Do men understand that Patriarchy ruin them too?

[n8765]

[Kaneki05]

Not really. If a guy just wants an easy life he for sure would be favored to that in a Islamic traditional patriarchy system.
It's a good thing many guys don't like an easy life, and we started to prefer women who could think for themselves and be unique to us.

[SixFootSexy]

The word you're looking for is not Patriarchy but instead:

Oligarchy /ŏl′ĭ-gär″kē, ō′lĭ-/
noun
Government by a few, especially by a small faction of persons or families.
Those making up such a government.
A state governed by a few persons.

https://www.youtube.com/embed/Nyvxt1svxso

[Anonymous]

Nothing ruins anything unless you let it. Plenty of people have happy lives.

[n8765]

Since when life on earth feels like a void

[Berethor]

How? the new left is ruinning the west, let it be overrun by savages, it needs to be stopped.

https://www.youtube.com/embed/j_e2QfiCb94

[n8765]

I literally didn't touch that point of view.. I Addressed it clearly, The System versus Males

[Berethor]

How the system versus males, that women more likely to get child custody than men?

en.wikipedia.org/.../Men%27s_rights_movement

[n8765]

Man, stick to the point... MALES VERSUS SYSTEM

[Berethor]

The system is not patriarchy a long time ago, there is a lot of women in politics nowadays.

[n8765]

Stick to the Point

[Berethor]

Your point don't make any sense, the patriarchy tend to be better than feminism.

[n8765]

it's not my fault that anything comes to you , you interpreting from that perspective just.. I asked normally how the System Affects Men, Do You know... or guess you maybe even didn't think about it

[Berethor]

You don't asked system, you asked patriarchy, anyway I am not an anarchist.

[n8765]

Hmm ok.. so let's expend this one 1. Define what is the system for you 2. considering that system you have in your mind , say your opinion how it affects Just the Male. 3 and now you can put it in a life time line historically increasing or descrising.. and consider the significant times and how males were affected by the system or patriarchy and 4. Think of examples when male were favoured by the 1. system, 2. Patriarchy but for to be used right after that

[NordicInScandinavia]

@berethor easy, they're seen as the primary care giver by society - which is the result of baambambam patriarchy and thus as the asker suggest: patriarchy is hurting men too.

[Berethor]

@n8765 there is no patriarchy anymore in the west, I shown how the system effects only men in the men's rights movement link that you ignored, women are allowed to do anything, it not patriarchy.

@NordicInScandinavia when men get drafted while women don't, it unfair for men.

[NordicInScandinavia]

@berethor

Yet again, blame patriarchy. And that depends on the country dear.

[genericname85]

it's not a "patriarchy" if men aren't who benefit. a patriarchy is the governing domination of men. if men aren't who profit from it, they're not the ones dominating.

[genericname85]

i disagree with calling it "patriarchy". because the fact that most of the people dominating are men is just coincidence, not determining the outcomes of policies or government. if that was the case, then men would be the profiteurs. i would rather call it aristochraty or oligarchy, cause that's who benefits and yeah the majority of them happen to be men. correlation, not causation.

[genericname85]

i hope you can see why i disagree with calling it "patriarchy", cause i am a man and i sure find it quite unfair to be lumped in with these folks just cause i have a dick.

[n8765]

Ok so in your first sentence the logic is that one.. ok so the question is.. Then who are the ones who dominating

[n8765]

Secondly aren't the whole system created in such sense that men think they profit and working for the good.. when they actually "favoured" that after to be used.. by that "" I don't meant in a healthy way

[n8765]

Ok so how men usually call it then instead of Patriarchy

[genericname85]

the ones dominating are oligarchs or the wealthy few. the majority of them happen to be men but they're not exclusively men, neither historically nor currently.

[genericname85]

i think calling it patriarchy is feminazi nonsense. just like their claim that they're for equality. if you'd be for equality, you'd be an egalitarianist, not a feminist.

[n8765]

Wait... so how do you call the period before the feminism

[genericname85]

i would call these times "pre tertiarization time". cause really the shift towards more women in labor wasn't caused by everyone suddenly realizing after 2000+ years that the inequalities between women and men were somewhat unfair. they always were unfair and everyone knew that cause men were stronger than women and men didn't have periods that periodically reduced their work force. that's why the traditional male breadwinner model existed. out of pure economic logic, not out of a male desire to oppress women (which in my view is a narrative that the "patriarchy" theory is trying to establish to antagonize men and create unneccessary sexist divide in the population).

it is only since the tertiarization of the industries that it is even possible to have a labour market in which women can actually compete with men or even outperform men. cause in the tertiary branch of the industry, physical strength doesn't matter so that's why women entered the workforce. not pecause of sudden moral paradigm shift.

and of course you'll historically see forces that opposed that shift cause generally people don't like change and that reflects in social pressures as well. it wasn't really that generally speaking "men didn't want women to work and actively oppressed them by conspiring to prevent them from having work". that's the common feminazi narrative that's simply not true.

[genericname85]

the traditinal social structure that existed before tertialization of the industry was formed by necessity and mere biological differences and was generally preferred not just by men but also by women. it was not result of unfair oppression even tho in some cases there certainly may have been some cases of actual unfair oppression. but that's not the main mechanism.

in case you don't know: tertialization is a overarching industrial trend away from traditional production of raw goods (primary industry sector) and the processing of raw goods (secondary industry sector which was the dominant sector during the industrialization), towards more common provision of services.

and you see that this is true by looking at the sectors. in the primary and secondary sectors, men still overwhelmingly dominate all industries even today. yes there's a few odd ones out and there's nothing wrong with that but women only really work in the tertiary sector cause that's where biological differences matter the least.

[standardguy]

You want this wrong remark about Patriarchy be treated as a truth.
In fact Patriarchy is a concept of the Bible, i. e. a concept of God. If you oppose to it you are against God and have no legitimate reason for speak about that topic.

[n8765]

We assume things like we are officially assistants of God

[standardguy]

I just read the Bible, the word of God. And we are the family of God. Because of that we can God, Dad or Father

[BCRanger10]

No, but then again that's because there is no patriarchy and feminists are just looking for stuff to complain about.

[Anonymous]

Stop worrying about gender and race. The ultimate battle is between the different classes. Identify politics have been implemented to distract the people from the real enemy.

[SotiCoto]

I don't know. I'm not "men".
I'm Anarchist though, so obviously any kind of hierarchy is bad.

[beefcakebradybatson]

I do, but too many men don't.

[n8765]

And when that realisation came

[Knightwatch27]

Nope, it doesn't ruin anyone.

[n8765]

So you consider you searched enough from this perspective and find no evidences

[Knightwatch27]

You can say that.

[n8765]

Ok so you checked the victims.. and not obviously I will not mention the female ones that you not get triggered but sticking to the point... So you search the experience and trauma of male victims too, right.. And all it's ok

[Knightwatch27]

I see no victims.

[CuriousMufuxka]

Are you secretly one?

[jahaims]

Lmfao.