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They evaluate men on height, fashion and income just to consider who to date. Really, they only care about men as long as they provide some sort of utility. Once that utility is gone, 90 % of them are too. The relationship is a generally a pretense for a service. Most women are functionally hoes.
Women also have this trend of "dating up." They're constantly on the look out for a "better man," i. e someone fitter or richer. It doesn't matter how long the relationship is. This just goes to show how the objectify men as mere public services. They have a whole catalog of men for whatever service they want: the boyfriend, the attention guy, the favor guy, the work boyfriend to name a few
I'm not saying men don't have their shallow sides. Most of us care about ass and titties a bit too much. But relationships for us are usually about the person, not what we get out of them. Most of them are usually heart broken for a long time after losing an unreciprocated breakup. With women, it's the opposite. They get over it much faster because they have a more ready supply of men to do what they want then vice versa. So men can essentially be swapped out like an old car part at any moment.
100% true
Then have some god damn self respect and don't fall for their bull shit when they say, "don't judge me". Get some balls.
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I've got more balls than your entire genetic line. Going after men because of their income is the opposite of self respect. It's prostitution. Now fuck off with that white knighting loser.
My entire genetic line fought in major wars, bud. It would probably take thousands of generations in your line to match our few centuries of pedigree.
"Going after men because of their income is the opposite of self respect. It's prostitution." I don't disagree. Soooooo, why the fuck would you call what I said white knighting? It's the opposite. Have some balls, tell the bitch who is trying to trade up to fuck off and that blowing up her relationship for shallow reasons like that is not mark of a quality spouse. She doesn't honor her word. And she'll likely do it again. Judge her. Tell her to fuck off. Get some balls.
@love_conuers_lust
I also have ancestors who've fought in wars. It's not something worth bringing up since men fighting in wars isn't anything special. Oh, and good job trying to argue against an insult dumbass. Proved it's effectiveness flawlessly.
As for the grow a pair comment: if you weren't fucking retarded, you'd have realized I'm not the one who needed to hear that comment. You made it sound like you're giving me shit for kissing their asses. Think harder about who you're talking to before you speak.
*for NOT kissing their asses.
Since you don’t think it’s about wars or actions, which I don’t take credit for anyway. What is it about? You brought it up. So what specifically is genetic line about? Have balls, drop the dog whistle, and say what you mean.
I have no fucking idea who I’m talking to. I might as well be screaming into a void. So I’ll at least tell the truth in the off chance I get a reply.
You said all men. Your tone gives off this mopey, feel sorry for me attitude as if there’s nothing you can do. You sound like those whiny women who cry about skanks not keeping their legs closed and there is nothing they can do about it except be skanks too. We can’t control what other men do. We can control what WE do. There is a difference. If you sniff out a bitch who destroys an otherwise perfectly good relationship and goes back on her word to trade up, tell every one of them you encounter to fuck off whether they are pursuing or leaving you, tell everyone else to do the same. You should know the games they will play to blame THEIR unhappiness on another man. Now, it is possible for a guy to go out of his way to abuse his spouse to obstruct her from being happy, like a guy who breaks his wife’s fingers preventing her from painting or something, in which case she would be correct. But, if she is unhappy because she wants to trade up, that is the biggest bunch of bull shit crap that would make me want to slap the fucking shit out of her. I wouldn’t do it because I don’t want to become an actual reason to justify resentment.
So, I’ve thought about who I’m speaking to. My response, get some balls.
Both are just as shallow.
This gender war is nonsense.
Us men's, looks for a woman young enough and healthy enough, to have children. If we don't look to have children, we usually date women's who also don't want to have any parental responsibility.
As to men's who wants to have a family. Some make a family, some gain a family.
What about flings?
Flings are prevalent more, among men and women's in their teen age and in their 20s (which could involve infidelity or not). Most people start settling in their 30s.
What about women's?
Women's usually date within their age, or older. Not much with younger men's. While we men's seek for a healthy and youthful partner, women's oftenly seek for a healthy and wealthy partner. Well, wealthy enough to provide the basic.
