarried parent are high. It is so bad that there is a high chance you'll end up losing when dating a single parent. And from a dating market perspective, he is absolutely correct when it comes to not having options and self-value.

[DWornock]

If she is way out of your league, you may consider it. However, in that case, she wouldn't date you anyway. However, she might if she is just 1 point above your league. However, if 1 point better than single gals you can date offsets her baggage and make it worthwhile, I don't know.

[Liam_Hayden]

Depends. I am sterile. If I were inclined to marry (I'm not) I would not be scared off by a younger widow who had small children. Now if you are talking about a stereotypical welfare mom who has several kids by different dudes, hell to the no.

[Avicenna]

Just because a guy has kids, a single mom isn't more appropriate for him than for a childless guy.

A childless guy shouldn't date a single mom unless he can't get another woman or a single mom is the best woman he meets.

[TheUniqueOne96]

Like someone else said, you do you.

Personally, I wouldn't, because I don't want kids, nor do I want the responsibility of raising anyone else's, something that would more than likely happen, if I were to date a single parent.

[NoblesseObligeKK]

You've got nothing to prove to anyone; everyone has their baggage. Sometimes, you've got no other choice than date a single mom. Other times the single mom is better than any other option. You do you man.

[Solstice777]

So many fish in the sea so everyone has options.

[NoblesseObligeKK]

@Solstice777 Not always mate some people can be hindered by location i. e. Tuvalu. Yeah, Ig they could do a long distance thing, but can you realistically call that dating?

[Anonymous]

"Should"?
That doesn't have a real answer.

Will they though? Probably not.
Few men want a second hand family.
Few men want to support and propagate the genetics of another male using their own resources.
They're going to prefer starting a brand new family rather than going second hand while some other guy squanders his resources.

[Cataphract]

Absolutely not. You shouldn't be responsible for the mistakes of the woman. Unless you are 35+, then you trully might not have many options.

[ThisIsMyOpinion]

In what way are you responsible for her mistakes?

[SuzuBrooke]

@Cataphract It might not be the one who had a kids mistake but the person who left that person as a single parents mistake you can't judge people so easily and put it as a simple thing. But if you love her then just like if she loves you and your the single parent you got to take care of what she/he loves. Also, people aren't options don't refer them to that. So if you were a single father had an abusive relationship or someone who wasn't devoted or it just wasn't working out after the pregnancy and she left the children for you to take care of that wouldn't be your mistake. And there are both single moms and single dad's. They might not even need your support. But you not being able to care for what they love shows that you aren't mature enough for a relationship yet since your saying they are the one who made the 'mistake'.

[TruthBringer]

@Cataphract Keep spreading the truth, brother!

[Cataphract]

@SuzuBrooke If you were the mature one here you would lose the victim mentality. While both people can not be equally responsible, relationships still can not be one sided. At the very least, the "les guilty side" is guilty of not seeing the red flags and remaining in such a relationships. The longer such a relationship lasts the bigger is the fault of the "less guilty" side, and if it got to kids, that is the ultimate mistake. A good parent always puts his kids first. So if a single mother/father enters a relationship with someone who does not have kids, that is an unbalanced relationship from the very start. The side without kids does not deserve to be put after someone who is not even his child. So a single parent can choose, he is either a bad spouse or a bad parent. It is a lose-lose situation. A single parent should realize his mistake and accept the consequences and limitations of their choices like a grownup. At that point they should only look for people who are in a similar situation in order to have a chance of having a balanced relationship that is fair to both involved parties.

[Cataphract]

@ThisIsMyOpinion If you are her number 2, and her number 1 is not related to you, you are in an unbalanced relationship and you deserve better. And a good parent will always put his child first, so the single parent has a choice between being a bad spouse or a bad parent.

[Cataphract]

@TruthBringer That's why i'm here man. Lucky for us in my part of Europe there aren't many snowflakes.

[SuzuBrooke]

The guys the one who made her pregnant and you are equally biased. And also guys can change in a snap just like women after pregnancy maybe leaving their husband or spouse is a good step for her children either way you are claiming they aren't worthy of love then you could say the same about single dad's not being worthy of finding a partner too you selfish jerk. They are just trying to take care of their children. It's hard to raise a child singlehandedly. And you can't always judge not everyone leaves red flags waiting in the dust also guys are the ones who have more control in the relationship wise usually if religion is placed. Yes it is fair then in that case. Don't come looking for single unparented women if you are a single dad just like single moms. In that case there's fair for you but you can't deny they all deserve love. And we all make mistakes.

