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We have a had social change over the last twenty years. A large amount of the "chase" has been made pathologic. Chasing a woman could get you a sexual harassment suit or even a restraining order. In fact, even discussing sex or sexuality is considered a hostile environment.
In that atomosphere, there isn't a lot of room for pursuing a woman once she says "no". On the first "no", I generally walk away. It's just a better bet.
I mean when you are in a realtionship with her and she is about to leave that men don't seem to chase us
Different story.
Of course the answer depends on the person. If they have a real problem, certainly but if they are just doing it for the attention, perhaps not. I had a few gfs that did the "I'm leaving" game once too many times. If they say they want to go, believe them.
See? there you go. that's what I'm talking about. We don't feel you really want us when you don't fight to keep us and you just say bye is pretty much what your saying. Some of us don't really want to leave but say we are because there's problems but want you guys to stop us, not let us go. that's not chasing us and we like that. Its not a game. Its jus we want to feel like you really liked being with us and not want us to really leave so what's wrong with figting for us if you really want that girl?
Y this ego? Cause that's what it is. Like your too good to chase us anymore and you wnt to believe we mean when we may or may not but that's not the point. We want to know that it bothers you that we are leaving and that you'll come for us. then maybe we can wrk whatever it is out, you kno?
Actually, it is a game and some people choose not to play. If you don't want to leave, don't act like it. If there is a problem, talk about it but don't assume that telling your partner that your leaving will make them love you or solve the problem. It will likely just freak them out and confirm their suspicion that you didn't really like them in the first place (you are leaving, after all).
Its not that we really don't want to leave when we say that obviously there is something wrong in the relationship and she is still in love with you. I;m not saying we just say I'm gonna leave. No. What I mean is we can have a conversation about an ongoing problem and the girl may say I don't think this is gonna wrk out then or I don't know if I can do this anymore. We mean that but we are hoping the guy will say something like lets try to wrk this out or bqaby what are you saying?. you know? something to
To say that you don't want this to end or be over instaed of just saying ok if that what you want or think that is the best we should do or I agree. We don't want to hear that and a lot of guys nowadays are too lazy to pursue us or care that the relationship may be ending or you may lose your girl. It just makes us feel like you don't care whether we are in your life or not cause your not trying to keep us by saying lets make things better which shows us you really do care about us.
Yes, and this applies also if you're in a relationship. Sometimes they'll go get a restraining order without even telling you to leave them alone......
It could be that we have better things to be doing.
Why is there a chase?
What does this statement say about YOUR ego?
"I feel girls are chasing guys now that guys have lost that want to pursue or chase us when we leave."
Maybe YOUR attitude has something to do with guys not chasing you.
Water under the bridge is water under the bridge. Maybe they guys that you surround yourself with have realized that you just want the chase and you're trying to play mind games with them. Maybe they've decided that the JUICE isn't worth the squeeze.
Not me we are talking about but I'm saying for girls in general. What I notice and other girls notice more now. why are you making this personal? You don't my life. This is a general question that most girls complain about.
You used the word "we" in your question. That includes you. It's a general answer using the word your because you chose to use the word "we" in your question.
Yes but your saying why the guys haven't chased ME. You can't say you know if you don't know my particular situation. I asked this in general as WE because I am a girl. I'm asking you guys why most of you all don't chase girls generally, not asking you why guys haven't chased me. if you notice the majority of the answers on here, are answering generall, not telling me that the guys in my life don't chase becuase of me. That's what you did and you totally miss the point of the question.
You've missed the point of my response. We're talking past each other, I'd prefer not to bother anymore.
Ok. take care
From personal experience.. I stopped really working hard at chasing girls because majority think they're all that. Turn you down because they think of body and looks before personality. There is a lot of things that girls do now that make a guy turnoff. A lot of things to girls now are programmed. Then you have girls who like to cheat or get even more attention then they already have. Before me I used to take a girl out to dinner and movie. If she was special id bring some flowers, The old school stuff. But now things like that don't really work. Its not completely the woman's fault its also the guys. because a lot of them make girls insecure or put them on the offensive. With cheating treating them wrong stuff like that. Why is it though that some girls turn down guys before getting to know the person inside? and Why is it some guys refer to woman as a item a "thing" not a person
Great answer.
