Marriage statistics don't quite support the theory.
https://www.statista.com/statistics/242030/marital-status-of-the-us-population-by-sex/
You're focusing on linear statistics - very similar to what Feminists do (I'm not calling you one). In my experience, most women want the same thing (6ft +, handsome, financially successful, etc), but it does NOT mean women end up with those men. Men who are within the top 20% (my opinion is actually within 10%) also have the power of options - in other words, the conclusion (percentiles) are not equivalent to the personal reasons why you're seeing a disproportionate numbers being implicated.
Certain women may believe they're not attractive enough to get those men (even though they prefer them), decided to settle because their biological clock is running out, can't get those men despite trying, or perhaps her tastes have changed over time. For example, I was into sorority girls back in college, but quickly came to despise them because they're typically your pretty face with no soul/moronic (pretty face for sorority girls, not generally speaking).
Recall that I wrote an opinion about a question you asked about men having nice cars and I can tell you that people like @Brainsbeforebeauty (I'm not picking on you) go around throwing the term "misogyny" and it seems they have no actual idea that just because you disagree with a modern trend, it does not mean you're a "woman hater." Should I start calling some women "misandrists" just because they don't agree with me? There's a very fine line between hating vs disagreeing ---- it's becoming a crime just to disagree nowadays and that's how the Feminists/modern trends have warped everything.
Since you're only 24 years old, let me be VERY clear: men have NOT changed. We're still the same pigs that we were 2000 years ago and we're not going to change. Sure, you might be able to get us to do something or change here and there, but in the end, we just want a woman to be a woman. You don't need to be a boss babe, millionaire, have a super career, etc so I'd avoid all this modern day Feminist crap you keep hearing on the news.
I reported this because I don’t go throwing that word around unless it’s warranted… some of the guys I chat with the most on here, we disagree on a lot of things and I certainly don’t call them that because we may disagree… I respectfully disagree because they also keep it respectful… don’t throw peoples names Out there with unwarranted accusations… thank you😊
@Brainsbeforebeauty You JUST wrote “ That age bracket of men you mentioned is also the same listening and getting advice from men like Andrew Tate and other misogynists”
Yes I did. Is that man not? And are there not other misogynists? But you stated I throw that out to any man that disagrees with me and that was pure bs
@Brainsbeforebeauty You used Andrew Tate as an example of misogyny and unless you know something I don’t know, his views on women can be extreme, but it’s not misogyny. When did I say you say that to all men? What I said was that people like you SEEM to not understand what true misogyny is and instead think simple disagreement automatically means the man must hate women just because it doesn’t follow your BS narrative.
“Who is Andrew Tate? Your guide to the self-styled misogynist influencer”
www.npr.org/.../andrew-tate-greta-thunberg-romania-arrest-trafficking
Wasn’t me that labeled him that, but maybe it’s you that doesn’t understand the term…
“ Tate has said women belong in the home, shouldn't be allowed to drive a car and are man's property.”
“ TV, but was kicked off the British version of Big Brother over a video of him hitting a woman with a belt.”
Oh and also please explain why you dropped my name in the first place:
“Recall that I wrote an opinion about a question you asked about men having nice cars and I can tell you that people like @Brainsbeforebeauty (I'm not picking on you) go around throwing the term "misogyny" and it seems they have no actual idea that just because you disagree with a modern trend, it does not mean you're a "woman hater.”
Because it’s petty funny you dropped my name in reference to a question and your reply that I never even posted a reply to, makes no sense does it🤷♀️
@Brainsbeforebeauty... Please tell me you looked over your responses... It does not matter if somebody else names someone -- you are the one using it to make an assertion of your argument. Also, the article has yet to point out a single instance that proves he's a "misogynist." Merriam Webster defines it as having hatred or prejudice towards women. Many of the views he has is mirrored in the Asian Minor, sorry, you Americans call it the Middle East - I suppose they all hate women too? This is people like you:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XqJKAnN0-gM
Also, in reference to the second point you made, him hitting a woman with a belt is at minimum battery, it does NOT mean he hates women. I don't agree with Tate on a # of things, but I JUST told you why I dropped your name. I read your opinions and you jumped to making wild assumptions that just because people like Tate has extreme views (again, a POV that you don't agree with), therefore he's automatically misogynistic. Just because something appears a certain way, it does not mean it is what "others" say it is. External behavior does not always equate to internal behavior because you're using your past experiences and intuitions to judge someone.
No they go for the top 40%. For the 60% this may just seem like 20%.
