Does a woman's "biological clock" really exist?

[aliali8]

I have been seeing a lot of commotion on here about women's biological clock about "not being able to have kids" once she reaches a certain age.

But the reality is, if a woman truly wanted children , she will have kids. It is my ultimate life goal to have children. If I remain unmarried by the time I am 34/35, I am going to have a child. I can build my own family. I just don't understand why women pressure themselves to get married so they can have children. And when you're pressured to get married: you close your eyes and marry some random dude , you're bound to be divorced in a matter of years.

why worry about not being able to have children when you're clearly fertile enough to have children?
Taking a look at our country's whopping 46% divorce rate, its marriage really necessary to having kids? Almost half of all

On the other hand, men won't ever have a chance of having children unless he gets the attention of a woman under 40. He would have to sit there and wait, as their looks fade and sperm quality deteriorates. Their chances of having kids decreases with age because nobody is physically attracted to an old man way past his prime. why would a young woman pick an old ugly old man if she can get a handsome young man?

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+1 y

The reason why I asked this question was not about "Can women have kids at 60?"

The reason why I asked this question is because I see a lot of these FERTILE 35 yr old women worrying about not being able to have kids. why the living fuck would you worry about not being able to have kids, IF YOU'RE STILL FERTILE?

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+1 y

Women never have to worry about not being able to have kids. We are baby machines. Sperm is not hard to get. Why would you worry about infertility or menopause?

Only men have to worry about never having kids since he has absolutely no control over when he finds the right person to marry.

[IronLady6354]

I just had a baby and I'm almost 41. It's very possible for women to biologically have kids in their early 40s or even mid 40s. However, it is a lot harder to get pregnant (also, my husband is a lot younger than me. Even though men can have kids at whatever age it is still easier to get pregnant from a younger guy so that probably did help).
I know there are people who have had terrible experiences in marriage. I had a horrible experience in my first marriage. I had to leave for the safety of me and my girls. However, there can also be amazing marriages. I'm in one right now. I've experienced both sides of the coin.
Also, the divorce statistics look different depending on how you break them down. 60% of first marriages work out. The thing that drags the overall marriage statistic down is that people are progressively more likely to get divorced with each consecutive divorce they get. Obviously that's not always the case. I got divorced and my marriage now is fantastic. However, its statistically more likely that a first marriage will work out and statistically less likely any marriage after that will work out.
Also, there is very hard evidence that kids are significantly more likely to do better in life if they have two parents. There are people who overcome that, but the numbers clearly aren't in their favor. I raised both my girls as a single mom for a very long time. However, one of the great parts of getting remarried is my girls have a father in their lives. I have been able to see a significant difference (for the better) as a result. Moreover, if I had sons and not daughters it would probably be even more so that way as I wouldn't be able to be a male role model that little boys need in their lives.

[aliali8]

thats true. my mom had me at 37 and gave birth to my bro at 40

[aliali8]

Women in 30s now having more babies than younger moms in US

www.cnbc.com/.../...s-than-younger-moms-in-us.html

[IronLady6354]

I think the number of kids women have at the end of their childbearing is actually very similar to what's it's been for a long time. The bigger difference is women are typically having them at an older age.

[Glacierspeed]

Some women it’s harder. Some not so much. Depends how fertile you are or ever was.

[IronLady6354]

I agree with what @glacierspeed said. Also, my husband is about 14 years younger than me so. As a result it was a lot easier for him to get me pregnant than if I'd been with a guy my age or older

"Molecular genetic studies have shown that the sperm of older men have far more mutations than those of younger men. Professor Dagan Wells, a leading fertility expert at Oxford University said that older women may find it easier to get pregnant with a younger man."

www.telegraph.co.uk/.../...hoose-young-lovers.html

[aliali8]

@Glacierspeed you be surprised. My mom gave birth to me at 37 and my brother at 40. I also have known some women who given birth in 40s too. You just never know

[lillianaustin]

how old is he , then?

[CurLyF]

Well I believe women's biological clock is totally real. My mom said she was actually convinced she never wanted kids and that's what she always told my dad. They were married for four years and happy, and says one day woke up and felt the uncontrollable need to have a baby. And she's been the most amazing mom to the three of us.
I really don't understand why some people feel the urgency to get married even though they are not entirely convinced they are with the right person. It's like to prevent them from being "stolen", I don't know and I don't get it.
I am convinced I want children, but not any time in the near future and like you said, I really don't need a husband, I can do it on my own as long as I have financial stability, but it would be a 100% more preferable to have a happy marriage first, I'm actually a very romantic person.
I think you are forgetting about adoption, men can also adopt or even consider surrogacy to have a baby themselves without a wife. There are so many options now days.

[aliali8]

you sound like a smart women. More women should be like you.

[aliali8]

Surrogacy is not for most men because most of them can not afford it. Don’t forget that. There are so many obstacles If a man Wants a child. Women have almost no obstacles

[CurLyF]

Thanks, you do as well, I'm glad there are at least some women like you :3
It's expensive not just for a man, for a woman or couple, it's very expensive. I don't like to think of women having it really easy because that would mean sleeping with a guy with the sole porpuse of getting pregnant, most likely without his consent and that lead to the girl later demanding child support or what not when he didn't wanted it in the first place, and it's not so easy for the guy to say "oh, well, I don't want nothing to do with it" I mean if he is decent he wouldn't be able to move on with his life knowing he's got a kid somewhere. At least if he's decent, granted rare but that's how everyone should be.
But if the guy doesn't care, then she should go for it. That's how it was for my aunt. Her clocked begun ti tick, she found a guy, got pregnant and raised her all by herself. My cousin is great, so respectful of women and is on his second masters degree. So go single motherhood!

[VanillaSalt]

I wish I could post a picture here for you about the requirements for adoption. They had an adoption drive a few Wells ago here. I met every point except one. They wouldn’t adopt to single parents. Also it’s extremely hard and expensive to adopt while women can go get knocked up by any doctor then settle out or court or get child support for years.

[VanillaSalt]

Also this comment really pissed me off like really posted me off. “If he’s decent he wouldn’t be able to move on with his life knowing he’s got a kid out there”. With the rate of abortion women have no fucking right what’s so ever complaining how men handle kids. Death penality should follow abortion.

At what point do men catch a break? Women control dating. Women control children. When control society and law. Men have absolutely no say in women’s affairs what so ever but women can indirectly control men through public shaming but when men do it it’s bad.

Tired of hearing about women’s rights. You already have majority of the power.

[aliali8]

@VanillaSalt you claim fathers love their kids more than moms. Yet the overwhelming majority of single parents are mothers. Do you understand why divorce courts favor women? Because its always men abandoning their wives and kids when things go bad. In order to make men stay for their kids, the courts had to make it tougher for a man to divorce.

Women abort because they know that the dad won't be there to support the baby. I've had sex with multiple guys I've been out on dates with, 4 out of every 5 of them , wouldn't use a condom. They think its the woman's responsibility to buy condoms.

[aliali8]

@VanillaSalt when mommy and daddy divorces, its always the mommy taking care of the children. When both mom and dad work full time jobs to support the family, its always mommy that does most of the housework and child care. Why wouldn't your ex wife deserve half of your assets if raising your children all by herself? she is raising your kids, working a full time job. While you have no responsivities other than go to go your 9-5 daily job. Come home to relax, enjoy a couple of beers in front of the tv.

[VanillaSalt]

I never said fathers loved their kids more... and courts favor women like you said so how can you say majority of single parents are women. Also what happened to women being strong single mothers and women bragging openly about being on their third abortion?

Also about these men... you chose them congrats.

[aliali8]

@VanillaSalt

"Also what happened to women being strong single mothers and women bragging openly about being on their third abortion?"

Single mothers are the result of men abandoning her and her baby. Frequently these single moms dont even get child support , because the father ran away, or he makes way too little money so he doesn't need to pay. Why is it that its always the woman taking care of the child while the man pays child support?
If you were an accidental pregnancy, there is a very high chance its your mother who would be taking care of you, not your father. So quit your fucking hate rants against single moms.

Generally guys do not take responsibility.
I have went on dates with guys who refused to wear condoms. He Insisted that we rely on the ineffective "pull out" method to prevent pregnancy. There was a time that I had a huge pregnancy scare because my date refuse to use a condom and rather used the pull out method.
Out of every 5 guys, there is 4 that would complain about using a condom.

So don't fucking come here and tell me that fathers should get the bigger end of the stick. Fathers would abandon their fucking kids if they can get away with it.