Girls aren't the only ones who are shallow and cheat and stuff...guys do that too and probably more often.
They do do it more foten because they know that its looked over more than when we do it. they don't feel bad about doing it.
I understand but still.
Cheereangelcharity, it is actually shown that women think about sex & vanity three times as much as men & inherently cheat much more. This is not even due to culture, considering the fact that the test done on this were taken on internationala levels with people of many different races, religions & socio economical classes.
Yes we may because we love sex just as much but we don't act on it and treat it like its the only thing we want like guys do. its the actions and yes we all can cheat but guys cheat much more but both cheat alot.
From what I see its a chain. Guy cheats on girl, girl ends up cheating or ignoring the next guy. and 50% of the time that guy is gonna treat woman like Shit
Yep. Its never ending
Guys figured out that girls actually don't like sex so they simply stopped trying. Men everywhere have learned that just inside a girls hole their nerve endings can't feel anything. Trust me: it's no coincidence that girls say size doesn't matter. The ultimate size for a girl is zero...(you got to wonder why evolution didn't favor a male appendage above the shaft that vibrated and rubbed on the clit during sex...though I digress) Don't believe me? All you got to do is look around. Girl on girl sex is getting more common...and not coincidentally guys are getting into anal (to the hatred of women everywhere) because instinctively some guys know that soon enough they'll have to turn to other guys when ladies have no sexual need for dudes. Sure evolution will keep the dude around, but since one guy could populate an entire country with a teaspoon of ejaculation, they'll only need a couple of selective sad straight dudes for insemination purposes only.
Lol! What? You sound ignorant as hell. We love sex but we also love LOVE. All that other stuff you said made no sense. Guys aren't gay because they couldn't get women no more. Its either a choice or a defect in birth. A str8t man would never turn gay unless he has gay tendencies. There's a g-spot in mens rectums that women can't satisfy but onbly another man could. That's why some gays are strictly gay and not bi and lesbians like the soft and smooth sex that other women can only give.
Raise a guy where sex is taboo, not talked about, and discouraged, Add in girls who are indifferent about sex and are told to stay virgins until marriage, and you get guys like me. Girls are actively told to say "no" and my quest to find a natrually horny girl exists only in forums like this. I have never personally met a girl who admitted to liking sex on any level. I think you're making this up just to tease and laugh at guys while you aggressively drop kick their balls through their heart.
You are such a judger. Do you know me? No, hon. I'm telling you as a woman that we love sex just as much as men do we just don't solely just want that or think about it like men do because men are different. We just want sex to be special more than most men do. that's all.
So why do you think guys stop chasing? My reason is because I "think" girls find sex is not that important. This is so confsuing to guys like me. We're told over and over girls like sex but all we get is indifference. Not that I want to mount every girl I meet, but just to know girls are "open to the possibility" and that "they actually want it". Attraction to a guy is felt through his little head, not his big one. Girls want to be romanced, but an overtone of rejection gives guys a hard shell.
True because a lot of guys show that they just want sex to get laid and nothing more and we know that. There are a lot of easy gilrs out there once you get us but yes its hard sometimes for guys because we are picky and most guys when they want sex, as long as the girl looks decent enough you'll not turn her down. Its called The power of the p**sy. We are just different like that. Its how you approach us and your actions. But the main thing we want is love to be liked first then sex later.
Its easy for girls to get laid than guys because guys will have sex like that so we know that we can get it whenever we want but we love sex but don't necessarily need it.
Girls want an emotional connection first, then trust and love, and then definitely sex after that. Girls want to catch an amazing guy and be swept off her feet in blissful love forever......I think the real reason guys aren't chasing as much is because he's not ready for that kind of commitment yet. Girls are emotionally ready earlier than most guys so guys take the pressure off and not try too hard. In the pre-internet days guys had to chase a lot harder to get laid, not so much now.
Exactly. That's what I have been saying this whole time. We are just different like that but don't get it twisted and think that we are like this because we don't like sex. Its just not what drives us mostly like guys do. That's all but yes everything you said is exactly the way it is. That's why we are so confussing to each other.