This large gender gap for younger people is present only in the recent poll by Pew Research Center during their first foray in this area. The General Social Survey and regular studies by the Institute for Family Studies have found this gap to be only 10 percentage points explained by young women dating older men. The average age difference is only 3 years so the effect is limited.
The main impact distorting the Pew poll is the perception of a "commited relationship". About 20 percent of men say they are not in a committed relationship while they are sexually active with a woman. The women instead report to be in a committed relationship. I suppose it's to do with "situationships" which the older ones do not know.
Anyway, for the question at hand we need to adjust the numbers. Consider also that some people are temporarily single. Personally, I'm a guy who the girls went for but I was single about a third of the time in the age bracket.
In the end, women go for about 70% of men below 30 and 80% above 30.
@EricSummer Then that means the number of men 18-30 who are single are lying then and it also means they're lying about being sexually active since male virginity rates are rising. Its the majority of men who are dating or married are older men who have been in a relationship since a long time ago. Social media and just the internet in general has changed the dating game. Most relationships are initiated through online now and people's standards dont change or changed drastically from the internet to real life
If a lot of men were sexually active, Onlyfans and simps wouldn't exist. Most men who were sexually active wouldn't be paying for a subscription based service when porn is free. You know why? Because women on Of offer an intimacy factor to make it seem personal for the subscriber giving them the illusion that it's exclusive. Guarantee you most men on Of have never even touched a woman and there's more than a million men using the website
@Chthou95 - The social issue is real. It has only been overstated in the botched poll by Pew that is not echoed in similar reviews by experts in human sexuality.
Loneliness and virginity are on the rise among young men. However, they still concern a growing minority, not a majority as the 20/80 rule would suggest.
By age 30 the male virginity rate is about 20% or even 25% now which is huge compared to earlier decades. These men are millions and they may well be the main fan base for Onlyfans.
Still, I cannot give them the consolation that they are the norm and only a precious few get to have partners and sex. The average dude is still doing fine for now. The cutoff is well below the average.
@Chthou95 - Now I had a glitch in there. The 25% is for virginity in the age group 18-30. At the end of the range, the rate will be lower as the group still has an average 6 years to go until reaching 30 and the youngest have a full 12 years. Maybe by 30, about 15% will be left in this state. Still millions, still a lot more than in the 1990s, but more clearly a minority.
@EricSummer If that's the case why are so many men talk about how they have no success with women despite not being ugly, not being a bum. They have their shit together yet they still don't have any success. And its a growing number of men who talk about their dating failures and being invisible to women. Why are there so many dating channels dedicated to helping men succeed with women? Why are there so many men out there who pay for porn when its free on the internet?
Because it doesn't take into account a lot of things. There's a reason why Andrew tate, Fresh and fit, And other red pill creators are so popular especially amongst young men. It has nothing to do with sexism. Its because a lot of men have trouble attracting and keeping women. The advice blue pillers give young men doesn't help and is counter intuitive. It actually hinders men. The advice the red pill gives actually helps men how to become attractive to women and teaches them how to adapt and navigate through the modern dating market. Its not a small percentage either
@Chthou95 - If 30% of young men struggle to find a partner and 15% have never had sex by 30 those are millions of men and it is a significant issue. In social media you can have a huge bubble effect by which these men meet countless others in the same situation until they come to believe that this is the normal way.
Still, the majority finds partners and gets to have sex. In reality it is not as difficult as it will seem to people who immerse themselves in manosphere content.
Why do they hate sexually active men and call them betas and simps more often than alphas? It's simply because most men show commitment to a woman and also benefit from their resources to attract women. The redpillers frown on these men as they only want casual sex and dump the woman afterwards. Most women successfully avoid them which makes it so challenging and frustrating for this community.
@EricSummer Yes the majority over 30 who have already been in relationships since a long time ago. And the only time theyll call men betas is when the men dismiss any kind of male issues at the cost of putting women on a pedestal. Ironically the the group of sexually active men are the red pill men who are labeled misogynist yet somehow they still get laid and attract women. And what's even more hilarious? The women come back to them. Women complain about toxic men yet a lot of them continue to be around and still have sex with men like that
It depends on how you define "top 20%".
Most red pill definition of top 20% men are flat out douchebags - Tate who has MULIPLE rape charges against him in various countries as example - who ONLY get women because they have money. Most of them are inferior men - hence they need flashy cars, etc to boost their pathetic little small egos, etc - with attitude problems.