[VanillaSalt]

Your ignorant... again it’s the courts who decide... my step dad fought for me but my druggie alcoholic mother got me... if she’s working 40 hours and I’m working 40 hours we’re both covering finances. I’m the one that has to come out at 2am and see what that sound was... also I paid for the dates I paid for my life that drew you too me. I fix shit at the house. I do the yard work. I probably bought the fucking house. I gotta live according to your fucking rules don’t cheat don’t go out with the boys don’t don’t don’t do do do. Which gender had 80% of home purchases? If we’re both working the same that’s 30% of my money even if your paying all yours... and you choose what gets bought... such fucking stupid bias. Fuck alimony no women deserves alimony anymore!

[aliali8]

@VanillaSalt you're only talking about the 6% of all cases. 94% of the time, it is the fathers abandoning the mothers and the babies.

[VanillaSalt]

Single moms got o. Their dating profiles stupid shit like my kids come first. They have the option to choose an okay man to fill in as daddy but choose to be bitches about it. If you kids come first and you work 60 hours a week where my time? Again you chose these men here’s a fucking tip... keep your legs shut. Or if you just can't help it tell them no glove no love and make em leave. But your too busy dreaming your entitlements to the moon. Again stop putting words in my mouth. I said when the hell do men get theirs we have to cover for women in every way shape and form so when is it our time?

You ain’t gonna put your lies and victimhood onto me. I’ve never abused my girls. I’ve been courteous and helpful. I work hard and I deserve respect. Yet I’m the one shit on every time 3/3 relationships cheating whores the group of them. Don’t come to me about your bullshit I’m tired of it. It’s time I got what I want. And ide never abandon my kids but ide abandon a bitchy woman like you without a second thought. Nothing but an entitled crybaby that can’t say no to a good dick.

[aliali8]

@VanillaSalt If you don't want to date single moms, then don't date single moms. There are MANY other men out there who are willing to date single moms.

But you DO have to worry about nobody wanting to date you. Because as you have mentioned in another question, you're so ugly that you can't even manage to get a woman after 2 years on a dating app.

[VanillaSalt]

Is English your second language? Are you reading deficient or something? You’ve successfully twisted my words 3 times now. I’m not sure you have any reading and comprehension skills what so ever. Don’t worry about it I’m confident one day you’ll find someone to keep you entertained long enough you don’t have to stalk random strangers on a q&a board.

[Apope16]

Yes. Dating a 30 year old woman is intense. Desperate. By 35 most woman are so scared of not having children and gaining weight that they are angry and bitter?

[aliali8]

Why should a fertile 35 be worried about not being fertile enough to have a child IF SHE IS STILL FERTILE?

Just take a look at the idiocy

[Apope16]

I have dated a lot of women. The risk of pregnancy increases at 35 and older. Most of my friends and relationships are with women. They personally tell me about the biological clock. They tell me they worry about fertility. Just because you feel threatened doesn't mean you need to be that harsh.

Its funny. I went to a bar once. I was probably 26 years old. I chatted up to women. They told me their friend was crying and it was her birthday. THeir pretty friend (so hot) came to the table and I asked why she was crying. She said to me, "Im 30 years old! My eggs are dying!"

Without missing a beat I told her "Well... you look fertile." Everyone got silent. Then we all broke out laughing. The woman actually bought me a beer.

[aliali8]

Why would I feel threatened? It is my life goal to have kids. If I don’t end up getting married , I can always have a child.

Why would you assume women have any valid reason to feel threatened? A woman would have kids if she truly wanted them.

If she doesn’t have kids by 40, you can assume she didn’t want them

[aliali8]

A 30 yr old woman is far from being unable to give birth. My mother had me at 37 and my brother at 40.

[Apope16]

A woman feels threatened by a man who speaks the truth because the truth can sometimes hurt her feelings. She feels threatened because the truth angers her and this anger is projected from the insecurity and fears that she has about herself someday.

For example. At 30 a woman can sense the biological clock because her metabolism slows down. At age 30 she knows that she is more likely to gain weight and possibly get chubby or fat. This makes it less likely for her to find a hot or high value man to have babies with and marry.

A woman at age 30 knows that the older she gets the more likely it is that her child will be born with birth defects like autism or down syndrome or something else. That is why there is a biological clock. Not necessarily based on capability.

Now you said "I dont have to get married to have a child". That is also a dangerous thing to say. What you are saying is you will intentionally have unprotected sex with a man to manipulate and use him to have a child out of wedlock and maybe force him into childcare payments or blackmail him emotionally into marriage. This is a normal thing for women to say but they dont even realize that what they are really intending is manipulation and blackmail and basically using men by seducing them and denying their child a right to be born into a stable household of 2 parents.

[aliali8]

Uhhh... I am not threatened at all. This question is just a good response to the misogynists on here who like to mock older women on here. Being a woman offers advantages that men don’t have too.
A mans likelihood of having kids decreases with age too, as younger women don’t tend to find white hairs , Weight gain, balding heads , sagginess or erectile dysfunction to be attractive either.

And honestly for all the crap that you have mentioned about older women. What makes you think you won’t gain weight as you get older? What makes you think your sperm quality doesn’t go down as you get older? What makes you think men don’t lose hair as they get older?

You’re always complaining about older women, I don’t ever see you complaining about older men. You don’t think this shit applies to you too?

[Apope16]

I would say I agree with most of the points that you just said. But here is the problem and it highlights a difference between men and women.

Women look at resource and status gain when choosing who to marry and have children with. Men look at breasts and butt and looks. These physical aspects of a woman are really a biological mirror of fertility. Slim waste, wide hips, supple lips, large perky (not saggy) breasts, etc.

As women get older they reduce in sexual market place value and their value in the dating market for marriage. Why? Because men choose a mate primarily based on physical appearance and characteristics first when they are swiping on an app or after a first date. Not other factors as much.

Men GAIN in attractiveness when they get older because even though his balls are sagging and he is getting older etc etc. Women are looking for resources for a potential family. So a man's wealth increases with age. His career pension and status too. Thats what makes him attractive. The 35 year old woman wants to fuck the 20 year old pool boy on the side and then marry the 50 year old business executive.

Does that make sense?

As for me? I am 33 years old. I feel the biological clock because I want to marry while my grandparents are still alive and I dont want to be an old father. I am attracted to younger women for sex but I am dating actually girls my age.

[aliali8]

Ohhh really? men get more attractive as they get older. So why does research and statistics show that women are marrying men only 3 years older than them?

www.psychologytoday.com/.../what-we-know-about-age-gaps-in-dating-love-and-marriage

Empirical evidence has also accumulated in support of women's preferences for older men, and as you might expect, the data often overlap with those data supporting men's preferences. As this sample of Conway-Beam and Buss's (2019) review suggests:

Cross-culturally, women report wanting partners who are (on average) 3.5 years older than them.
In online dating, women make the first contact with older men at a greater than rate they do younger men.
Marriage records show that women are marrying men who are older than they are by about 3 years."

[aliali8]

As you can see, statically most married couples are between 1-4 years apart.

www.google.com/search

For me personally, I like older guys. But I only date guys that are 2-6 years older. I'm really not interested in guys that are 12-16 years older.

young women aren't attracted to old guys either. If you don't like white hairs, wrinkles , balding heads, dull skin, then what makes you think women would find them attractive?

Hot young men attract wives, that old men pay for wives.

[aliali8]

And lastly, no young woman would want to have a baby with some random dude on a one night stand. Generally, women in her 20s have no interest in having kids, especially with someone who is not willing to marry her.

[Apope16]

I love how All guys like my post here and all girls thumbed it down.

Guys looking for women on dating apps etc know that I speak the truth. Women who are reading these comments on the website who want to get guy are bitter, angry, and offended because they fear the truth of my comments. So they thumb it down. But trust me. If I did a poll on GAG asking whether a woman age 35 or older was best for "friends with benefits" or "Marriage Material"... what do you think 80% of guys would say? That is the biological imperative. Sexual and dating market place value. I speak truth.

[aliali8]

haha why do you think about all the upset, angry men on here who hate my question. Just take a look at the answers from all the other men on here. They hate me and this question. Have a fun time reading!

[aliali8]

What makes you think most young women are interested in old men over 35? 35 is when a man leaves his prime. Weight gain , white hairs, balding heads are really common in men over 35

[aliali8]

Babies Born to Older Dads May Have a Higher Risk of Health Problems, Study Says

time.com/5438882/paternal-age-health-problems/

[ManHater]

Please aliali8 don't contaminate the rest of humanity by thinking you can raise a child as a single mother. Raise a proper child, get a job, get married, buy a house then have kids. Don't have kids and work at walmart it's end well.

[aliali8]

@ManHater what makes you think i would pick a shallow, perverted, misogynistic man for a husband? If men on GAG represented all men on earth, I would very much be happy to raise my child all on my own rather than to face a sick bastard for a husband.

[aliali8]

@ManHater And what makes you think that all women work at walmart? women hold careers just like men do. There are tons of professional women out there. This is why women should always focus on her education and make the most money so she won't have to settle for a shitty husband just to raise kids. She can divorce whenever she is unhappy.