Girls have an emotional rope of commitment they use to catch a mate that can only be pulled from her side. She lets the line free and he falls on his back should he try to pull. A guy will never be able to push on the rope. Her physical body is restrained from pulling until she feels an inner attraction and trust. When she ropes him he cannot get free so mother nature taught guys to seek physical closeness as their only gauge of emotional commitment before being tied down.
Yep. you are right.
Guys stop chasing after the rope they pull is dropped one too many times. A guy's heart is a fragile tinderbox: easily engulfed in flames of passion but easily shattered by rejection. Romantic love comes before sexual love to a boy, and this is the time - way before sex is even an option -- when most guys get their hearts broken. Guys generally don't rerpeat this trauma more than once and hormones kick in to build his sexual love up stronger, while the more fragile romantic love is held back.
But don't blame it on us. heartbroken is just an excuse to just seek sex too. Without being heartbroken, young boys who have no experience in life and never been in love, still just want sex and not too interested in being in love yet. So its not all about being heartbroken so now you want to guard your heart. Being heartbroken can give you more of a reason to want to guard your heart from love. it makes it easier because you don't want to go thru that pain no more but a lot of young guys hormones ar
Crazy therefore think about sex more than girl cause that's the way boys are and suppose to be in order to keep the babymaking process going. men are the predators and women are the prey. That's why we love to be chased. its natural. problem is is how some and may I say, most guys go about the sex. to use a women for sex only and not allowing or wanting anything more than that is wrong and a lot of young guys are taught to be that way then if heartbroken really use that into affect. Not all men.
It's not anyones fault, really. Guys are reacting in the most rational way they know how with the influences that guide them. Girls too. Hormones play a huge part of a guys's sexual needs and it's more profound with guys because of the predator prey relationship. We are embedded with instincts to seed as many vaginas as possible with the least amount of emotional connection until a certain age (if at all). The internet allows the least amount of chase to seed the highest number of vaginas.
Vaginas, huh? That's what I'm talking about. You guys think so differently than us. its like we are yalls sex toys so you call us names like this. So disrespectful and low but you know what, I can't get mad at that. Just the way most guys think of women until they fall in love with one, then they see that we have more to offer than what's so good to yall between our legs.
As I girl, I can attest that I LOVE sex. and I love guys. they're absolutely the sexiest things in the world :]
Guys? Need sex to be happy. Girls? Need to be happy to have sex.
It has nothing to do with guys liking sex, and girls not. We both love it equally; we just don't want it the same you men do. Make a girl happy, and you can get as many sex partners as you want - She wants to be loved, not used as a toy.
Probably why you haven't met a girl that likes sex.. You treat them too much like a toy instead of a gentle human being that has feelings for love. (Talking to the answerer by the way lol)
Girls LOVE sex, huh. Nice to hear in a forum. Now I can go around pretending that's what women are thinking because they sure don't make it obvious in the real world....
What did she just say, denyfortunes? That we want to be loved first and not just out there to have sex like guys can and have no problem doing. So your not gonna see girls in the real world acting and talking like they want sex like guys do becuase we don't want just that. get it?
Girls in general can love without wanting sex. Guys in general can have sex without wanting love. To the guy, sex is usually before the love. To the girl love is usually before the sex. That's why guys persue love in the name of sex and girls persue sex in the name of love. Actually the real reason that guys are persuing girls less these days (I think I said this before) is because guys have way more options with the internet. We can go online and flirt without fear of rejection. It's easier.
You are right. That's what we are talking about. It has nothing to do with liking sex or not. Its just what we want more than the other. Sex is great.
Sex is great, you just want more (of an emotional connection). Sex is also a weapon girls use that makes guys think it a commodidty to her and not a need. Guys guard emotions like girls guard their bodies. Our inner emotions are what girls "really" want. That's why we don't chase girls so much anymore. We hold the emotional card while you hold the sex card. If we can get the sex without the emotional manipulation, then we take the path of least resistance and highest pleasure.
