When will red pill dating coaches quit trying to sell an image they don’t live up to?

[MzAsh]

Aba and Preach recently drove home solid proof of the fraudulent activity from the manosphere YouTuber dating coach known as Donovan Sharpe.

Sharpe is well known for selling your typical alpha male wannabe advice, with emphasis on how men should avoid wifing up older women, single moms, and promiscuous women - All of which his own wife is and all of which he has been caught lying about. He’s gone out of his way to convince his audience he’s something he’s not, so he can make a buck off of impressional men desperate to maintain an image that doesn’t exist.

He’s an average guy who married and average woman, and that’s ok. Nothing wrong with that! But the fact that they lie and expect people to think they’re some alpha hotshot in the city when it’s obvious he hits up the drive through 4 times a week and decided to lock it down with the only idiot on the planet willing to put up with him and go along with his grift is only amusing at this point.

https://youtu.be/w2qANR1mM6I

[EmbraceThePain]

The thing about these types of dating coaches is that there is truth to what they are saying, but not everything is true.

It also doesn't help that many women do not try to disprove or say anything to the contrary of these narratives and many a times even prove what these men are saying to be true.

More women need to logically and reasonable call out what they don't like instead of saying "you're insecure," "you're not a real man," etc

These are not intelligent points but name-calling.

A lot of men have bad experiences with women and many dating coaches are pointing out why they might be and since there is some truth to what they are saying this resonates very well with men who felt like they've been betrayed, lied to, etc.

How do we counterattack this? Especially since there seems to be more and more men tuning into these narratives, forums, and other media?

Well, it is simple.

-More women need to start their own channels and media calling out statements using fact and logic. Not emotion

-men need to seriously recognize red flags and not continue to stay in potentially toxic relationships

-men need to choose better venues to meet women.

-men need to stop consuming too much of this red pill or woke stuff.

These and more are very viable solutions to decreasing more and more red pill stuff

[MzAsh]

Very well said, thank you.

[EmbraceThePain]

I think a big thing is, how overblown some of the things these "coaches" say.

For example

Is promiscuity bad in and for women? Yes

Are most women promiscuous or have slept around a lot? No

Yet, the thing about social media is that you can make a forum about men having negative experiences with these types of women and making it seem like it is more common than it is.

Same thing for videos, where one can become viral in a few hours or days and having men believe all women are a certain way.

It's the "smoke & mirrors" effect of the internet, specifically social media.

[MzAsh]

That’s a good point too. And the minute you argue that, they’ll tell you you’re an exception. Some might be surprised by how many people have been willing to tell me I’m a special snowflake just to invalidate my experience and observations.
To your point on name calling, I do think women don’t properly articulate what they don’t find attractive and why. But it’s important to call out specific behaviors, and point out the possible consequences of becoming involved with someone who adopts toxic ways of thinking. It’s not enough to just call him a misogynist and think that’s doing something. It’s not helpful to the cause and they don’t care. But videos like the one I’ve linked to, that’s what needs to happen more.

[EmbraceThePain]

Yeah

I also think the terms "racist," "misogynist" and more get thrown around a lot without them being perfectly applicable to their object.

It also doesn't help that people certainly have their own definitions of these terms. These words lose their meaning and weight over time.

It's better to argue points

Not call people misogynists.

[worldscolide]

Absolutely right!

[Vegasrunner]

@embracethepain Intersesting POV. The women Pearl has her own channel and she spits facts but is still Hated on by women, although it's a great idea I think at some point the evidence shows that women aren't interested or capable of using logic when it comes to making relationship decisions.

[Gen_Z_Rando]

So many of those people rely on the fact that the guys who watch or subscribe to their content will never, ever, actually succeed in dating anyone. The entire business model is that they keep coming back, if you want help with your dating life, the solution is usually not "go to the guy who'll want you to be a depressed virgin so he can be rich." Basically the only time they'll stop selling it is when people won't buy it, and their entire deal is that they'll manufacture the need for the people. They're literally selling and creating hope with the intent of ruthlessly controlling the actual outcome when possible.