[OlderAndWiser]

Yes, but it's not really a clock.

[Screenwriter]

Well there are handsome older men, George Clooney was over 50 when he married a woman who I think was right at 40. Sperm quality doesn't start to decline until men are past 45 and it seems that it hold up pretty well if a man can DEPOSIT it!!! My dad and his sister were conceived by a father who was 62 and 64. My grandmother was 31 and 33 when she had them. I was 39 when I birthed my mentally retarded 25 year old. I kid. He is fine, most of the time except when stupid words come out of his mouth. but he IS still a very young man. We must be patient with him!!! ha ha!
I wouldn't be in a rush to have a child on my own. It's a HUGE step and with only one person an exhausting experience. I was married 12 years before we had our son. You CAN get married and NOT have a child right away, but enjoy each other for a time. I've never understood why people have children so quickly when they're young. I think it's better to have a little wisdom and patience and money. That certainly greased the wheels for us.
marriage isn't NECESSARY... but some kind of domestic partnership is preferable... You can be committed to the other person and to rearing your children together without marriage. But I would not choose to have a child or children alone. You need help from your parents, child care givers, friends, babysitters. It takes a village... If you attempt to do this without those safety nets, you will be stressed and unhappy. I was very lucky and DID have Grandparents, parents, child care givers, baby sitters. I didn't have close friends nearby, but that wouldve been nice. However those four things were great. Gave me time to take care of myself, as well as the energy to take care of my son.
Don't rush or have some set age/year or cutoff date.
The biological clock is in people's heads. I almost DID NOT have my son. But I saw how successful a friend was with childbearing and rearing and said if she could do it, I can too. Two years later, I had my son.
There are many factors that will influence you. Weigh them all.

[aliali8]

According to a stanford study, Men's sperm quality decreases after 35

www.newscientist.com/.../

[aliali8]

Scientists warn that biological clock affects male fertility
· Deteriorating sperm is key factor from mid-30s on
· Delaying fatherhood linked to miscarriages

www.theguardian.com/.../health.children

[Screenwriter]

And I read ANOTHER study that said 45. You can find a million different studies. Egg quality declines after 30 too! Doesn't mean your percentage chance of having a perfectly healthy baby isn't extremely high. And there are tests to find out if your child has a host of common diseases such as Down's. I took chorionic villi sampling test for precisely that issue. But at 39, I only had a 7 percent chance of a Down's child. At 45, those chances ramp up.
Stop being a catastrophic worrier.
Even a YOUNG woman has a 20 percent chance of SOMETHING going wrong during her pregnancy.
There are random diseases that aren't inherited. Children born healthy get childhood leukemias. There are a host of things that COULD happen.
The majority of people have healthy children with women into their mid forties, especially if they've had children earlier in life, and men into their 60s.
The odds are in your favor and there are many tests to determine if your child is healthy. If you're older, take the tests and get peace of mind.
Have your child and children when you have a partner and the two of your are ready. Maybe that will be later in your life than is IDEAL. But it will probably turn out perfectly well, as my son did. The human body is amazing; it's made to reproduce and reproduce well.
Stop worrying and don't panic: Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy.

[aliali8]

yea well every year that a man ages, his sperm quality decreases. Its always better to have a 35 yr old husband than a 45 yr old husband. I wouldn't take such chances with my own precious child.

[Screenwriter]

Again, you are catatrophizing! These are NOT black and white issues. There is no perfect person. Maybe he's 35 and he has Parkinson's and doesn't know it and gives it to your "precious child." Maybe he's 25 and has Hodgkin's run in his family. You can have every test run in the books and some random dna messup causes something ELSE to go wrong with your offspring. There is NO GUARANTEE.
And suppose you fall in love with someone older who is perfect for you? Or someone who MIGHT have some illness that MIGHT be passed along or MIGHT NOT BE? The odds are ALWAYS in your favor if you're both younger. But that might not happen. It didn't happen for me, yet I had a perfectly healthy child with no major illnesses and all his parts in place.. A completely normal and easy pregnancy with my OLD EGGS.
I'm not saying find a 70 year old when you're 40... That's pushing the envelope. But worrying about such things when you're a healthy 36 and he's a healthy 40 is a waste of time. If you're both hacking and in wheelchairs, OK, you've got something to worry about.
make sure you have a clean bill of health to start. Take tests and find out your family's history of illnesses. That's the most you can do for your future children. Sweating every detail isn't productive. Good luck.

[VanillaSalt]

Women a biological clock. A 40-50 year old woman will not have the same value as a 20-30 year old woman. Look at older men now already dating women 10 20 years their younger. Is that god man you want going to pick you at 40 with sagging boobs and wrinkles and kids or the hot 22 year old with no kids? Sad fact of life is hot women don’t date ugly men and men that have a choice will pick the newer hotter model with fewer life miles.


The second way women’s biological clocks running out is the window to have children. Sure at 40s and 50s you can have kids but... How do you know you’ll be able to find a man worthy of being your partner? Who’s to say he’ll want kids? Who’s to say he can have kids? Many men at that age have had vasectomies. Also what if you’re the problem? My brother and his wife have been trying for more than 5 years to have their 2nd child and she breaks down crying because they can’t... Their only late 20s.


Why do you want kids anyway? This is important for the next part of my question. Studies say a huge majority of crimes especially violent crimes are committed by people who had single parent families. These children grow up on average less intelligent, more impoverished, more violent, and more prone to suicide. If you want the best for your child you would support the best environment for them to flourish even at the cost of your happiness. Or is self sacrifice a quality only desirable in men?


I am terribly bothered by women’s inability to admit their own privilege. When I point out women’s privilege they always tell me women are more likely to be raped. My response yeah and men are more likely to commit suicide or go to jail, what’s your point? What if this will situation of women outside the home and single parenthood being a great heroism is the cause of all this pain and suffering? After all like I said it’s kids that had single parents out troubled childhoods that overwhelmingly commit these crimes.


Also one late thing. There was an adoption drive near me recently. I met all their requirements except one. Two parents required. But women can go out one night and have a child and probably get child support in raising it?

[VanillaSalt]

Sigh another downvote without a word... whatever you probably had nothing intelligent to say anyways

[aliali8]

I don’t think you understood the point of me asking this question. My question wasn’t whether or not women can still have kids at 60.

The question is: “

do women really have a biological clock pressuring them to worry about infertility?”

Because Why would a fertile 35 yr olds complain and being worried for being too infertile to have kids, when she is still FERTILE?

[aliali8]

And no, both parents are not needed to raise a child. When your divorce rates are 46%, its not uncommon for a child to be raised by a single mom, while only seeing dad once a month. The average kid only sees dad , once a month, ruled by court order. Just because you got married, it really doesn't mean that the kids will have both mommy and daddy.

[VanillaSalt]

I’m tired of your copy paste bullshit I’m blocking you

[meetkitty123]

Women certainly do have a biological clock. Once menopause hits that is it for us... Unless we froze our eggs when we were younger and have a surrogate carry our baby... Expensive but it can be done.
My mom had natural conception at the age of 42 and a few of my cousins have had children past their 40s as well. One had her first at 43 and a second at 45.
The children were lucky to be born healthy and without special needs.
I myself have been discussing with my husband about having another child at my age. I would need a donor as my husband is clipped.
Now this said I am still considering having a child even though my husband's much older than me and I know I'll end up most likely raising the children on my own.
This is something I had decided for myself even 8years ago before I married. I knew I might want another child and I decided regardless of whether I was married or not in the near future I was going to have one even if I was a single parent. I know I'm perfectly capable woman and I can raise a child solo. Plus I have a good family structure. My father and brothers are very much involved in my current children's lives and they are capable of filling that male role model slot for my children.
The truth is as we age we do have the concern of birth defects or special needs risk hovering over us regardless of what sex we are.
As far as a man vs a woman in the aging sense we both have our challenges as we get older.
A man can impregnate a woman at any age but women can't get pregnant after menopause. However just like women can freeze their eggs a man can freeze his sperm and therefore have a chance to impregnate a significant other or of course use a surrogate. Again its expensive but even older men still have options.
It is the changes and advances in science that gives us a better chance of conceiving regardless of age or gender.
I believe you are correct in the sense we women are now able to have children later and we do not have to marry to do so.
However There is no need to put men down to prove your point. Older men are still capable of being loved and wanted by women.
My man is over 40 years older than me.
The truth to be held in this post is age should never hold us back. We have options regardless of our age or gender. There is always hope for love or for creating a family. The beautiful thing is we no longer have to be traditional about it.

[Guardian45]

Well-said

[aliali8]

You're gonna have a child with a 73 yr old. You basically just don't care for your child's well being. Out of all the men that you can get, why would you make a baby with 73 yr old sperm? If anything happens to that child, wouldn't you feel guilty for the outcome?