They usually look to fulfill the goal of been a mother.
For the sake of having resources and protection, they prioritize a man with status, within society. He can be anything, but for a woman, he got to have a decent status (police, military, cheff, architect, etc). He can not be a nobody, which usually means, he can not be unrecognized or ghost in his town.
In other words, us men seek for a healthy and youthful woman.
Women's, looks for a healthy and wealthy man.
Men looks for health and youth.
Women's looks for health and wealth.
It is definitely men if we are generalizing. Men typically go for the most attractive women they’re able to get. A beautiful woman can have an okay personality and she will still have more success than an ugly girl with an amazing personality. There are so many things about a woman’s appearance that will determine whether a man will pursue her or not. You can be the kindest, most considerate woman with a great sense of humor but if you’re overweight or your features don’t sit quite right then she will have a very hard time compared to her male counterpart. However whenever it comes to women choosing partners they are more likely to overlook physical aspects and go more for personality. If he has a great personality, is stable, able to provide for her, etc women are typically not going to care as much if he isn’t the most attractive man they’re able to get. But honestly men and women just look for partners differently on average
Women usually talking about high value men who have options when they say men are shallow. Women dont even notice the bottom 80% of men who would date all kinds of women. But women dont want these men. They want the chads and tyrones to blow their backs out and then expect these men to wife them up. But when they dont? "Men aretrash" "All men are the same" "Good men dont exist" blah blah blah
@Chthou95 I think you spend too much time on the internet, you generally don’t hear anyone in RL say “high value” etc and your whole comment is just bitter. Both men and women can struggle with dating, but if we are talking shallow (as in appearance) that would be men. I mean if you had the choice between a woman who was overweight, fat, and ugly, but she had a perfect personality versus a skinny woman with the perfect body and a beautiful face but had a poor personality, which would you choose? If it isn’t the first woman that is shallow. If a woman is ugly she will have a heck of a time dating, where if the man is ugly he can compensate with personality (being confident for example) and being a provider as women are more likely to go for physically less attractive men
Its part of the world. Intrinsically we follow certain behaviours without even admitting to it. Its not being bitter. Its just understanding the dating market and the differences between men and women. Men struggle more in the dating world. Men must become to be successful and noticed by women while women are already born with value and get their foot im the door. a lot of men who don't have options will settle, sure. But a lot of men are attracted to bigger women. Men have a wider range and variety of what we find attractive while women's is more narrow which is fine. But men are more forgiving because men dont ask for a lot. And the fact that men ask for little but somehow women still fail is amazing to say the least
@Chthou95 you didn’t answer the question though, you skirted around it. That was my point. If you had the choice, personally, between an unattractive woman with a great personality vs an attractive woman with a bad personality, which would you pick? There are a lot of men who will put on blinders whenever it comes to personality flaws because they’re more physically attracted to the other person. Men and women struggle in different ways. If a man is unable to provide, has personality flaws, etc he will have a hard time. If a woman is ugly she will have a hard time.
Why not both? If she has a high body count though, no bueno. And disagree. A women regardless if she's ugly or pretty, she can still get her foor in the door. And with the technological advancements of the internet and social media, all kinds of women can get attention and find a man that will happily date her. There's no barrier getting blocking women from succeeding. Even the ugly ones can succeed
@Rei13 To like someone for something they have is SHALLOW. Whether is their body or personality!!! Personality can be changed dramatically. It's all habit. That is all it is. It's self image. You are not your personality. You're just up here advertising your ignorance. I'm tired of hearing this shallow crap. Everyone is shallow. Get over it. You are shallow. Stop talking like you're not. Go express your egoism on some other post. Whether it's looks or money or whatever, to like someone for the things they have is shallow... Period. And the things they have come from other things they have. One of which is character or personality. But that isn't who a person is. You aren't your habits. You aren't your story nor your name and all that bs. Those are things you have. So stop acting like women aren't shallow. And they too care about looks. People only want what they can get from you... Everyone. The second you stop being the person they want you to be... They dont want you. Because it isn't you they want. I assure you the sex emotion is involved in more of your choices than you think. Don't bother replying because I'm putting this on mute. Just had to check you. Both of you. You're both full of poop. Like take a look in the mirror. We all need too.