Go to like therapy if you have social anxiety, or maybe therapy to deal with other problems that make you unlikeable, hell maybe just go to the gym and take care of your body and mind that way by socialising more and so on. Don't waste your money on grifters.

[Anonymous]

They say I’m red pulled but I don’t know what that means I just love my husband love my Papa! Bella cocca di papa that’s me for sure 😊 I admire and support these men apparently that makes me red pilled?

[Gen_Z_Rando]

It's perfectly fine for you to love and support your partner, but you're not redpilled because you don't think that men have an inherent value to them based on their looks or money, you don't think men have to gaslight women in order to like them. Being redpilled isn't just being a traditionalist or more socially conservative, it's genuinely believing that people are to an extent born to be "winners" or "losers" and that you can only hope to be a winner as a man. Not defining what a winner or loser is, is also another one of those ways to keep people going to the same dating coaches.

[Subarugirl]

Misery loves company, nothing brings people together better than mutual hate.

[ManOnFire]

A few clowns in the community doesn't make the whole message bad. I personally am not into RedPill and MGTOW, but there is still a lot of good stuff in what these guys - and even women like JustPearlyThings and Sarah Moore - have to say about the state of today's women. In fact, JustPearly is awesome and she even hits harder on some good topics about women than the men do.

[MzAsh]

I’m not saying the entire message is bad, but a lot of it is. Pearl raises interesting topics but she simps to toxic personalities which puts her whole message and role as a content creator into question. The community only likes her because she strokes their ego and won’t call them out on their bs. They don’t even really respect her because they still talk shit about her looks and rambunctious personality. She’ll regret her position on many issue’s because when she gets married and has kids, the support she needs won’t be there because she’s qualifying men all wrong.

[ManOnFire]

@MzAsh What types of toxic personalities does she simp too? I also like the way she stands her ground in the face of people trying to hit at her looks or gender (I think somebody thought she was trans). She knows she will be hated and ridiculed, but that comes with the territory of speaking out.

[MzAsh]

Donovan, Fresh n fit, Andrew Tate, MLD (Jon), Kevin Samuels, several nameless pick-me and holy roller weirdos who believe women should be treated like children and property. The way she kisses their ass is just too much.

[ManOnFire]

Andrew Tate and Kevin Samuels aren't my favorites, although Tate has said a few good things I agree with. Kevin Samuel's might've been gay. Fresh n Fit have some good advice.

[Vegasrunner]

@ManOnFire u have to know womanize to understand what @MzAsh is trying to say. She doesn't like that these men have built a successful platform shareing information that contradicts her belief. If u remember I told you woman rarely take responsibility for their mistakes and struggle understanding opposing POV's? All those creators mentiomed do an excellent job of exposing this mainly be allowing the women they bring on to represent themselves. For someone like Ash who holds a strong misandrist POV having these public examples is frustrating because its highlights a lot of her false beliefs. Rather than except the fact that so many successful men share these views and relationships traits, it's easier to try to discredit them. You see this happen a lot in politics. In the past relationship conversations had always been female driven so hearing how men actually think can be triggering to a lot of woman.

[ManOnFire]

@Vegasrunner Exactly! Well said. "If u remember I told you woman rarely take responsibility for their mistakes and struggle understanding opposing POV's" - this is actually something I'm writing about right now. And the reason is because women have been falsely taught to believe that they're more moral, mature, stable, etc. so they can't handle being wrong or at fault. I think it must give them anxiety, which is why they deflect and manipulate.

[MzAsh]

These men create these platforms because they don’t like that women can get wifed up despite committing the behavior they say they find so repulsive. Many don’t take responsibility for their mistakes because they don’t have to. Look at his wife. she's the perfect example of that. She’s the epitome of everything he advises men to avoid, yet he couldn’t even do it himself. That’s why he had to lie about her status and age. He cannot bring himself to admit this because it goes against the pro-masculinity narrative, makes him look bad, and he loses money.