Which then leaves us feeling hurt and used if yall can just be about sex. Men need sex, women need love and affection. Why? because that's what we seem to go after more. Now its true what you said about the holding sex and guys holding emotion. I never thought of it like that. Problem is when we hold sex from our guy, he can go somewhere else and pay for it. when a guy holds his emotions from his girl, you think she can go get that somewhere? No. But its easier with sex to do tha
We hurt more for love and feeling more than a sex toy to guys than guys who find it hard to get laid easily so yet they know they have a way of getting it by either payin for it or go pick up a girl from a club. When we fail getting to a guys heart, we don't like starting over again cause we get attatch. We hurt more from what yall hold from his becuase we know most guys aren't into that love stuff. We can't just move on like that when we are emotionally involved like you guys can with sex. Sex is
But its hard as heck to get to a guys heart or girls heart. You can't buy love or for someone to show emotions but you can buy sex. So if its hard for you guys and you need it and too many girls with hold that from you, you could buy it, you could go to a strip club. But us girls know that we can't make you feel for us like we want. It has to happen so when a guy just wants us for our bodies knowing that most guys leave us after that, we try to resist.
I"ve never "bought" sex before, so I'm not sure about that. Strip clubs are places guys go to -not- get laid...so that doesn't make sense. Girls don't like sex or they'd do it a lot more. Guys don't like emotions or they'd cry a lot more.
I said guys can buy it if they want. There is a way and you don't think that half those guys at the strip club are having sex with some of those strippers? and they do have back rooms where they can do that and then there are some that just go to look but wouldn't try to screw those type of girls. And I just explained to you that we do love sex but can't really be out there like guys can becasuse of how we are judged for it and we want some emotional connection unlike guys who can just do it withou
I gurantee you guys at strip clubs never hook-up with the working girls. That would be prostitution and they'd be shut down super fast - trust me. Girls may like sex, but they like many other things way more and guys place a much higher priority on sex whereas girls could take-it-or-leave-it. Admit it. Being mounted is a violation of your body and you feel used by his selfish desires and disgusting lust. I feel sorry for girls this way.
Some of them do secretly. of course they wouldn't make it obvious at the strip club but they can exchange numbers. And your right about us liking sex cause you said days ago that we didn't now your saying we do. Which one, hon? Because we want more and guys usually dont, it does make us feel used and just as you described . Why? because most guys treat woman like toys and don't want nothing more than that and we get called names for it so it makes us feel bad when we are some guys sex slave.
"Being mounted is a violation of your body and you feel used by his selfish desires and disgusting lust. I feel sorry for girls this way"
Denyfortunes, that is exactly my point here. You said it the perfect way it makes us feel when guys are always coming to us wanting to have sex and that be there focus when we want to be viewed as more than that. I'm talking about being single k? We want relationships with meaningful sex, going out and spending time together while still having lots of sex.
Why don't guys chase girls? Because when I go out I check out my competition and feel worthless. The girls are all so pretty and the guys all so hot. I'm not handsome or dress perfectly. I'm not as funny or have the "game". Girls want "bad" guys, not nice guys. I can't speak for any other guy, but when I go out I've lost before I've tried. I tell you that being successful, smart, and having a healthy body gets a guy nowhere. The guys who ARE good looking and all that don't HAVE to chase.
When you are too nice, your not exciting. We don't like how bad boys treat us but they are exciting and have a charisma about them. We wish bad boys were smart and successful with the exciting qualities we look and usuaully they look very good.
So your advice to a nice guy is to be more more like a bad boy? Quote: "We wish bad boys were smart and successful with the exciting qualities we look and usuaully they look very good". (Not sure what you meant by the rambing at the end end there...) That's great. I will change my "good boy" demeanor for a "bad boy" one. Then I'll chaise tail and treat women like crap. But at least you'll be chased! Is that what you want?
Lol! No. I didn't say that I want good boys to treat us bad like bad guys but to be more exciting like that and have charisma. That's what attracts us to bad guys although we hate how they treat us at the end, we love the confidence and smoothness about them, they are not boring and for some reason know how to please well in the bed/ Most of them. bad boys have that tough image, strenght about them. Some good guys can have this but they don't show it much or just too nice and that is not exciting.