@KingOfMe1 Yeah you certainly do need to look in the mirror. You describe a perfectly example of yourself as a shallow embittered person. Not everyone is like that, thank god.
Society always talks about men always wanting and thinking about sex. If true it means either that women also do or that men can't be as shallow due to their sex drive.
@BlackBeauty90 I can't date someone, im not attracted to. But i also dont want to date a girl with a shitty or stuck up personality. So neither. But ill gladly take an average girl with a good personality over hot one with a dog shit personality. Looks attract, personality
@Sharkstealth Women do too and can also be shallow. I think just off the original question I thought more men on appearance alone (not including other factors) but women are just as capable of it
@KingOfMe1 Again you also just sound bitter. I don’t understand the need for personal attacks when I didn’t say anything to you personally. If you continue to do so I’m just going to block you like I did the other person. You are also welcome to express your views on your own posts or replies to posts. I honestly got the two of you mixed up as the same person lmao
Generalizing is always good right?
Men
There's many men - as proven on GAG - that say they don't want a slut but they chase women who dress like a prostitute. Like you gotta be dumb not to realize 1 + 1 = 2.
There's many men - as proven on GAG - who say they don't want a woman who works but on the reverse they don't want someone who is a "gold digger" after their money.
There's many men - as proven on GAG - who say that women above 30 have "less value" but whine when women below 30 aren't mature enough for a serious relation
The list is endless of such comparables that seriously... make you wonder.
Whereas if you look at reality - not celebrities, not tramps, etc. - most women simply want a decent guy who has self respect, respects her, won't cheat, isn't a douchebag / druggie / drunk.
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well if you take a look at what men judge women by:
weight - must be skinny,
height - must be under 5'5'' (men hate taller women),
face- pretty , no wrinkles,
body- must have an hourglass figure. wear corsets
age- must be under 30,
fashion- must spend large amounts of money to fit into society's standard of appeal.
versus
what women judge men by:
having decent income- as long as he doesn't make minimum wage
Not being less than 5'8''- any height taller than her will usually do.
whose standards seem tougher?
a lot of men dont give a shit about height. If she's attractive and fuckable, they don't care. Weight can be changed it's not that hard. But even then there are men who will date chubby and even fat women. a lot of men chase after older women. Sure they wouldn't be able to compete with an younger woman but if a 30 yesr old woman shows interests, a lot of men will take the chance. High value don't want you so you think even the bottom 80% are like this as well
Weight - Most men don't care as long as she's not in either extreme. Fat chicks have no issue getting men.
Face - 99.99% nonfactor. I've never heard of a single man who's cared about a nice face, and it shows. I'm the only exception I know.
Height - We generally prefer shorter women, but it's nowhere near the deal breaker it is for women.
Body - Straight lies. Desirable, but not required. Read Weight.
Fashion - 100% bullshit. Women are the gender that care about fashion, male or female.
Most of what you said is either projection or just your own insecurities. Interestingly enough, I only ever hear women saying that men want skinny chicks. Men pursue fat women quite often.
@blueonblack22 its because women associate height with P size and hand size
For guys to see on there women they just see a hot girl.
@turnpost well the whole thing about women obsessing over height is getting old. Really old.
Sure I like cute petite girls but I’ve dated a 5’ 11’’ girl one time (I’m 6ft). I barely even noticed her height. Height is like number 37 out of 50 things men look at in women.
Just because they obsess about it that doesn’t we do. I’m sure PLENTY of guys would be happy to date a hot girl their height or maybe even taller if given the chance.
@blueonblack22 You dont need to tell me that its gets old. I know.
But that stigma is as old as time.
Guy i dont what get your point is? Girls obsess over height
guys dont. We are agreeing aren't we.
