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Most men do NOT want this - many are vehemently against it, in fact - but there are a few who do. They tend to be submissive men who want the female to lead the relationship, though, and in my experience, the women in these relationships isn't really happy in most cases.
You have been taught by (an extremely Feminist) society to BECOME the man that you want to be with, instead of to become the WOMAN such a man would want to be with. Feminism - which is everywhere and woven throughout the media and society - has been teaching women to behave like men and to adopt male-oriented goals, and while this is fine for women throughout their 20s, when they're still physically attractive and their youth makes them desirable, once they hit 30 or so, masculine women tend to be unable to get a relationship (they can still attract men for casual sex if they're physically attractive, but such men won't commit), and this makes most women very unhappy, lonely, and resentful.
What's worse is that this was done to women INTENTIONALLY, in an effort to prevent relationships between men and women. The radical Feminists who have led the Feminist movement - who are avowed Marxists - DESPISE the fact that women are designed to work WITH men and are happiest that way, and specifically set about to destroy the nuclear family. That's not conjecture - they've said so, in speeches or in writing - many times.
https://nikitaccoulombe.medium.com/why-feminism-wants-to-dismantle-the-family-long-4695d45bcf88
Feminism has convinced women to trade having a family and being able to stay at home and raise her children (and be cared and provided for by her husband) for the prospect of working a job outside the home for 40 years. Even more concerning is that women generally only have a small fraction of the retirement savings that men provide, because women tend to spend nearly everything they earn, mostly on consumer goods and travel, when left to their own devices. So women who have no husband or children will be on their own in their old age, dependent completely on their ability to PAY strangers to care for them when they're unable to care for themselves, and most do not have anywhere close to the amount of money needed to retire, much less pay for personal care. But by the time most women are old enough to figure this out, it's FAR too late to do anything about it, and few people - few younger women especially - are interested in hearing their warnings.
You are free to live your life as you see fit, obviously, but at the very least, choose your path in life with your eyes open, and with a full understanding of the likely consequences of your decisions, and take responsibility for the choices that you make, rather than complain about them or expecting others to bail you out. Unfortunately, most women, when they realize they've put themselves in a terrible position, expect the government (i. e., taxpayers) to bail them out, and that's not sustainable, especially with the massively reduced birthrate that's happening now. There simply won't be enough workers to tax to pay for this, and millions of women will be completely on their own - many will be living in the streets.
Nothing you described is masculine energy, it’s independent energy
under this description, I’d say I relate,
but otherwise I wouldn’t call it masculine or feminine..
that just fuels the gender wars.
What you’re doing is simply SURVIVING and living in a modern societal world.
What you earn shouldn’t relate to who you fuck or marry. That’s something else that’s all based on arousal purely- not what’s in the pockets.
A good handful of men do and a good handful of men don’t like a woman who can simply take care of herself.
They want to keep bedroom talk going out the bedroom-
dominating and being the one to influence the lives.
They want an inferior so they can feel superior.
Women wanted equality. Is there equality in the male comprehension for their “hierarchy” and alpha males?
Any wonder why “alpha males” would be AGAINST equality?
I’m not even talking about privilege- I’m talking about making sure the country thrives as a whole.
If someone is willing to work then let them make something of themselves, damn it!
can’t fantasize all day, gotta eat at some point, amirite?
So that’s why family men would be the first to get this.
Not just family men because someone like Dwayne Johnson, wouldn’t mind a lady who MADE something of herself, nor would he be threatened by that
because he can socialize and carry conversation with her when it matters, and he can have his way in the bedroom with her if he would like that because all is fair for couples in the bedroom.
If you find men I don't know.. HATING you for you taking care of yourself? You gotta find the mature men who aren’t struggling to take care of THEMSELVES.
I say keep goin’ sis and just live your life.
