True or false, girls have it easier when it comes to getting dates than guys?

[more_than_a_guy]

True

False

The same

[VanillaSalt]

Women definitely have it easier. Getting dates and sex is easy if your semi cute. But when it comes to men for these things we have to bend over backwards even if your good looking. I wish I had a link but one study from a while back said that women think 79% of men are below average in looks.


The thing women seem to want is commitment but that’s a mans to give. She controls sex he controls commitment. However if you notice once they have commitment 53% of marriage ends in divorce and 80% of them are filed by women… For those of you less gifted mathematically this means that 42% of all women that get that commitment fail to return it. Marriage is a loss for men in the war between men and women. Datings more fun and safer for men because if the date goes bad both sides can walkout without consequences… try that in marriage lmao.

[MCheetah]

Obviously true. It's so annoying when people try to say otherwise. It's like, women always want the easy way out in life and in this instance, THEY HAVE IT ALREADY, but don't want to accept it because it might make them look bad in some way. Just take the win, already. A woman can get a date thousands of times easier than any half-way decent man can.

Women can get dates easy, and both genders have a hard time finding "the one," but with more numbers to go through, obviously women will be able to find "the one" a lot easier and sooner than men searching for that, will be able to.

[hi_it_is_me123]

Dates mean nothing if it does not end up with marriage. So yes women have it easy to date but they have it difficult to find a good husband and not a guy who will use her for sex. Unfortunately western guys dont wait till marriage. Many guys use dates to have sex. Fortunately i dont have these have these problems since everyone waits till marriage in my culture

[Marquese_m]

Really? Where’s that?

[SlightlyEccentric]

I point of dating is to learn about a person. Get a sense of what their like. You're not gonna learn everything about them in a short time, it usually takes years to do that.

If the common mentality for dating someone to be marriage, then it would explain why there are such high divorce rates.

[loves2learn]

In a way, I say yes. Dating is definitely not easy for a shy or socially awkward guy. I was a shy girl but when a guy flirted with me Indefinitely flirted back. And my man was not shy when he saw I was interested.
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I think dating 101 should be mandatory with sex ed. It is a necessary life skill.

[username998]

True, for the average female dating is like shopping. You just go out or online and pick what you like the best as long as it's available.

For the average male
Dating is like job hunting in a bad economy. For online dating you got to have impressive dating profile or you will not get any responses. Even if you are lucky enough to get a date it is very unlikely you'll get a second or get a relationship out of it. For approaching girls in person you got to know all right things to say to pass their tests to be able to get a date. As if you make one mistake it's game over.

Above average males have it easy but the majority of guys don't. I know my response sounds like I'm exaggerating but it's just my experience.

[MCheetah]

No, you are dead-accurate, here.

[GlitchyDisc2590]

The way I see it guys have a harder time in the dating world. Look at any average woman's tinder compared to a mans. Women, statistically speaking, have much higher standards than men do. We are also expected to make the first move. Women more often than not care more about personality than men do, so you also have to bring your A game weather it's through text or in person.

[RawIronhide]

Disproportionately there are more single guys with less dating prospects than girls. Also meaning there's more single females with more dating options than single guys with options. That's my anecdotal observation. I don't know of any studies but I've heard statistics.

[Anonymous]

it depends where you live, whom you live around, how pretty you are and lot of other stuff.

I am in a long term relationship on and off but although I can very easily find A DATE, I can’t that easily find a guy I actually really really like and would wanna spend the rest of my life with and can trust 100%. I think it’s better to be alone than with just anyone for the hell of it.

[G5TWA1]

Yeah, a lot of people get in relationships just because they are lonely or think being single just looks sad, or any other dumb reason

[Opinion Owner]

@G5TWA1 that’s why their dumb relationships are such disasters. Intelligent people tend to spend more of their years alone.

[G5TWA1]

Well Intelligent people also tend to be more miserable, so I wouldn't advise anyone to follow their steps but yeah, learn how to be with yourself

[Opinion Owner]

@G5TWA1 You can’t really help how intelligent you are though because you’re born with it. I think it’s more a blessing than a curse of misery as people perceive it to be.

[G5TWA1]

I agree with that, I just wouldn't take dating advise from Isaac Newton

[Opinion Owner]

@G5TWA1 Oh God not that paragon!

Being alone is not as bad as some may think, you know. I think it has many advantages and the biggest one being that you’re not answerable to anyone.

[G5TWA1]

That's not what I'm saying, I love being by myself the company is great, I just think there's a correlation between being a genius and being miserable, not between being alone and miserable

[Opinion Owner]

@G5TWA1 I don’t think the misery is a direct result of being a genius but rather out of the realisation that you’re so misunderstood. People with high intelligence tend to feel lonely despite having lots of people in their lives because not everyone matches their wavelength. They don’t feel understood because of the level of their genius and that can lead to misery. Also, because geniuses are inherently curious beings, they’re in constant pursuit of knowledge and want to try new things and learn new things so they can get easily bored with mediocre things or lack of opportunity which can also be the cause of their misery.