You can SEE this as plain as the sun in the sky by how men who support the ideology write. They're douchebags who again ONLY get women due to money.
It's like saying a man who pays cheap prostitutes for sex has value.
And statistically the women who get involved with these sorts of men are just a teeny bit better than prostitutes. Not much. They are usually simple minded, contribute little value to meaningful relation, and neither reliable or loyal. One merely has to look at the cheap tramps of athletes and celebrities.
Few have much if any real value beyond looks or sex.
Furthermore I mean these red pillers apparently use stats from dating sites as if that's something impressive. Sure... since dating sites are statisically overwhelimingly full of bottom of the barrel options (hence why cheap sex, flings, etc abounds) it's really impressive. Might as well say they are basing the 20% off of a garbage dump.
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Now if you want to look at reality and the world's statistics there is no such thing as top 20%.
That's very obvious when ALL the animals that these twits refer to to excuse their unacceptable behavior do NOT behave like them.
Wolves are monogamous
Alpha chimps are useful
Etc
Only if you believe “some” of the men on here 🙄…. And not even statistics… people should oversee people more when they’re out in public and they’d see that the couples they see don’t support that🤷♀️
Older men are the ones in the relationships. But younger men are the single ones. And the advice these men give is the actual advice that will help these men because the advice society and women give to men doesn't help them. It actually hinders. The politically correct advice is the bad advice while the politucally incorrect advice is the good advice
Yes most girls date average or below average guys
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Well, marriage isn't necessarily reflective of all interactions. But even for hookups, that's not accurate.
There's literally no way to do that other than polling, which is inconclusive at best.
Because half of the population that is currently married is the population that was raised on social standards, established like 20-50 years ago. Now, the world is totally different from the world that was even 10 years ago.
@artgorgeous Exactly. Older people especially men dont see nor do they have to see how drastically things have changed. The Internet and social media changed the dating market and if the older men who are married right now were trying to date in the modern dating world, they'd be single right now
@Chthou95: There will always be women who have unrealistic expectations. If they want a relationship, they'll need to be more reasonable. If they are happy with hookups, flings, or a friends with benefits, they can be pickier.
I occasionally date women in their early 20s and would have an even easier time if I were still in my 20s. And I'm certainly not a 10.
Absolute statements are usually absolutely wrong.
Girls don’t only go after the top 20% of guys.
The math just doesn’t add up.
And when people pair up to get married, they PAIR up—it’s not like polygamy is running rampant.
Every girl that gets married is married to 1 guy, so for every 1 married girl there is 1 married guy.
Now, if we switch up the parameters and definitions of things…
Say… By top 20% you mean the most marriageable men (including emotional maturity, good character traits, responsible, no red flags, etc.)…
And if instead of “only go after” we use “usually are attracted to”…
Then yeah, I can agree that generally speaking, women are usually attracted to men who would make the best husbands, men who are the full package and have their sh*t together, especially mentally and emotionally.
But agreeing with THAT is quite different than agreeing with the phrase, “Girls really only go after the top 20% of guys.”
(Which is usually coming from guys who want to perpetuate that narrative because it helps them cope with their lack of success in dating and they want to blame it all on women instead of taking personal responsibility for their life and their shortcomings.)
This mentality is often spread by the incel and black pill community and usually their ‘data’ is composed of Tinder dating app experiments, reinforcing the fact that on Tinder, the best-looking profiles (top 20%) get the most matches.
But, Tinder is not an accurate reflection of real life and the women on there are not representative of all women.
Personality and character is HUGELY important to any girl with standards, and Tinder is simply a poor platform to showcase personality and character.
People can showcase their personality and character when interacting with people who aren’t on dating apps, i. e. real life.
But that’s something that these chronically online women-haters do not really do.
This is obviously bullshit. It is meant to make lonely guys feel a bit better as they could then potentially still be average dudes even though all the girls ignore them.
Instead, they are more likely to be the bottom 20% or the ones who are more or less ok but disqualify themselves by excessive shyness or insane beauty standards.
Potentially, the top 20% of guys are the ones who can get casual sex without commitment and without using any of their resources. This is possible, but what should we learn from this? Many men are capable of making a commitment to one woman and thereby increase their worth for her. It's a bit trickier with giving her financial stability, but in Love, as in War, you have to use any advantage that is at your disposal.
The answer to the question is: No, girls and women eventually go for at least 80% of guys collectively. For some it's hard to settle but for many it comes naturally. They tend to see the guy more positively when spending time with him and having sex with him over time. Attachment works in our favor there.