[ManOnFire]

@MzAsh Aside from Sharpe's, what other 'whores' do you see that are getting wifed up so easily? He is a man with money, which will attract most lowlife broads. Him being a clown and fraud doesn't discredit what the other guys say.

"Many don’t take responsibility for their mistakes because they don’t have to." - Or don't WANT to. This now makes me curious how you handled your own faults and mistakes with men in your past, and even your husband. I guess you probably figured you didn't have to take any responsibility for anything.

[MzAsh]

By their own definitions, most women are “whores” because they have fun dating different men in their 20s while not looking for anything serious. Many are getting pregnant and finding a different guy to marry them and help raise their kids. Most men will never even know how extensive a woman’s past is because he wasn’t there. I’m not saying it’s ok to deliberately be reckless and stupid, and I strongly advise to avoid having kids in this stage of life, but it’s not uncommon to have fun and make a few mistakes when you’re young. It’s not the end of the world. You learn from it, grow up, and move on with someone else where you learn to have a grown up relationship with. That’s what happens in reality.

[ManOnFire]

@MzAsh Nah, not really. They exist, but if it were that common for them to be wifed up, you wouldn't have so many of them going through life as single mothers who keep sleeping with guys who get easy sex, and then these chicks whine and complain about how no decent men are out there. These are also the same ones who fill up dating sites wanting to have a husband and some of them not being upfront about having kids, and getting mad when no guys want to date them.

You got a few poor, ignorant chaps here and there who will feel sorry for these women and marry them, and then those same women will end up cheating on those guys after finally finding a "good man," but most men are smart enough not to try that. Especially if they're men who learned from their own naivety and bad experiences.

[MzAsh]

I firmly believe the single moms who have trouble finding good men are having issues due to their own lack of relationship skills as well as their lack of understanding of what a good man even looks like overall. I don’t think having kids is the largest obstacle in their way. Most would still have the same issues without kids. I see a lot of women screwing up by having kids too soon in their lives and also having kids with the wrong type of man. They then become dependent financially, and they struggle to find a guy who makes enough. They think average Joe making 50k a year is going to be good but then become disappointed when they realize he has insufficient funds to support the family and he’s not able to fulfill her emotional needs. Being a protector and provider is NOT enough. Women don’t understand this. A man absolutely must be emotional available, flexible, and cooperative otherwise she won’t be happy in the long term. At that point they realize this, they’re SOL because they haven’t developed valuable skills of their own to make enough money themselves. So many women would be better off developing skills out of high school, going on birth control, developing adult long term relationship skills and understanding what husband material looks like.

[Vegasrunner]

@ManOnFire in my opinion it stems from insecurity. Most woman are painfully insecure and because of that society especially males typically avoid sharing the truth w/ them because they can't handle it. Ironically the popularity of these platforms is because it gives a lot of guys an inside look at female nature in volume. This is something I got to see up close and in person during my years in the nightclub industry and something most men dont get a look at. Women like the original poster don't like this because it holds a mirror up to female nature and because of their insecurities they struggle accepting their flaws even when faced w/ tangible evidence of them.

[Vegasrunner]

@MzAsh If we're living in reality most woman's only chance of keeping a HV is to get knocked up and use the child as leverage against him. Also while it would be nice to wait, biological women face more health risk the longer they wait to have kids. Also I think your inexperience w/ woman is kind of skewing you POV. Most woman aren't looking for a man that makes 50k per year and ironically the only type of man that is going to be "coopertive" to a woman is going to be the kind that doesn't attract women to begin with.

[MzAsh]

These frauds are going down. The video I linked is nearing a million views and 10 thousand comments it hasn’t even been a week yet since it was posted. Thousands of men are confessing in they no longer trust Donovan Sharpe, so this is a great sign.

Vetting a man for cooperation and loyalty and other intangibles are among the best decisions I made in relationships. Choosing a man who’s life partner material plays a large role in why we continue to stay married and happy going on 16 years.