@turnpost yeah it is the same way some guys think being ripped and athletic will guarantee them women. Being ripped and 6 pack abs surely doesn’t hurt your chances. Hell of a lot more attractive then being a lard ass. But it’s not in the top 3 things women look for. Yet given guys are more visual we sometimes assume they are too. They are but not to the extent we are.
@blueonblack22 so we are disagreeing. lol well whatever honestly what difference does this make. I dont really care. I like women. lol
@turnpost so do I. Many of them of them on GAG probably think I don’t.
But in reality this a one of the few places I can dump out my qualms about women and not lose face. That’s another thing women don’t understand about men. We are not allowed to voice our opinions publicly in modern culture.
Nobody is dum enough to think anything is garanteed.
Your 6 ft you dont understand your priveledge or delibratly acting dum for some self masterbation. Whatever the case is. Its a big world out there,
people drive motorcycles get tattoos and do drugs. Surely some girls actually like short guys and average guys and not just hate less then tall guys.
Men
Even if a woman makes 6-7 figures, has a PhD from Harvard, speaks 10 languages, has a plane license, is charismatic, intelligent and funny they won't date her, if she fails to meet their own - often unrealistic standards. On the contrary, they will. On the contrary, they will date a girl, even if she doesn't have an amazing personality, and is kinda rude or arrogant to others, as long as she's beautiful and isn't a convict. How men couples have you seen, where the man was less conventionally attractive or younger than a woman?
*how many couples
Typo
Out of all my friends the ones who objectify women the most are other women. There are guys who will look at a woman walking by because nature made him physically attracted although most of my friends aren’t the pigs depicted in movies. Saying that I know women who do the same just recently the Massimo référence came up between female friends talking about some guy we met. Massimo is apparently a tall dark guy on a Netflix movie who had wild sex with a girl on a boat among other stuff 😂. Saying that the biggest thing for me is women who badmouth other women out of spite it’s always looks or sexual history. Guys don’t do that at least not the properly educated ones. Oh that and height like you women don’t even pretend to hide that one 😂 I say all this but it probably depends on your country it’s very possible that in the United States it’s mostly guys but I struggle to believe it. ✌️
Not gonna lie, women are known to date questionable looking creatures, so much so that other males see them and ask "What am i doing wrong", but dudes will have a decent looking girl and dudes will go "as long as you're happy" A lot of people are basing their opinions on social media influencers who don't represent the majority of women in reality.
In Western culture they're both shallow as hell... the only difference is that a lot of guys-even publicly -will freely talk about/praise a woman's looks, letting it be known that he values those first. The VAST majority of females deny, deny, deny that they're attracted to douchebag low rent drug dealers because of their ride, clothes, cash... even as they're with 3 of them simultaneously and being rude and abrasive to guy working at the convenience store counter. They deny more than Bill Clinton, even if the mountain of evidence in that moment is taller than Denali. That's the only difference.
Women are much more shallow towards men, simply because they won't give most guys a chance until they are older and desperate. They are shallow in the sense that most women dont have anything else to offer than their looks and youth which they get for default. Most men are sexually invisible to most women.
The women stating "men are more shallow" are Chad Chasers.
There have been several studies (dating back to Kinsey I believe) that women "fall out of love" much easier than men. This has to be especially true with younger women who have a lot of Sexual Market Value.
Women are a loyal as their options.
I honestly think we’re shallow, there is a reason women got to put make up ons wear cute sexy outfits by wearing them tight or revealing and further more they have more curves then we do. I’d say they are more attractive compared to our “natural” face, fully covered loose fitting clothes and square body. We have to go by our money and materialistic, possessions, and standard of living.
Men are more shallow. If a woman has good ( in their opinion) tits and ass, no matter how crazy she is, men will date her. My own brother has dated the craziest, laziest, vapid chicks because they were blondes with big boobs. His friends are the same way.
@turnpost In my circle good tits and good ass means big tits and firm ass. More often than not I see very attractive women and average looking men so what does it tell me? Men are way more into looks.
Big tits aren't a win for me.