Ah, yes it's one of the Red pill theories. In that theory, you have to be part of the top 20% of male attractiveness to attract 80% of women, so you become an alpha male.
Andrew Tate, before he was in prison and became muslim, was seen as one of the embodiments of the alpha male: he was a champion of kick boxing, was rich, was charismatic, was successful with ladies, to the point he was a pimp...
What, morality, ethics? In the red pill theory, the end justifies the means to seduce and bang ladies. One day, I read an article written by a pretty influencial red pillar. he said the beta male's wife/girlfriend, even if he was a good father and a good husband and a good father, would always prefer the alpha male, because the latter is more attractive.
That theory of the alpha male is pseudoscientific: the wolves are a strictly monogamous species, a wolf's pack is a family, and when cubs have grown, they leave the pack to form another pack. As for the chimpanzees, the alpha male is viewed as useful and has the good connections, like a president.
@albanthegreat exactly 💯 % correct.
Particularly the bit about animals almost all these red pill losers try to reference as an excuse for their lousy small dick behavior. As for Tate there's multiple claims of rape against him so he's the embodiment of trash
In nature the "alpha" is always the most useful or competent animal. If you look at red pillers they're neither useful or competent they just happen to have looks & money that statisically attracts cheaper, looser and easier women who are not exactly desirable for more than a fling or cheap sex and aren't quality women themselves
@Honeysuckle12345 Alpha is a canine dog term as is bitch. Why does the USA society reference dogs so much? We are people and we have brains. We aren't dogs.
@Sharkstealth alpha for humans is used for the most asshole of men same with bitch.
So who knows why we use the terms. What when real alpha are nothing like what these losers are
@Honeysuckle12345 Thanks.
I think Tate was a scammer, scamming vulnerable young men to give money. But I think also he inspires many young men to improve themselves: take responsability... I think he's like Jordan Peterson for young men, but less rounded.
I wrote to some red pillars, and I consumed their content, I have been in a red pill-leaning MGTOW facebook group 3 years until 2019. I would say many need answers. Why does it fail with women? How can I have success with them? There was a lot of halo effect: if that guy is so confident about what he says, he must what's he's talking about. There was also a lot of rant, a lot of anger. But many had been hurt in their relationships with women, so they needed to release that pain.
the Red Pill had been hijacked by the PUAs, the men who just want to bang ladies.
But in 2017-2018, there were already cracks:young men who were bad to attract women (for many, it's often a lack of confidence or they believe in the black pill philosophy) were despised by PUAs, the MGTOWs didn't really care about banging women, it was about not being screwed up in a marriage, and tradcons didn't share the goal of PUAs.
We are in 2023. Things changed. A lot. In facebook, there is a MGTOW group, linked to a facebook page, but it talks a lot about feminism, to bash it. It hadn't the same vibe compared of what I knew of MGTOWs on facebook, not at all.
And now how many red pillars are there nowadays? The red pillar who wrote articles I knew stopped, the MGTOWs follow the sigma male path now, the young men don't seem to care about becoming alpha males, tradcons like Jordan Peterson stoped taking interest in the Red pill content...
So, I have the feeling the Red pill movment of the 23 of August 2023 has been devoid of its most "alpha male" men. Now, it's Fresh and fit. It's different, let's say.
Yes, this belief that many apparently have that only the top 20 percent (or ten percent, which is what I usually come across) of guys "get all the girls" is obviously not true, if only because the two most commonly-accepted criteria for being in that top percentage (level of success in life, and physical attractiveness) are so incredibly subjective. Different people have different ideas of what it means to "be a success", and they differ on what they find aesthetically appealing too, so who gets to decide which guys go in the top 20 percent, and which don't? And how do they work this out anyway?
They work it out based on limited stats from online dating websites and apps. They are not using actual studies and research
u @BarryLiverstone amazing that half the male population (roughly) is married yet only the top 10-20% get the girls...
Like I said in my answer, that’s red pill propaganda. They claim a guy must do all these things to be able to hook up with girls. But they rarely talk about long term relationships and marriage.
@BarryLiverstone yes online dating sites where Statistically people are looking for cheap sex, flings, affairs and other cheap services. Hardly any valuable people actually use online dating. It's like saying that top 20% was based on stats from the garbage dump.
We agree, online dating sites are worthless. I’m just answering the question of where these “stats” come from. People who use online dating sites don’t really want a relationship
ha... of course not...
