How insecure do you consider a woman that doesn't accept a date of $15 or less?

[Vegasrunner]

[MzAsh]

I don’t see anything that bad about a $15 first meet vibe check, especially if it’s off of meeting online. But it’s not going to last long, probably about 30 mins. The two drive separately and the date is over right after the coffee and scones. Nothing romantic or sexual.

[Vegasrunner]

@MzAsh My original number is $10 but I've adjusted it for inflation. Coffee is a great first date because if the girl isn't attractive you can cut it short, but if it's going good you can extend it for as long as you need. All are going to end w/ romance why do you think guys take girls on dates for the first place. about 40% end in sex. My overall sex rule is 3 dates max, so I'm OK if I dont get laid on the first date.

[MzAsh]

Well, setting intentions for a $10-$15 coffee meeting isn’t actually a date, and it’s most definitely not romantic. Work lunches are better than that my guy lol

[Vegasrunner]

@MzAsh Perhaps for those that haven't had success dating women as a man. However if a woman is into you a date can be anywhere at anytime and romance is a natural result of the attraction creates. These are not things I expect you to understand as most women don't really understand relationships.

[Ez-Bri-Z_v2]

$15 is basically nothing this day and age. Basically a single meal at McDonald's. I'd wanna do something fun as a first date like go bowling or maybe the zoo. Hell even an old fashioned arcade place would work.

If we are paying for ourselves, that's one thing, but if he is paying for the whole thing than we aren't doing much of anything for $15 unless he is expecting me to go to his place for a movie and sex which I don't do on a first date.

[Vegasrunner]

@Ez-Bri-Z_v2 So how insecure do you believe she is?

[Ez-Bri-Z_v2]

I don't think it means she's insecure at all in that case. Like I said, $15 isn't much for a whole date. If anything, it just means the guy is most likely a cheapskate or he isn't interested in her. More likely than not it makes her more secure in knowing she dodged a bullet

[Vegasrunner]

@Ez-Bri-Z_v2 If a girl really likes you the amount you spend is irrelevant. My personal first date number is $10 but I adjusted for inflation. A woman that declines the date because of the amount, is definitely insecure, it's simply a matter of how insecure is she?

[Ez-Bri-Z_v2]

In that case, the man is insecure that he is going to be used. How is a woman going to know she likes you on a first date if you've never met before?

[Vegasrunner]

@Ez-Bri-Z_v2 So you're saying women that won't go over to a man's house to Netflix and chill are insecure?
Your first date question is an excellent question don't be embarrassed that you had to ask. You're confused because you see the date as the beginning, when really it's the finish line. For a man to go out on a real date w/ a woman, he had to do a bunch of things to attract he in the first place. The "date" is simply a culmination of that work. Setting a minimum spend amount assures that the women doesn't have alterior motives for going out w/ you. When you're a HV man the woman needs to earn your time. Personally I ust do a cheap coffee date, which allows me to quickly assess if this is someone deserving of my time.

[Ez-Bri-Z_v2]

No and don't try to put words in my mouth or flip this in your favor. It doesn't mean women are insecure if they don't want to go to a guys house for Netflix and chill because that's stupid for a first date. The expectation of sex is greater and generally you don't go to a guys house before you know him because that's dangerous AF.

And you are not a high value man.
That whole concept is laughable in itself.

But thank you for agreeing that a man is insecure for believing a woman has ulterior motives if she requires him to spend more than $15. I appreciate that.

[Vegasrunner]

@Ez-Bri-Z_v2 Did you not say that thinking you're going to be used constitutes insecurity? The expectation of sex isn't greater than the expectation of a man's money or are you making the claim that men should protect their money?
I'm not sure what it is you believe I'm agreeing w/ however, I recognize how easy it is for women to allow their emotions to override, logic. How can a woman require man o spend anything?

[Ez-Bri-Z_v2]

Nope I sure didn't say that. I said that it's a danger to go into a guys place on the first date before you know him.

Nobody can require anything from anyone in this scenario, however, if the guy wants to be a cheapskate out of his insecurities then don't be surprised if there isn't a second date.

[Vegasrunner]

@Ez-Bri-Z_v2 Which is an example of insecurities, ty for sharing that. If a women is only going on a date because of the amount of money you spend on her, why would you want a second date?

[Ez-Bri-Z_v2]

It's not insecurities, it's a safety issue.

It's not going on a date to see how much he will spend, but seeing how interesting he is, how much he actually wants to be there and if he actually pays attention to what i tell him. If he's just taking me for a cup of coffee I'd find that boring and wouldn't want to go out with him again because 1. he is not interesting and 2. He didn't listen to me and my interests. Maybe some women might like that, but not many.

I'm not denying there are women who use men for a free meal, but those are the exception, not the rule.

[Vegasrunner]

@Ez-Bri-Z_v2 Safety is probably the number 1 thing people feel most insecure about which is why the question isn't if womene are insecure rather to quantify how insecure they are. If a woman isn't excited to go out on a date w/ you then I advise men not to go out w/ that women. When a women is really into you she doesn't care where you go or what you do, she just wants to be around you. If a women is going on a date w/ the sole purpose of undergoing a Q&A session than you failed to create the proper amount of attraction and are wasting your time. My personal dating execution is to qualify the woman w/ my own questions to make sure she's not wasting my time, because there are plenty of beautiful women but only a handful of HV men like me. Whether you personally would go for a cup of coffee is irrelevant as the purpose of the exercise is to spend time w/ only highly motivated women that I want.

[Ez-Bri-Z_v2]

You lost me when you referred to yourself as a high value man again. I can't take you seriously or your silly arguments lmao

[Vegasrunner]

@Ez-Bri-Z_v2 That is certainly a position you are welcome to take. It simply validates why $15 should be the max for a first date

[Nirmroth]

I don't know what it has to do with beeing insecure but doing a dinner date were you pay both checks as your first one is just stupid. Thats reserved for women I actually put value and not strangers.

[Vegasrunner]

@Nirmroth Whats the relevance of paying both checks? I don't see that anywhere in the question and I'm not sure if it's a typo but can you please re-write the last sentence, not sure what you're trying to say.

[Nirmroth]

I guess thats what you were implying, that the guy invites the women to a an activity/dinner date were he pays as first date.

Otherwise if everyone pays their own part then I dont care if the Date is 15 or more per person.

I said I dont spent effort or money on a person which I dont value yet. Girlfriend treatment only for girlfriends basically.

[Nirmroth]

Or friends/family ofc

[Vegasrunner]

@Nirmroth No worries. Yes in this scenario the man has asked the woman out. I agree with your effort comment as my hard limit is $15 total that I spend on a first date.

[AviatorTom]

I wouldn't say she's insecure. She has standards, which is good.

[Laura131]

Don't think that has anything to do with insecurity lmao, but 15 dollars for just you or bouth of you, cuz if its for bouth of you.. Well.. Maybe she can get that 6 pice of McDonald's nuggets

[rachel776]

[LiamJHayden]

First meet, maybe first two, should be coffee shop type. That weeds out almost all of the food whores.

[Vegasrunner]

@LiamJHayden Yea, I always have a first date at a coffee shops. Weeds out the girls that aren't f***ing

[beefcakebradybatson]

Actually, I think a chap should spend about fifty bucks on a date.

[Anonymous]

U are insecure lol