Firm ass, I never fapped to the density of materials.
Small ass is cute. Fat ass is just great lol. Firm feels like it would hurt for me.
On Average Women most women are very pretty. Or can afford to become pretty. I guess you can say men are into looks but there less likely to discriminate on it.
The height thing is clear preference and it excludes across the board.
But there are some women will at best Overlook this detail.
Men... they are always going after women purely for their beauty. Women don't do that as often and go after men for personality
Yeah, that's bullshit. The last 9 women I've talked to were after my money.
I'd say it's pretty even. I think society as a whole have become a s***hole when it comes to dating nobody tries to get to know anybody anymore. They take about 10 minutes, read you like a balance sheet and determine whether you're worthwhile or not. You can't determine that in 10 minutes. Half the time you ain't even meeting the real person even. Just the person they're pretending to be for the world.
Men. See how most women try so hard to look perfect while most men are frumpy? It shows the dynamic. Women must look good because men care a lot and I would even say only about looks while men can be accepted as they are.
Men can be accepted as they are? Lol. That's funny because it's the reverse. We for the most part aren't accepted unless we can provide some kind of value. Women are far more likely to be accepted for who they are, including their flaws. Men on the other hand, you can forget about it.
If they weren't they would try way harder. I personally assumed the question was about looks so I didn't consider providing material or social things. Even then women are not accepted as they are, they must be the hottest version of themselves to be accepted. People don't give a shit about a woman's personality or her job or hobbies. All that is valued in her is her apparence.
Uh, wrong. I don't know where you're getting this stuff from, but it's very inaccurate. Even less attractive women will be wanted by men all over the world, ESPECIALLY if she has a good personality. And guys have been trying many times with extreme effort and majority of them fall flat on their face. Because a lot of times they are overlooked by even average looking women or below average looking women because they think that they are above the level of guys hitting on them. You don't know this because you don't pay attention to the other side of the dating atmosphere. And in terms of not paying attention to a woman's job or personality, that's only when he is just looking for sex. A relationship and/or marriage is a whole different ball game.
honestly both. its feminist women and red pill men that all act the same. They're all toxic. But if i had to pic one i'd say women cause its easier for them to get away with it
You realize it’s damn near impossible to ever get an accurate read on this. Gender divide is to be expected.
Women by far, as they will disqualify men for the most vapid reasons, like not having an iPhone or being under 6' tall. Men just want a woman to not be fat, not be a hoe, and not be a bitch which is very reasonable.
I hate gender wars. It's always just drifting us apart instead of trying to be in peace. I put men because they are always bragging about being visual creatures but we all want a partner whom we find appealing.
Not the Gender but the Culture itself... People Follow culture more...
@Starrrboy thank you
A lot of men will fuck anything with a pulse. I don't see any plus size male models. Women are more shallow.
Women. For me, looks is an inherent and inseparable part of a person. While money, that women are after, is something completely external to the "loved" one.
It depends on the definition of "shallow".
It’s a matter of age and maturity. Everyone starts off shallow.
Women are more shallow then men but they will say it is men, they are more judgmental on looks, and are less likely to date the disabled.
Why'd you bring up the disabled specifically?
@GenderEqualityMyth Because it shows they are more shallow then men. They are also more likely to leave their husband if he becomes disabled or suffers from poor health, i should have added that to my answer
Who cares? What a pointless debate. More men vs women nonsense. Both can be shallow and it's both equally stupid
id say it’s women because they have much more criteria than men get to have. Men are shallow about looks but women are shallow about looks, height, status, dick size, money, etc
Lets just put it this way. A man has to become something to be noticed. Women are just born and get noticed without having to do much
lol I didn't think this poll would be that polarizing
Gender doesn’t effect how kind someone is or not in any way.
Not sure. I've seen a lot of what I think of as shallowness from both.
Women are more shallow, they just pretend they’re not!
Men have all the insecurities.
Wasn't really the question was it, i swear you are the same pink anon that just responds to slag off men on every question relating to gender.
these days i would say its even
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