[TruthBringer]

@Cataphract I live in the Netherlands and we Dutch are known to be straight forward and blunt. Which I'm very happy about. No snowflakes here either. at least not for the majority. It's truths like what you preach what people hate. And if you look at @solstice777's comment, you can see the typical shaming tactics thrown his way, simply because he is against dating single mothers. Which is his right. I wouldn't be surprised if I'm going to get the flame aswel

[Cataphract]

@SuzuBrooke You are so deep "men are piggs" rabbit hole that you did not even notice i wrote single PARENT. And people don't change, they just become more of who they are. But you are completely missing the point here. Nobody said that single mothers "aren't worthy of love". Read my responses again. Single parents should look for other single parents if they want to be fair to their future spouse. If two people with kids from previous relationships get married, they can be good parents and put each other 2nd. That is a balanced relationship. Seriously, read my response again and cool your head when you respond next time.

[ThisIsMyOpinion]

@Cataphract 100% wrong. You can be both. I am number two and the number one will be related to me. A good step father does not sees her children as from another man. He sses them as his own.

[TruthBringer]

@ThisIsMyOpinion Yeah go tell that to the majority of ex-step fathers who regret and warn about the dangers of dating a single mother. Speak for yourself, my friend. There is a reason why this is a taboo subject. Wake up. This is real life, not a fairy tale. So sticking to ideal thoughts often leads to catastrophe

[ThisIsMyOpinion]

@TruthBringer Every single step father I know is still happly married.
If it can go wrong? Sure it can! Just every other relationship can!

[TruthBringer]

@ThisIsMyOpinion Ah yes, here we go again. The same type of arguments coming from you "I know xxx who did xxx so that means xxx". Because the people you know represent the majority of people now? Well let me tell you something, I know PLENTY of ex step fathers who were both married or just got into relationships with single mothers, but never married and they either divorced or split. And with those who I have talke, d they all warned me about the same things. I've said this to you before and I'll say it again --> Pointing to exceptions to the rule doesn't disprove the rule.

[ThisIsMyOpinion]

Do you have a study that says most step father regret it?

[TruthBringer]

@ThisIsMyOpinion Do you have a study single mothers are generally high value? Because what I can provide you is people talking from experience.

[hi_it_is_me123]

Would you say the same shit about sungle dads? If yes, i can agree with at some point. Why do people shame on single mums but dont say a shit about single dads. I also dont understand the hate on men who date single mums. It is not your business

[Cataphract]

@ThisIsMyOpinion There are no two 1st places. It is impossible. And if you try to balance it out, not only will you ultimately fail, but you will also be BOTH a bad parent and a bad spouse. Look at it like this: imagine that your spouse and child are both in a life threatening situation, and you can save only one. Granted this is an extreme, although it can happen, but the view of both spouse and a kid is what matters 90% of the time. If your kid says you're putting your spouse first, it can truly believe that. Then if you want to be a good parent, you are going to try putting them first more, which will make you neglect your spouse. Unless your spouse has the exact option to 'neglect' you back by dealing with his own kid that you are not related to, they are either going to cheat or resent you. Because again, there needs to be a balance in a healthy relationship in order for it to work.

[Cataphract]

@hi_it_is_me123 You look like yet another "men are pigs" activists who doesn't read comments before deciding to comment on them.

[hi_it_is_me123]

@Cataphract actually you are the one "women are disease". Then explain to me to me what does having no option mean unless you are 35? What i get from that is that you see single mum as insult to yourself and think you deserve better, which says a lot about you. So you are indirectly shaming on single mums. That is like saying that women dont respect themself and have no value for dating men over their 30s with kids. It is ok if you dont want to date any single mum but you dont have to be hateful. I also dont consider the many male gagers here as men. Men ain't cry babies, who blame their women for incesurities. Look at the writer of this comment. He thinks he is something better that trash talk single mum by insulting men who date/marry them like a crybaby Again you dont have to date/marry any single mum.

[hi_it_is_me123]

Dont @ i dont want to discuss with you anymore. I ask you in a very nice way if you also hold yourself on to the same principles as you hold women on to these principles and you come to me with your rude/Inapprochiate comment and call everyone indirectly feminazi for not simping for you aka not fully supporting your opnions. I also dont read every comment. I dont have so much time. So bye.

[ThisIsMyOpinion]

@TruthBringer If we are talking from experience I can tell you every single stepfather I know is loved both by the mother and kids and is still within the family.