[G5TWA1]

oh yeah, I don't think misery is a direct result of being a genius, and I agree with everything else you said

[moviedude714]

I want to agree, but a part of me doesn't want to, probably because I have felt that way for the longest time now and at the same time it reminds me that guys or men get bashed or criticized for having a victim mindset or playing the victim, men tend to get less sympathy than women do if they don't like the way something is

[Seinna]

True, but getting dates is not that important to women in the grand scheme of things... and getting what WE want, ie committment is easier for men than for women.

[VanillaSalt]

That’s because commitment is the one thing men have to hold over women… meanwhile dates is all women have.

This ain’t the 1950s. Your not a virgin. Your probably not even traditional lol. You gotta earn that shit.

[AllThatSweetJazz]

Do they have advantage in commitment? I don’t think so. Seems like just a misinterpretation of a particular situation.

[VanillaSalt]

Yes because most men are more interested in the women whereas most women are interested in the commitment like seinna just said.

[AllThatSweetJazz]

You say that but is there any reason to not think that’s a myth? Men and women cheat at near-identical rates, women initiate divorce and breakups more than twice as much as men. They have the advantage all the way up to commitment, why wouldn’t they still have the advantage in commitment?

It just seems like a fake meme to try to pretend the situation is balanced.

I think they *fixate more on the idea of commitment*, but that doesn’t mean they find it more challenging to get or hold onto than men.

[VanillaSalt]

Then why do men jump so willingly into marriage if it benefits one side so dominantly? It’s because it secures a solid source of sex and a mother to have children with. If women lost their pussy and birthing capabilities would men still marry them? And when the end goals different then the value of everything to that point is different… for instance. If a man says he’ll marry a woman only after 10 months of dating then quits 8 months in… he got mostly what he wanted for 8 months where as she never got her commitment.

We can argue the meaning of commitment if you want to… but I don’t think we can argue who gets more out of dating and who gets more out of marriage…

[Hallo626262]

Uhm you don't worry about dates BECAUSE you get them so easy. How should a man get commitment if he can't get a date?

[AllThatSweetJazz]

@VanillaSalt “If women lost their pussy and birthing capabilities would men still marry them?”
Wouldn’t be any different than the inverse.

“ If a man says he’ll marry a woman only after 10 months of dating then quits 8 months in…”
Yet we know from the statistics that it’s women who break things off, so your genders should be reversed there.

I don’t think you’re actually basing any of this off anything. I think you’ve just got some stereotypes and that’s all.

[VanillaSalt]

Alright look boy. You need to chill the fuck out and breath. It’s obvious your not listening to what I’m saying just looking for something to agree or disagree with… I know the statistics you keep pointing out. 53% of marriage ends in divorce and 80% of them are women filing for it making women responsible for the failings of a total of 42% of all marriage. I also advocate against marriage to guys as a bad deal. I know that both men and women are selfish and self serving and that the only differences between them is what they want and who holds the power. Men give more value to physical intimacy this women have all the power there because they have what men want. Women want commitment and so they gives men the power of commitment… marriage is a power struggle between a man and women trying to get what they want at as good of a price as possible. Too many men are too lazy to hit the gym, work overtime, make friends, get hobbies, and build themselves into real men and too many women overprice themselves thinking they deserve better than they do. Neither side seems to understand you don’t set your own value the buyer says the value of the piece and the seller determines if it’s close enough to the asking price to sell.

Not when you calm down to re-read everything I typed and try and understand it. If your too lazy to do that you’re not even worth trying to educate.

[AllThatSweetJazz]

How about you calm down. You’re flipping out for no reason.

I understand everything you said, but none of that necessitates that anything need be equal, let alone proportional.

Men want commitment too. You can say that the discrepancy in desire for commitment gives men power, but we have no substantive reason to believe that. What metrics we have draw us away from believing that. At best it’s a fluctuating cultural thing. But really I think you’re just parameterizing the problem incorrectly by not fleshing out what commitment means.

[VanillaSalt]

Men don’t want commitment they want the benefits of commitment. Whether or they they are willing to shoulder the responsibilities depends on them and the deal being offered. The rich hot guy who has girls on him day and night will be less likely to commit if she don’t offer something unique and special. So once again your comment proves your not comprehending what I’m saying. “It wouldn’t be any different than the inverse“, “men want commitment too” “… but none of that necessitates that anything need be equal, let alone proportional.” So let’s try giving numerical value to abstract. If men value sex at 7 and commitment at 3 and women value commitment at 7 and sex at 3… taking a purely sexual relationship without commitment whom gets the better numerical deal? Both get sex do men get 7 and women get 3. Since no commitment was reached men win out on the whole deal. If commitment is reached then both sides get 10 and is equal gains.

