I want to have a chance with a western man because they seem less controlling than Arab men, but seems just like they are not interested in dating arab women. And I wonder
why?
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Although I'm definitely attracted to Arab woman...
But me being a "atheïst", meaning that I have no specific religion I devote myself to while also not really believing in the idea of a god either...
I'm very doubtful that Arab ( family's ) will not accept a non-believer to Mary their daughter because most arabs are very religious and not liking atheïst that much...(At least that's what they tell us on media channels)
Personally I respect every country, religion and traditions out there and I also wouldn't have any problems with my woman being religious, or having a different way of life then me, I totally accept and respect them for who they are because diversity is a beautiful thing to experience in this world. Every culture has their own beauty and I'm curious to learn about their traditions and way of life.
I'm not sure if Arab woman are actually into white guys being atheïst... I often hear Arab girls in my country say that the parents wouldn't except them having a western boyfriend. They want their daughters to marry someone out of their own community.
But I would love to hear if I'm completely wrong... Personally I'm very curious how a relationship with a Arab girl is going to be like, because I think they could be the best type of woman a men can ask for. I think they are very supportive and caring with a high level of self respect unlike most western woman they days. Western society is creating slutty girls who just wanne show themselves openly to everyone on the internet getting high from the attention or money they get out if it.
Being semi/nude on internet is very unattractive so I prefer non-western woman in general because they are still how woman always where and I respect them a lot for that.
You like Muslim women being Atheist, but Muslim women never like a man like you
Thanks
Because Arab women are usually clad in burqas.
And even when they aren't, over 90% of them are hideous because they've been exempt from mate-selection processes for centuries. If you don't understand what I mean by that... in other countries, guys usually marry women they find attractive, and so that attractiveness gets passed on genetically. Meanwhile muslim countries tend to go with arranged marriages and hide female appearance with clothing, so nobody knows what they get before they end up stuck together... so there is no appearance-based selection. The end result is that muslim women are typically ugly, and the men have absolutely no self-control around women who aren't ugly...
@Cheerfull009 agreed, it's just they don't have as much competition since most Muslim countries have lots of male population so they don't have to beautify themselves or make much effort. You might think Western women have it easy Arab and Muslim country women have it even easier to date and marry since they have a lot more option. And it should be noted that countries like Pakistan and Turkey don't have girls wearing Burqah as such
@Cheerfull009 : You're just making excuses. If a physical trait is not being selected for in any way then it will not be retained over generations. And what determines physical beauty is primarily determined via mate-selection since it doesn't convey any direct physical benefit. Ergo if the mate-selection process is not taking place then aesthetics considered desirable will not be retained across generations.
Simply put, if who you marry is arranged by the parents of both parties to form social connections, and then you arrange marriage for your own children in turn, and they arrange marriage for their children, with nobody involved actually able to pick for themselves... then there is no mate-selection pressure and everyone involved will gradually get uglier from generation to generation.
Although I have known a Muslim Arab woman who was married to a non-Muslim European man, the prohibition on non-Muslim men marrying Muslim women, combined with the disapproval of family members, especially fathers, prevents large numbers of Arab women from being with Western men.
It's hard to meet them and get to know them when culturally it's so difficult to spend time with a Muslim woman from an orthodox area.
I don’t deny there are some extremist arab but they only make up 10% of the population. 90% are moderate Muslims or agnostic. Things have changed with the younger generation so i think the idea of its hard is a bit exaggerated as long as you are approaching in a respectful way. It’s fine for most of them
They may be modern/moderate, but if their family is not then it is hard to get to know them. I have spent time for work in Dubai, Saudi, Kuwait, Iraq, Afghanistan and a couple other places. I was fortunate through work to meet some extraordinary women, but I would not have had that opportunity if we did not work together. In the U. S. I meet a lot of women while I'm out doing cardio. Obviously in most of those countries I named that would not happen. If I find the 90% of the population that you are talking about to be attractive, where would you suggest would be the best place to meet them? I'm sure a great many people here would also like the answer, even if they are silent in this conversation.
So I do charity races every weekend. 5k, half marathon, that sort of thing. We have a very high Iraqi and Afghan population where I live because of defense contracting, incidentally, so even though I'm in the U. S., I'm in a fairly high Muslim population area -- context.