[ThisIsMyOpinion]

@Cataphract No you will not ultimately fail. Even in cases of biological parents, both the mother and the father have to put their kids first, before their partner. That's no different with step parents.
Using you own example, lets say the parents are the biological mother and father of the child. One of the parents or the child has to die. Of course they will chose the partner to die and the child to live! Child comes first. Just like it would if they were step parents.
There always has to be balance on the love and attention you give. That is valid for a couple with or without a step parent.

[Cataphract]

@hi_it_is_me123 If you only read my initial comment to this topic it was an answer to a question. The question was "Should men with no kids date single moms?". If you didn't read my responses to understand what i think about it but preferred to jump to conclusions and dismiss my view after the first sentence because it's easier for you, that is your fault not mine. If you do not want to put in an effort to actually understand then do not bother answering because you're wasting both of our times.
Second, any self-respecting man without such baggage will not take the same baggage of the other person. Unless he is out of options. In that case he has to compromise. Same goes for women. Now if logic and honesty insults you that is again your problem, not mine. Men with no kids that date women with kids have no self worth, or are simply stupid. Because ANYONE with a normal IQ can see problems down that road. Again, same goes for women.

[Cataphract]

@ThisIsMyOpinion Your idea might work in theory but it doesn't work in practice because it disregards human nature. Human is an animal just like all other animals. Parents will always treat their own kid differently from someone else's kid, that is simple biology. And even if they don't show it, they can not escape from their nature.

[hi_it_is_me123]

I am not going to read all of your ridiculous opinions
It is also none of your business if someone date single parent and you have no right to insult them. I also dont prefere to date them but i dont disrespect them like you do. This ain't an honest opinion, it is a childish way to trashtalk people who ain't like you. Again you dont have to date/marry them but dont trash talking people who have no problem with single parents. your worth also is not reduced on your potential partner. You are no better than someone who date single parent

[Cataphract]

@hi_it_is_me123 For the love of God! Just read the title of this topic and think long and hard what are you writing.

[hi_it_is_me123]

Just stop it. The question itself is ridiculous like you. The tweet is also sexist. If the genders were reversed this writer of man would be called feminazi for saying such a thing about men

[Cataphract]

@hi_it_is_me123 No he would not. And if you bothered to read what i wrote you would actually see that. So no it is not sexist. Stop with the victim mentality. Grownups are responsible for their choices and they will always be.

[hi_it_is_me123]

Men can decide themself whether they want to date/marry single parents. So asking whether men should date/marry is also sexist towards men because they dont need other people to decide what they should do and dont do in their life

[hi_it_is_me123]

Yes Grownup also dont interfere themself in someone's life and insult people life style

[Cataphract]

@hi_it_is_me123 Why are you on this topic if not to share your opinion on the matter?

[Cataphract]

@hi_it_is_me123 Nobody is forcing people to date or not date single parents. My stand on this matter does not mean i am going to chain such people and use them as slave labour. Opinions are not laws. And exchange of opinions are not someone telling someone else how to live. Grow the fuck up.

[hi_it_is_me123]

Grow tf yourself and learn to tolerate other people lifes instead of trash talking them just because they ain't like you. Trash talking is not an opinion but still thank you for your replies

[Cataphract]

@hi_it_is_me123 I DO tolerate them. That is why i am not forcing them to change. But unless proven otherwise i will continue to hold this opinion. Call it trash talk, call it racist fascist sexist or what ever you want. That means that YOU are using shortcuts to avoid considering my opinion. I have explained my view, you have not.

[TruthBringer]

@ThisIsMyOpinion And I can talk from experience that the ones I know regret every bit of becoming a stepfather and think they have been mislead and mistreated by the mother. Your point?

[hi_it_is_me123]

By the way i agree with @Cataphract. I have nothing against him.

[hi_it_is_me123]

By the way i dont disagree with everything men say. I dont disagree with ThisIsMyOpinion and i also agree with @Cataphract at some point. So stop with this bullshit. You are the one who disagree with everyone who dont share your bullshit mindset.

[hi_it_is_me123]

@Truthbringer i only disagree with little boys like you

[TruthBringer]

@Cataphract See? This is what I was talking about lmfao

[TruthBringer]

Sweetheart, you're the one who starts blocking. I simply blocked you back so you can't litter my own comment sections with your delusion (which you've proved to Cataphract aswel). And you call anyone a woman hater who doesn't want to bend over backwards for your pathetic demands. But you do you girl. And you agrree with cataphract? Well that's lovely, so do I.