This alone breaks your arguments that taking sex and children out that men and women would still seek each other at similar rates as before and while I agree men want commitment the value they place on commitment compared to women is obviously less. This is complicated by other bullshit like preferences and what people are willing to compromise to get part of what they want. The real complication is value is based off perception. An art dealer won’t value your 6 yr old macaroni art like you the parent would even though it’s the same piece of art. This goes back to my point of over valuing yourself and putting too little effort into yourself. It’s simple logic… If a woman’s value to a man is A, what their willing to compromise is B, and their minimum requirements for a woman to be marriage material is D then it looks like this… A - B = C If C < D then woman no bueno…

I love math it explains everything so well.

[AllThatSweetJazz]

@VanillaSalt “Men don’t want commitment they want the benefits of commitment.”
The same is true of women. Commitment and the “benefits of commitment” are the same thing. Again, like I said before, you’re treating women’s interest in commitment as something extra special or different. It’s not.

I’m comprehending exactly what you’re saying, and that’s demonstrable because you just exemplified exactly what I said you were doing. Then again with the numbers thing, you’re doing exactly what I said you were doing again. Here’s the problems, you’ve selected parameters that you’ve arbitrarily decided are separable – they’re not. Then as I said before there’s no reason these values would be proportional or sum to the same number all the time. Your example is BAD. In no way does it break my argument, I just pointed out before how there was no reason to think these parameters were proportional or equal out, but you proceeded to make up arbitrary numbers and then assume they’re proportional and equal out for no reason. Way to go, champ.

Loving math doesn’t make you effective at parameterizing a problem, interpreting data, and drawing conclusions from it. What you explained well was that you didn’t understand my criticism. Once again, you’ve offered nothing more than rough stereotyping. Have another crack at it.

[VanillaSalt]

Lmao no not it is not… the benefits of commitment are just that the benefits alone… commitment itself comes with responsibilities equal to and many times exceeding the benefits. The fact you can’t understand that and are going to argue this fact with me again makes me bored of trying to make you think. As we argue you use bigger and bigger words acting like it give your argument more merit.

I don’t feel there’s anything to learn from this conversation and your obviously not listening so good night.

[AllThatSweetJazz]

@VanillaSalt “commitment itself comes with responsibilities equal to and many times exceeding the benefits.”
So women are primarily interested in having responsibilities?
You’re not stipulating what commitment is. How about you try defining it.

“As we argue you use bigger and bigger words acting like it give your argument more merit.”
Sorry for being too articulate and having too big a vocabulary?
The meaning of the words is what gives them weight, getting triggered by big words says more about you. You’re allowed not to have heard a word before. No judgement. But when people act like my vocabulary itself is somehow an attempt to work against them -- at that point you just sound anti-intellectual.

Just stipulate what you mean by commitment – because you haven’t actually outlined that yet. Give us a true definition and we’ll review it. There’s nothing to understand when you don’t define it.

[Anonymous]

Girls can get dates more easily, but I think the quality of dates is up for debate. Just because a girl might have a high amount of interest from men, doesn't guarantee any kind of reciprocation, could feel very much like look for a needle in a hay stack

[BTSLOVER1999]

I can't ever get a date because the guy I'm talking with thinks a first date means he's going to get sex or we don't even get to that stage because he's just so eager to fool around. Hard to find the good guys these days🙄

[VanillaSalt]

I get tired of hearing this you’d think all men are cheating scumbags that deserve to die… fuck women like you.

[Rangers]

Try being more open minded when it comes to your personality preferences

[VanillaSalt]

I wish I could be nice like you Ranger but women these days make me wanna commit a hitler on half the population…

[yofuknutz]

Listen girl when you bring out the Hitler in people you know your personality has some serious defects. just fuck her in the ass and got over with. And I know she's not going to respond because her account is deactivated so Dig In fellas help yourselves. Bhahaha

[Carlycomets]

I think getting dates is easier but finding the right man seems impossible at times haha

[KrakenAttackin]

@carlycomets. The "right man" , now that is a joke. You won't find the "right" man on the cock carousel.

[Rangers]

They're everywhere, chances are that you're drawn away from them because they aren't as unpredictable as guys you're probably more attracted to from a personality standpoint.

[Carlycomets]

No I like a guy for his personality. Just a lot can be not nice and not treat women currently

[Rangers]

I'd take note of the warning signs they're displaying of being a fake shithead

[Carlycomets]

Haha don’t worry I do and then say it isn’t going to work out. I know I deserve better

[doopayo]

Maybe. There’s so many desperate boys as opposed to desperate girls. Most girls don’t care if they’re single or dating but boys act like it’s the end of the world if they don’t have a girl

[Hallo626262]

Weird that girls loose their virginity so much earlier then.

[doopayo]

Where do you even get that from. Most people are virgins in my school, girls losing their virginity earlier is a myth

[yofuknutz]

Numbers game you can only say no so many times before it takes that one time, your doing time for a long time.