This is not to make you feel bad. But we are just talking about reality here.

[meetkitty123]

I said a donor not my husband.

[0112358]

Uh, yes, absolutely. You pointing out you can have kids on your own at 35 isn't an argument there isn't one, it's an argument that you don't need to get married to beat your biological clock.

You're quite right that men won't have a chance of having children unless they get the attention of a woman under 40. That's true of men both below and above 40. It's also true that men's fertility declines. Your assumption seems to be that it's very hard for older men to find younger women to marry - that depends very heavily on the man's income. For men with a solid income, it's probably easier to find a woman to marry at 45 then it would have been at 25. For a man with a shitty income, it's probably hard either way.

That said i personally know one woman who married and had her first child in her late 40s, and i know a man who was married without kids, divorced and remarried at around 50 (to a woman in her mid 30s) and had several kids. But i also know plenty of couples who struggle to have kids.

When you compare the social pressure, it's really only materially different in a fairly small age range... lets say 35 to 45. For a woman who is in a relationship and around 35, starting a family now versus in 5 years is hugely different. For a man in that age range, there's not much difference. 40 year old men's ability to date 34 year old women is not much different from 35 year old men's ability to do so.

There's also perhaps psychologically a big difference between 'i can't have kids' and 'i probably won't have kids'. I have a few male relatives who are in their early 50s, no kids, and they probably won't have them. But there was never any point where they had a window where it was easy and then about to close.

For what it's worth of course, i believe a higher percent of women have kids then men. Historically it was even higher. TOns of men die without kids, because the most successful men are likely to have kids with a bunch of women.

[aliali8]

"Your assumption seems to be that it's very hard for older men to find younger women to marry - that depends very heavily on the man's income. For men with a solid income, it's probably easier to find a woman to marry at 45 then it would have been at 25. For a man with a shitty income, it's probably hard either way."

this is just a lie to make old aging single men to feel better. Because reality is, overwhelming majority of men would never make enough money in their entire lives to get a woman 15-20 years younger. Unless you are a millionaire or have high net worth, you're not gonna get a young woman as a 45 yr old man.

Most young women nowadays have college education and careers. We make our own money and can support ourselves fairly well. We do not need to marry for money. And quite honestly, most men do not even have the money that we are looking for cuz most guys are not rich.

Women grow financially stable as they enter their 30s too, just like men.

These are facts that nobody likes to talk about.

[0112358]

Most people don't have a college education. That's the fact. Men or women.

I'm really not sure what it is you're trying to argue, since your entire argument seems to be 'women's biological clock is real but it's not a marriage clock we can just have kids solo'. ok, sure. That's extremely uncommon - while plenty of young or uneducated women have kids that they are the sole head of the household, educated women with careers almost never do this. In fact, educated women with careers are extremely likely to marry educated men with careers and pour the resources into pushing their children into paths that give them even greater future potential. Could lots of women do what you suggest? In theory, sure, i think government would be quite happy to see it honestly.

Your other argument seems to be 'men also have a biological clock in fact an even stronger one!'. That argument is very weak, because while men are challenged in getting wives, the biggest challenge men face is around being able to financially contribute enough to be worth marrying. Men with good incomes marry easily even in old age, men with low incomes struggle to marry regardless of age. If your argument is that this is a bigger barrier to men, sure. It just doesn't slam into focus at age 37. From what i hear from men around me, i'd say it's more men who haven't settled down by late 40s or 50ish who conclude they'll likely never have kids. single guys age 39 are more likely to say 'i hope not'.

[aliali8]

If you're a 45 yr old guy, still single, no wife in sight. You're most likely gonna have to settle for a 35 yr old woman that you do not really love just so you can have kids. Because no young woman under the age of 35 is gonna find an old 45 yr old man to be attractive. Nobody likes old.

[aliali8]

Well research and statistics have proven that women only like men that are 3.5 years older than them, on average.

www.psychologytoday.com/.../what-we-know-about-age-gaps-in-dating-love-and-marriage

Empirical evidence has also accumulated in support of women's preferences for older men, and as you might expect, the data often overlap with those data supporting men's preferences. As this sample of Conway-Beam and Buss's (2019) review suggests:

Cross-culturally, women report wanting partners who are (on average) 3.5 years older than them.
In online dating, women make the first contact with older men at a greater than rate they do younger men.
Marriage records show that women are marrying men who are older than they are by about 3 years.

[aliali8]

so if all women liked "old men with stable incomes" , as if all women were broke bitches. Then why do women show a high preference for men who are around their age?

Things old men say to make themselves feel better about being undesirable to women. haha

[0112358]

The gap wides with age.

For reference, this isn't about me, i already have 3 kids and a vasectomy, thanks.

[aliali8]

www.google.com/search

[aliali8]

yea but you are ignoring the fact most couples ARE around similar ages of around 10 years.

so why are you spewing that women like men that are 15 -30 years older? obviously women do not like men who are too old. so I don't know what ur talking about.

[0112358]

I don't think i ever said women prefer that? The only thing i've said is that it's easier for a 40 something male with a good job to find a 32 year old wife then a 35 year old guy who is unemployed or precariously working.

But if you want to just argue that 'men who don't have kids by late 40s probably never will' we're in agreement. If you are then asking 'why aren't men who approach 40 pressured like women are', i think it's - as i said - that if a man around 40 isn't married and wants to be, the problem is most likely that he needs to get his life in order, as opposed to needing to pick a partner. People do certainly give plenty of shit to men that age who haven't 'settled down'. They may be told to 'settle down and get married', but for men, those are often separate steps. By contrast, a 35 year old woman isn't told to quickly get a steadier career so she can get a husband.

[aliali8]

Why Do Women in Their 30s Not Want to Date Men in Their 40s?

www.evanmarckatz.com/.../why-do-women-in-their-30s-not-want-to-date-men-in-their-40s

what makes you think there are tons of women in their 30s dying to date a man in his 40s?
Most women in their 30s are NOT INTERESTED in marrying a man in his 40s.
Because when you're over 40, you look like crap. You're seen as past your prime.

A woman in her 30s would only SETTLE for a man in his 40s, when she absolutely find anyone else who is younger and more handsome.

[aliali8]

and plus, most women in their 30s ARE FINANCIALLY STABLE. So don't go around saying that all women are broke bitches who struggle to support themselves so they all need to marry a man to support them.

[aliali8]

type error:

A woman in her 30s would only SETTLE for a man in his 40s, when she absolutely cannot**** find anyone else who is younger and more handsome.

[Teenybop]

I don’t think there is anything wrong with loving a 35 year old woman. They are just as valuable as men.

[aliali8]

@Teenybop 35 is usually the age where a man's looks starts fading drastically. Very few men that age can still manage to look hot.

[Teenybop]

Tbh most of the women look better than the men that age. I think women take better care of themselves though.
May be why we live longer.

[Anonymous]

Women don't marry men because of children, it's not even money in most cases. Girls want a partner who increases their ego, some on with high social status or at least a presentable guy other girls want to have. Some women love their men but a lot doesn't do. It's not always cheating that destroys a relationship/marriage but the fact their partner loses his attractiveness due balding or getting fat or due losing a job that gave him high social status. Sometimes it's just losing of imagination that made women see someone in their partner who the person never has been.
That's why most guys are so pissed about women, because they don't leave men when they have their best times but in worst ones. And most women reject the reality that their butt isn't like a noble bottle of wine that gains quality over time, however they see it on their partners.
Yes, the biological clock ticks for everyone. Maybe you convince yourself in your personal self-delusion that aging doesn't affect your body and ability to have children. I assure you it does.

[btbc92]

No. Because everybody is different. There are women much older and still have their period. Girls can stop as young as 17. It is not what people say it is. God is in control. He allows what he allows. You can be the fittest and healthiest person in the world. If God wants to shut your womb, he will. If God wants to make a man's sperm useless, he will. God is in control. And people are forgetting that. Some people if not most don't need children. There is a biological clock for women, as it is for men. Men just last longer unless health problems which come naturally with age.

[Chriscunning]

Problem is as woman age it's gets harder to fall pregnant and your chances of having miscarriages and issues with your baby start to go up (eg. if I remember correctly having chromosome issues increases 4x). Men are less effected but they to have age related decline in quality and quantity. Problem is men have millions of sperms, woman only have 1 or 2 eggs.

As with most things if you a fit and healthy 40 year old you could probably compare yourself to a unfit 30 year old. But as you age, ovulation becomes harder and the quality of your eggs declines. If you go to a fertility clinic they could tell you how good your eggs are. But that's why even if you 50 and go to a fertility clinic they can't help, because your eggs are unusable.

It's by no means impossible, but it gets exponentially harder.