[hi_it_is_me123]

Lol now you trying to change the topic after you see how pathetic you become and realize it is childich act to except people to block me so you can shut md up?

[hi_it_is_me123]

@Truthbringer i can block you but i would never go tell people to block you since this is fucking kindergarten bullshit. I dont fully agree with Cataphract and i agree with him at some points and i have nothing against him.

[hi_it_is_me123]

Awww Are you just mad at me, you pathetic stupid looser for blocking you? Lol i can stop blocking you if you want it so much idiot, so we dont spam/ disturb people here. Tell me wtf you want to me or hate on me via dm or under my comment under this question.

[hi_it_is_me123]

What kind of submissive incel are you? You like provoking me so insult you, right? I explain myself before and i am not going to talk about the same shit again. You are just a pathetic looser who try to expose me. Tell him also the date when i said this to you.

[TruthBringer]

@hi_it_is_me123 Yes I'm an "incel" who somehow spent entire Christmas with my girlfriend and each other's families, and also giving her great Christmas sex she was so excited about (I only mention this because I know it annoys you). I'd probably be the first ever Officer at the Dutch Air Force with a girlfriend who is somehow still an "incel". And sweetie, that screenshot was taken at an earlier date and that was after you throwing shit at me before, after you were stalking some other dude a while back (I forgot his name). This is you picking fights with people and then apologize, only later to have fights with them again.

Like I said @Cataphract good luck

[hi_it_is_me123]

what the hell is your problem? Dont use mentall illness as an insult by the way, you pathetic coward You are just ridiculous. Yeah you are right. i was stupid for apologizing myself to a selfish coward like you You just deserve getting treated like shit. Who tf did i stalk? Are you know hallunicating? You are the one who stalk people by making screenshots, going trough all their feed and spread lies about people. Your worth is the same as used dildo with no self worth, c*nt.. Tell me who i stalked, looser? You dont know this dude's name, yet spread some lies about me, c*nt. I really dont have any nerve for someone like you. Let me alone. What the hell did I do to you the the point that you try to bully me with your ridiculous shaming tactics every moment you can. I block you, not because i have something against you, but because of you never ending shameless attitude. I actually rarely block or only block so i can avoid them for a temporary time. Let me alone f*cktard

[hi_it_is_me123]

You are the only joke here to people and can't accept when people block you and play the victim card like a big cry baby, incel. Just stfu and dont bring up the racist card if yourself a sexist, ageist, antiwhite piece of shit. Also dont talk about insults, when you name call me , you pathetic stupid cunt. The only little kid is you here who spam people who dont agree with you bullshit and call everyone snowflake. So you are the only one who throw a temper tantrum and sspam just because daddy dont fuck your throat, incel. By the way just because i dont like some middleeastern people, it does not mean i am racist. I also dont have to like anyone, cunt. Dont talk about mental problems if you dont know a shit about it, stupid cunt. You use mentall illness as insult and now you are trying to twist your word. Is it that difficult for you take responsibility for your own words or stay behind your statements without lying and talking bullshit, you looser? I also have no respect for little dicks like you who act like they care about middleeastern/people but also wants to get a job to destroy such middleeastern countries. so dont come to with you racist card, if you are hypocritical piece of shit yourself, cunt. You can't except me to stay calm and be nice to you, if yourself an selfish asshole yourself.

[hi_it_is_me123]

What do you also mean with reporting? I have not reported anyone for so many months

[SuzuBrooke]

@TruthBringer The only jerk here is you for bringing up a disorder when you are the one with it. Ever heard a disorder isn't the person itself and whoever uses it in a argument is a psychopath. I tried being reasonable with you.
You twist your words so much that you ain't the one to talk your bipolar and also you don't understand that with both gender parents they both are equally responsible and need to respected and cared for don't call them names just state your opinion in an actual respectful adult way sure some are bad but WHAT DO YOU KNOW? You are not a single dad. Without you trashing them you don't even know a fraction of them and it's sexist that you are ganging up on women and anyone who disagrees with you along with your buddy. Now that the tide is turned and everyone is against you and you masculine toxicity. You keep acting as if you make perfect decisions and never make a bad mistake then you suddenly go saying simp when your the degenerate who's judging people before getting to know them.