[Hallo626262]

I get that from every statistic that exists. Girls start years earlier. And fuck more overall.

[yofuknutz]

That's because they're better at sneaking around I grew up in a female household I have learned the tricks.

[Hallo626262]

No it's because it's way easier for them they don't have to put any work into it. In what world do you live?

[doopayo]

@hallo https://www.thedailybeast.com/sex-who-has-the-most

Men have 16% more sex than women do

[yofuknutz]

That's because he has been using her sister as well

[exitseven]

I think it is about the same. Guys can ask lots of girls out and play the law of averages. Girls generally have to wait and see if a guy asks them out. However they have the veto power to decide whether or not to say yes.

[Anonymous]

Yeah, true, obviously.
Look at these women making excuses though. Like, “I can get dates, but I don’t get what I want. So actually there’s no advantage”. Spare me, that’s the result of two seconds of thought to make rationalizations for themselves. It sounds like it’s just not being thought through and that’s how like 25% of women can think the average woman doesn’t have an advantage.

[Somegirl408]

i dont know to be honest, people say girls have it easy because guys are expected to approach us but i rarely get approached by guys

[yofuknutz]

Is it your looks or your attitude

[VanillaSalt]

“Rarely”… I’ve never been approached… so yes easier. And what he said it’s either looks or how approachable you seem.

[KrakenAttackin]

@somegirl408. This is because it is borderline illegal for a marginally attractive man to approach a woman these days, especially at work.

[yofuknutz]

If she even worth risking your job

[Hallo626262]

Lol rarely. That's way more then never.

[yofuknutz]

Jobs today don't pay anything worth a damn it might be worth the risk

[Assi2k]

Yes and that’s why we have our time wasted. What matters is quality over quantity boys

[VanillaSalt]

Look at it this way… you get to test the waters with these men meanwhile real effort has to be exerted on our end to test the waters with one woman…

[MCheetah]

@Assi2k
You act as though women don't waste men's time, either. Especially the ones who think they're just going to go out to get a free dinner.

[Assi2k]

@MCheetah Nope never said that. I have bros and guy friends. I am aware of male struggles.

But when men claim that having more options would help their case, from experience, I inform them that it’s not the solution.

About the free dinner thing, I agree that’s wrong but men aren’t complete angels either

[Assi2k]

@VanillaSalt I agree w you on that point

[VanillaSalt]

I wouldn’t be quite as pissed off about dating if I could at least shoot my shot. But I got tired of making an effort and failing so I directed my attention to other more amusing things. Women ain’t worth the effort it takes to get 1 date as a less desirable man much less then find an actual acceptable partner.

[Hallo626262]

Lol priveleged and still complaining.

[Assi2k]

@Hallo626262 Not a complaint but it’s a con.

So lemme show some gratitude. Here’s a pro. Among the negative, Many great men have approached me for dates too. Now for that I really appreciate all our times together. And I wish them all the best.

Sorry for the confusion. I love good men :)

[VanillaSalt]

I think at some point the quality of the matches means almost nothing if they only come around once every few years. The current system leaves men with a bad taste in their mouths. I mean I work 6 days a week so I’m mostly limited to online dating so my problems could be solved by taking vacation time and just asking out half the population…

[TikiTook]

Yes. This is very much true unless you’re like the rare 1% of men

[DWornock]

Obviously, since men are willing to date down and women will not date guys that are not their equals or better. However, although men for sex, they almost never marry down. Therefore, for marriage, it is close to equal.

[Plumizz]

Girls have to deal with some desperate men but I would say it is still nowhere near close as challenging as it is for a dude. The guys have it harder.

[genericname85]

yeah, girls have it easier to get dates. but they probably have it as hard to find a decent partner anyway. having lots of choices, doesn't mean that you'll gonna get something good.

[SomeGuyCalledTom]

Overall yes, although girls still have their own struggles in dating, they're just struggles of a slightly different nature.

[HighBoi]

Yes women have it easier finding dates. In other earthshattering revelations, water is wet and the sky is blue.

[Wester1967]

But guys control access to a long term relationship. Sure they can get. Date, but Why aren’t more of these women married?

[Avicenna]

Yes, of course because guys still do most of the pursuing.

[mikalgo223]

So basically it is like this. Majority of girls sift and filter through to guys they like or give a chance whereas guys have to throw their lines out and hope for a chance

[ArsenalTheYhur]

Yes because men are sexually attracted to women body but women aren’t sexually attracted to men body itself.

[Anonymous]

Girls have it easier getting sex... that's it. If they want commitment... good luck with that...

[Justneedtokno]

Yeah now we have a hard time just like everyone else

[VanillaSalt]

Good

[KrakenAttackin]

@Justneedtokno. False. If you have a hard time it is because you are too "picky".

[Justneedtokno]

@KrakenAttackin yeah like I was just settle for any old thing. Don’t give me that.