But there are standards determined over the course of a million years since the first female fell out of space from Venus. They've learned a lot about life on earth and just throwing away that emotional knowledge is difficult, they don't evolve that fast emotionally... so they keep using what is recorded.
The real problem is guys are poorly trained so they believe their false immature perspective and validate their thoughts with flawed "logic". For those whom can't read between the lines, a lot of guys are just dunce. Guys fell off Mars... but landed on their heads.
https://giphy.com/gifs/afv-funny-fail-lol-26tOXnp4kOyeitRKg
knuckle draggers...
If ya wanna win the game, ya gotta learn the rules and how to play. yea?
Oh yea... and they are eating too many cheetos...
These "cheetos".. I keep seeing their advertisements on this site. Often paired with mountain dew. I remember mountain dew and I tried it a long time ago. But I am not even sure what cheetos are. Perhaps if I go back to my mom's basement, and I start crying out loud, maybe my mom will buy them for me? Or they'll magically appear there? Will I suddenly know how cheetos tastes the day i lose my virginity by any means? So the next step is to read more alpha male education to learn the fastest method to get a girl naked?
@RoosterBreast "Cheetos"... https://www. gastronomicspain. com/3951-large_default/cheetos-favoritos. jpg
I think it depends on what data you're looking at. The people thatvare married or the dating behaviour on dating apps. Concerning dating apps I would say yes since there women reject far more guys than guys reject women.
In real life relationships I would say no because many people act differently in real life and there are other aspects are more important than online. Also married people meet each other rather in real life than online meaning they have some time they are dating in real life before getting married. My answer is therefore yes and no depending on what you're looking at.
Okay but you don’t know why those women are rejecting those men… I’ve had strangers on here try to dm to talk dirty or send * ick pics or ask for pics… If they do that on here whats to Say they don’t also do that in dating sites?🤷♀️
@Brainsbeforebeauty I´m assuming it´s different especially on apps because there guys can´t contact a woman without a match with a woman. In those statistics that women reject far more guys than vice versa but on the other hand those statistics don´t give any reasons why women reject them.
“ but on the other hand those statistics don´t give any reasons why women reject them”… I did start with that same sentiment..
No, this is not how real life works at all. If guys actually believe this they need to get off the internet, stop using dating apps and go out into the real world and pay attention.
Never let facts get in the way of an agenda.
Initially, young women do go after the top 20% of men. The reason is that men in the top 20% will f**k almost any woman that is above a 3. However, they never marry a girl below an 8. Also, young women want the best they can get. And, since many young women are not bright enough to realize that the best that will f**k them are not guys that will marry them because for marriage those guys are out of the girls league. Moreover, since they are chasing and getting f**ked by guys out of their league, young women reject guys within there league that would do anything to marry them.
That goes on for about ten years until the women realize they need to find a guy that will marry them and not just f**k them. Then these older women will date and marry men well below the top 20%.
The guys who make this claim are mostly brainwashed by the “red pill society” which is a group of bitter men misusing statistics to go be against women. So you can generally ignore their claims and instead know irl dating is much more complex then they make it appear.
No, I'm red pill and I don't support that theory, while it's true that they are attracted to the top 20 percent, the average woman is pretty ugly for the average guy to get involved with. the average man is 5/10, the average woman is 2:10
50% of women are 2/10? But no, you don’t hate women at all
I never said that I didn't hate women, I said that the theory is not entirely true.
@Emilianorodríguez ROFL
I guess women go after the best they can get. But I think that applies more so to guys who are jealous of chads.
By top 20%, are we supposed to believe that means over 6' tall, gym bod, movie star looks, and wealthy? Because I think that's bullshit. Guys believe that shit that they see on-line have shallow values and other reasons for not being able to find girlfriends.
Most people, both men and women, are more interested in personality and character.
Why do I see average looking couples all the time in real life. All you have to do is get off your ass, go outside, walk around and look around.
The statistics from dating sites clearly show that the most attractive men get a higher percentage of female attention than the percentage of male attention that goes to the most attractive women. That women are more selective than men is well established by evolutionary psychology. This does not mean women only go for the top 20% of men. The effect of women being more selective than men is most pronounced on hook-up sites like Tinder, less pronounced when it comes to in-person interactions, and far less pronounced when it comes to settling down into monogamous relationships. To the degree that monogamy is practiced, the less pronounced the effect of female selectivity in the long run.