And you exposing and name calling is a major part of you feeling insecure and knowing none of your logic hardly makes sense. And then you preach it. I've already read a bunch of your replies to know enough about how toxic you are and all the red flags with you and you aren't even a single father. Your the pansy hiding behind others playing the simp card when you are simping for toxic masculinity and being all butthurt when someone else tries to explain their opinion then ganging up on a 15 YEAR OLD and being less against single dad's and not single mom's. You all are pansies for thinking the world is so freaking black and white. And then you bringing in women on the internet that are naked as if all single moms do that but then not using a single cell in your brain to think the other way just shows this. And you wonder why you ain't being supported anymore.

[SuzuBrooke]

And the only reason I'm supporting single mom's more is because your attacking them more. So shut the fudge up you hippocrite. Also I'm in it for both sexes single dads especially included either way. You judge so fast and you are a jerk. All of you are who are name calling them and disrespecting them.

[TruthBringer]

@SuzuBrooke HAHAHAHAHA You say all of that while neglecting the other person's paragraph full of name calling? Thanks for proving your hypocrisy and double standards on your end. Oh please do enlighten us to where I was being an ass. For saying men who don't have kids should not date single mothers and that single fathers and single mothers are more suitable. Sure, sweetie. Anyone who doesn't suit your own bias is MR MEAN. Ganging up on a 15 year old? What? Now you're just talking out of your arse.

You are free to protect single mothers and I am free to protect and defend ex step fathers and potential step fathers from all the mistreatment they have been gone through or are about to go through. People like you and @hi_it_is_me123 are perfect examples of those who want to everything going their way without thinking of the other side. And newsflash baby girl, I don't BASH single mothers or single fathers. I criticize their actions towards stepfathers and stepmothers. Go take your shallow shaming tactics and gas lighting elsewhere. If you're going to play the moral hero, make sure you do it right

[TruthBringer]

@SuzuBrooke Clearly you didn't even bother read the other person's "insults" name calling. Goes to show the double standards. You miss are a hypocrite. Unlike people as yourself and the other unstable girl, I don't resort to ad hominem tactics. And I'm not sure which 15 year old you're talking about. So I'm starting to think you're confusing me with someone else. Try to make rational comments rather thanpathetic false accusations. You stick up for single mothers, and I stick up for men who have been wronged by them and who are about to get wronged by them. And I don't need to be a single father to listen, hear and see what stepfathers and ex-stepfathers are going through. Come back to me when you're off the wishful thinking train. So far, you've said nothing relevant. If you're going to play the moral hero, do it right.

[ThisIsMyOpinion]

@Cataphract "disregards human nature"? How so? Because the kids are not mine? Please! Like biology ever dictated humans love for another.

[ThisIsMyOpinion]

@TruthBringer I already gave you my point. We are just walking around in circles now.

[Cataphract]

@thisismyopinion When you have your own kid you won't be able to pretend anymore. It is actually very simple biology. Everything is in service of procreation.

[ThisIsMyOpinion]

@Cataphract "Everything is in service of procreation." As if. That is true for irrational animals. Not for us. Specially now with the overpopulation. No one has kids for the sake of procriation.

[Cataphract]

@thisismyopinion It's cute that some people still think humans aren't animals. We are exactly the same as all other animals, fueled by the same basic needs. We can direct it to a point, bit we can not control it.

[ThisIsMyOpinion]

@Cataphract we are rational animals. And yes we can control it.
I'm fact there is not even a need to controll it. Many humans just don't want to have kids. Simply don't. Unlike other animals who all do.
So not only we can chose not to, some of us don't even feel the calling. Why? Because we know that we don't have or need that individual responsibility to ensure the specie survival. We are far from needing that individual responsibility to remain here.
People just have families for themselves. Not the human species.

[Cataphract]

@thisismyopinion This sounds like a self-destruct mekanism because of a faulty gene. Pleanty of examples with other animals too.

[TruthBringer]

@Cataphract Just nod along and let them talk their talk. You're already making the right decision and saving yourself from all the disrespect, headaches and pain in your life.

[ThisIsMyOpinion]

@Cataphract you are totally delusional. We couldn't be further from animals in many aspects. This is one of them.

[Cataphract]

@TruthBringer You have a point. Some people just have to be wrapped in a false sense of exceptionalism in order to not fall into depression.

[ThisIsMyOpinion]

@Cataphract if you have anything to say to me, you can be a man and say it to me.
And don't insult us both by denying that was for me and that you wanted me to see it.
If you don't know how much further we have come since we were living in caves you probably haven't evolved much yourself.