Hahaha, naw man, women love sex - you just need to know how to push the right buttons and stop hitting the wrong ones.
I blame girls too. Not me though. I'm 23 and still a virgin. I'm not the virgin mary or anything. I'm a sexual person and I love foreplay but when it comes to giving it up I think a lot of girls give up the sex part too easily. They forgot they need to make a man work for it. I haven't found one worth it so I'm still a virgin. Guys need to be put out of their mindset. Most are lazy and just want what they want. I had a girl give me a good analogy.
If a guy had a choice of picking up a not so good apple off the ground or climbing the tree to get to the beautiful ripe one, they are gunna do what is easier and just get the one off the ground. Come on girls make em earn it!
I do know a few good ones that know how to court a lady appropriately.
At least a few women are willing to understand that it's not all men's fault. Thanks for being reasonable and realistic.
I mean its true. A lot of girls out there need to not be such sluts and be someone worth chasing, and a lot of guys need to get off their lazy ass and treat a lady like a lady and work for what they want.
Yes girl because I know some men who don't even have to know a woman or the woman does not even have to be dressing a certain way or acting a certain way and they are still lazy and wouldn't chase or treat with respect.
I as a man don't like wasting my time
I'm honestly chasing someone for the first time in years, and I do admit, I feel a little weird about it. It's so new to me all over again.
But I can answer why men don't chase girls as much. Obviously, men are no longer becoming enticed by the idea of chasing a women. Playing mind games and working their way towards a relationship is now a daunting thought. It's costly, tiring, and sometimes a financial disaster if it doesn't work out. More and more, guys are more interested in finding a girl that leads to easier sex. Less work, less time, and more fun.
However, sometimes, it is indeed worth it. But it's incredibly rare in my opinion.
Men have become lazy, in other words. Well, no wonder why we have problems.
Lazyness is not investing effort in something that you want. Lazyness is not when you don't fullfill someone's else's fantasies (just because). If I want a job, and don't go hunting for one, that's me being lazy. However, if I am expected to get a job where you work 16 hour days for NO pay, and I don't invest effort to get this (terrible job), that's not me being lazy, that's me being smart.
Chasing a woman nowadays is paramount to begging someone to sell you their yugo at the price of a ferari
Well, it's not that we don't chase girls anymore. We do. Only, we tend to not chase the popular girls.. Guys learn that the incredibly popular girls let it go to their heads, and they end up taking advantage and taking the p*ss afterwards. Whether they mean to or not, is another story.
I, myself, have never liked very many people that I've met in person that way. Maybe I'm different from everyone else, but then again, maybe I'm on the popular side. The only ones I've asked out myself have said no, and, I've only ever met one girl I've actually liked AND gone out with (Still am going out with her).
Hope that helps!
Honestly I don't bother chasing girls. When girls play hard to get or if they want me to 'chase' them, I don't respond. I will basically just ignore them because I'm assuming they are not interested and hate me. Girls don't throw themselves at me at all - they all seem like they already have a man or expect us to do everything. And that's something I have major problems doing because of my low confidence and anxiety around women.
I agree
Me too,those girls who think making it hard to get is gonna work,thts bullsh*t
i'd prefer someone who shows tht she is interested
Agree
I don't bother chasing girls because I'm annoyed with the same games your talking about, but you do have a good answer.
I chased women when I was younger, now it just seems childish. Women need to know what they want and be able to discern what kind of man I am from the first few dates or conversations we have. I'm not saying you waste our time, it is just that you think things out way too much.
I totally agree. Same here, In my early twenties I bought into that chase a girl, show her you love her. blah blah until I realized, why go through all the trouble. If she likes me and I like her, then I will do the chasing, i.e. I chase to get the relationship further/deeper and not chase for a few dates.
i chased a girl once and in the end I realized I had been played and she was only interested in my money and not me. from that point on, after a couple of dates, I tell them if I am interested in them and if she want to persue a possible relationship then great, if she doesn't then I let her know that I have enjoyed our time together but am going to move on. for ages women have had a hold over men and knew it. they have something men want. but with the changing times I believe that men are starting to realize that they do not have to be subject to that hold any longer. (this isn't th case with all women and men).
me too. I'm 24 and ever sence high school I hated playing hard to get because I alwase assume if she says no or "ignores" me I think she's uninterested. that and hard to get is such a turnoff because it is almost like she don't know what she want's or is just toying/useing me. I'm glad other guys are finaly doing the same thing I am and stop chaseing girls that think there more important than anyone else.
that's just my point of view but I'm sure there are more than a few guys who would think the same thing but never say it.