[aliali8]

According to a stanford study, Men's sperm quality decreases after 35

www.theguardian.com/.../health.children

Scientists warn that biological clock affects male fertility
· Deteriorating sperm is key factor from mid-30s on
· Delaying fatherhood linked to miscarriages

www.newscientist.com/.../

Paternal age is affected by genetic abnormalities, perinatal complications and mental health of the offspring

www.spandidos-publications.com/.../br.2019.1266

[aliali8]

Women don't have to worry about having kids too late because she can pick if she wants to have kids EARLY OR LATE. She can opt to have kids at 32 or 39. On the other hand, men don't have any control over when he has kids. It would depend on when he gets married.

And if he is unmarried by 45+ he would be the one who will worry about his sperm quality deteriorating by the year.

[aliali8]

New research indicates that the genetic quality of sperm worsens as men get older, increasing a man's risk of being infertile, fathering unsuccessful pregnancies and passing along dwarfism and possibly other genetic diseases to his children.

www.sciencedaily.com/.../060606091933.htm

[Chriscunning]

Look agreed male sperm quality gets worse. But let me put it into a different perspective. The average male has about 50 million sperm cells per ml of sperm. It is considered low if it's below 35 million (i. e. at a fertility clinic they do IUI) and extremely low at below 15 million (You need IVF).

Male sperm quality declines by 0.2 to 0.9% year on year. This is also more predominate after 45 years of age. So an average male from 20 to 50 years old would go from 50 million sperm to 38 million sperm. Still enough to get a woman pregnant. If you start to use fertility then your chances go up.

Were as being a woman, she doesn't have 38 million cells to pick and choose from. There is only 1.

[aliali8]

The reason why I asked this question was not about "Can women have kids at 60?"

The reason why I asked this question is because I see a lot of these FERTILE 35 yr old women worrying about not being able to have kids. why the living fuck would you worry about not being able to have kids, IF YOU'RE STILL FERTILE?

Women never have to worry about not being able to have kids. We are baby machines. Sperm is not hard to get. Why would you worry about infertility or menopause?

Only men have to worry about never having kids since he has absolutely no control over when he finds the right person to marry.

[aliali8]

here it also says that men make up 30-40% of infertility cases. So this means there are quite a lot of men out there who are INFERTILE.

When it comes to infertility, women get a lot of the blame. But the truth is, male fertility decline is a factor in 30–40% of infertility cases. What causes male fertility decline?

extendfertility.com/male-fertility-decline/

[Chriscunning]

Well that's why my answer was "it's gets harder as you age". You can still have kids at 60, it's just much more difficult.

There is also a lot of factors that go into fertility. But in general woman do have a biological clock. Just with modern fertility it helps delay it a bit.

Some people are infertile at 25 others at 85. Really your luck of the draw. But generally you still fertile at 40, but your chances of having problems goes up. It's all about chance. It's not a straight yes or no answer.

[aliali8]

You're not responding to my question. My question was: why would a biological clock matter if women can choose to already have children by 40? Do you really think I would care about being infertile at 40, if I already have 2 kids? It is my life goal to have kids. If I want kids, i can have them.

[Chriscunning]

Your chance of falling pregnant, for a woman, at age 40 is 5% in a normal cycle. So I don't think it's a matter of choice anymore. It's a matter of science and luck. I am not sure if that is answering your question?

[Chriscunning]

www.reproductivefacts.org/.../

According to this, most woman in their mid 40's can no longer fall pregnant.

[aliali8]

I never said I would have kids at 40. I said I was gonna have two, 3-5 yr old kids by the age of 40.

And by the way, My mother birthed my brother at age 40. She birthed me at 37. We both turned out fine.

[aliali8]

As a man ages, the less likely he's gonna have kids. Because there's no reason why a young woman would pick an old ugly guy who is too old for her over a young handsome guy who she is around her age.

Empirical evidence has also accumulated in support of women's preferences for older men, and as you might expect, the data often overlap with those data supporting men's preferences. As this sample of Conway-Beam and Buss's (2019) review suggests:

Cross-culturally, women report wanting partners who are (on average) 3.5 years older than them.
In online dating, women make the first contact with older men at a greater than rate they do younger men.
Marriage records show that women are marrying men who are older than they are by about 3 years.

www.google.com/.../what-we-know-about-age-gaps-in-dating-love-and-marriage%3famp

[Chriscunning]

Well either way I guess I answered your question. "Yes, woman do have a biological clock".

[aliali8]

Even women in their 30s don't want to date guys in their 40s.

Why Do Women in Their 30s Not Want to Date Men in Their 40s?

www.evanmarckatz.com/.../why-do-women-in-their-30s-not-want-to-date-men-in-their-40s

A woman in her 30s will only go for a guy in his 40s , if she can't get anyone younger or better.

[aliali8]

Sorry that link doesn't work

This one works

www.evanmarckatz.com/.../why-do-women-in-their-30s-not-want-to-date-men-in-their-40s

[aliali8]

[Well either way I guess I answered your question. "Yes, woman do have a biological clock".]

Women don't have a biological clock to worry about because a woman is always guaranteed kids in her life. I'm not worried about not having a family by 40. Not worried about my "biological clock " too

[Chriscunning]

Woman are not guaranteed kids. I think you should've rather done a "my take" instead of asking a question. You clearly don't like thinking you have a time limit on falling pregnant.

Dating has nothing to do with fertility.

[aliali8]

you sound jealous.

[Chriscunning]

What am I jealous of exactly?

[aliali8]

Because women don't have to worry about biological clock. Women are guaranteed kids in life, if she wants them. On the other hand, men have to worry about biological clock due to his sperm quality deteriorating while he's still wondering when he will find the right woman to marry.

[Chriscunning]

OMG, you clearly delusional. Okay, woman don't have a biological clock. They can have kids at 90 years old.

[aliali8]

I don’t think you understood the point of me asking this question. My question wasn’t whether or not women can still have kids at 60.

The question is: “

do women really have a biological clock pressuring them to worry about infertility?”

Because Why would a fertile 35 yr olds complain and being worried for being too infertile to have kids, when she is still FERTILE?

[jshm2]

Yes. You're also deluded as to how it all works.

Most female fertility starts dropping around 30 - that's when the "clock" starts. Some go for freezing their eggs, but this only has a 33% success rate if they decide to later have kids. Male fertility doesn't start dropping until around 50 and even that depends on his lifestyle.

Then you have the whole debate about family and best for the child. Do you really think many men are out looking for 30+ year olds? Or your teen kid is going to happy looking after his 50 year old mother because she decided to have kids late? The kid is going to fucking hate you for burdening them this way.

Of course it's not as simple as this either. But you really need to pull yourself up, deary.

[aliali8]

do you really think a 25 yr old woman is gonna go for a 40+ man?
Just because you want to date a 25 yr old, it doesn't mean she wants you back.
Because men in their 40s look like crap. Balding, white hairs, weight gain, sagginess, wrinkles , dull skin, sperm quality deteriorating.
If you dont find that attractive on women, what makes you think we find that attractive on men?

And women do not need to freeze their eggs. I won't need to freeze mine. Because I would already have a child by 40. why do i need to freeze?

[aliali8]

As a woman, I can have kids by the time I am 40, regardless if I get married or not.

Men can't have kids by the time he's 40, unless he's married. After 40, he is past his prime, his looks fading. White hairs growing, balding heads, gaining weight, sagginess, wrinkles, dull skin. No young woman would be attracted to him so his chances of having children growing slimmer every yr that he gets older.

Even women in their 30s don't want to date guys in their 40s.

Why Do Women in Their 30s Not Want to Date Men in Their 40s?

www.evanmarckatz.com/.../why-do-women-in-their-30s-not-want-to-date-men-in-their-40s

A woman in her 30s will only go for a guy in his 40s , if she can't get anyone younger or better.

[aliali8]

what makes you think that young women want old men? Statistics show that women only like to marry guys 3 years older than them, not 13 years older.

I think you’re butt hurt. Because the average age gap is just 3 years.

Empirical evidence has also accumulated in support of women's preferences for older men, and as you might expect, the data often overlap with those data supporting men's preferences. As this sample of Conway-Beam and Buss's (2019) review suggests:

Cross-culturally, women report wanting partners who are (on average) 3.5 years older than them.
In online dating, women make the first contact with older men at a greater than rate they do younger men.
Marriage records show that women are marrying men who are older than they are by about 3 years.

www.google.com/.../what-we-know-about-age-gaps-in-dating-love-and-marriage%3famp

[aliali8]

The reason why I asked this question was not about "Can women have kids at 60?"

The reason why I asked this question is because I see a lot of these FERTILE 35 yr old women worrying about not being able to have kids. why the living fuck would you worry about not being able to have kids, IF YOU'RE STILL FERTILE?