[Justneedtokno]

Guys not I

[KrakenAttackin]

@Justneedtokno. Not just "any old thing", there are plenty of good men out there who are invisible to you. Slow down and open your eyes.

[Justneedtokno]

@KrakenAttackin it would be nice. But you also have to make an effort to. I can’t be the only one.

[VanillaSalt]

I’m putting a stop to this now. Fact is there men out there completely ignored that would make for great husbands and fathers but don’t look the baseline for women.

If your prioritizing attractive men and never giving the scar covered hard working blue collar workers covered in oil and grease every day a shot then your the cause of your own suffering arnt ya…

Irrelevant! The fact is if your not out asking every single man you meet on a date then overlooking the good man is because you had standards preventing you from finding him wether good or bad… also fact is if you can’t keep men with you its a failure on your end to keep men interested more in your then being single and free…

[Justneedtokno]

@VanillaSalt Sir you got me all wrong not all women do that. And no women don’t just go up to men and ask them out. There are some of us that are still traditionalist and want to be asked out by a man. honestly I like the “scar covered hard working blue collar workers covered in oil and grease” The handyman or the mechanic or the plumber. My daddy is like that. I want the one that the jack of all trades type of person that can fit in all arenas. Money isn’t everything to me and the reason why I say that that’s not gonna help me in building a house or that’s not going to help me if I’m stuck on the side of the road that’s not gonna help me if we need to survive. A trade a skill those are helpful.

[VanillaSalt]

I don’t got you any way. I’m telling you if your not dropping your preferences and asking every man out it’s because you got standards wether their good or bad standards that prevent you from experiencing all options. This is the obvious truth. What are you not willing to compromise? Your traditional views? Your pride as a woman? Standards arnt bad to have but I feel their hindering today’s women. For instance if your as you claim to be then a blue collar man would meet your preferences. What are you doing to meet these men? Why should they choose you? What are they doing that’s not working for you? Are they not asking you out or are they leaving? Are you in shape? I don’t mean goddess just don’t be a land whale!

Do you wanna know why women have it harder now? Because men understand marriages one sided. Also because men feel approaching women will lead to rejection, insults, or even jail time. Also because these men can get the hot 20s that are promiscuous little sluts so they don’t need you wives. I firmly believe feminism has degraded women and is definitely lowered the value of women in men’s eyes.

Look. I work 6-6 6 days a week. I don’t have all the time to go out finding some woman whom apparently don’t appreciate me and is according to most women I see on here and in the media strong and independent uninterested in children. When I tried using dating apps to fill in my lack of time with progress ide get 0 matches. And let’s be honest for just a minute. Would you date a man that only wanted to girlfriend you and never marry? Because marriage is stupid for men right now. We’re not exactly winning any popularity contests right now and women take everything at the end and in the case of a single bad day things can go bloody fast. Risk vs reward tells me your not worth the free time I lose looking for you, the effort I have to expend being good enough for you, and the money I lose if it works out much less if it don’t.

[VanillaSalt]

Also I am not trying to be rude in anyway just tell it how it is… my greatest accomplishment in life I decided a long time ago was a good wife I could care for and cared for me and a child whom could lead society in creating a better world… I’ve changed to this… I’ve done a 180 in a few short years and I don’t expect I’ll ever go back. I’ve left women to fend for themselves with a flat tire because I’ve heard of a guy going to jail for false allegations of rape helping change a tire…I’ve personally been yelled at for holding the door open and saying excuse me to a woman in a crowded supermarket… then earlier today telling another post about it was told I wasn’t telling the whole truth… you know like how women complained for years men didn’t believe them when they claimed sexual assault. Ya that was done to me earlier.

I’m just saying it might not be possible for you women even the traditional ones to sit on your assess waiting for men to come to you anymore. You gotta put in some leg work now and show your not like these hell spawn that pass for women called the modern women.

[Justneedtokno]

@VanillaSalt but that’s the thing is based off individual preferences. I think the media and porn is the reason why men degrade women standards and everything. They want an unrealistic view of a woman. Then you get upset about women wanting stability and that’s being a Golddigger. So it’s kind of like we really don’t have chances here. Just because a woman decides she go ahead on and by her own house or works or does what she have to do to take care of herself because you’re not married to her in the beginning doesn’t make her not want the same things as a partner and kids in a relationship. Not all women are like that the dating game sucks for all.

[VanillaSalt]

Ok first off you leave my fucking porn out of this. Unlike my ex’s my porn don’t cheat or abuse me. Now that that’s over.