[Vegasrunner]

@MzAsh I certainly can understand your frustration however attempting to silence a message doesn't change the message. Women spend more time trying to attack truths about their nature vs examining their actual nature. in my opinion and if you think a handful of content creators are the only ones sharing tips and tools for male relationship success than you may suffer from stronger delusions than most. You can vet a man for cooperation as long as you want, my point is if that the only man that will be cooperative w/ a woman is going to be the type of man that falls into that 50k range you mentioned or at the very least not a man of value. Like most women you're making the mistake of believing your personal experience is a reflection of the real world. The fact that a man has stayed w/ someone like you, tells me that there is one less male threat to me in the world, competing for success since you've made it clear that you had to settle for a beta after failing to get a hv man to commit.

[MzAsh]

No frustrations. No interest in changing anyone’s message. Focused on the truth being exposed. And it looks like that is well underway. My personal experience being in a long term relationship with a lovely man is part of reality. Of course, it’s not many people’s reality due to the poor choices they make. A reality like mine can be made possible for others, if they make the right moves.

[ManOnFire]

@Vegasrunner "Women spend more time trying to attack truths about their nature vs examining their actual nature." - FACTS! You are on a role, man.

[Vegasrunner]

@MzAsh Those platforms have 10's of thousands of viewers so it seems as they already have been successful at exposing truths w/ the best validation being the women's own behaviors themselves. One great example is your insistence on using your relationship as a template for all relationships. As these shows point out women often spend too much time believing their personal experience is relevant to the majority. You've admitted to chosing a lower value man based on your own fears, and experiences most woman especially younger women don't want beta males for partnerships so you're advocating for women to settle for something they inherently don't want?

[Vegasrunner]

@ManOnFire TY I appreciate the kind words. TBH I've always wondered what it would be like to have a platform that discusses relationships from a male POV. The pushback is about what I always hypothesisezed but what these platforms have done in my opinion is help increase the average man's learning curve when it comes to dealing w/ women. What took me years to learn about woman while working in the Vegas nightclub industry can be learned by intelligent men and women in only a few episodes.

[ManOnFire]

@Vegasrunner If you can you should do it. Our society needs more education on women and their ways so we can one day have a culture where women are more conscientious and ready to change. Not these women of now who just want to fight the truth and keep manipulating people.

[Vegasrunner]

@ManOnFire TBH I'm not sure if that's possible. Woman have always been like this at least in my lifetime. The big difference is so much of this nature has been exposed publicly because of platforms like the aforementioned ones and social media. Reality is 10-20% of guys get 90% of the women so my strategy, and advice to guys has always been to work to get yourself into that category, not so you can get women rather so you don't have to tolerate the behavior from them. Most guys don't know what it's like to tell a woman no, reschedule a date or pass on sex. Until you've done that and actually seen how women behave when they don't get their way I wouldn't advise any guy tp invest their time in women, because you're operating at a disadvantage, but most guys are so desperate that they're willing to settle for the 1st woman that gives them attention. From a selfish POV I'm not so sure if I want to change that.

[ManOnFire]

@Vegasrunner Interesting. Why wouldn't you want to change it?

[Vegasrunner]

@ManOnFire Excellent question. To understand the answer u have to look at it through my perspective. I've always fallen into that 20% during my entire life assuming that's true there's no incentive for me to change this in fact my hypothesis is that if more men knew these things it would actually cause additional competition for me. Secondly n judging by your writing I think u understand this. It takes a lot of work for a man to build himself up to a high enough status to have women as options and most men simply aren't going to do that. Use GAG as an example. If a guy post about having multiple women the response is typically similar to the the responses on this post. The reason for this is people typically only believe what they are exposed to and most people actually don't know that many guys that are good w/ women Ironically if you're a guy that's actually good w/ women u get twice the advantage over the average man because you're learning from your interaction w/ women while the average man is being kept ignorant of female nature. Finally my intention isn't really to change anyone's mind rather to learn as much as I can and use it to my advantage I'm the dating marketplace.

[ManOnFire]

@Vegasrunner I see. That actually makes some sense, and that's kinda where I thought you were going with it. Gives me something to think about on the regular.