Women never have to worry about not being able to have kids. We are baby machines. Sperm is not hard to get. Why would you worry about infertility or menopause?

Only men have to worry about never having kids since he has absolutely no control over when he finds the right person to marry.

[rjroy3]

Necessary? No. You can get pregnant as a teenager if you really want to. Marriage isn't required.

But a child growing up within a family unit is far and above the best situation for a child to be raised. It's proven consistently to be true.

Secondly. Raising a child is hard work to do alone.

Thirdly. If you are single are you prepared to accept the consequences that comes with being a single mother? Because they exist.

Personally. I wouldn't not choose to have a child without intention to raise them with that woman. It's best for the child.

[aliali8]

Well if half of all marriages result in divorce, you would be most likely raising your kids as a single parent anyways.

[locutus9999]

that depends... Ypu can divorse and coparent. that will be the best for the child. You can do wjat you want... but I sense , I hope I am wrong, something off. I will recomend you to look for therapy so you can explore a bit some issues ypu may have thowards men, to be honest... there is a lot of crap walking arround and that may have sonething with the way you got those believes. I respect your experiences and your desition. But just be sure your motivation comes from the right place.

[aliali8]

@locutus9999 what makes you think anything I've said in this question was false? Every single thing was a fact. You just didn't like it so now you're calling me crazy

[locutus9999]

No I am not telling you crazy, I just suggested you to check your motivation, thats all, you do not need to be crazy to go to a therapist. But therapy even if you are fine can help a lot to clarify your path to happiness. I know many here have attacked you so I am not really impressed by the tone of your answer. Curiously I mean not attack.

[rjroy3]

As he said, divorce and coparenting is an option. Some divorces also happen after kids leave the home because they were staying together for the kids. Many divorces happen before having kids.

Additionally, if I ever get married there will be a massive vetting process over years before that time ever comes. Marriages that end in divirce tend to have commonalities.

[aliali8]

you can co parent without getting married. what makes you think just because I didn't marry when i had my baby, then i wouldn't co parent? you can definitely do that. But for most cases, kids only see their divorced dads once a month, on average. Sometimes, dads don't even get any visitation depending on his criminal history.

[mobiusforniner]

I think it is real. I dated a woman who broke up with me because she "wanted to find herself". She spent several years going on mission trips, meeting new friends, dating other people. By the time she tried reconnecting with me, she was 26... I was already married. She told me she wished she changed her mind and life was now going too fast.

I have a friend who's in her mid 30s. She's very beautiful, but she's very lonely. I asked if getting married was something she wanted; she said she put too much emphasis on her professional life. She told me now it was "too late" and there's "no hope".

[aliali8]

Its never too late to get married. I've seen many women get married in their 40s, including my aunt. And kamala harris.

[aliali8]

beautiful women never have a hard time getting dates regardless of how old they are. Chances are she's looking in all the wrong places.

[mobiusforniner]

When you come from a culture where everyone gets married by 25, for her, its too late

[aliali8]

More American women are having babies in their 30s than their 20s

www.cnbc.com/.../...s-than-younger-moms-in-us.html

[aliali8]

You should tell her to have her own child before she hits 40

[SphynxUK]

I never had the urge.
However, I was super fertile and fell pregnant having taken the pill religiously at the same time everyday.


8 years on, I made a conscious choice to have a sibling for that child. It was never about my want or need.
I fell pregnant first ‘go’.


One of my sisters had an abortion as a late teen. As an adult she really wanted children, and has 3. She would have wanted a fourth, but her youngest has non verbal autism, and requires quite a lot of care.

[Smoothing]

Generally speaking, yes, women have biological clocks. However there are also other factors that come into play.

Men don't have a biological clock and can have children even at the age of 80.
Again there are other factors that come into play.

As to personal choice of when and whether to get married, I will not comment.
We can all have opinions based on circumstances or emotions but reality will always stay the same no matter what.

That is all I have to say thank you.

[Vivaldi]

At 80? Really?

[Smoothing]

Yes, believe it or not. The ability to produce sperm is very different with the ability to have an election. If the problem is election, there is something called Viagra

[Smoothing]

Sorry I meant to say different from

[Smoothing]

I can go into the biological aspects of why women have a time limit on having babies based on various factors and why men don't have a time limit also based on various factors, but I rather not because I think I have made my point.

[Smoothing]

Sorry @Vivaldi I meant to say erection not election.

[Unit1]

why would a young woman pick an old ugly old man if she can get a handsome young man?

Have you asked them the same question?

[aliali8]

You’re not gonna make that much money ever in life. So dream on, soon to be grandpa

[Unit1]

Awww, butthurt!
Grow up.

[aliali8]

I think you’re butt hurt. Because the average age gap is just 3 years.

Empirical evidence has also accumulated in support of women's preferences for older men, and as you might expect, the data often overlap with those data supporting men's preferences. As this sample of Conway-Beam and Buss's (2019) review suggests:

Cross-culturally, women report wanting partners who are (on average) 3.5 years older than them.
In online dating, women make the first contact with older men at a greater than rate they do younger men.
Marriage records show that women are marrying men who are older than they are by about 3 years.

www.google.com/.../what-we-know-about-age-gaps-in-dating-love-and-marriage%3famp

[aliali8]

So yea... women don’t like old uncles or grandpas. Just cus you want a woman 20 years younger , it doesn’t mean she wants you

[aliali8]

en.m.wikipedia.org/.../Age_disparity_in_sexual_relationships

[Unit1]

Many girls still go out with men twice their own age. I'm not sold when they tell me it's their maturity/personality, that attracted them.

[aliali8]

I don’t think so. According to research and statistics. Women are marrying men 3 years apart. Not 13 years apart

Empirical evidence has also accumulated in support of women's preferences for older men, and as you might expect, the data often overlap with those data supporting men's preferences. As this sample of Conway-Beam and Buss's (2019) review suggests:

Cross-culturally, women report wanting partners who are (on average) 3.5 years older than them.
In online dating, women make the first contact with older men at a greater than rate they do younger men.
Marriage records show that women are marrying men who are older than they are by about 3 years.

www.google.com/.../what-we-know-about-age-gaps-in-dating-love-and-marriage%3famp

[aliali8]

And you wouldn’t be able to relate to someone 15-20 years younger than you either. Most 45 yr olds look like shit and honestly would have nothing in common with anyone under the age of 34-35. So if you’re a 50 yr old man dating a 20 yr old girl. People will know you’re just using her for sex.

Perverts date for sex. Decent men date for love.

[Unit1]

Yeah, well, I mean like it wasn't my idea, that men of all ages are usually attracted to young and beautiful women. Even mature women can look beautiful.
It wasn't my idea, that gold diggers see men as wallets on legs waiting to be ripped off. Or that women find men with more money more attractive (i still call them gold diggers but only if they're hypergamous).
It wasn't my idea, that these both find each other, that he gives her money and she gives him sex.

Back to the question - I heard someone say before, that she pulled her "biological clock" out and inserted a vibrator in it's place. That means only some women have this biological clock. Some are in a rush to get married and pregnant, the others don't even think about it.

[aliali8]

@Unit1 Thats what men like you love spewing around to make yourselves feel better. I will clarify for you.

Just because you're 58 years old, rich and can attract tons of 18 yr old girls. It doesn't mean that they want to marry you because they love you. They are only with you because of your money. No woman is gonna date a man that she has absolutely no physical attraction to. Cut off her allowance, stop spending on her and she will be gone in a second.

Hot young men attract wives, old guys pay for wives.

[Unit1]

Like i said before: It wasn't my idea. Facts don't care about your or my feelings.

[aliali8]

www.evanmarckatz.com/.../why-do-women-in-their-30s-not-want-to-date-men-in-their-40s

[kingofthellamas]

It does exist. Fertility of both genders deteriorates with age. Women who have children later in life are more likely to have challenges during pregnancy and the baby is more likely to have health issues too.

I think generally women feel a drive to have children more strongly than men do. Being a father is not as big an issue for guys as it I think it is for women. (And I am a dad by the way for context). A lot of dads have a family but would equally be happy without children. They do becuse they know its important for thier partner and they're not anti the idea. I doubt childless men over 40 feel they have missed out tbh.

[aliali8]

there definitely are men out there who want kids and a family. that's why so many men on here complain about older women being infertile.

[kingofthellamas]

I agree. There are men who want family and children. I am one, or was, I have children of my own today. I don't think the want for children is the same as my partners. I can raise my hand and say, yes children would be good, but if it wasn't going to happen, it would not bother me. That's not true of my partner. Most dads I know have a similar view. Their wives want children more, the men will be okay if children come along.
I've not come across many men in general who are envious of female fertility. I've not seen evidence of that on this website either.