I can appreciate struggle. Both sides have unique problems making dating a bitch. But lady. When a man making an effort like I used to fails to even get a shot to show what they are… Would you rather endlessly be forced to prove your worth or never have the opportunity to prove your worth? I stopped trying several years ago. In a few years I’ll be just under 100k/ year. But I work 6-6 6 days a week. If I don’t have a family to provide for I don’t need all this money. I could work McDonald’s and cover my damn bills. When I started here I was 7 days a week for a year and a half without days off. If that effort up till now isn’t enough to qualify me at the start line then I said fuck women. The media can be right or wrong but idc. All I care about is women have proven to me to be superficial cheaters. Why would a man put effort into women when all they see from women is the dregs? You claim to be the “better half” but isn’t it true people tend to spin storied to fit their own narrative? So I've seen personally the worst and only hear about the better side of women that’s more than likely just false narrative. Do you expect dating to get better if that’s the experience for even a large % of men?

[Justneedtokno]

@VanillaSalt no one was accusing your specific porn. But it is a misrepresentation of women. Guys don’t shoot their shot anymore. They give into fear or whatever it may be and like I say we try to do what we can what what we got. It’s OK like you said dating is a struggle on both sides. It’s not if you’re only get expecting supermodels and porn stars. But then you get mad at us for wanting stability. Especially if we’ve been maintaining our own jobs and houses on her own

[VanillaSalt]

I don’t think you’ve been seeing what I’ve been typing if that’s why you think “im” mad. im mad because all my effort and im still overlooked by every woman out there. Standards? Your standards say I don’t measure up. Damn straight I’m mad. I make double the income of the average woman in the states triple if you include bonuses. How you going to tell me I’m not enough when that’s what your complaining about is being upset over?

[Justneedtokno]

@VanillaSalt wait being overlooked and putting yourself out there has nothing to do with women having a hard time with men. There is trash out there on both ends. One is either fuck boys or you get slut sore you gay guys that wanna act good but they’re not because they’re cheaters and then you have the guys that I just know good and then the ones that wall up and leave you once they get to a certain level in life. Or have kids with you and leave you with them never to be heard from again.

And I can only explain that money is not enough. you have women they make their own money. I want certain things. You cannot blame a woman that was taught by their fathers not to rely on a man. And like y’all always say it shouldn’t be left up to the man to do every single thing.

[VanillaSalt]

Incorrect. Many guys feel overlooked and that women don’t want them thus they don’t put forth the effort not only to improve but also to look for good wives choosing to play video games and ignore society. It has everything to do with the struggles women face now.

And I think I’ve noticed what you speak about as well. The hypocrisy. As fathers we want the best for our children to hell with what benefits society but we often overlook what benefits society also benefits our children. It’s like the freedom vs safety argument. For the sake of our daughters we want them to be self sufficient but for the sake of our sons we want them to rely on their husbands.

If you find a good man whom puts you first is putting him first and doing things like home making and childbearing so bad? Even at the cost of your careers? I hear so many ways of looking at it. He puts her first she puts him first… their two people with 2 lives that come together to help during hard times… a relationship is both sides fighting to get what they want and sacrificing as little as possible…

I think the sad thing is both sides want to be cared about and in looking for someone to care they get hurt because both sides are already callused over so bad from previous relationships they can’t care.

[VanillaSalt]

For instance I have been hurt a lot and don’t trust or even like women as a whole. But where women should be trying to show me a different kind of woman worth pursuing I get comments like who hurt you, or oh another woman hater, or name called words like incel, bitter, and downright treated like shit.

Women supposedly are these independent, strong, capable leaders but a leader don’t step on people they think are beneath them they help them rise. I’ve seen a few on here and in my day to day life but their 1/100 and with such low odds they might as well not even exist. But you expect men to remain strong and confident when literally 70% of men under 30 are virgins that have never had a date?

[Justneedtokno]

@VanillaSalt
I I do agree with you about the leader thing but not all are like that. Again the question was about the girls have it easier in dating and we don’t we’re just the same we get hurt we get run over we’ve gotten used we’ve gotten left with children that we have to provide for. And then we get called use and fat ugly and mistreated so we’re all in the same boat honestly. We get all men haters and bitter salty arrogant pompous golddiggers whores. And more.

[VanillaSalt]

Dear god your so wrong. If you and I went out right now dropped our standards and looked for a date who would find one first? Quality don’t matter. Beyond that you pick your partners. You literally say no when someone don’t meet your standards.

[Justneedtokno]

@VanillaSalt I didn’t say anything. But you guys act like men don’t have standards either. Then you get on us for having them. Sir like I said it’s slim pickings on both ends.

[VanillaSalt]

See the problem with your argument is… me. I take home 60k/yr with covid cutting my hours… I go to the gym and keep busy with family. I’m a leader, a teacher, and a hard worker, nvm that despite that I hate all of humanity I’m actually quite empathetic to the suffering of others… and yet I fail to meet women’s basic standards. But I’ll agree my standards are through the roof. I expect her to respect me and herself. This means take care of herself and not be excessively fat, personal hygiene, be active… I do expect her to be able to take on life herself but not want to instead making use of my strong body to handle the hard shit. I’m asking quite a lot out of women these days arnt I -.-

If I’m like me there’s gotta be others out there like me… the reason I’ve failed is obvious in my end. I’m limited to online dating. I work 6-6 6 days a week average. Sometimes 5 days sometimes 7. I spent 1 1/2 years working 7 days a week… so that means it’s up to women to dig and find men that are more but they keep choosing the trash then complain the quality of men. They ignore the good men then complain more men arnt willing to be better for them.

