Are doctors out of a nurses' league?

[Haha456]

in terms of dating? because according to data, doctors are no longer marrying nurses like they used to

[CrazyGirl2]

I’m sure that stat has more to do with HR depts. restricting relationships between employees when one employee is in a position of authority or power like doctors are to nurses. But out of their league? You’ve GOT to be kidding me! My mother’s Emergency Department/Trauma Center, has some unbelievably drop-dead gorgeous female nurses, as well as some male nurse hunks, and they have some ugly AF male doctors, I would say that THOSE female nurses are WAY out of the league of the ugly male doctors! Also, your question appears to assume that nurses are all female while the doctors are all male. While nursing is still predominately female dominated, medicine is increasingly becoming a female dominated profession. With more women than men being admitted to medical school every year. Look at my mom, she not only served in combat, she is the head of emergency medicine at a major trauma center.

[Haha456]

statistics show doctors tend to marry doctors. they no longer marry nurses any more. so just wondering if nurses are now out of their league

[CrazyGirl2]

Yes, I did understand your question, I’m not sure where you are getting your data as you failed to include any sources whatsoever. But regardless, my answer does not change. If doctors are no longer marrying nurses, I'm am sure that the HR policies which forbid such relationships have way more to do with it than anything else. You also seem to be equating “league” with the amt of money they earn. As I said, there are PLENTY of gorgeous nurses, but not too many even decent looking doctors. Also you seem to be under the misapprehension that nurses WANT to marry doctors? Most of the nurses I know who work with my physician mother, tell me they can’t stand the doctors, there which is why they love my mom so much b/c she isn’t a megalomaniac with a napoleon complex, like the rest of them! So AGAIN, I will say that the young beautiful nurses I know, are WAY out of the league of the elderly trolls who are practicing medicine as doctors. These nurses do not WANT to marry doctors, and IF they did, they would have to marry doctors who practice at OTHER hospitals, because THEIR hospital does not allow physicians to date staff members who are outranked by doctors. (Meaning nurses)! Why is this so difficult to grasp? My mother is a doctor who is the head of emergency medicine. Every year on “take your daughter to work day”, I spent the day in the ER. When I could drive at 16, I would frequently go to the hospital to see If my mom wanted to go to lunch or something, if she was busy, I would usually go to lunch with some nurses. I’ve been hanging out w/ nurses for as long as I can remember. Nurses don’t want to Mary doctors because they don’t like doctors, and when a young handsome doctor shows up every now and then, he’ll usually just try to fuck his way through the entire female nursing staff until one of them sues him, which is why they put a stop to it by banning doctors from dating lower level medical employees (like nurses). See?

[Haha456]

despite HR policies, its actually very common for people to find their spouses at work.

[Haha456]

www.businessinsider.com/who-youre-most-likely-to-marry-based-on-your-occupation-2016-11

[CrazyGirl2]

Jesus! Nobody, I repeat NOBOBY said anything about nobody meets their spouse at work. My god, EVEN your own source states that female nurses are most likely to marry male nurses, NOT DOCTORS! Did you even read it, or just the headline? And I VERY SPECIFICALLY wrote (based upon my knowledge of my mother being both a doctor, AND a department head) that many US Hospitals, prohibit relationships between DOCTORS and the NURSES who work under their supervision! NOT Nurses, and OTHER nurses, THAT”S IT! And they do so because of all the lawsuits that result when they break up and the Doctor does not want to see his EX at work all day, so they transfer the nurse or fire her! To solve that issue, the have a rule (and I will make this as simple as possible (No more fuky fuky the nurses) simple enough for you?) Nurses, date other nurses because there is not and MASSIVE imbalance of power, like there is with nurses and doctors. I have friends who are nurses, my mother is a doctor, trust me on THIS I actually know what I’m talking about!
Maybe READ you own sources next time, and that MIGHT clear it up for you!

[Haha456]

that rule is BS. I dont believe it.

[Haha456]

I work at a few hospitals. I've never ever heard of that rule.

[CrazyGirl2]

Jesus whatever 🙄 Look, literally the article I looked at.: www.ajc.com/.../ In the second to last paragraph “Most nurses don’t report to doctors, but if there’s any supervisory role between you and your honey, you may be violating a rule regarding supervisors dating subordinates." In that article it listed Nurses are more likely to date nurses, nurses date EMTs, nurses date cafeteria personnel, nurses date custodial staff more than they date doctors. While is does happen it is very rare and getting more rare given the amount of female doctors graduating medical school outnumbers males. And while men are willing to date people earning less, women are not, preferring to date high earners like themselves, such as other doctors, lawyers etc. and that MALE nurses are more likely to date male doctors, than female RN’s are. And if you have HONESTLY never heard of corporate rules against dating people you directly supervise… I have NO idea what to say to you! 🤦‍♀️🙄

[CrazyGirl2]

Oh you work at a hospital? Then go to your HR dept and ask “hey can I date employees that I supervise?” When the laughing stops, you’ll see just how fast they will plop you butt in a sexual harassment seminar!