[Vegasrunner]

@ManOnFire My hypothesis is that it's pretty EZ to get women and men actual are the ones w/ more advantages , the issue becomes the advantages and or using them aren't viewed as socially acceptable and you've seen evidence of this whether "locker room talk" from a politician, or leaked inter office transcripts between NFL executives, most reasonable people will admit that how men discuss women amongst themselves is vastly different then how they discuss them privately. This issue becomes more complicated because women can only operate from their reality and since we shield them they genuinely are clueless about a lot of these things. Think about the lengths that guys you personally know have gone to just for a chance to get laid now extrapolate that exponentially because women hear these things multiple times a day for decades. Because of their need to believe that they specifically are special the thought of a guy telling them what they want to hear as part of a formative plan doesn't enter their minds assuming they have feelings for him. I've had instances speaking w/ woman w/ no reason to lie to me finally admit, to women's nature, fears, insecurities and relationship failures, these platforms do a good job of providing exponentially more of these instances. The average guy rarely gets to see women in this light so he tends to pedestalize them. @MzAsh understands this and what she is actually trying to do is teach women how to leverage that deficiency.

[ManOnFire]

@Vegasrunner Wow, that's some deep stuff. A lot to learn from you, man. "My hypothesis is that it's pretty EZ to get women and men actual are the ones w/ more advantages" - I've always wondered about that too.

[DaveJord]

Yeah, red pill , blue pill sounds like bull shit... like you can just change who and what you are... wait apparently by modern since you can. Well that is what they would want you to believe.

[pass_the_celery98]

Honestly i'm tired of those terms, abbreviations, verbs, adverbs or whatever of nice guys, bad boys, simps, feminism, alpha males or whatever. I'm tired of listening to ideologies that define us. I understand someone is going to read this and think, we all need to identify to something. I agree, we do. But we overcomplicate things and I think that's why many people are not happy with themselves these days by social norms or social standards. I don't care what someone's political views are, what gender they want to identify as, what religion they follow, whatever it is. As long they don't have extremist views, I draw the line in the sand there. I am a straight guy, who likes watching sports, funny movies, food, nature walks, video games, learning about technology, art, history and religion, working out, playing sports and that's pretty much. I keep to myself, I don't like to party, I don't like to drink, I don't like to smoke, I don't like to drugs. I know who I am. Yes, my description for many girls may be that I am undatable. Some may view me as "boring". But I don't care about trying to fit into this social construct of living up to someone's standards. Life will disappoint you, people will disappoint you.

[UniquelyBasic]

When other men stop believing in what they say. As long as there's men who listen they will continue to sell a certain image.

[MzAsh]

Well said.

[Manab]

Currently, men's movements are too fixated on showcasing bad women. Everyone, unless they are dumb knows that there are a lot of bad women out there, contrary to the social projection, they are not the victim and helpless girls. Rather than showing videos of these bad women, they should promote how men can improve themselves more, help each other, grow a life without the always need for women, make more money, and get more education.

Plus the downsides of being men in society, help with litigation of men who are getting screwed in divorce, or false rape, domestic violence accusations

[Chazmatazz269]

Hahahaha!
The voice of experience isn’t inherently hypocritical. According to your logic, if i injure myself hugging a cactus and warn others to not do the same, that makes me a liar and a hypocrite. Ell oh ell!
Dude made a series of bad decisions and chose to make a career of warning others about those inherent pitfalls. That’s turning lemons into lemonade where i come from!
Did you really think about this point at all before posting it?

[MzAsh]

Except he’s largely not coming from the perspective of learning from his mistakes. He’s hugging the cactus not knowing wtf a cactus is, getting injured, and then telling his audience he’s never touched a cactus and they shouldn’t either and you should listen to him because he’s a cactus expert.

[Chazmatazz269]

Maybe. Then again, maybe not. Do you know him or his wife personally? If so, for how long have you known them? If not, how can you be so certain of someone you’ve never met through hearsay? Ell oh ell! Do you believe that everyone who has ever heard a rumor about you knows the whole truth and nothing but the truth? Ell oh ell! What if the person spreading the rumors was making money off the matter? Does that give their propaganda more veracity or less?
Is this what you wanna be doing when baby Jesus comes back? Ell oh ell!

