I think in the end you can't label one gender as this or the other. Because it has to do with individuals. The same way I know there are racists but not all white people are racist is the same way women know that there are some disgusting sexists but not all men are sexist. The last thing I want to say is... Check your own prejudice against men... Ik a lot of Black people who are really predjudical against white people. "white people this, white people that." It's disturbing especially when it come to them wanting to end the racial divide... Don't promote sexism by preaching that all men are thirsty misogynist. Make sure you don't adopt the idea that all men are this or that because that would make you sexist...
I really agree with what you say, but I don't think that is the point the questions wanted to rise (in my understanding, at least)I think the question is about which sex has a bigger share of sexist individuals. It should not imply that one gender is INHERENTLY more sexist then the other, just which, at this point in time, have the bigger number (or ratio) of sexist individuals
By the way, I'm curious to know your answer under this perspective, from your experience
In that case I think I'd have to say men... Media sexualizes women so much especially when it comes to porn. It causes those who view porn to look at woman more and more as objects of pleasure rather than smart and unique individual who contribute to society in a positive way. Porn I think is one of the biggest contributors. Because many men don't know what a real woman is or is meant to be. But to be fair... Women are the ones who have put themselves in this situation to begin with. Most porn stars go into the industry because they need money. Same reason why women become prostitutes. But the fact that they lower their standards so low just to make a quick buck is a shame in the first place. Personally I believe it's disgustingly stupid for prostitution to be illegal, and pornography to be legal.( I do understand though that some women are in in the industry against their will, and men as well)So I guess what I'm saying is I feel like women fuel their own oppression more than I think they realise. And the same is true for People of color.
I think white people can be more racists than people of color. But this may be because the black population which is made up of less people the the white commits more crime statistically. Though this because the governmental system in the us has oppressed and marginalized blacks so long and so much they new generations of blacks are growing up poor. Their only source of income comes from being in a gang pushing dope. And it's usually good money too. The problem with that is they have to compete with rival gangs. This competition leads to violence. And in the end drugs are illegal. As well as weapons and sex trafficking. So when television always show this group of African americans stuck in a endless cycle of poverty, violence and oppression. They don't make enough money to make better lives for themselves so they keep resorting back to what they know. They don't receive the education they are meant to receive because the schools are underfunded. It becomes harder and hard for them to stay in school as they get older and their friends join gangs because now
"little cuh gotta support his family" and others get strapped up with guns to defend themselves. It's a mess and it's been like this for years. Which is why crime shows depict this world the way they do. They show blacks shooting at cops, Robbing stores, shooting each other, selling drugs. More and more these things instil fear in the kinds of people of color. That right other black people are scared of black people, how crazy is that to say. So of course whites are going to be terrified of blacks too. The problem is when they carry that same fear outside of the hood. That leads to them believing all black people are inherently dangerous or violent. And let's be honest. White people don't even have anything to do with the hood. So in many ways their fear is unfounded. Though it doesn't take away the fact that black people do mug and rape as well but so do white people. Arguably whites show be just as scared of other white as they are of black people.So I don't know maybe black people are more racist because we are even racist against ourselves. What's more oppressive than insulting some because they are doing well for themselves. Calling each other coons and uncle tom's because they want to stay on the straight and narrow. It's disgusting... So really I don't know.