[Haha456]

I have heard about direct supervisors or direct management not being allowed to date subordinates. But you need to understand that a nurse can date a doctor from another department or a former physician coworker. Just because you aren't dating someone from your own floor, it doesn't mean that you can't be dating someone from within your own hospital.

Secondly take a look at the data. its show that male physicians and surgeons are marrying male registered nurses. But male physicians and surgeons aren't marrying female nurses.

That just puzzled me.

[CrazyGirl2]

Yes, that’s what I’ve been trying to say, that as a rule nurses (female) do NOT marry doctors. Obviously in a country of 320 million, it’s going to happen, but just not NEARLY even close to the degree people think. I even asked my mom, and she said in her entire career she knew of one male doctor who was married to a female RN. It was a neurologist and he was married to the RN who worked in his office. It was before she graduated medical school, and she has not met another Dr who married a RN since. Now she DID say that when she was deployed in the Middle East… and then I stopped her, because I really don’t want to know what my mom did before I was born. But I gather that a lot of married people fucked, because they were in a combat zone, and people fuck for comfort and company in combat zones. But they don’t marry each other.

[Haha456]

I'm a firm believer that many people do end up marrying those from their work environments even though it is taboo. I know people from the police department and policemen marry policewomen all the time. It happens A LOT.

But your response does not really answer the question of why male doctors are no longer marrying nurses like they used to. Back in the 1950s, so many doctors were marrying nurses. Nowadays, it simply doesn't happen anymore. Even male doctors are marrying male nurses. But male doctors are not marrying female nurses.

Nurses are now marrying police officers and firefighters. Maybe it has to do with a class issue? Maybe doctors know they can do better than a nurse?

[CrazyGirl2]

Im sorry, but I just completely reject the premise “they can do better than a nurse”. It is the nurses who do not want to marry doctors! Dr’s are unpleasant (many of them), most have a God complex, and they work terribly unpredictable and inconvenient (for raising a family) schedules! Doctors are not marrying as many nurses as they did in the 1950’s because:
1) HR rules make it difficult, if not impossible.
2) While the number of female nurses decreased 9%, the number of FEMALE Dr’s has skyrocketed to a point where we now outnumber men graduating medical schools, in the last decade.
3) Nursing is MUCH more respected as a highly skilled, and education based profession now vs 1950’s, therefor nurses can more than afford to live a great life, earning an average $85,208/yr in 2021(41.26/hr avg hourly pay x 2080 wk hrs/yr) Source: www.indeed.com/career/registered-nurse/salaries .
4) Nurses don’t need a “doctor’s salary” to provide security for their future children, and are finding better, more suitable husbands who more closely align with their beliefs. Also they have a desire for younger, better looking, less demanding, husbands who are NOT doctors!
While I can clearly see you are having difficulty comprehending that nurses would actually prefer to not marry a physician, it is none the less true. The fact is, most nurses simply do not WANT to marry physicians. Even if he’s young and attractive, with the difficulties of dating a supervisory staff physician in todays #HrCraziness, and it’s just not worth the hassle. Now some will work through that, but most can’t be bothered! Now that may be difficult for you to understand or believe, nevertheless it is no less true. Just because @Haha456 thought it was the doctors who decided that THEY didn't want to marry a young beautiful intelligent woman earning close to $90,000 per/yr, which would lower any future child support obligations compared to marrying a young beautiful waitress, does not make it any less true.

[Haha456]

HR is not really an excuse. Because you don't need to necessarily date someone who is your direct management. There is a rule in the police department too where subordinates cannot date their superiors. But police officers marry each other all the time. Supervisors, sergeants, captains can very well be dating a lower ranking officer from another precinct. Or nurses can date a doctor from another department or former coworker doctors. Don't naively assume that people must only date from their unit. There are tons of different units in a hospital.

And secondly, you might see nurses as smart, intelligent, professional. But it might appear differently in the eyes of people who are significantly more brilliant and a receive a lifetime extra worth of training.