[VanillaSalt]

Sry I make 50k not 60.

[Justneedtokno]

@VanillaSalt but you not on trial here. It’s wonderful you have those things. We are not talking about we are talking about the Dating scene. It’s not all about money.

[VanillaSalt]

We are talking about the dating scram from a mans point of view. Here watch this and understand.

https://youtu.be/zyCVMmuPjxM

[Justneedtokno]

@VanillaSalt Again I thought this was about women point of you

[VanillaSalt]

“… girls have it easier getting dates than guys.” How could you possibly know that without understanding the difficulties guys face? You have to understand both the woman’s and man’s point of view and what they face that’s unique to their gender to answer this question. The grass is always greener on the other side because values for a man and woman are different. Hell the values between t we I women are like night and day so the values between the sexes must be like heaven and hell… I don’t think that I’m explaining this effectively. Maybe if you watch the video I posted from a woman’s mouth you’ll understand better.

Also understand we’re not talking about who has it easier dating but who has it easier GETTING dates. We need to consider the unique challenges for each gender for getting a date. Excluding extra details like the quality of the date or the success/failure rate, just looking at the difficulty acquiring the date and considering what effects the difficulty of it is all you should consider and from both the male and female perspective. If I want to understand something I oversimplify the problem then add in individual details and see how it affects the argument.

[Justneedtokno]

@VanillaSalt you’re adding to the question. I understand it may be hard for you but it’s also hard for us to OK that’s the simple point blank of it all. Not into detail of whatever is going on it’s just hard on both ends. Just like guys don’t like every single girl girls don’t like every single guy. And we’re not talking about lowering standards because then we would also be talking about self-worth to if you believe you’re worthy of whores and sluts and shit then that’s good for you but we may not want that players fuck boys cheaters multiple kids were different baby mamas guys that don’t even take care of their mother let alone their grandmother. I’m not targeting you we are making a general assumption about the situation. This is also the popcorn generation where everybody wants things so instant and don’t take time to actually get to know people. Or they just want sex and hop off and go to the next person. Things are valued anymore and this is what we have to deal with on both ends

[VanillaSalt]

Your not wrong however the question OP posted was who has it easier not who has it hard.

Also you can lower your standards without dating a gang banger. For example with my background I hit at least 3-4 major things in most every woman’s list. So then why am I single… likewise if your cute, loving, and self sufficient why are you single? If neither of us are lying about our qualities and are honest about what we want then it makes no sense. Unless we’re lying to ourselves or others there only other possibility is our value of ourselves and the men/women we chose isn’t what we think. I think the issue is men don’t try hard enough and women overvalue themselves. In your case you might want the 8 guy but being only a 6 are you really what he wants? I suspect women want these higher quality men that are better then them then get upset when these men find better. Because they think they deserve this not only do they get disappointed by men over and over but they ignore other men they feel are beneath them. 2 problems with this… then only see bad men so they think most men are bad and men never get attention so they don’t care to improve. Afterall working a 9-5 gives you enough money to stack for retirement, pay the bills, and sit on your ass gaming all the time so why would guys say go to the gym, ask women out, learn more languages, travel, etc? This lowers the quality of guys even further. I’m telling you this from personal experience…

I can tell you why these problems exist if you’re willing to listen and try to understand. But when I speak nobody listens… Too many people know better and wants someone to fix their problems or to vent without being told a solution… you know like women do. This problem isn’t fixed by one side. I work on myself to be better… so I’m clinging that 10 ft wall women want me to scale to win their approval mind up I’m doing it for myself not to attract women… but you women won’t even reach a hand down to help pull me up the last 2 feet…

[Justneedtokno]

@VanillaSalt
Easy for me just don’t really put myself out there or don’t understand the whole dating process.. I don’t trust a lot of people because I’m not trying to get myself hurt. There are too many things going wrong in the past to just go ahead first in a situation. Plus the question says True or false, girls have it easier when it comes to getting dates than guys? Honestly if you’re not model , Fin and a bunch other unrealistic things in someways you’re not gonna fit in or get a date. That’s just plain truth
Thin and a bunch other unrealistic things in someways you’re not gonna fit in or get a date. That’s just plain and simple

[VanillaSalt]

I don’t think that’s right. My ex wasn’t exactly a model. She dated like 4 or 5 guys over the last 10-15 years. That woman was… well she’s fat. Like 400 lbs fat. She was a good person other than being a cheating whore…

[Justneedtokno]

@VanillaSalt No matter how much society grows into its new shell or whatever we still have to deal with the same problems that were happening back then just covered up now. And I said cheaters

[VanillaSalt]

Technically it was emotional cheating. She stalled an ex which was unacceptable even still but since she’s not changing him I stuck around… but I don’t trust anyone much less women. 53% of marriage ends in divorce 80% of them are filed by women and 90% of the time is men paying alimony. Marriage is a bad deal for men period. That makes it even harder for me. What woman wants to date a man without any intention of marriage? But I’m sorry the government has no ducking say in my relationship… when you leave you lose the money i commit to the relationship. In return I won’t leave. I’m exceptionally flexible with putting up with women’s bullshit. I’ve left women for cheating on my with the deed before but other than that I can’t think of much not worth making an effort to overcome.