It’s just too short, in all honesty.
a guess some men do some men dont but am not a man but i wouldn't like a women with way to much muscles good energy but not loads of muscle it looks weird fit cool but looking like a man with to much muscle yuck🤮but thats my opinion and am a curvy girl iam feminine but not to feminine as in a dont act like a petite barbie doll you know those kind of girls that think oh iam a women i can't rifft oh iam women i can't lightly pimp incase my guy things am not plastic or women like enough fk that yes iam a girl i wear girls clothes trackys but in a way am a kinda tomboy have been from i was young i hung out with boys girls to but i do dress more like a women now av grown up but have the tomboy in me a tiny bit but i recan yeah i mite rifft a little sometimes but its not like i mean it it just comes out or maybe even a tiny pimp i recan if a guy can do it so can i take this advice be who you wanna be but if i was a guy not to much muscle on a women it looks weird nd not my kinda a women no way
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Some men are okay with masculine women. It doesn't work for me though. There often is a clash. A woman is supposed to be the feminine opposite of a man, so when you have two masculine partners (and the same would apply with two feminine partners), there's going to be friction especially in emotional areas.
A man wants a woman who can support him emotionally when he's in that kind of moment, not a woman who treats him like he's a "girl" or wants to laugh derisively at his frustrations - which these things are what a lot of women do because they have masculine energy and want to control men.
And a man wants to be a leader in a relationship, not have a feminist-minded woman who wants all the power and dominance in it.
These are largely the problems with today's women. An excessive need to have power and control over or above men, hence masculine energy that causes conflict.
Yes very much so ,,, feminine men love it.
Not so much. Feminine is what we like.
1) “Im very rational and I go by facts“
You don’t go by facts and you’re not very rational. I’ve seen you peddle all sorts of left wing propaganda.
2) “I tend to come off “aggressive” if told im wrong.”
You tend to be aggressive when you are literally PROVEN wrong with evidence.
3) “I can be very impatient”
Yeah because the last thing we all want is a screaming b*tch to deal with.
4) “My biggest want in life is money”
Because money is more important than family after all. Selfish b*tch.
5) “Most women want a family and kids, I just want to be financially stable!”
Pick the right man and you will be financially stable.
This is all just about you either wanting a weak man you can control or a guy you can financially use.
You’ve said it yourself already. Money for yourself is your motivator.
You don’t care about helping other people, raising a family or advancing the interests of humanity in any way.
So why would any guy want you?
Your loyalty doesn’t mean sh*t to us when it’s built upon us doing all these things for you.
True love is unconditional. Its not all built around “you gotta do all these things for me”
So if ever you do end up marrying, whatever delusional man chose you is gonna soon find himself in a divorce court.
But thank you for sharing. I’m sure @KrakenAttackin was very impressed by your maturity and thoughtfulness, as I have been as well.
It depends entirely on the guy. There are lots of guys that are drawn to dominant energy, like the character, Lady Dimitrescu. So many men are hella drawn to her. She’s a powerful dominant woman.
But, there are also many guys that prefer more submissive energy.
If you look at M/M or F/F couples, you often see one person as naturally more dominant and the other person as naturally more submissive.
There’s an energetic pull like Yin and Yang.
Opposites in dominant/submissive energy will naturally attract, like magnets.
So, you will naturally attract men who are less dominant than you.
But, if you want to attract dominant men, you may need to tap into your submissive side (if you have one).
My fiancée says I give off dominant energy, and at work I always find myself placed into positions of leadership, like at the current company I work at, I tripled my income in 3 months and got promoted to upper management. I’m highly driven and ambitious.
To me, women who give off a similar dominant energy as me are great to work with in terms of accomplishing tasks and completing projects. But, in terms of romantic or sexual attraction, the spark is never there. They get friend-zoned because I am instead attracted to that polarity in energy. Something inside me is just drawn to it.
Who labeled you that way? Why did you believe them?
NONE of those traits are strictly masculine. They are characteristics of a very smart and reasonable human being, whether man or woman.
You sound more like a hurt person. Naturally, we all get worked up if someone kicks us where we were hurt.
You are more rational, and factsy, and driven, and organized than others because you either had too much responsibility for your age, couldn't handle it, or were exposed to extreme situations where you felt insecure. This is all your defense mechanism. You want to feel secure with your feet on solid ground.
You also don't think about wanting kids because you don't want your future children to experience the same insecurity that you did. That's why you want to be strong and driven to be able to give them good, sound support. It is actually called a very very strong and healthy maternal instinct, which is very feminine. Only it has been over-activated because of too much difficulty.