You'd be crazy to say that nurses don't want doctors. Vast majority of women are drawn to wealth and prestige. 90k isn't that much , after our ridiculously high taxes, and insane cost of living

[Haha456]

My guess is that medical schools are flooded with females. Compared to the old days where there were probably only 2 female students in med school.

why date a female nurse when you can get a female doctor who is just as attractive?

[KrakenAttackin]

So marry the guy who cleans the toilets.

[Haha456]

@KrakenAttackin

maybe you should marry a 59 yr old woman

[CrazyGirl2]

@KrakenAttackin The source I posted LITERALLY says that nurses are more likely to want to marry custodial, or maintenance workers than they are Nurses.

[CrazyGirl2]

OMG, you just completely dismissed the fact that it’s the NURSES who don’t want to marry the doctors! Any woman should understand that our priorities are NOT the same as men, we don’t think “Why date a nurse when you can date a doctor,” when someone has already told you, that it’s the nurses who don’t want to marry Doctors. Also for the love of God, STOP comparing nurses marrying doctors, with cops marrying OTHER cops. Maybe cops get along with cops, most nurses can’t stand the mostly arrogant OLD pricks! So clearly you are ignoring facts, and just want to push YOUR beliefs on a question YOU ASKED US to answer! Why ask a question if you are just going to argue with anyone who disputes your preconceived notions of why the marriage rate between nurses and doctors has dropped since the ‘50s. Jesus in the ‘50s women BECAME nurses with the HOPE that they might marry a doctor. Todays nurses DO NOT become nurses to “hopefully” marry a doctor… That is unbelievably demeaning! We ARE most of the new doctors in the west FFS! If you cannot understand that, I have zero idea what the hell to tell you. Also, and help me out here… how would a nurse MEET a friggin doctor who works in a completely different department, on a completely different floor, in a completely different wing of the hospital to her? Just troll the halls looking for white lab-coats? That is so disrespectful to the nurses, as if they are JUST there to “land them a high-payed doctor”! I can’t believe another woman would be SO disrespectful of an entire career field dominated by women, that you would reduce it down to “Doctors can do better than nurses” when every published data suggests that it’s the nurses who do not want to be married to doctors, and the economic freedom their relatively high salaries provide merely reinforces that fact that they no longer need the financial security a doctor’s salary once provided! Unbelievable… Just unbelievable!

[KrakenAttackin]

Yeah I guess the toilet cleaner has already had you.

[Haha456]

@CrazyGirl2

there was no link that you posted on here. My link from business insider says female nurses are most likely to marry other nurses or male managers

[Haha456]

@KrakenAttackin

nurses tend to marry other nurses or male managers

[Akam93]

Some doctors are seriously hot. But I dont think there out of nurses league.

[Haha456]

most of them aren't hot. they're just big time nerds.

[Akam93]

Ok. Well at my hospitals some are worth drooling over. Lol

[Red_Arrow]

Doctors have far more education and understand the theory of how the body works better. However, nurses spend more time with the patients and see much more of the patient's manners and hears more of their complaints, so usually catch more problems than the doctor. Often, the nurses catch mistakes the doctor makes in diagnosis and in writing orders.

[Haha456]

this is common knowledge. doesn't quite answer the question

[Anonymous]

Doctors are assholes.

[Haha456]

thats actually true.

[Opinion Owner]

Yeah I have trouble trusting them and they always seem arrogant.

[Haha456]

its more that they're just giant pricks than being untrustworthy. but yea... i can totally see how some of them are untrustworthy. remember, the doctor is not there to help you. they are there to bill you

[Opinion Owner]

And if it ever gets to a point where you're old and keeping you alive, and getting you airlifted to a better hospital in a city is starting to cost too much, they will make the decision that it's time for you to die.
I watched a doctor do that with my grandmother and my father. They saved them a few times then decided it was getting to be too much money and effort and let them die basically.
I learned how public healthcare can be a scary thing sometimes because they look at you like an investment. When it's no longer cost effective to keep you alive, doctor death will sedate you, tell the family you're fucked, and go for a coffee break.

[Haha456]

actually its not the doctors that are making that decision, its hospital management.
hospitals understaff nurses on purpose in order to save money. and when nurses are understaffed, you can die from that. nurses have been complaining about this for years. Nothing has been resolved

[Haha456]

when a doctor makes a mistake, the nurse gets shoved under the bus, stripped of her license, fired. why? because doctors rake in revenue for the hospital. nurses are just another expense. its all about the money.