[Cataphract]

@thisismyopinion There is no point.

[ThisIsMyOpinion]

Agree.

[CasaNorba]

amen brother!

[CasaNorba]

@SuzuBrooke I'm sorry but if you were reckless enough to start a family with an abusive loser then that is your problem.

I agree with you on "people not being options." however more than 90% of women do not see it that way nowadays and their actions speaks louder than their speech

[Biancatsumi1991]

It's up to them if they want to date single moms. There's nothing wrong with it.

[Kiss_Me]

Nope. Single Moms are effectively out of my dating pool. Having a child and unmarried is a character reference I prefer to avoid.

[KyceG]

If they really like the woman and they are man enough to take on that responsibility and accept what comes with it then yes. I’m a single dad I talk to some girls who have no kids, there’s no difference.

[psychoticanimallover]

Dating a single mum isn’t much different to adopting a child. Some people just don’t care.

[OmNomaly]

Big thing for most guys I think. How did the relationship with the Father end. What were the biological aspects of the Father; Mentally abusive, physically abusive, criminal record. As well as if the Father of the child is still going to be involved in the kids life.

Much respect for the guys that can go around and pick up the pieces some jerk off parent left behind.

[TruthBringer]

Unfortunately, they are not the same. Let me explain: Most stepfathers get with single mothers because they want the woman, not the kids. If they could magically choose to get with her with or without her kids, I can guarantee you that most answers will be the latter. Men often go for single mothers because they cannot get themselves a childless woman and therefore have little options and need to compromise. "It's better to be with someone with kids than to be alone" is the mentality. So they are simply dealing with the fact they have to co-parent children not their own. Sure, there are exceptions to the rule, but it doesn't disprove the rule itself. And there is always a big posibility that the stepfather starts bonding with the kid (s) even though they arnen't his. So many ex-stepfathers HATED their stepchildren. And look back with regret to ever getting with the single mother.

Adoption truly comes from the heart. It's unconditional love. While getting with a single mother and being a stepfather is mostly conditional love. And therefore, they are not to be compared.

[Avicenna]

@TruthBringer: You are absolutely correct. It's simply not the same thing when a guy is a stepfather. And it's a lot of work for which there is usually little to no gratitude.

[CasaNorba]

there is a major difference actually. children under adoption have absolutely 0 contact with their biological parents, so raising a children in adoption has no consequences or attachments

[JCT666]

If a man with no children wants to resort to raising another man's kids, that's his choice. It certainly isn't a choice that I would make.

Aubrey Huff is right, though.

[M1k3y]

It's fully down to the man and what he's interested in. If he really likes the woman why should it matter

[Inexpensivefurniture]

I dont see why not. If you want kids and are compatible with someone who already has some, why shouldn't you pursue a relationship with them?

[BCA6010]

I don't care who pursues who. Does not affect me in the slightest.

[Anonymous]

In most cases the answer is no, because in most cases it should be a big red flag when a mother puts herself in a position where she is raising a child without its father, and I don't want anything to do with women like that.

[SuzuBrooke]

It could be a million and one thing's with nothing being wrong with the mother. So don't put it as should be a red flag but could. Either way if you love her then you've probably been with her long enough to figure out who she is since I sense your the type of person who's rather cautious. 'Women like that.' Eh, you are completely out of your mind if you think all cases are the same some might even be the father just suddenly up and leaving when things get serious there's a lot of that happening and it could happen with the opposite sex so I could honestly say the exact same for the opposite sex like you did as well with a single father should be a big red flag, that he put himself in that position because he loved the person but the other person was just in it for an non devoted relationship or one with someone who's personalities didn't match with his lover and that he put himself only in that situation. 'I don't want anything to do with' men 'like that.' Sounds sort of cynical what you said when I put it that way correct?

[Opinion Owner]

@SuzuBrooke Unless the single mother is widowed or was left by her husband, getting herself into that situation likely involved some irresponsibility or her part at a minimum, and possibly also some unattractive attitudes toward men and the role fathers should play in a child's life.

If you reread what I wrote you'll see I didn't say all cases, and that was intentional. I stand by everything I said because statistics show that most single mothers my age were not widowed or left by their husbands, so in most cases it is a red flag to me.

The reality here in the US today, where both you and I live, is that the circumstances of most single mothers are very different from those of most single fathers. Women have far more legal rights than men in the realm of reproduction and parenting, so in most cases when a man ends up as a single father it is a strong indication that the mothers was a major fuck-up and courts awarded the father sole custody. So aside from the issues involved in "inheriting" another person's children, the reality is that a single father raising children without a mother is not a red flag to nearly the same extent as a single mother.