That is what I think based on what you said about yourself. But if you feel more on the masculine side for any other reasons except the ones that you mentioned, there is still a way. There are lots of guys out there (look for ones with lots of sisters) who have a bit more feminine traits. You will match up very nicely with them if you are both aware and accepting of your truths. They usually get married later than the average marriage age for guys. You will have to pry them out of their family's clutches though. Good luck!
If you never end up feeling secure enough to have kids, then don't do it. Children are primarily the mother's responsibility.
I think some counseling could help clarify things better and faster.
Of course we like it: at least truly masculune men like it. Weak men despise it. But I think you might really be asking if we are attracted to masculine energy in women in a romantic sense, and the answer is "no."
We don't like it in that way for the same reason we don't date our guy friends. So a woman with masculine energy will get friendzoned somewhere along the way (unless guys only use her for hookups or regular sex). There is a reason gay relationships always have a more masculine one and a more feminine one. Even lesbian relationships often have a more masculine one and more feminine one.
When it comes to a masculine woman, one of 3 things will happen. Men will entirely ignore her, dislike her and conflict with her, or they will befriend her. That hold true for me and every guy I know. I generally don't notice masculine women at all, and the ones I do notice I either dislike because they are assholes acting like douchebag men because they think that's the way to get respect, or I befriend then because they are easier to communicate with than women. But I and most men can only be romantic with feminine women. The exceptions include men who are willing to string masculine women along for sex, feminine men who are attracted to what they lack, and maybe some ultra-masculine men like bikers.
It’s not a bad thing. But I notice so called “masculine” women don’t know how to push and pull the same way masculine men do.
When these women get in “a fight” they get tunnel vision that everything is their way or no way. They tend to overcompensate with aggression which is really a mix of logic and emotions (insecurity, anger).
Some women automatically assume that it’s necessary to take things a step further since they are being “discriminated” against for because of their gender. Sexism will always exist but in modern society most companies try promote women all they can to appear progressive. Mature men respect driven women when she doesn’t act like an underdog just because she’s a woman.
Masculine men are definitely goal oriented and will do what it takes to accomplish their task. But they don’t take things as personally when things don’t go their way. They look for rational methods to achieve their goal. They are good at choosing their battles. They see opportunities in setbacks. They may express negative emotions but they process it quick and get back on track.
Anyway I don’t want to make any bad assumptions about your personality. But I’ve come across so called “alpha” women who actually over reach and cause more harm than good in team environments. They don’t know how to time their aggression as well as men do.
No, men do not like women with masculine energy, to put it bluntly it gets out hackles up, women who display masculine energy often do not realise how much it rubs guys the wrong way, and everything you see as being a 'strong successful woman' turns guys off.
You say that you come off “aggressive” if told you're wrong then I suggest instead of responding immediately, you go make yourself a coffee/tea/drink of choice and let you mind mull it over and then give a response people will take it better if you show that you have given it some time and not 'just shot from the hip' as it were.
There is nothing wrong with being career oriented and money driven but you have to learn to find some balance.
You say that you can be very impatient and plan things, they do not often go together well, If you can learn to step back and check your impatience and calmly think things through you will find your planning will be more coherent.
Your profile says you are in healthcare that is a career path were coming off as “aggressive” will not further your career If you can learn to tone that down it will help you, and by that I do not mean go all mushy.
Sounds like me. You are more yang than most females. If people feel that you are too yang for their taste since you are a rational planner, that is their problem, not yours. I am a planner, have enough food in the house to cover a 6 month shutdown, etc. Yet if people think I am too man since I know how the body works, I can cook and can appreciate (and play) music, that is also their problem and not mine.
Just one comment, FWIW- If you want to be stable- financially or otherwise- consider raising a family in a state OTHER than CA. Seriously, that state is just an accident looking for a place to happen.
Well all that sounds brilliant to me , especially if you are really giving due consideration as to " how " you are going to make this serious money , I believe that if you really focus on something , with a goal and a pathway , it happens.