Oh wow, seems like I opened up a Pandora's box here ahahahJokes aside, I'm glad you took your time to explain it so clearly. You make some good points.But let me stick with the sexism part of it, since I really lack information about racism especially in the US that has a particularly complicated situation in that regard... I'll just use that as an example in my next lines (which I'll separate from this to not encounter the word cap)
You say men are generally more sexist (again, talking about the number of individuals) and point how porn can be a part of why that is so. Although I agree with the sentiment I wouldn't point the finger against the porn industry in itself but rather on the lack of sexual culture and education.To clarify: we all have sexual needs and many don't have the chance to satisfy those needs. Thus they search for release whether that is in masturbation, porn, prostitution or a combination of those and I think that is quite normal. Thus I don't think taking these away would be healthy for those people even if this does indeed bring some people to believe that what they see in porn/prostitution is an example of how women actually are. But that is no different from people thinking that it's normal to beat your rival in love to death because they saw it in a movie: it's a delusion that comes from how they haven't been educated properly to distinguish between products made for entertainment and those made for information/education/example.So I strongly disagree with you saying that porn should not sexualize women as that is EXACTLY THE POINT of porn (both for women and men of course). Banning it because people take it as an example for reality, to me, sounds like banning action movies to reduce violence... In both scenarios I believe that the issue lies in education
Another point on which I disagree with you is with women "lowering their standard" and working in the porn industry or prostitution to make a quick buck.I don't mean to make light of the issues of black people in the US, but I'd like to make an analogy here.Just like some black people don't see any other choice then resorting to crime to make some money, some women have the same thoughts when they get into porn or prostitution. They NEED the money, and often don't see another way around. Saying that they are lowering their standard by doing that to me seems akin to saying that black people "lower their standard" and commit crime... They often don't have another choice or they don't think to have one
So, long story short, in regard to sexism, at least on the few sources of sexism we've mentioned, I'd say that it's wrong to accuse the porn industry for it but rather the education and culture of those that get deranged by it.But I do think that (outside of porn) there is an exaggerated objectification of women, especially in commercials and movies (both animated and not). In those scenarios their purpose is not to sexualize something and yet they do it to appeal to customers. I find that more misleading rather then someone doing it purposefully to excite sexual desire (which is the actual target of porn and prostitution)I apologize if I may have not been clear in my exposition, I'm writing this on my phone so it's quite hard to edit the text properly.Please let me know if any part is unclear, I don't mind discussing the subject some more ^^
(I agree with everything you said except your last box.) Actually because I feel like your last box kind of proves my point on that matter. First and foremost yeah I think education is really important in this whole regard so I bet that is a key reason such oppression is concurrent (is that the right word? I don't know) I think your comparison is spot on. But as I said black people commiting crime is want adds to their oppression and why others fear them. They do what they have to do to make money yes... But we know stealing and selling drugs is wrong. Even many of the people who do those things know that it's wrong... But they do it anyway because they need the money. Thats them lowering their standards. Just like with black people stealing, when women engage in prostitution and porn to make money it influence their own oppression and their own perspective. In the end people are judge by what they do. Or what is commonly associated with something. For instance black people are consider thugs by man white people. The same as women are considered as objects of sex by many men. Sad but true reality
Essentially if you are going to excuse women for prostitution and the creation of porn, you should also excuse Black people for their crimes such as Theft and Drug dealing.
This was really interesting perspective, it's a rare treat to see someone write with such insight on both sides of a debate.
Oh boy, seems like I missed a notification! My apologies @NotKrispyAlthough I don't completely disagree with your last point, I also believe there is a distinction to be madeWhile theft and drug dealing are crimes (something that negatively impacts whoever is on the receiving end of those actions), pornography and prostitution are SERVICES in which the one providing the service is often a victim of the industry that manages said serviceSo (and this is just an example, I am not saying things should go this way IRL, just following the examples we gave so far) while we should excuse the crimes, there is no crime to excuse on the women's part, rather they are often on the receiving end of one in those industries, even if they may started participating in good faith and weren't originally forced to (good examples of prostitution and pornstars aren't very common, unfortunately. I'd suggest the "Mia Khalifa" case for one of the more mild cases, where despite going in in good faith and interested in the industry and being quite popular in her appearances, she barely made any money while receiving a very hard backlash in her everyday life)So I don't think we should keep those women workers accountable for enforcing a stereotype but it would make more sense to point our sight on who employed them and who makes use of their services and pushes for them to be kept going (that is, if one assumes the prostitution and pornography should be banned, an opinion which I do not share. You can see my question on the subject if you're curious about that)...
To complete the example, while it seems logic to say the same about "black crime" there is still the fact that... It is crime, as harsh as it sounds, so you cannot exemp them for responsability as easily, making it particularly important to distinguish between who acted for survival and who for profit. Am I making sense? I'm really tired but wanted to answer anyway despite that since I'm 5 days late already, I hope I'm still explaining my point clearly enough
Haha I don't know about insightful but thanks man. 😂
@SomeGuyCalledTomI think it's nearly as rare to see someone take his time to read, understand and appreciate these kind of debates, so I'll take the chance to tip my hat to you and thank you for your comment. I'm glad our conversation can be useful to you or others
I'm not saying an entire gender is sexist. I'm implying that there are more sexist people in one gender than the other. It's a hard pill to swallow but it's true. Both genders don't have the exact same amount of sexist people.