I understand I'm making generalizations here and they are certainly not politically correct, but they are based on the realities of the world we live in and any man would be wise to give them serious consideration.

[SuzuBrooke]

Lol my dad bends the laws by not even giving any money for child support he doesn't do anything just trashy. Either way men usually have control of the relationship more. They both did it then they are both responsible nobody should judge loving somebody on that anyways but how they act. Red flags are good telltale signs but judging a person for a past mistake is not. Not everyone leaves huge red signs in a relationship. And not everyone says who they are. It's both equally at fault for the single dad as the single mom but you still got to agree they deserve love since their human like anyone else. And them chosing to be in a relationship with someone isn't being selfish they are just looking for love like anyone else and watching over their children in most cases. It's up to the guy or gal they are dating to chose if they are going to take care of them or not.

[Opinion Owner]

@SuzuBrooke "Either way men usually have control of the relationship more." Really, how so? I don't think that is usually the case but I'm interested to know why you see it that way.

Of course single mothers deserve love, but that doesn't mean men should feel obligated to date them. Men deserve to, and should, look out for their own best interests and should be wise about who they date.

Sorry your dad is trashy but your mother had a child with him. Nothing against your mother but I don't want to date a woman who has children with trashy men. That should require no explanation.

There are few scenarios in which I would date a single mother, and I think any guy who brings a lot to the table should feel the same way.

[Opinion Owner]

By the way, based on what you've told me here I don't respect your father either, and I don't condone his behavior.

If I had both sons and daughters I would not want my daughters dating men like your father, nor would I want my sons dating single mothers.

[KrakenAttackin]

No fucking way. Single mothers are a cancer, a toxin, a plague, a bunch of bad decisions and narcissistic choices who are now looking for a simp to pay for it all.

[TruthBringer]

So many snowflakes under this thread are oblivious to how dangerous single mothers can be towards a childless man's life. And when you try to educate them, they label you as the bad guy. Gotta love how naive and ignorant so many people are.

[KrakenAttackin]

@TruthBringer All true. Men who date single mothers will never be anything but walking wallets.

[TruthBringer]

anything better from*

[TheFlak38]

I've never understood why there are so many stupid men who date and marry single moms at all. If she has kids and is single she belongs to the streets. Single mothers are single by choice.

[Bananaman177]

It's true that most women give all their best years to the worst men they can find.

[Solstice777]

Fuck no! Why should we lower ourselves to that level?

[4eyes2mouths]

You're on the lowest level now dude. Lol

[ThisIsMyOpinion]

@solstice777 You are on the lowest leven if you think like that.

[Solstice777]

No you are beta males if you would date those pigs.

[spartan55]

Ahhh the ol alpha/beta bullshit... so stupid.

[Solstice777]

@spartan55 No it is a fact. If you take the leftovers and are happy with them you are a beta.

[spartan55]

@Solstice777
Whatever you say caveman.

[Solstice777]

@spartan55 You wanna date used up trash so if I am caveman you are not only a bottomfeeder but happy with being that way.

[spartan55]

Sure thing.

[4eyes2mouths]

@Solstice777 do you have a big enough dick to talk like that lmao? So alpha you jack off into your own mouth. 🤡🤡😂😂😂

[SuzuBrooke]

@solstice777 There's single dad's out there too. Single dads/mom's deserve love and respect like any person out there. Shows that you truly don't love or care. If you love a person then you take care of what they love. I would do that for the person I loved if he was a single father. It might not even be the single parent's mistake but their partners for leaving them.

[SuzuBrooke]

Also solstice you are old garbage. Don't forget your semen makes the babies too so basically if you were the one to get a woman pregnant you would be used up garbage too.

[TruthBringer]

@solstice777 Gotta love the SJWs and male feminists, eh? Just let them believe whatever. Just focus on dating women without kids and let them have the scraps

[ThisIsMyOpinion]

@solstice777 sure... why not call pigs to the parent that actually chose to stay and take care of the children both created? One took off one stayed. The one who started is the pig. Got it!
Dude you are a piece of shit.

[ThisIsMyOpinion]

Stayed*

[spartan55]

@TruthBringer
I am neither of those things, which shows ignorant and intolerant you are.