[Datboi65]

If you ask me, it makes sense. Relationships in the work environment need to be professional, and dating your colleagues to me seems inappropriate, ESPECIALLY in an environment where other people's lives are dependent on your work.

[Haha456]

you might not believe it but a lot of people meet their spouses at work environment. Police officers marry each other all the time.

[Datboi65]

I'm sorry, but medicine is a completely different field to those. Co-operation is needed in high stress situations, and I just cannot see a broken up couple being as professional as 2 colleagues who have never dated before. I'm going to reiterate that especially in this field, professionalism is *high* important.

Can you date nurses as a doctor? Sure, but she MUST be from a different hospital.

[TrueConfection]

I suspect that number is down because hospitals have turned into reality tv / soap operas. Women don't demand marriage before sex anymore.

[AmeerX]

Sex before marriage has turned all girls into a race to get picked. If one woman doesn't have sex she is ostracized and doesn't get picked as easily. Too bad actually

[Haha456]

no one was talking about marriage.

[TrueConfection]

@AmeerX Sad, but true.

[TrueConfection]

@haha456 Maybe my eyes deceive me, but marriage is right there in your question. 👀

[Haha456]

@TrueConfection

sex before marriage wasn't in the question.

[TrueConfection]

Answers tend to come after a question.

[AmeerX]

Even if wasn't in the question that is what's happening.

[CrazyGirl2]

You DID ask about marriage!

[Haha456]

@CrazyGirl2

when was sex before marriage ever the topic?

[AmeerX]

@Haha456 do you have someone you love? Just talk to that doctor instead of hesitating about it

[Haha456]

@AmeerX

i don't have anyone i love. Im just curious as to why doctors are no longer marrying nurses like they used to.

[AmeerX]

Well, they think they can get a beautiful doctor for themselves. So economically better choice. So, why not settle for something better.
You know we want people who are economically close to them

[loveslongnails]

I have no idea what "out of their league" means, but there's a really good reason NOT to marry a nurse if you're a doctor - schedules! You may never see each other!

[Haha456]

thats BS. if you work the same days, you can very well see each other on your days off

[loveslongnails]

You can't always make that happen until you've been on staff for a while and have some seniority. By the way, where's the data you're quoting from? Got a link or two?

[Haha456]

you can definitely have it happen. There is a severe shortage of nurses. This means that nurses can literally pick their employers rather than traditionally employers picking employees. There are so many jobs for nurses , she can work where wherever she wants.

The only time where you can't decide your days off is when you chose to stay stuck working at 1 place.

Right now the desperation for nurses is so bad that places will be happy to have a nurse work with them on any day of the week.

[Haha456]

www.businessinsider.com/who-youre-most-likely-to-marry-based-on-your-occupation-2016-11

[loveslongnails]

You're correct about that, but your link doesn't show any historic information regarding doctors marrying nurses at some point in the past, but now choosing to marry other physicians?

[Haha456]

Its common knowledge that doctors used to commonly marry nurses. if you're not aware, i really dont have to prove it to you.

[loveslongnails]

You really don't "have to" do anything, but in the course of making a statement for the purpose of a discussion, it's best not to rely on what YOU may think is "common knowledge" without data to back it up. It's not "common knowledge" like air is mostly nitrogen, or that water is H2O.

I can believe it was more prevalent in the past for the simple reason that there were far fewer female physicians, and nurses were as close as you got to being a health care professional that wasn't quite a doctor. That makes sense, but I don't know how significant the numbers are without knowing the numbers! I've found some information compiled in 2022 that says about 25% of male physicians marry other physicians, and about 11% marry some other kind of health professional.

[Haha456]

I'm not obligated prove common knowledge. Either you know it or you dont.

[Haha456]

its like proving peanut butter and jelly sandwiches exist. I don't have to prove they exist. they just do. I would question the judgement of someone who doesn't even have the faintest idea of basic common knowledge.

[loveslongnails]

Well darlin, as I said, you're not "obligated" to do anything, but my point is that your conception of "common knowledge" provides nothing for the argument you're trying to prove. You've not come CLOSE to establishing that your premise actually IS... basic common knowledge, except that you CLAIM it to be. However, the more you talk, the more haughty you sound.

For the sake of argument, let's say from 1950 to 2000, 29 doctors out of 100 married nurses, but from 2000-2022, only 25 doctors out of 100 married nurses. That's a decrease of only 4%, which hardly falls under the auspices of "no longer marrying nurses like they used to, unless that's what a 4% drop off means. In statistics, that falls within the standard deviation. BUT, the point is... YOU DON'T KNOW, because you have no DATA. All you have is your bullshit statement that "it's basic common knowledge". Come back when you have facts.