This, entirely - the whole 'talking to the room' - when each relationship, even the sentiment - is always tied to a specific person. The asker is wondering if she is more sexist than some specific man - and asks it as a general question. It really could be 'who is more sexist, me (for this and this) or this guy (for such and such...)'
I would agree men have been more openly sexist probably a little thanks to Religion. But now religion is not so cultural prevalent as back then. It's kinda started evening out about both been openly sexist.
It was actually always more acceptable for women to be sexist.. Men just happen to get noticed for or assume that what they do is "sexist".. Simply because the microscope has always been on men..
Not really, Women couldn't own property due to men, Women couldn't be the ones to divorce due to men, women were seen as witchs guys were not. Pretty sure if you look through history you will find it is way more acceptable for guys to be sexist if a women was sexist she would of been hung for been a witch simple as that.
@Kaneki05 Well, women could actually own property but it wasn't that common as you needed money to own land.. In fact it wasn't common for most people men or women to own land.. And I don't know much about the divorce thing, but if a woman were to be a widow she would get everything of her late husbands.. But the husband nor the children got any of the wife posessions.. She got to keep them.. And with the Salem witch trials men and women got accused on dapplin in witchcraft.. And plenty of men were hung for crimes against women.. In fact a woman most likely wouldn't get punished like a man most times for physical crimes.. And sine the husband was considered the head of the family he took responsibility for crimes the wife committed..
@JDavid25 Under the common law legal doctrine known as coverture, a married woman in British North American colonies and later in the United States had hardly any legal existence apart from her husband. Her rights and obligations were subsumed under his. She could not own property, enter into contracts, or earn a salary. More women died for been witchs in Salem as your example only 5 i think were men, the rest were female and across the land it was more widely accepted that women were witches most of the time in fact the men were killed because they were thought to conspire with the witches Aka you probably been a normal who was like huh wait a min this is a bit crazy to kill this women i know and like for no reason Then them been Are your with her blasphemer. Then nvm in more recent history women couldn't vote and why not because guys were been openly sexist about women shouldn't have that right smh.
If it was more openly accepted for women to be sexist we wouldn't have feminists, and we would have some male activists for there rights or something lol
I agree with you, but I'm just warning you, there might be a man-baby barrage coming your way lol.
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^ take into consideration im speaking from largely a Western Perspectiveso I am not taking into consideration Asia for example.. where plenty of practices are clearly discriminatory against Women
So who's more sexist?
I'd say women are.
Recognising what works for each gender I wouldn't necessarily say was sexist
Men can dislike it all they want, it’s what I’ve seen. And I’m not generalizing. Quit being petty. If you dislike this, you’re probably one of those men who beat their wives if you could get one
Sexism is like Racism you don't see your own prejudice because it's blocked by the oppression of others. I compare sexism to racism because I as a black male can relate better this way. There are racist people. I've met my fair share of them. But meeting 1 racist white guy out of the 500 white guys I know shouldn't prompt me to to claim that all white guys are racists. Especially considering I KNOW not all 500 of the white guys I know are prejudicial towards people of color. I also know that everyone has a certain level of predjudical bias in their heart whether they know it or not. It's an effect of the world we live in. So when it comes to sexism it's unfair to claim that guys are inherently sexist. Because you've formerly met guys who have made misogynistic comments. One particular experience of mine is I had an older white lady ask me with a stern voice if I had paid for something as I left the store with it, implying that I may have stolen what I had purchased. So does that mean all old white ladies are racists? I know they aren't, because I infact consider an older white Lady as my second grandmother. (Which I mean is ironic cuz I'm black) there was another guy who said to my face, he was going to "shoot all the ni****s at school with his glock 18." He was most definitely racist... But does that mean every white highschool male is racist.. or even homicidal? Not at all. The same way I can't say that women are sexist because I've had some women say that I "probably have a small d***" and unfortunately I've been touched by a woman when I didn't want to be. Like you don't just randomly grope a guys balls. That's completely in appropriate. And I know not all women are like that. Which means not all women are sexist.