[Justneedtokno]

@VanillaSalt well with that being said and you don’t trust us why do you I want a relationship with a woman then? And I’m not saying you’re women bashing or anything but I don’t understand

[VanillaSalt]

You’ve referred to yourself when talking these points multiple times including “there are some of use that are still traditionalists and want to be asked out by a man.” So why do you want a man when you “don’t trust a lot of people.”

I don’t think anyone really trust others. They put themselves out there because they alternative is living and dying alone.

[VanillaSalt]

I want children. Always have. I used to want a wife but these days I wouldn’t complain about having just s a child… at least I wouldn’t if I didn’t consider raising a child as a single parent equivalent to abuse…

Also. Who really knows what they will do until the time comes. People are shit I hate women but I also hate men… everyone’s just wrong these days so cruel and selfish. I think everyone gets a basic respect for being a living creature… but then individuals can actually earn real respect like my grandfather did mine. I don’t just respect everyone like I did him. I think that a woman would have to earn that respect from me to be worthy of spending my life with and even considering marriage. But I still wouldn’t marry because it’s not solely because of women I don’t marry. It’s got more to do with the government and marriage laws…

[Justneedtokno]

@VanillaSalt And yet if a woman says it especially on this site we’re unfit it’s not right to be a single parent without a man and all the stuff. I never said that I didn’t want to man though and not trust them enough to date I just haven’t been asked out

[Justneedtokno]

Especially by the right person

[VanillaSalt]

Saying what makes a woman unfit?

Also. If I could start over right now knowing what i know I’m still not sure ide be able to be what women are after. Ide have already grabbed a girl early that’s for sure… before their all promiscuous nature came out…

You did say I don’t trust easily. And if you don’t date men you don’t trust your limit your options substantially. Do you think men only ask when it they trust? Na they gotta step up and “be a man” putting themselves out there to be judged by the women in public. Women say what’s the worst she can say no? Lol. I’ve heard ew. I’ve also been yelled at in a crowded supermarket for holding the freezer door open and saying excuse me… I’ve also been accused falsely of sexual assault… yet I still gotta put myself out there or I’ll never see success…maybe it’s time you women did the same.

[LeaveMeSortaAlone]

Yeah if we want to get laid not get married haha

[yofuknutz]

And what would you know about that

[anylolone]

On average, considering the number of dates, both have the same chances.
As a mean, women have more chances.

[Archerer]

I mean yes probably but I wonder how many of the dates are worth it.

[msc545]

A girl can get a date (and sex) by walking into a bar or stoping at a stoplight. Men cannot do this.

[Chthou95]

Of course it's easier for them. Men have to do the most work in dating to get anywhere while women can just pick & choose who they want and don't want

[rachel776]

i would say that's true

[Anonymous]

Yes women have it easier because guys stupidly accepted the thirsty simp approaching role 70, 80 years ago

[Peuples_Francs]

Somehow I doubt men were simps in 1940-50.

[Hispanic-Cool-Guy]

Generally true. Getting dates isn't hard, it's hard getting dates from beautiful women though.

[SpaceGalaxy]

All she needs to do is bend over and guys will line up asking her out

[Twalli]

Not all girls than all guys, but overall girls have it easier

[Anonymous]

Yes, women can get dates easier because men view dates as an open door for sex, which is why women get asked on dates more frequently.

[Anonymous]

False. Check your math dude--you'll see that isn't possible.

[UnknownGagsUser]

Yeah women always have it easy.

[MCheetah]

You are too f*cking based to be a woman and drop this truth bomb.

[ChrisMaster69]

I think both struggle for quality dates.

[Rangers]

Yes, it's not even close

[MzAsh]

Absolutely yes

[TexasRed95]

I think it's the same but for different reasons.

[gag2021]

Especially if they are attractive!

[TrgZila]

That is biology, dude

[Anonymous]

we can get dates easily but guys don't commit!!!

[Chthou95]

He didn't include commitment though

[KellyKOO]

100% true.

[es20490446e]

No doubt about it.

[pink_and_inlove]

I think so

[carlova]

I think yes

[Kevhanma]

Sex yes
Dates no

[Fuentes]

Of course they do

[Slim57]

Of course

[RyanS2005]

True