[MzAsh]

Did you watch the video? We’re not talking about rumors. We’re talking about public records that prove the lies.

[genericname85]

does making mistakes in your own life prohibit you from advising others to do better than yourself? your arguments are pretty damn weak and just seem rather ignorantly hating on men who try to show other men how to have a decent life, which certainly isn't easy in this world full of forced consent about sexual bullshit.

[MzAsh]

There’s a difference between making mistakes and being a fraud. He’s completely misrepresenting himself.

[genericname85]

how does that at all matter for the things they say? truth doesn't care about who tells it.

[genericname85]

it's like take a fitness guru. they all lie about "being natural". they are all taking steroids and most of them are selling protein products, scamming people by making them think that eating their powder can make them look anywhere close.

yet what they say about how to properly work out and how to gain muscle is very often correct.

[MzAsh]

Would you hire a 500 lb fitness coach?

[genericname85]

i would hire a fitness coach who took drugs to get bulky and muscular. and if they were fat, i would still evalute based on their training and how they do thinks. in most sports the coaches are some old unfit men. it's the knowledge they provide that makes them valuable. not the things they do in their own life.

[genericname85]

by the way. Brian Shaw, one of the most successfull strongmen in the world is almost 500 lb :D

[MzAsh]

Anyone can give knowledge. Everyone has an opinion. But when someone has shown a long standing pattern of being fraudulent and untrustworthy, investing in knowledge they are giving is taking a big risk. It’s a pretty basic fundamental in this space to be the example.

[genericname85]

well not everyone has knowledge and whether they have or no is decided in the public discourse. and if someone is a fat slob but they still give valid fitness advice, they will be appreciated for that... not by superficial people who all they care about is the stuff on the surface and not the actual knowledge.

[genericname85]

like i never have had a girlfriend for example. at my age... and yet most people in my friends group turns to me for relationship advice even though i'm the one who never had one. does that make me a fraud? no. does that make me trustworthy? also no. but aparrently the things i say to them are right and good and work for them, so why the fuck should they give a damn?

[MzAsh]

They’re not paying you. And you’re not selling an image of being a relationship expert. You’re just a friend with an inexperienced opinion.
When money is involved, people look for certainty to get measurable results BEFORE they hand over the cash. The invest in those who they know can get them those result. That’s the SMART way to do it. What would make you a fraud in the example you gave is claiming to be a relationship expert when you’re not. You’re a friend giving away free advice which is very different. Especially when it comes to an area as involved and complicated as relationships, a combo of knowledge and learned experience makes you an authority figure. As a woman, anyone with any senses wouldn’t ask a virgin woman for insight on how to get an orgasm while on top. Asking a friend for their opinion is different than investing in a an experienced expert who promises results.

[genericname85]

i've never paid a dating coach on youtube a dime...

[MzAsh]

That’s fine. I’m actually a relationship coach myself, with a 15 year marriage and professional coach training under my belt. I put in the long years to gain trust and know-how. That’s why I’m passionate about this, and to see people paying clowns with no experience and a history of lying and thieving I find to be a shame. If these fools wants to anyway, that’s their own stupidity and they can knock themselves out. But it will kick them in the ass later.

[genericname85]

Well everyone has gotta find out what's a scam and what isn't for themselves.

[MzAsh]

That’s true

[Vegasrunner]

@MzAsh But you're misrepresenting yourself rn. You're not a dating coach, your an admitted dating coach for women. You also claimed you weren't frustrated by this but are now contradicting yourself. As a self proclaimed professional coach you haven't provided any value to one half of the dating market, so aren't you executing the exact same lie you're accusing these other professionals of? I researched your site and any one who pays the fee can be called a "professional relationship coach" so is it possible u have been fleeced into believing you're knowledgeable about a subject that you're actually ignorant of?