[TruthBringer]

@spartan55 And who said I was specifically pointing this to you? At the same time, I can't really call you mature for calling that guy a caveman. He may not be right to have used the term "pigs" on single mothers, but two wrongs don't make a right. Outside of what he called single mothers, I actually agree with him completely. And "Alpha/Beta" terms are not asm uch bullshit as you think. It all depends on how they get used, because often, people just toss these terms like they are nothing.

[spartan55]

@TruthBringer
So you weren't referring to me then?

[TruthBringer]

@spartan55 At the time writing my comment, no. Can't really call someone a SJW for not believing in "Alpha" en "Beta" terms

[spartan55]

@TruthBringer
Why not? It would be in line with how you so called men's men think.

[TruthBringer]

@spartan55 If you think that, then that says more about you than me.

[spartan55]

Sure thing. I'm done with you.

[TruthBringer]

@spartan55 Don't let the door hit you on the way out 👋

[spartan55]

Real original there, stupid Euro.

[TruthBringer]

@spartan55 Damn racist

[Solstice777]

@TruthBringer these guys are such losers bitching at me because I am too good for someone's leftovers.

[Solstice777]

@ThisIsMyOpinion No you are the piece of shit talking shit to someone over the internet because you choose to date used up pigs.

[ThisIsMyOpinion]

@solstice777 Again... Calling the parent who actually chose to take care of the child when the other just couldn't care less pigs does makes you a piece of shit. A very giant piece of shit. And I will tell this to my boss on his face if I know he shares you opinion.

[ThisIsMyOpinion]

@solstice777 dude you would not be too good for my dog to fuck let alone a regular human being.

[TruthBringer]

@solstice777 Damn right. Why the hell should I settle for leftovers when I have options and can easily get me a young and childless woman to start a family of my own. You won't see me invest my resources into furthering another man's genetic pool. I'll save all that for MY own children. You know what they say --> "Alpha fucks and beta bucks"

[TruthBringer]

@solstice777 You've gained a new follower, looking forward to see more of your comments

[TruthBringer]

@ThisIsMyOpinion Lovely how you ignore the racial slur other guy you've been teaming up with againt Solstice after insulting you aswel. But yeah, keep focussing on Solstice because he refuses to settle for another man's baggage

[ThisIsMyOpinion]

@TruthBringer When was he racist?

[TruthBringer]

@ThisIsMyOpinion He is referring to Europeans with "stupid Euro". What else does he mean? The currency? I don't think so.

[ThisIsMyOpinion]

@TruthBringer I believe that is xenophobia at most. I can also bet that it was directed at you. Like me insulting a black guy calling him n**. I am not racist, I just want to insult him.

[TruthBringer]

@ThisIsMyOpinion Well I see that as racism and an attack on the general.

[ThisIsMyOpinion]

@TruthBringer lets wait for him to tell us.

[TruthBringer]

@ThisIsMyOpinion I doubt he will respond. Afterall, isn't it funny how he didn't just "insult" my nationality (Dutch) rather than entire Europeans?

[ThisIsMyOpinion]

@TruthBringer I think he just wnated to insult you. And that was the first thing that came to his mind after he saw your profile.

[TruthBringer]

@ThisIsMyOpinion Yeah, quite sad. I'm a proud European. I have met several Americans who become Dutch citizens and they say life here is so much better lol

[ThisIsMyOpinion]

@TruthBringer I am a proud European too.

[ShortCircuit]

I think they should do what they want. Definitely not for me though.

[Dongtai]

I wouldn’t unless the father had life in prison or was dead. Too much room for drama.

[icecreamanmam]

It could be a mutual benefit. The key there is, date single moms. They don't have to agree to marry and inherit the stepkid. Lol.

[Maxilicious]

So if you like someone you decide not to after they say they have kids? Seems kinda shallow. If you really like someone kids, webbed feet, etc wouldn't matter.

[jasco]

I mean don't get me wrong i imagine a lot of single mothers actually look good but me personally it's not that i don't have options it's just i find her and her kids entertaining

[Dweezil]

No. If the woman has kids it means there is another man involved. I would want to be part of that sitution.

Also, the kids might resent another man other than their father being in their lives

[Dweezil]

*would NOT want to be part of that situation

[Don-__-Don]

There is no "should". That's a thing that a man can do if he wants to.

[supercutebutt]

Aubrey Huff is a tool. And a Trumptard.

[Aiko_E_Lara]

"Should"? I don't think we should but if i speak for myself, i can. But of course i need to know how she end up being single. I am not risking my life for it