[aliali8]

From my experience, men who aren’t really care about not having children, do not tend to be good dads. That’s why so many dads leave their kids for single moms to raise or abandon their kids.

It’s kinda like saying I will raise 2 dogs when I don’t really want a dog. when things get tough, you will abandon your dogs. It’s just really

[kingofthellamas]

I'm thinking my point hasn't been well put. Sorry for that. I think parenthood is something you grow into. Now that I am a father, I would not change that for that anyting. I would put my kids above myself, my partner, my own mother. My kids are the most important thing. I was not a reluctant father. I went into keen, knowing what I was getting into, having read all the books, spoken to other dads etc. It was researched and planned.

All that said 17 odd years ago, if they had not come along then (even after all that research), I can't see me forever chasing wanting to have children. So I'm saying the urge to have children is felt more strongly in women than it is for men. I think most would agree with that. (I suspect there is even some science to prove it out there somewhere on phantom pregnancies, baby steeling etc - neither a common in men!).

I don't get how you are connecting the eagerness to the quality of the parent. I think there are probably plenty of really keen dads who turn out to be awful fathers and really reluctant ones who turn out to be brilliant. Parenting is tough and evolves over many years. Neither the child nor the parent is static through it.

I also can't reconcile it with men who leave their partners. I think that's complex. There are the cowards who ditch out during pregnancy. There are others who split later - and in that category I think it is led by women leaving the man. (Not sure but I think I've read that).

I don't understand your point about the two dogs. Something about family pets perhaps?

[aliali8]

There are dads who didn't want kids but end up discovering what parenting is really like so they fall in love into the job of being a parent.

But there are many dads out there who never really wanted kids but only had them because of societal pressure or his hatred towards condoms.

There are exceptions like you. But I would say that most men who never wanted children, won't end up being good dads. You are the exception, not the rule.

[kingofthellamas]

Yup, I think it's definitely a bad idea to go into parenthood without the keen , or at least Luke warm, support of both parents. That's why a lot of men feel they should have a stronger voice in if a baby is brought full term.

[Citizenkirk]

In reference too her ability too have children, not a set date, as long as she has eggs left too fertilize. Even then, woman freeze eggs all the time for later use, same as men freezing sperm for same purpose. Her fertility cycle is likely going too be close too monthly activity, with some acceptions, and her internal clock, a timekeeping function if the human brain, may influence this, but also allows you too wake up at a specific time of morning and compell you too do routine things at established times of the day, if you are a creature of habit, like myself.

[DiscomfortZone]

1) Some women simply have the dignity and conscience not to aspire to be a welfare single mother. Imagine that.

2) Many men can stay VERY attractive past their 50s, to much younger women.

3) You speak such nonsense and obviously have no idea what you're talking about :) Men can stay fertile even in old ages, unlike women.

4) In your case, you display the sort of personality which would repel any man who isn't a complete moron. So good luck getting married to your moron but for the love of all humanity please let the guy do the educating!@

[aliali8]

what makes you think that young women want old men? Statistics show that women only like to marry guys 3 years older than them, not 13 years older.

I think you’re butt hurt. Because the average age gap is just 3 years.

Empirical evidence has also accumulated in support of women's preferences for older men, and as you might expect, the data often overlap with those data supporting men's preferences. As this sample of Conway-Beam and Buss's (2019) review suggests:

Cross-culturally, women report wanting partners who are (on average) 3.5 years older than them.
In online dating, women make the first contact with older men at a greater than rate they do younger men.
Marriage records show that women are marrying men who are older than they are by about 3 years.

www.google.com/.../what-we-know-about-age-gaps-in-dating-love-and-marriage%3famp

[aliali8]

en. m. wikipedia. org/.../Age_disparity_in_sexual_relationships

Most common age gaps being 1-4 years, not 10-14 years.

[aliali8]

As a woman, I can have kids by the time I am 40, regardless if I get married or not.

Men can't have kids by the time he's 40, unless he's married. After 40, he is past his prime, his looks fading. White hairs growing, balding heads, gaining weight, sagginess, wrinkles, dull skin. No young woman would be attracted to him so his chances of having children growing slimmer every yr that he gets older.

Even women in their 30s don't want to date guys in their 40s.

Why Do Women in Their 30s Not Want to Date Men in Their 40s?

www.evanmarckatz.com/.../why-do-women-in-their-30s-not-want-to-date-men-in-their-40s

A woman in her 30s will only go for a guy in his 40s , if she can't get anyone younger or better.

[aliali8]

The reason why I asked this question was not about "Can women have kids at 60?"

The reason why I asked this question is because I see a lot of these FERTILE 35 yr old women worrying about not being able to have kids. why the living fuck would you worry about not being able to have kids, IF YOU'RE STILL FERTILE?

Women never have to worry about not being able to have kids. We are baby machines. Sperm is not hard to get. Why would you worry about infertility or menopause?

Only men have to worry about never having kids since he has absolutely no control over when he finds the right person to marry.

[aliali8]

www.evanmarckatz.com/.../why-do-women-in-their-30s-not-want-to-date-men-in-their-40s

[DiscomfortZone]

So, no less than 5 comments of copy-paste in order to "prove" your "empirical" data and findings (completely disregarding data from other countries, ofc, wouldn't want to be taken seriously no would you) but I'M the one who's "butthurt"? You are pathetic, simply pathetic. Please reconsider becoming a welfare mother, eould be a curse for the child, they aren't to blame for you!

[aliali8]

you are butt hurt because you're jealous and arguing over the woman's ability to birth a baby before she is 40.

[DiscomfortZone]

Ofc, I'm jealous 😂 You have my sympathy, creature.

[aliali8]

of course. why wouldn't you? you're 35 and still single. NO wife in sight.

[Anonymous]

The odds of fertility problems start going up past a woman's age of 35. Even more so after 40. Fertility clinics are full of women over 40 trying to get pregnant. I don't see why really. If a woman doesn't have kids by 40, what makes them want to try after 40? And be what, 60 years old seeing them graduate from high school? LOL...

I know of a lady who is 70. She had a daughter when she was 45. (I don't know if she had infertility treatments or not.) Her daughter had 2 children by the time she was 20. Unmarried. The 70 year old lady last I heard is still working full time to support the daughter (who I think I think is autistic) and the 2 grandchildren.

[aliali8]

My mom birthed me at 37 and my brother at 40. We are actually doing fine as adults right now.
But a woman has control over when she has her kids , men don't.
Men have to wait and beg for a young woman's attention as his looks fade, and sperm quality deteriorates. No young woman wants an ugly old man. so his chances of having kids just grows slimmer with age. There are still 55 yr old guys on here waiting to have kids. But no sane young woman would ever go for them.

[Daniela1982]

Sperm quality does not degrade like eggs do. Many men have sired children in their 60's and even 70's. That wasn't the best idea but it can happen.

[aliali8]

@Daniela1982 yea girl, get an education

www.sciencedaily.com/.../141201113406.htm

"While female age is well known to have negative effects on fertility, reproductive success and the health of offspring, the influence of male age on a couple's fertility has been largely neglected.

"The effects of declining semen traits with increasing male age have largely been ignored due to inconsistencies in the literature, but our work now suggests that male age affects a variety of traits. It is well recognised that reduced sperm performance can affect pregnancy success, but it is less well known that the quality of the sperm, particularly DNA quality, could affect the development and health of the offspring," Dr Johnson says.

[Daniela1982]

Do your own homework.
Men over 60 'have healthier babies than teen fathers'
By FIONA MACRA

Older men have healthier babies than their teenage counterparts, says a study.
Even if the man is in his 60s, the health risks for the child are no higher than average.

In contrast, babies with fathers in their teens have more chance of arriving prematurely or dying before their first birthday.
Well-known older fathers include Des O'Connor, who had his fifth child at 73, and Rod Stewart, who had his seventh at 60.

[aliali8]

@Daniela1982 You don't even have a fucking link to your fake ass BS. Nobody would believe in your shit.

This is what an official fertility website says:

Men younger than 40 have a better chance of fathering a child than those older than 40. The quality of the sperm men produce seems to decline as they get older.

Most men make millions of new sperm every day, but men older than 40 have fewer healthy sperm than younger men. The amount of semen (the fluid that contains sperm) and sperm motility (ability to move towards an egg) decrease continually between the ages of 20 and 80.

https://www.yourfertility.org.au/everyone/age

[Daniela1982]

You can use Google as well as I can. Google it and see for yourself. You may as well ask me to show you my badge of Google Authority. Badge? I don't need any stinking badge!
https://youtu.be/4OcM23Hbs5U

[aliali8]

@Daniela1982 thats a movie with a clown on the face of the film. what makes you think anyone would trust your source? don't put on some fake shit on here.