[MzAsh]

I’ll coach men too, and I say that on my site. However, my experience as a woman in relationships with me. has proven to be more valuable to women than it is to men. I went through a program accredited by the ICF and I had to pass a test on my coaching skills to receive my certification. I also have video testimonials with clients who say my coaching has been helpful to them.

[genericname85]

being able to coach men doesn't mean that you're able to coach women and vice versa. the dating game is very different for these 2 groups of people.

[MzAsh]

You’re right. I have a qualification process that determines if I can coach someone, man or woman. Not everyone is coachable, not everyone has an issue I can help with, and some things I just can’t help on like things that would require a therapist or psychiatrist.

[Unit1]

This is a very good point. I suspected those dating coaches are full of themselves and out of touch with reality and even sell their nonsense for real money.

They're no good for navigating through the dating. Best advise for that is "You're on your own pal. Go figure it out. Good luck!".

The day they stop selling an image they don't live up to is the day OnlyFans will shut down for good or run out of business. It's irreversible damages.

[Exterminatore]

I agree with you about these clowns. All ought to practice what they preach in any area of life.


There is some great material in the “Manosphere.”


As for these hypocrites…well even a broken clock is right twice a day. Doesn’t mean all the material there is bad advice or inaccurate. In any group there will always be a few bad apples.

[worldscolide]

I have zero respect for people like that. I have my own issues with society, and societal expectations of both men and women. But i see those idiots the same as i see those idiotic MGTOW and the female equivalent radical feminists, note i said radical, i have zero issues with most feminists as long as they aren't the man hating type.

[Kiran_Yagami]

Because everything female dating coaches say and sell is so true. You get women like Stormy Wellington charging $10,000 a head for her sessions on how to catch wealthy men, when Stormy herself doesn't have one. Selling lies to people is how the game works.

[DopeTurtle]

I actually just watched that video the other day and it was so spot on. A lot of these guys are really cringe. They don’t follow their own advice or the second they receive the slightest push back then the crumble easily.

[Leopard23]

This is how they make their money, why would they stop? The more contraversial they are the more money they make.

[loveslongnails]

I'm so very glad I haven't a clue who you're talking about! LOL Now that you've said the name, I'll avoid it if it crosses my radar. Thanks.

[MzAsh]

It’s a rabbit hole 😆

[loveslongnails]

I'll avoid it, just like I avoid the whole red bill, blue pill brouhaha. LOL

[Darklydarkened]

Anyone believes in that ''Alpha Male'' horseshit is a good candidate to be swindled

[inhua]

right message >>>>>>>>>> wrong messenger

[NachtjaegerSS]

There's an old saying. If you throw a rock into a pack of dogs, the one that yelps is the one you hit. Sounds like these guys have hit you with a few rocks.

[NostalgiaSenpi]

Just like priests, politicians and other people that don't practice what they preach, as long as they have people to follow and pay them, they don't care.

[rabbitzzz]

He is not an average guy if he is making banks of off youtube.

[jamesgoldman]

As long as people still pay for it... so probably for a long time yet

[Agent_Elflord]

Don’t know, and I have no idea who any of them are. Nice to see a fellow Aba & Preach fan though!

[PatriceONeal]

Abazabba and preschool aren't red pill. They have many left leaning simpish philosophies.

[MzAsh]

Wasn’t referring to them. I was referring to the one they’re talking about in the video I linked.

[PatriceONeal]

Donovan sharp is kinda lame I don't know him

[PatriceONeal]

There's better mra channels

[PainusNdeeAnus]

Why do they need to live up to the image they sell?

what predecessor doesn’t want their successor to do and be better than them?

[LiamJHayden]

Charlatans will grasp any opportunity to make money.

[Chthou95]

This is just a case of the right message, wrong messenger

[Pegases]

Your not married.

[SaoirseS]

Who needs a dating coach?

[Agape93]

When people stop buying their shit

[Phoenix98]

@embracethepain said it pretty well.

[EmbraceThePain]

🫡🫡

[aaron210419]

Aba and Preach are awesome

[es20490446e]

I wouldn't watch some liar's channel.

[ChefPapiChulo]

so what