Bravo, sir.
When women play hard to get, they're actually committing emotional abuse. But they think it's only abusive when a guy plays headgames.
That's true. and rarely do guys get to be chased by girls. mainly because we would not play games with them.
the fact that there may and may not be a challenge isn't a factor . . . see men are growing to think that today's women aren't worth a challenge. they're not worth working for. they come with problems, baggage, drama. women today just aren't worth chasing. they're not worth a challenge. if they try to make it hard or put up any resistance at all, we move on. no time or patience for games.
That;s a terrible thing, not all girls are like that.
Yep. that is exactly why so ask yourself why most of us have those issues? because of being hurt by a man or having kids and the man not be there to help support. So we're mad and that goes down the bloodstream. Plus, we are emotional which intensifies that ten times more. A lot of men are ending up in jail or players who don't want to committ. As for sex, men think about sex way more than women therefore in time as the world changed, it was man;s idea to exploit woman, giviing attention to woman
Who show a little more skin and we have allowed it. why? because for too long we felt like the only way wee can get male attention quicker is by exposing ourselves and we like the attention. All boils down to low self esteem, to feel wanted and sex is everywhere. So combine all that together and see why we bring drama cause of all the other no good guys who did us wrong, leaving us with kids. Not all guys, k? But there are so many players, and dead beat dad's out there, and cheaters that a lot of us
Women are used to that makes us crazy or desperate. vice verse. its hand in hand. We both are responsible for why men don't chase as much as they use to and why women do chase now when we are in a relationship. Its our past pain we hold on to and some get over it and some dont
I really don't think its that there are that many men out there who are that bad as it is those are the types of men women are attracted to. why? because it goes back to caveman days when women needed men who were the "alpha male". men who were dominant, strong, and asserted themselves as leaders and fighters. here's the problem: in todays day and age, those qualities are synonymous with violent men who mistreat women. but its still what women are attracted to.
Do you have any idea what its like watching a woman you have strong feelings for go from abusive, cheating, womanizer man to another one just like him time and time again when she keeps passing you up? its pretty discouraging. and too many women follow that pattern. you say men are the problem, that we turn you into damaged women, when the problem isn't men, just the men you're attracted to.
Everything you said is right except one. I never said men were the problem. I said part of the problem and the reason why some women keep going back to no good guys is because that's what they are used to and what is mostly running around. Its like trying to find a needle in a haystack. Good men are hard to find and when we do find them, we don't feel we deserve them because we been mistreated so much and used to disappointment that it seems too good to be true and we don't know how to adjust to
Something different. You think we like to dating jerks all the time? no. Its just a habit and it takes time to get rid of a bad habit cause it is a comfort zone. We want a good man but when we get one(If lucky), we don't know how to act or be and they seem to be too nice or a little square for some reason. So, hon, we are not stupid for how it looks. We know we shouldnt, we know what to do. Its just we don't know how. We are scared of finally getting something good because we may lose it.
And don't feel that it is real. Bad boys seems more exciting but just with bad qualities So we are in denial each time overlooking it becasue we do not like starting over. Once we are with a man, we try to keep him as long as we can. Most of us can't just move on or end it with a no good guy because of our feelings. We think with our feelings more than our common sense. We ignore the truth because the truth hurts. too many of us are like this which must stop.
What?! It all boils down to self esteem. Any woman with self esteem won't feel a need to dress or act skanky, nor will they think they deserve to be mistreated.
Thats what I said hon. that's women with low self esteem do this and there are a lot of women like that. y? I don't know y but a lot of seem to make the same stupid mistakes with men.
AMEN
Exactly and a lot of women have low self esteem. why? I don't know why. That's the problem and why a lot of women keep dating the same guys all the time. Good men are so hard to find
No, iit'd not because you're making it easy; in fact, usually you make it pretty difficult!