So if I want to meet a white woman or an Asian woman, or to a lesser frequency a black woman, I can pretty much count on doing that at every race, because most of the people there are female. Very rarely do I see women from Muslim countries there. I don't go to mosque, so that's out as a meeting place, and then you get into the whole issue of "will they have approval from their parents?" I'm not going to go to the clubs to meet women because that's not my scene and if it's something she's big into, we're not going to get along anyway. At my current job I don't work with any. When I go to the grocery store it is predominantly men there or much older married women.
The question really was merely, "I am open to suggestions as to how I can do exactly what you are talking about... where/how do I start?" Jordanian women are clearly quite beautiful but I don't want to have to fly to Jordan over and over again to try to date, so I would say, what is the easiest way here in the states to meet prospective dates?
I think like one of the other users said, it's a numbers game. I think a great many western men would date moderate Arab women. Some of the most attractive women I ever saw were walking around Baghdad and Tikrit before the whole ISIS thing. I went to a nightclub in Basra with some coworkers long ago and it was a symphony for the eyes. I think the problem as to why does it not happen more is that we simply do not ever meet those women.
''Arabian'' to me is from that dreadful peninsula.
Due to their folkloristic clothing style, no one knows how they look like, until it's too late.
''We'' Western men also have a strong dislike to be coerced into changing religion, just because we like a specific ''Arabian'' woman.
And... your wish to USE ''us'' just because your local choices are crappy, is as shady as the ''yellow fever'' that many of ''us'' expose.
Where are you from if you don’t mind?
And no you get me wrong, I wouldn’t date any western man. Only a man who i feel connected to, can understand me and i can understand him. I don’t think i am wrong for choosing to date them because of my culture. I’m bilingual and i am influenced by both oriental and western culture.
And not all men in my culture are crappy. It’s just most of them are religious and i am not, so it’s less likely I will get along with them.
Also, if i was a religious arab woman I won’t have this problem from the first place.
Well - from your self description you seem to have a good head-start (this is a compliment).
Thanks for clarification.
Myself, I was born German, live in SE-Asia. Some years in Malaysia, and now Thailand),
- not by choice, but by ''accident'' -
and I had some contact to Saudi Arabia.
Where (seen on your profile) I am aware that Jordan will be different from the typical Arabian brutes.
I talked with a North African Muslim once, and called him an Arab. He felt extremely offended.
Where is it ''racist'' to dislike the typical style of a specific culture? At max, I see this as stereotyping... which is kind of an error to do.
Me for example once felt quite offended when someone assumed that I'm ''American''. But that was because of cultural/behavioral reasons, not because of genetics.
Jordan Kings brought white Skinned western women in their palaces after marrying, so they encourage their people, to be open and free like west, not like Saudi Arabia, Kuwait and Qater
If you are Muslim that might be a big part of it. Kind of hard to start a conversation with someone that you can only see their hands and face. Not that it is a bad thing far from it. It just isn't something western men are used to. You may need to approach them yourself to get the conversation going
Arab women are beautiful it’s more to do with the religion in my opinion
There is too much harshness in my opinion. The men need to learn self control so they can be gentle instead of forcing and depending on society to be right so they can be right with God and sure there should be modesty but that doesn’t mean you should be wrapped up like a burrito about to have a heat stroke lol
Not all western men are christian...
not sure, lack of opportunity? cultural differences?
Asian women are bountiful... don't see as many arab women.
I've dated an Arab woman before. I was surprised she liked me. Most women think I am too effeminate. But for her, she liked that I wasn't hyper-masculine.
She said similar things that you mentioned about the guys being controlling.
There is a huge difference between being masculine but confident , controlling that came out of insecurities
Yeah, when I went to her country, I saw the guys were crazy. If a guy said some of the stuff they say in the West, he would get arrested. But in her country, they get away with it.
The culture was so different.
Because you haven't looked. Ever been to the UK? France?
So how can you take a walk through London. . . like through Westminster and not see Arab women with European men?
The last time I was there merely two days and I saw several couples. Then another one at Heathrow.
I dont think there are as many options with Arab women , its just a numbers game - access in a word , there are some stunning Arab women.
The issue is most are Muslim and the girls cannot/will not go out with a non-Muslim. The guys will, though.
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