[Anonymous]

A womans clock runs out before a guys. guys stay firtle longer.

and as for divorce you need to pick very wisely. And i mean VERY WISELY.


raising kids with no dad will make your life hard. And the kids will grow up. Lacking somthing.
Because of it. What? We dont know. But its not good for society.

boys who grew up with. No dad around. Or male rolemodel. Are more likely to end up in jail. Or prison.

and girls are less likely to be able to hold down a marrige later in life
Without a dad around

statistics show this and thats facts,

Raising kids, by your self, and having to feed them, And work.
you will always be broke.

Because any money you make will go right to childcare. Leaving you with scraps.

thats why my wife stays home. And i work.
i make the money, we can live off of,

She watches the kids, and helps me run my business

[aliali8]

46% of all marriages end in divorce. That’s almost half of all marriages. So we all would end up being single moms anyways. After divorce the kids will see dad probably once a month due to a court ruling.
So I really don’t see your point of “marriage” before kids

[aliali8]

And what makes you think a single mom can’t raise kids on one income while your kids are also raised on 1 income? As long as mom is a smart lady with a high flying career , she can raise kids sufficiently with no problem

[Opinion Owner]

Yea. 10,000$ - 13,000$. Per kid. Annual
for child care here.

That doesn't leave you much to live off of. If you have a few kids. Like i do,

My wife stays home. And we save that money instead of pay someone to raise our kids.

One of you is gunna be working for free
just for child care. If you did Work,

So we do well because we dont have that big expense.

And divorce happens when 2 dissfuctional people get married. If you marry someone and already think about divorce right l out the gate. Your marriage will probably fail

Kids do better with 2 parrents. And theirs no denying that.

If she was by her self, And had to pay 36,000$ a year for 3 kids day care.

Pluss Pay bills, car payments, house. Food,
By her self.

She would be rideing the poverty line Be stressed. And broke.

Thats why she stays home.
And i go out and make money.

They have a good life. And never have anything to worry about thats my job. And duty as a man, to provide for them.

And for us, divorce is out of the question.
Bolth of our parrents. Are happily married. 30+ years.

Your not likely to divorce if your parrents aren’t divorced. The chances drop. Like rock, my

wife and i are best friends, And partners all in 1. Wel do everything from fishing, Ho see a movie, The bar,
To share a bed, And raise kids,

We literally do everything together. And are happy as can be. And have ben for years.

Half of all marriges fail because people are selfish, Stupid, Or any other reason.

[kingofthellamas]

I don't agree. Being a single parent is really hard work. It's not just that you are doing double duty. You are also trying to compensate for the missing half. It is not an easy option at all and one best avoided.

[Opinion Owner]

@kingofthellamas exactly ^^^^^**.
I agree. Theirs a reason it takes 2. To make babies.

The guy can't do it alone. Neither can the woman.

Its a misrable lonely life being alone with kids. To raise by your self.
And it definitely won't help your happiness, outlook on life, And probably get depressed over time.

Your quality of life won't be what it should be. Because theirs always somthing missing. You never can make up for by your Self

[Opinion Owner]

@aliali8
Best advice i can give you.

Find and marry your best friend. And itl be the best thing you ever did.

When you meet someone and it fits like a glove. And you can't emagine your life without that person anymore.

Thats how you know you found the right one.

[aliali8]

hun what you're dreaming about is not what reality is today. 46% of all marriages end up in divorce. On average, kids only see their divorced dads once a month which means they spend 95% of the time with mom. So even if you get married, there is a good chance you will also end up divorcing. If you do not want to divorce, then stay in an unhappy marriage.

Life is not meant to be easy. And if a woman can make enough money to hire nannies and after school programs , then things should turn out fine.

I was raised by 2 working parents because we were a poor family. My parents never had to hire nanny or baby sitter for me. After school, my parents paid for after school programs where I can have tutors watch me do homework and play with other kids. I had a good childhood.

[Opinion Owner]

Lol. You better have a really good job then.

And also, Be careful.

Because they Go off of whats in the childs best intrest. In court,, If your working 50+ hours week. And dont see the kids. Because your more focused on work and your carreer.

The dad can take them. Because your neglecting them.

I know a guy i work with, Who took his kids from his ex wife. Because she had the same additude you do ^^^^^^. She didn't raise the kids nannies and sitters did.

And she never spent any time with them. Because she was focused in her career. More
50+ hours a week.

He took it to court, And won.

Now she's by her self paying him child support because she earned more than him,

So watch what you expect or wish for because that rope will hang you in court.
That logic. Can be twisted. And used against you, By a good lawyer on the guys behalf

[Opinion Owner]

If you have a good job, and wanna divorce. Or have kids.

Be ready to pay a lot of bills. Up to half of your paycheck is gone. Because of child support. And your on the hook until their 18

And if you dont pay you go to jail and they take your drivers license.
Probably loosing your job too

I know plenty of guys who got custody of their kids and put their ex in this position.

If you wanna be a high earner.
And career driven. Thats fine. But it comes with a risk.

Because courts take and cosider all facts.

They dont just give custody to the mom.
off rip,

46% of marriges end in divorce because theirs a lot of trashy. Women and guys With no class of any kind. That. Think its ok.

A husband and wife are a team. And are 1 unit. If they dont feel that way. Why get married?

Some women are attracted to loosers. And thats why some people get divorced too.
Dead beat guys, dont wanna work, cheaters.

Somtimes the girl cheats, whores around, etc,,... theirs.

a lot of Things that contribute to the 46%.

And most of it has to do with.
Garbage trashy ass people

Hillbillys. And trailer trash is who drives the divorce rate up,
But normal people are usually fine.
can't give up when the going gets hard

[aliali8]

You sound like you had a terrible experience being a parent. Because you seem quite pessimistic. I live in a city full of high earners, where its very common for women to be career women and leave their kids to the care of afterschool programs or nannies. After school programs are pretty cheap. Its around just $3000 a year. Any working mother with decent income can afford something like that. I have a lot of respect for career parents becaues I was raised by 2 working parents. I ended up turning out fine. There this stereotype that all kids raised by career parents or single parents end up having terrible unsuccessful lives.

As long as you surround your child with people of good moral standing, send it to good schools, teach your child what is wrong / right at a young age. Then your child will end up being fine.
The reality is, there are many parents out there who are NOT QUALIFIED to be parents or DON'T KNOW HOW TO BE PARENTS.

Its better to be a career mother , who knows how to teach her child rather than a stay home mom who does not know how to teach her child.

[Opinion Owner]

We live in the countryside. I work doing construction. And i farm.

We bolth have no education outside of high school. And our goals are different than people in citys.

City dwellers aren't as close to god. Usually have less morals... and are very materialistic... its not about family its all about what you drive, how much your clothes cost... etc... being a parrent is probably the biggest joy of my life.

My daughter will grow up to know how to be a good wife and mom to some luck man.

And my boys will grow up to be men,,,, not no beta male... learn how to treat women, how to work. Hunt. etc... be a alpha that takes charge. that can lead a family.

People in citys are some of the most miserable people I've ever met.

What’s important in life they completely screw up. Or overlook...

When your dead. You will leave behind a legacy... how people will remember you.
And ya can't take any degree or material things with you.

The simpler your life is the more happy you will be.

My wife and kids come before any ammount of money. Thats #1.

Not school. A job. etc... And thats why city people are so damm miserable.

They look for instant gratification In a world built on immages. If one’s worth

[aliali8]

I don't think we have a choice to pick whether we live in a countryside or city. Life would definitely be better in the country side. You grow your own food, don't have to worry about education or starvation. But its different for most of the population in the US, since most of us live in cities. In cities, we do not have the soil or land to grow our own food. We rely on education and skills to feed ourselves. So a woman without an education will starve, and be screwed for life. Don't even talk about her being a single mom having kids to feed.

In every location , there is a difference in culture. People in the countryside have different ambitions. In your culture, its probably much easier to raise and feed children. Girls are probably married off at 19-20 years and with 5 kids by the time she is 26. In my city, most women marry at around age 30-32.

[aliali8]

You may also say that money doesn't matter. But in the cities, money = food. You cannot feed your family without money. In your country side, money is different from food. Because you can grow your own food. Its not hard to feed your family.

And quite honestly, i don't care how alpha a man is if he is not a good father, lacking in intelligence, and can't make enough money to support his family.

Its kinda like saying it doesn't matter how feminine a woman is if she doesn't know how to be a good mother or a lady with a decent heart.

[Opinion Owner]

The food you eat in citys.

Comes from guys like me, I butcher cattle and very now and again for meat,
Shoot a couple deer in the fall.

But the farming is mostly part of my income.

We feed the citys.

[aliali8]

And without my money, I can’t buy your food. This is why people in cities are all highly educated. It’s much more expensive and difficult to raise kids and survive in cities

[aliali8]

In city:

no education / skills = no money = no food = starving kids