For a lot of young men, who are trying to date when a lot (not all) of women are into casual relationships, this is true. A record number have never had a romantic relationship. It is not the only factor of course, as a higher percentage of young men suffer from poor health, addictions, and even low testosterone, and deteriorating economic prospects for men are also making many of them less desirable as potential partners to women. If a young man is frozen out of the dating market, it’s just a lot easier to blame it on the factors out of his control than the ones that he could potentially influence. So they latch onto the female selectivity as a simple explanation.
No or I wouldn't see ugly ass men walking around with women on the daily..
Infact mostly ugly men get really beautiful and sexy women... no?
But how do they get them..
@cyclingkmi They have confidence, are not socially inept, they show their manliness
Show manliness as in?
What's manliness that attracts beautiful women towards average/uglier men?
@anemone978 That's because you have the false belief that men and women are equal. A women's value comes from her beauty not a mans.
@Vegasrunner Yeah but I wouldn't put ugly men as the Top 20% of men.. so you are missing my point completely..
@anemone978 Lol, that's literally the point. Sounds like you may be missing the point from the original author.
@Vegasrunner What she agreed with me? So what are you talking about.. The point is guys are saying women only sleep with the TOP 20% of guys (The hot successful men) and these men are complaining they can't get girls, but obviously that is not true because tons of ugly guys that ain't rich (obviously not in the TOP 20% of guys) are still having women and getting laid.. So what is your point, Mr. Vegas?
u @anemone978 I do agree with you. Here is the thing. I will take one metric that these guys love to include as being a top 20% trait... height. Right? He has to be rich, handsome, intelligent, etc etc... and like 6' tall. I see it constantly on here that it is a necessity of the "top 20".
My ex was one inch shorter than me. I am 5'7"... so...
Yeah, Ugly, Short, Poor, Criminal lol they all get girls.. so this 20% stuff is just propaganda made by guys who suck at making effort or trying to get girls..
These guys who believe this stuff are:
A) Trying to pick up girls on dating apps...
B) They keep trying to get girls way out of their league with no actual game or coolness...
C) They ain't even actually trying to get any girls because they don't feel confident to even try
u Here ya go... and look at the current and only response...
I an 167 cm (5'6) as a man, should I get height surgery to become 1.80 cm (5'11)? ↗
Yeah 5'6 is quite short for a man anyway and he was shorter than you too
Yeah so... a woman looks significantly taller even if it's an Inch only.
@anemone978 The original author is a woman and she uses the word "really" which implies she's heard this theory before so it's a female perpetuating the belief. She also says "go after" which implies that the women chase. "Ugly" isn't a male metric. I used to live in the same neighborhood as Flavor Flav and Carrot Top and they are two of the ugliest people thar have ever lived yet they had tons of women. So you're saying you have sex w/ ugly broke men?
u Certainly I'm not. I said that one metric those guys believe is that guys have to be tall. I pointed out that an ex was shorter than me. Then I provide a link showing someone that thinks they need surgery to get taller. Now why would the poster in the given link need to be taller. Surely that is not for basketball but for dating. No contradiction at all there.
@_Maya_ The fact that he's your "ex" validates that women only "chase" 20% of men. Also this is actually my theory and it's 90% of the women chase 20% of men. This leaves 80% of men chasing 10% of women. As you proved in your example your ex wasn't a top 20% man but we also don't know if you are in the top 90% of women. Depending on your looks it's possible that you are in the bottom 10% of women which would explain why you were dating a man outside the top 20%
u Lmao so basically because things didn't work out that proves what? It proves we weren't capatible. You are suggesting that if a relationship doesn't work then that is only because he is not top 20%. That is the weakest argument I have heard yet. My looks have nothing to do with it. I have no problem attracting attention.
@Vegasrunner No I personaly don't, but plenty of other women do...
@anemone978 Lol, So you're making a case for something even you yourself don't do.
@_Maya_ It's another example that validates the fact that women only chase 20% men. Your own life experience contradicts this POV. You're suggesting that, I'm simply using your experience to prove the contradiction you failed to understand. Any women can attract attention, your value is determined by your ability to retain a 20% man. To date you haven't done so.
only pretty ones do. i think people tend to go after people of the same level. like average goes with average, ugly with ugly, and hot with hot
But when two ugly people meet and mate they'd produce another ugly thing..
That's needs to be stopped
How would I even know what fucking category a guy is in? What are the metrics? Who comes up with this shit? I might think my boyfriend is really great, but that's because he's my boyfriend. Other people might be like "meh, he's alright." We all have different taste.