Wow, the first answer I felt like putting a like on. I disagree with you as I've seen as much prejudice from both sides (from my limited experience, that comes from frequenting people moslty below 30), but at least you made a point I think is pretty important: it's about HOW MANY sexist people there are, it's not like the whole gender is like those few individuals
"Men can dislike it all they want" <-- what's funny actually is women are disliking more when ever a guy claims women are more sexist.
@NotKrispy Yeah I agree with you, one person does not represent the entire race/gender. I’m just going by my personal experiences and what I’ve seen.
@Vencam Agreed, thanks for the upvote by the way lol
@Aiko_E_lara that’s some women, not all of them. My opinion isn’t bashing men specifically so I don’t get why there are downvotes.
Lol you think that's bad? How cute, read some stuff your fellow women say about men on here.
@6suejsjsj objectifying the entirety of a gender is bad, and disgusting. It’s not cute how y’all make rape jokes too. Stfu. I’ve never met a woman who’s say anything nearly as bad to men, and if there is, that sucks and I don’t support that but objectifying women isn’t cute. Fuck off
If you're entitled to give your opinions and we are also. I can say some women are disgusting in my opinion
@Aiko_E_Lara okay? I never said there weren’t any disgusting sexist women either. Both genders can be sexist. I don't know what your argument is. 🙄
Funny how you contradict yourself.
Just like i never said men weren't disgusting either. But what i still find the funniest is you complaining about men disliking your comment when majority of the dislikers are basicly women here. Another funny thing is it basically backfired your opinion
@Aiko_E_Lara LOL I didn’t backfire my opinion at all, if you think I did it’s because you never understood my opinion to begin with. I’m not complaining, I’m just saying. And funny because I haven’t seen many female dislikers
I understood your just trying to give your opinion so i'm just doing exactly what you're doing but now how do you think do you sound? Well i'm just saying
@aiko_E_Lara my point is that I never disliked anyone else’s opinions so don’t come complaining about how you see women doing it to me. I don’t have control over what other women do.
And since when was i even complaining? Again i'm just doing exactly what you're doing if you're going to say complaining, wouldn't that make you one? That's what i'm talking about. you are back fired
One nuance to add: women can be equally sexist yet their sexism often manifests in different ways. But women such as yourself may not notice this sexist behavior in other women, because you're only looking for the kind of sexism you've historically received from certain men. To give one example, "beta male shaming" is a common sexist behavior enacted by certain women, and is largely tolerated or even laughed about by their female friends. Because women collectively do not label such behaviors as "sexism", they go under the radar, compared to more overtly sexist acts like a man saying "women belong in the kitchen"
@SomeGuyCalledTom well yes of course women can be sexist as well. I’m just saying I haven’t met many sexist women, doesn’t mean they aren’t out there. And some things just aren’t sexist, but people tend to be overly sensitive. Like when men say women aren’t physically as strong, that’s not sexist, it’s a scientific fact. Most “sexist” things I hear from women aren’t usually aimed directly at men if that makes sense. Regardless, sexism sucks.
Well then, if you say a lot of people tend to be sensitive, that would also mean more women just "think" men are sexist.
@Aiko literally fuck off, there’s a difference between facts and opinions. Having sexist opinions, makes you sexist. Men being physically stronger or men generally being less emotional IS a proven fact which isn’t sexist towards either gender. “Women should just cook and clean” is an OPINION and it is a sexist one, is my point. I don't know why you insist on arguing for no reason, I wasn’t even talking to you. Bye now
So why are you now telling me to fuck off when Im also just giving opinions? So let me guess, you're the only one who's entitled to do so around here? If you're not then you fuck off if you can't handle other's opinions too
@aiko I told you to fuck off because yes you can have your opinions, but you don’t have to direct them at me for no reason. Also you’re replying to MY comment, so you can fuck off if you can’t handle my opinion. Thank you.