It's just that most women are SUCH game players and SO dishonest and SO willing to jump into bed with the guy with the most money that a lot of guys have lost interest.
Frankly, I'm glad I'm married. The singles scene, especially after you're 18, doesn't seem like much fun according to my single friends. Not at all.
Why do you think so many guys are gay? Don't think it's genetic; in 99% of the cases it's environmentally caused!
Its the jumpin into bed thing, we may not be easy to approachbut once we are, most of us give up the goods too quickly or we are chasing the guys we want, not much of a challenge anymore and a lot of guys have gotten lazy because of this. That's what I meant when we make it too easy
No, being gay has nothing to do with woman. we are way to beautiful 4 that to be true. You can be born gay. I saw the study and what can happen also you can choose to be gay because of experimenting and a person may just like it better with the same sex but most of the time, its a birth abnormalty where the male or female may get more of the opposite sex chromosomes than usually which then makes them feel attracted to the same sex
Girls cheat more then males now. you can google the results if you don't think so. We no longer want to stress about females while we know there's plenty of other fish in the sea. Females now need to prove their more then a lovely figure. Give us something we want to hold on to, that no other girl has to offer.
there's a lot of things at work. we're coming off of the feminist generation- meaning that our dads (for the ones who's parents aren't divorced) didn't really teach us much about the opposite sex, we just have to figure it out on our own.
other things like women are becoming more independent, and while there's nothing wrong with that, it has consequences. us guys feel like we are more disposable than before, like you could live without us so its more risky to try.
another thing about my first point, the whole "cocky-funny" thing is real big in our generation now. the girls want the guys who *act* like jerks that don't care, and that skill is real hard to figure out. plus the girls are picking up on it too, they are acting more bitchy and hard to get which definitely makes it harder/not worth the effort.
After reading all the responses here, I honestly think I know now. It's just that men have become accustomed to seeing women make a move, so more of them sit back, and wait for women to make a move on them, because it's "clearer" to them -they don't have to chase this way. Back in the old days, women never made a move cos it was a social or etiquette taboo, so men HAD to make a move, or were expected to - that was the dating 'system'. But nowadays its like total confusion cos noone knows what the etiquette is anymore in modern courtship, it's anything goes, it just depends on the person.
Guys are getting lazy I think?
And I think 'chasing girls' was kinda a more old-fashioned thing, when guys used to pursue women and buy them flowers and charm them, and kinda like almost stalking or bombarding them. I think guys are more laid back now, and they just want to meet people by chance, like through friends or activities etc. But I'm also generalising, if you want someone to chase you I'm sure someone would! I personally like the more relaxed approach from guys, but I also like it when they try to do something for you, I appreciate the effort.
I definitely agree with the lazy thing...esp considering the options that men have...but tell me one thing...what would you say about girls expectation levels...esp considering the "swept away by a prince" dream/ expectation that every girl has ?
Not every girl has that expectation, most do but not in the prince sense necessarily. You don't have to be a prince to sweep a girl away. You just need to know her well enough to know how to do exactly that. I do agree that some and maybe even most girls have far too many and too high expectatons and that is what makes them so unhappy.
To krrishtiano: I think I still have that dream yeah :). I still wanna be swept away by a prince-like guy, but most guys end up being frogs that never turn into princes :(. Girls get tired of kissing toads, so in reality, I think most people are just happy to be with anyone who's not a jerk. Well, I think all women really want is to be treated with love, care, & respect, and be the one you love more than yourself- I think that's love.