And... again.. the numbers? How in the ever-loving fuck do you know that you are picking in the top 20%? And if that's looks or something, wouldn't that be people who were incredibly attractive? I don't know if those people would date me lol
So the entire population of women on Earth are going to date only 20% of the men? The math doesn't add up there.
This whole misunderstanding comes from a buzz caused by raw data about online dating. The dating site OkCupid published data by which women only rate 20% of men as attractive on the site. By contrast, men rate women much more favorably on such sites.
This only shows that women are pickier and unlikely to be impressed only by photos.
The information has incorrectly been applied to dating and mating in general. While initially hesitant on OkCupid, women do warm up for about another 50% of young men in addition to the 20% who can instantly impress with their dating profile. Some
even admit that it took time for them to find their current boyfriends attractive and that they did not notice them as attractive at first.
You are right of course. The math is not adding up and I do not make an excuse for gullible people who accept such bullshit as reality. I can only see what caused them to be misled.
According to studies they do, the sad thing is most of them don't realize it as everyone else is invisible to them.
Not entirely 1 sided as men tend to most want the most attractive women too, they are just more willing to sleep with and therefore date almost any woman.
Women Tend only to consider dating men they actually want.
Part of this is the cultural demand of "Standards" which they beleive is a reflection of their own value, a lot of it is simply they feel they have far more options due to cheap attention than they really do.
It really is about the conflict of how we are programed by nature vs the reality of today's world.
Yes, women only go for the top 20% guys. Seriously, women, dont lie to yourself. A primitive example is all dating apps. It's a real life example. If the guy is average looking, he does not have any chance to match a woman of his "league". In this case he must be someone special of high social value, or famous, rich, etc and only in this case he has slightly higher chance.
Do not expect other women to tell you truth. Women compete for best men material. This material is scarce (likewise top 20% of women for men). Women want THE best men, period. That is why you use makeup, post nudes on instagrams, go to the gym and pump your butts, try to become independent (thinking that this attracts men, but its actually not)... Why you all doing this? Just don't tell me you're doing this for yourselves, because its a lie.
You are always welcomed to share with your arguments.
You know it is all in how you look at it. I consider the girl I go after as being in the top 2% to me. Others might not see it that way. I would think that to person you go after you would consider in the top 2% to you as well. Even if others don’t.
so the question could be 100% correct if you look at only the persons opinion about the one they choose. And not the opinions of those who did not choose them.
Obviously not. I look around me, only in my university the majority of women are pretty ugly, considering that in my university the average age is 18 years old, women from the rest of the city are worse since they are older. The average woman is a 2/10. In the United States it would be a.5/10.
Yes they do.
Why else are there TikToks of women meeting each other because they found out they were dating the same man from dating apps. Why else is there a Facebook group for every city to find out if women were dating the same men and not knowing about it.
Clearly women are dating the same men. While the average men and the unattractive men, are trying their hardest to find one woman to like them, or they end up finding the redpill, blackpill, MGTOW, SYSBM.
I'd say the top 20% is being generous, I'd say it's the top 5% of men.
Obviously not. Look at couples walking down your local street, and there is your answer.
I only go after the top 1% to ME. That doesn't mean the top for the average, just for what I want. My tastes are different, so my 10 might be her 6 and her 10 my 4.
I know how to stay grounded and humble. I have investments, money saved, I work, I have a masters degree, BA/Honours degree, in shape, decent looking, healthy, I don’t consider myself top 20% whatever that means 🤷🏻♂️
u You know what... this is a great answer.
cockiness is a bad trait, I can't stand guys who flex so hard that their materialism led life is what "defines" them.
Marriage is what happens when a 6 out of 10 woman gives a guy that isn't a 9 or 10 a chance.
Otherwise, she keeps going for the 9's or 10's and wondering why she ends up getting blown out and thrown in the trash.
It really only takes one trip to Walmart to know that that’s not true😂😂😂
🤣🤣🤣
Watch a single episode of jeremy kyle XD
Only those incels who believe in "alpha/betas" think this shit. Or idiots since some females will be stupid enough to agree I guess.
Hypergamy is a real thing and there is statistical research to back this. I wouldn’t say there is a fixed “percentage” but women really do try to “date up” much more often than men do.
At the end of the day you deserve someone who is your equal. Not better but not worse either.
Marriage would not how the real face of hypergamy as you have monogamy in the US. The top 10% guy can only marry one person at a time. The real matric of this hypergamy is swiping patters on dating apps which does show that most women find most men sexually unattractive. Marriage is mostly a financial insurance policy that women use as more than 50% end up in divorce with men paying majority of the alimony.