[CrazyGirl2]

“ I'm not obligated prove common knowledge. Either you know it or you dont.”. That’s a tab arrogant when YOU are asking for help?
The precise percentage of Dr’s who married nurses in the past Is not common knowledge, neither is the percentage who marry today. You assert common knowledge yet 10 percent of Drs marrying nurses is a percentage, if it was 10% in the fifties, but now its 9.5% While that IS fewer doctors marrying nurses… But it’s hardly a statistical anomaly! You have yet to provide anything that even suggests it’s an issue?

[CrazyGirl2]

@loveslongnails AMEN! 💯. “She” is nothing more than a contrarian, arguing both sides of the issue. Whatever someone says, “she” finds an argument with their assertion… SOMEWHERE!
#NotWorthTheEffort

[Haha456]

@loveslongnails

data that you made up in your sleep does not count as proof. ok?

i wouldn't trust your judgement if you're not aware of the basic common knowledge that doctors used to date nurses all the time in the 1950s

[Haha456]

@CrazyGirl2

you're a crazy girl who knows nothing but claims to know everything.

your username fits you well. crazy girl

[CrazyGirl2]

Oh no! Seriously? An ad hominem attack? You know Socrates, dealt with this issue thousands of years ago when he brilliantly stated “When the debate is lost, slander becomes the tool of the loser.”

[loveslongnails]

Except that I did some research, and there's not a lot of it. I didn't bother linking you because I knew you wouldn't look at it. It would be like trying to teach a pig to sing - it's a waste of my time and it just annoys the pig. CrazyGirl2 is spot on, and not simply because she and I agree. In FACT, I even agree with your statement to the point where it's likely to be fewer Dr/Nurse marriages today, but as CrazyGirl2 says, it's not a statistical anomaly since there are no statistics.

And thank you for showing how shoddy your premise REALLY is by saying "... If you're not aware of the basic common knowledge that doctors used to DATE nurses all the time in the 1950s". DATE nurses hmmm? Let's say they did - that doesn't mean they MARRIED THEM, does it? And since you have NO DATA to offer, you've got nothing.

The only point you DID succeed in making is showing how a woman 11 years your junior can be smarter, kinder, more logical, more sensible and more articulate than yourself. I believe we're done here, CG2.

[CrazyGirl2]

I whole-heartedly agree with that sentiment, LLN! I also really thank you for your very kind words. 😊

[loveslongnails]

@CrazyGirl2 You deserve them, and I Love a girl who can quote Socrates! Nicely done.

[CrazyGirl2]

Thanks sweetie, especially for the Socrates props!

[SteveSmith1985]

No. Don't be silly.

[UniquelyBasic]

In terms of looks or money?

[Haha456]

in terms of prestige

[KrakenAttackin]

Nurses are serious hoes.

[Haha456]

why? you think we'd be more attracted to a broke, poor , bitter loser like you over some rich doctor?

[KrakenAttackin]

I have banged my share of nurses in years past. The doctors only use you as cum dumpsters because they know how loose nurses are.

[KrakenAttackin]

Like it or not, you know what I am saying is true.

[Haha456]

sorry i hurt your feelings. but nurses will never be attracted to broke poor men like you.
im pretty sure you couldn't bang anyone which is why you're always soo bitter and jaded

[KrakenAttackin]

Say what you want to feel better about yourself but you know what I am saying is true.

[Haha456]

there is data that shows nurses are marrying other nurses and male managers, not broke poor scum like you

[KrakenAttackin]

Marrying, whatever... Nurses are still hoes. You know this.

[whirled_up_girl]

@KrackAttackin Not true in my case either, I don't do hook-ups and usually date a guy for weeks or sometimes even months before I have sex.

[KrakenAttackin]

@whirled_up_girl "Weeks or months before having sex"... yeah, if he is a beta simp. When Chad strolls in there is a sonic boom as your panties hit the floor.

[whirled_up_girl]

@KrakenAttackin So by your logic being a hoe is a good thing, because clearly not being a hoe is a bad thing? And no I've never been interested in Chads. If being a Chad means only being interested in hook-ups, then forget it. I only date decent men, something you apparently don't know a thing about. In fact maybe you're a Chad, since you've "banged your share of nurses in the past" and somehow this makes them the hoes.

[AmeerX]

Don't believe the data

[Furious_Revelation19]

I am not sure if there really are leagues

[roy_ricky09]

Data source please?