I agree with both you girls...partially though. I may have exaggerated the "swept away" part, but I still don't agree with the perception among girls that guys are not chasing girls anymore (cmon life would be so so boring without girls). The expression on a girls face (without generalizing) when I do something good to make her happy is priceless for me, especially if I happen to care about the girl...peace
im with you on that, but would like to add more/ there's to much freedom for yall girls know in days, that the value on girls has drop; yall girls don't let us guys be gentlemen that's 1. and 2 yall girls don't respect yall selfs like the way yall use to/ now guys are changing base on that, it make us think "shes not worth it, I'm gunna continue with someone that is" girls look at that freedom an take it/ most of the girls get things free but a guy needs to work hard to give you that pleasure; there's money problems everywhere now in days especially with gas, so guys close up alittle on that, which give girls the freedom to go after more and never be satisfied, because the world keeps on bringing better stuff, and more expensive...think about what I'm saying and you would know there's more to add...get back to me and I would tell you more; I give things a lot of thought by the way lol
I hear what you are saying too, but a Few things: "...don't let us guys be gentlemen..." Entirely wrong because a lot of guys out there don't want to be gentleman and just looking for a good time. We want and need a gentlemen because we live by our feelings and the reason why we don't date gentleman is because there are not many around and we are used to being disappointed by guys so a lot of us don't feel like we deserve it but we really do want a gentleman and a lot of guys never show us that. Also, your right.
Alot of us don't respect ourselves, but lets not forget that it was Man's idea that women exploit themselves on TV & Music and we took the bait because of money. So both are to blame for the respect that they don't give us and the lack of respect that we have for ourselves. We want love and all that its built in us to want that more than anything else but because of the exploitation, A lot of guys reject that and won't respond to us unless we are half-dressed. So in order for us to feel someway wanted, we...
feel we should dress less for the attention which is from low self esteem. Not all guys like not all women but majority are this way. Plus, young men want sex more than love and women want love more than sex but sleep around because it makes them feel in some way wanted since most guys seem only interested in that and we don't want to be alone. So I understand how man can c how we aren't mostly worth it since a lot of us are easy but the bad guys seem to only respond to women like that and most are around
and until they get older, they change and start to respond to good women but in todays time, there is so many of the same. So the fact that are are not worth much to guys when young is bot of our faults. As long as we keep supporting TV and music videos which brainwashes us to feel and be a certain way,. this will never change but it is sad that Men don't treat most of us with repsect when it all started from there idea and we started the creation of it such as p*rn, music vids, dress-less, etc.
Plus there is the double standard that women can't do what men do sexually and if we do "We are not worth it." Its unfair and controlling because really both aren't respectin there bodies and can get something. So for guys to feel the way they feel about us, they are just lookin in the mirror and its hyprocritical and unfortunate that we allow that to make us feel bad due to Society supporting that double standard. Overall, Men have lost the desire to respect us and care.
I don't see that as a double standard. Women can do what men do sexually, it is not the same though. Women are the gatekeepers in dating and relationships. If a woman wants to be sexually active, it's much easier for her to do so. Men have more work to put forth to find an agreeable woman. Also, not all men pursue sex only and are promiscuous and would appreciate a like minded woman. It seems women have lowered their standards to NSA sex because they think all men are like that. The only men that can be like that are the top 5-10% that have options.
I think there are a few reasons.
1. The girl isn't worth the chase
2. She takes it too far and is playing headgames
3. She gives in too easily to even be chased
4. The guy has been hurt before and assumes all women are bad
5. They are afraid to be rejected because lets face it rejection hurts
6. Today anything constitutes as "sexual harassment"
7. Guys like to be chased and feel wanted too
8. The guy sees no end to it, meaning he will never get her
Good reasons
Point # 6 ! Bingo ! If a girl wants to avenge by nailing the guy she hates, she can do it easily. The law is on your side after all. If a woman points to a stranger and says that he is the one who touched me, the cops are going to take him into custody without investigation, which will happen only in police station or worse, in jail. +1
But if we guys tell someone that woman is sexually harassing us, either our plea falls on deaf ears or we are suspected of our sexuality.
Let us face it. This is the ugly truth. +1
I agree that guys of our generation no longer court or chase us anymore. Seems like as soon as you give a guy your number he thinks automatically "okay sex time" when in reality (at least with me) its not like that. I wouldn't say "us" as a whole is at fault because that would be a false statement. But I will say that some women and society it self has made it much easier on guys. Now they expect instant gratification. haven't you guys heard "good things come to those who wait" or what about "some things are worth working hard for"
Oh they appreciate a good woman when they are through playing around. While playing, there used to not having to wait because like you said, a lot of girls make it easier for guys than before.