Nobody is exactly directing anything to you just like you're not directing anything to anyone so if you're going to accuse me of doing so you would be back fired if i do the same thing again
Men are definitely not proven to be less emotional. That's nothing more then a stereotype. Women are more encouraged to show it, a bit too much if you ask me.
@6suejsjsj So sorry emotions upset you, you’re the reason why women are so complicated, you make them wanna suppress what they actually feel, men and women should be able to let out their emotions without being judged thank you very much
If you're gonna continue assuming anyone is triggered then here are perfect words to describe you What do you call people who always assumes you're triggered? ↗
@aiko_e_lara ok... bye. I never assumed anyone was triggered lmao
Ok i'll rephrase them. You're indeed not assuming were triggered. (Sarcasm)"I never disliked anyone else’s opinions so don’t come "complaining" about how you see women doing it to me.""I told you to fuck off because yes you can have your opinions, but you don’t have to direct them at me for no reason. Also you’re replying to MY comment, so you can fuck off if you can’t handle my opinion. Thank you.""So sorry emotions upset you"Actions speaks louder than words
I don't think people care unless it's your doctor trying to treat all your stds.
Acknowledging your sexist doesn't make you anyone any less sexist.
Interesting point. Many women want men to take care of them, but when men refuse and cite things being equal... The man is said to be the bad one.. Double standards have to end.
@sandy343244 no but men already drive down their sexism, cause we live in a matriarchy and women are on the mora high horse right now, while it's completely forbidden to be a manly man. so that's why women are more sexist. cause they don't have to adjust. tey just keep demanding.
Oh yes I agree with you on that one. Dare a man be a man and say "I find you hot and want to screw you" that's evil... Just like us guys having an evening drinking, horsing around watching boxing lol
honeybunss, but it does make you more admirable. Even though he would probably hate my guts, I can admire really going against the grain.
@SummerGreen who would hate your guts? XD
How? Both genders don't have the exact same amount of sexist people.
Funny how a guy thumbed me down but didn’t have the balls to say why.
Don't worry I just read this and gave you a thumbs down because that's the most logical sexist thing for me to do 👌
That said, the "most sexist" men are probably more likely to escalate "casual" sexism into actual harassment compared to the "most sexist" women. Especially if those men occupy positions of power. I suspect it's like a pareto distribution, wherein 80% of the harassment and sexual coercion is carried out by 20% of the male harassers. The Weinsteins of the world have the means to "scale up" their campaigns of targeted harassment and abuse. Of course women in powerful positions can also be abusive or harassing to male subordinates, but I suspect there's less of those women than the powerful male harassers.But in any case, that disparity is likely seen only in the extreme ends of the distribution curve of sexual harassers. The "average male sexist" and "average female sexist" likely share a level playing field, so to speak, and make up a similar % of their respective gender.
I don't think anyone expects you to link an academic article on this ahahahWhy do you think it is so, if I may ask? What do you think is the biggest driving force behind that?
No that's technically complete bullshit. Is that sarcasm? Are you dumb?
No, because both genders don't have the exact same amount of sexist people.
That doesn't make sense, considering the question asks which gender IS more... not which gender HAS more... Are you measuring quality or quantity?
Quantity. You're right, I should have said "has more".
But in this case, how are quantity and quality different? If one gender "has more" sexist people then wouldn't the quality of sexism be the same for that gender?
Quality is a consideration of how deeply people believe, while Quantity is a tally of how many believe. Would you prefer a large number of followers who don't care beyond a basic level or a smaller group offering fanatical support?
Personally, I'll always take a determined few over the weakness of many
This example kinda strays from the topic of sexism, but the concept remains
I care because I asked the question and I agree.
With the two options women or men, 71% of the women and 31% of the men voted men, while 29% of the girls voted women and 69% of men voted women.If the app had an equal amount of men and women voting (instead f in the men's favour) the results would be almost exactly 50/50
There’s studies showing that women interrupted other women talking more than men interrupted women yet women only complain about men.
@hahahmm yeah, mansplaining is bullshit. Women and men both interrupt people
@SummerGreen then you should stay off a site called girls ask guys. Go to “women know everything” instead.
i see, 1 like - 1 dislike, perfect equality, thank u 2!