How can an average-looking man become a dad if women avoid average guys?

[Dan_5001]

[Chazmatazz269]

By being above average in other valuable areas. Make more money. Be kinder and more charming. Be more provocative and mysterious. Be more fit and physically capable. Be funnier, or have another talent like music. Maybe the biggest one right behind having money is be a better listener. If a woman is even moderately interested and she’s mature, she will tell you what she wants and needs; sometimes very subtly. Detecting those clues is a giant green flag for women. When most men are saying “Tell me what you want. I’m not a mind reader!”, if you’re good at reading between the lines with women, you will have their attention.
Pro tip: avoid women who tell you what they don’t like by b*tching about their exes. That’s kind of what i meant by “if she’s mature”. Women who b*tch about their exes are waving a few red flags at you. One, she still blames men for all of her problems. Two, she especially blames her failed relationships on her exes. Three, she doesn’t recognize her part in those failures. Four, she hasn’t figured out how to discern what those failures mean about her. A woman that has learned those things and is applying that knowledge will tell you what she wants and needs without ever mentioning exes that you don’t directly ask about.
Men can do it too, mind you. Expert level is being able to share what you learned, good and bad, without mentioning your exes, even if you have been directly asked about them. And it doesn’t sound like you’re dodging the question if you do it well.
Make more money and be a better listener. Do the other things too, but those two are probably the most valuable.

[Mark_Est]

Stop being average. Not for women but for yourself, is that all you want in life? Do you want your children to see their dad as some average smuck? Or would you like them to see you as this hero figure of capability? And then strive to be like you in life..

[Dan_5001]

I don't want use plastic surgery just to remove the UEE & have more chin projections. Or take roids just to look superman. People have lost touch with reality because of media.

[Mark_Est]

All i hear is some excuses and whining my dude. Nobody is telling you to be fake or extreme. But be the best natural version of yourself.

[Dan_5001]

But you telling me not to accept myself and be someone else visually

[Mark_Est]

I am telling you not to accept being average for yourself. And i am not talking looksmaxxing/simpmaxxing. Am talking about skill, ability, achievements. And do it for yourself. Be the best you that you can be.

A man who is okay being average, weak and etc has self respect issue. Good luck dude.

"No man has the right to be an amateur in the matter of physical training. It is a shame for a man to grow old without seeing the beauty and strength of which his body is capable." - Socrates

[Dan_5001]

I have no problem looking slim & middle tier in looks.
You made that quote up on the spot.

[Mark_Est]

Clearly you dont, as per your question.

No, its basic history.

You sure are a pessimistic ball of meh. And then you wonder why women dont want such dudes. Why would they? And that is with everything.

Who wants the most mediocre meh tool, car, house, clothes etc etc, when you can get nice stuff for the same price?

And how could you even love your woman/kids but offer them meh? Cause you dont bother to be great for them.

[Dan_5001]

You sound like Andrew tate follower. 💀

[Mark_Est]

Its always the simpy betas. You have no arguments, just nonsense. Dudes like you are the reason why the west is going to shit. No point in going in circles with you. Good night.

[JazzieJanna]

U gotta meet the right person. And I don't know why u said women avoid average I don't.

[Anonymous]

He probably can't.

That is, He's going to have to wait his turn. She doesn't really want you. But later when she runs out of options (which most women will because most of what they want, does not want them. At least not for anything more than a roll). But later when those options run out then she'll consider the "avg. Guys". At that point you have to decide if you're ok with being her fallback, her 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 5th, 6th, 7th, choice, etc. If you are then you might get crack at her later on.

But keep in mind she still DOESN'T want you. She's tolerating you. Which means you're going to be on shaky ground with her. You're going to still have to convince her you're worthwhile. And even then she still might not accept you, might not EVER accept you. Personally i don't think a person who holds you in such regards from the jump is worth it. But this will be for you to decide.

[Laws-Of-Existence]

Average is the clean canvas that some cursed people wish for. Start doing what cursed people are doing. Rise higher than your born baseline.

[Dan_5001]

Nah, I don't hate myself your telling me not to like myself & change.

[Twalli]

They don't, because pretty bad looing guys can become dads. Statistically, average looking guys have a better chance than those bad looking guys.

[EmmaMary]

No idea, so you tell me!

[Agape93]

We don't. Cut the bullshit.

[Anonymous]

That is just a myth.

[832dreamboy]

C-A-I-S-H !!!