I did okey , BUT if I had of had todays tools at hand when I was 24 , I would have gone much harder , and all that money would have compounded and I'd be x 5 where I'm at now , I didn't know who Warren Buffet was ( few did ) equities were cumbersome to purchase , people my age sometimes say " Ohh life was great , I wouldn't change any of it " , that's bullshit to me , I'd change a plethora , and really kicked my wealth into the top 5% in Aus , and it would have all come via long term investment.
Anyhow , my answer is YES , many young guys would love your attitude.
Honestly I work in a male dominated field. I can’t say masculine energy is why I wanted this career as since I graduated I go into the class every year and tell the students about my job. For the past 4 years there has been at least one girl in the class. I’d say 2 girls were more feminine then I was and one that was more masculine. I hate playing that card and I’m not afraid to be “one of the guys”. I can be a girl outside of work. I enjoy putting on makeup, not a bunch just a little natural glow, and wearing nice clothes. Plus my dating apps show me as me, I got some nice pictures on there and one of me working so they know what they will be getting into. I have yet to meet a guy that isn’t scared of what I do. Yes I work in a male dominated field and yes I do enjoy it, don’t like me because of that? Well sorry you aren’t for me then.
The answer depends on the woman's degree of masculinity. To keep a househould running correctly for instance, I can't imagine a weak woman anyway. Since millennia women were told to be submissive, but are they really so? I'm not convinced. Neither are all men that dominant.
In a relation I like to have a relative equal balance of masculinity and feminity in both partners. A real woman with still always be a woman, with generally the capacity of getting pregnant, but that should not prevent her from taking her own decisions.
You fit a stereotype that's generally unattractive.
Men don't really care if you're on your mission in terms of money that doesn't add any attractiveness.
Leading with facts is definitely a plus and could be attractive to man who is mature.
You commented only being feminin when it comes to pro choice which kinda tells me that you're one of those women who only play the woman card when they stand to gain something but have 0 interest in the responsibility that comes with being a woman.
Overall I would say most men don't like women who behave like you and the few who do usually just overlook stuff out of lust or desperation.
Not saying this to be mean or anything, these are harsh words but meant in a positive sense to give you all the facts about reality and let you decide if you need to make a change or not.
Depends: if you don't require from me to share your same priorities (lots of money, p. ex.), then I wouldn't have a problem with your energy. I am ambitious but not in terms of money: I have projects to finish and for me is more important to accomplish them than spend my life earning lots of money without focusing in what I really want to do. I prefer being just independent doing what I like, than being rich doing things that are indifferent to me. So, if you have no problem with that, I would have no problem with your energy (by the way I would never ask you to lend me your money)
I like men's behavior for their bromance ability, their will to have fun and stuff, but even if that's what I look like from people (men and women), I want a woman who's after the kids and the house. But I don't mind that she wants a career and money, I'm like that too.
Also, I don't call it a "man's behavior". Just a behavior.
Wanting a career and financial stability is not a bad thing, but this statement here " My biggest want in life is money", would be a real turn off for me. To me, it would indicate what in the Hopi language is called “Koyaanisqatsi” (kojɑːnisˈkɑtsi), or “life out of balance, in turmoil, and disintegrating. Money is not the root of all evil, but rather, the love of money. I understand the fear of being without it, but there must be balance in the pursuit of it, and of what truly matters.
nothing wrong with those goals.
that is why many people try so hard to succeed in life, because winning the lottery doesn't seem to work out very well.
You are just a strong independent woman that knows what she wants and is not afraid to go after it.
Good for you!
I do not think "masculine energy" is about being very rational and I go by facts, but rather being dominating.
If you come off as “aggressive”, you are likely dominating and no one like bitching behaviour.
Being career oriented is not a positive for men, why would they care if you are, they are not bennefitting from it. Men like feminine women, and career is for men to shine, not women :)
The greater the career you get, the more money you make, and the harder it will become for you to find a good man who wants you.
"im quite strong", again sounds more like domination or being bitchy.
"My biggest want in life is money and my fear in life is being broke. Most women want a family and kids, I just want to be financially stable!"
No issues, get a cat, not a man ;)
No man who wants to start a family wants what you're describing. Most men who also just want to make lots of money and not deal with kids are more likely to buy into it.
You're also only 24, and your mindset is likely to shift dramatically, probably multiple times in the next few years.
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