I am one of them, who said "top 20% of men". There is no denying that.
Since no pink so far until now has raised this topic and made a statement about it it is easily assumed to be willingly ignored, thus indicating it's plausible truth.
Rethinking about the topic "top 20% of men" would seem worthwhile for me.
It is absurd. If that were true I'd never get a date.
No because if they did the majority of people would be alone, but womens standards are unnecessary and to high (as compared to men), i say 'standards' because it is ridiculous to define physical appearance as standards. People can only help what they look like to a certain degree.
Yes. But it all depends in how they outlook these men. For example what kinda type of men are they, characteristics, personal traits, honesty, etc. Those would be reason why the ladies would feel attractive to them.
Many people say because of mostly money. You know how annoying it is for those who stereotype. If these men hassle then naturally their have tons of money. But no money doesn't buy love neither does it also as well buy happiness ☺️
No. The top 20% can definitely be non-marriaged men.
*non-married men
The top 20% of men that women go after do not make 50% of married men. Then. Would only be 20% of men who are married. Not 50%
That assumes every woman marries the man they really want. If Reddit and divorce statistics have told me anything about American women, that's a load of bullshit.
Ah, another woman using passive aggressive, surface level insults to cope with being wrong. Come on bitch. Stop acting predictable for like 5 seconds.
I'm not the best looking guy. I'm lucky that my girlfriend loves me for who i am and not for my looks.
When they are younger, yes.
When they get to the “settling down age”, around 27 and up, then they will settle for less because they want nuclear families and all of their friends and extended family members have nuclear families so they will lower their standards a bit to fulfill that need.
Obviously most guys aren't in the top 20%... LOL
Yes. Marriage statistics aren't a good metric for a ton of reasons.
1) Marriage is a very small percentage of all relationship interactions.
2) It doesn't take in consideration the guys that women couldn't get to marry them.
3) It factors in women that have hit the wall and no longer qualify for a 20% man.
They say they dont but how do you explain the number of the mej who are single compared to women in 2023? In 2023 63% of men are single and only 34% of women are single. You know why? Because women are sharing a small selection of successful men and don't notice or acknowledge the bottom 80% of men
Marriage is separate. Thats for when the woman finally look to settle down and the men who are invisible are finally loved. Also sexuality does define a person i believe, people mock humiliate judge and ostracize me when they see my face hear or hear me speak.
The study was based on men and women swiping on dating apps, mainly Tinder, so take it with a grain of salt.
I personally prefer beautiful men but i definitely don't put that as a priority. Mine happened to look good that is a different story though. I prefer personality
It's probably closer to 10% but yeah. Then they just either mature and then expand thier range or they just settle for what they see as "less" marry unsatisfactory, regret it later and get divorced.
Most grow out of the Top 10% mentality by at least 25. If not they generally have a pretty unhappy life.😆
According to Seinfeld we only find 10% of people attractive... luckily we all have different tastes
yes till they hit the proverbial wall then settle for someone in that other 80% which may be a part of why women also initiate 80 to 90 percent of divorces, often due to some form of unhappiness/dissatisfaction.
No, many girls are scared of successful guys and will date down to support their self confidence
Nope, that's nonsense.
No of course they don’t only go for the top 20%
because most women can’t get top 20% men
but hey nobody picks “Used” when “New” is available
people want the best they can get
Based on the 80/20 rule which has to do with probabilities, but is ran with by the online redpill community to explain how women operate.
To clarify your question, the top 80% of women Chase 20% of men.
That doesn't mean the remaining groups aren't chasing each other.
What it does equate is to all the narratives that you've already encountered by finding this information.
I have had sex with over 200 women most of my friends have had sex with 20 or less, so I think so.
Not from what I can tell!! They mostly go after the scum at the bottom, of the barrel!!
just more mgtow bullshit.
BC the other 80% of men are losers
no but i think it’s true that’s who girls chase when they’re in their prime looks wise. most women have to settle for average guys as they get older cuz they can’t get the top tier guys.
Yes but can they attain them no. Only a select few can get these type of men because these type of men have options
Explain to me what relevance marriage stats have with the cock carousel?
Yes. They SETTLE when they get married. (That's why they divorce their husbands.)
Yes, but they don't all have the same definition of the top 20%. And they sometimes settle.
they not only do it, they then lie about that fact that they do.
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