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Quite the retard aren’t you
In today's world Mathematic and physics and chemistry, rule the world. All cell phones computers and yes even electricity comes from these subjects, why are the chinees doing so well, while those without those subjects will be janitors and check out cashiers. With my engineering background, I controlled factories worth billions. Sad for those others out there.
Mathematics rule the world? Hardly. If you’d bother to get out of your self conceded bubble you’d understand how the world goes round.
@Alkey you are a snot-nosed child, go ahead and deliver pizzas for the rest of your life, or as a janitor. Okay by me, when I arrived in my smart car and good clothes even the beautiful young girls hit on me. Sad for you live in your own bubble, or MAKE Alkey great. YOUR CHOICE. :) :) :)
I ain’t about to argue on a post to annoy the original responder, but you seem like you need to work out some life issues before you blend back into society.
anything with political ties will be bullshit if from gov't run education
Either teach the rest of the missing parts too or don't teach it at all.
agreed, but you must abandon state run schooling if you want that, every country tells history it's own way you know
Exercise is necessary. Some kids if they are not forced to exercise in school never do outside school and that is just unhealthy
@Purple_Summer I disagree. Forcing me to do that awful fitness testing in front of my peers made me never want to enter a gym again. I went to a school where we regularly took science expeditions to the reservoir, were encouraged to play team sports and walked to and from the subway every day; we got plenty of exercise and did not need it forced upon us. Especially not to the point where we felt humiliated when the teacher compared our scores to everyone else’s.
maybe the methods they used and the comparing to others was not beneficial, but that does not mean they should not have any gym classes at all.
So you never have to double or halve a recipe, or be sure that something is "square" and plumb?
@Massageman I’m talking about taking Math past grade 9. Algebra, geometry and trigonometry did nothing for my life except stress me out, bring my average down, and make my hair fall out.
@Purple_Summer We naturally learn health and fitness techniques and habits as we get older. There’s no need to shove it down students’ throats in school. Those valuable school hours should have been filled with financial literary classes or Indigenous history classes or, at the very least, study periods for those of us who needed extra time to study for tests and finish assignments.
We dont learn anything naturally lol. Obesity and many other health conditions are a result of lack of movement because humans naturally are just lazy
Agreed! Math is very useful and needed.
@Rica_ChicaUSA exercise keeps the brain sharp.
Loque diga la Rica 🤷♂️🤣
@White-American89 true but you can exercise by yourself. Most kids won't do maths on their own.
@AskandRecieve I only agreed with the part about math not being relevant. I get my cardio every day. 👍🏻
@EleanorRigby I don't know you, but I like you! Lol... you’re a smart chick! People usually say PE is needed in school because they are too lazy to exercise on their own time. Tell it, girl!
Most kids won't exercise on their own either. More exercise means kids are sharper mentally and learn math better and faster.
@White-American89 okay but the question is about *most* useless, so lets just agree that P. E. is a bit less useless okay. 😛
@White-American89 Exactly. That’s why they need to get up off their asses and do it outside of school 😂
@Rica_ChicaUSA hahahahahahaha. 👍
@Rica_ChicaUSA well if they won't do math outside of school they certainly won't exercise hence the child obesity crisis that threatens to crush America under it's giant girth.
@White-American89 true but do you really think kids jumping around for 2h a week is going to deal with child obesity, kids get obese due to bad food, not lack of exercise. Most kids will at least do some form of exercise, like driving a bike, especially boys. At least we did that when I was a kid.
I was just agreeing with la Rica porque eres bella lol not because I agree that p. e is useless lol. Exercise can release endorphins in your body which can help with depression and all so... yes to exercise lol.
@AskandRecieve Gracias 😊 I do agree that it is needed; I just think math is more useful in school, like Eleanor said. And I’m aware of how it helps the brain both physically and mentally because I’m studying neurophysiology. But thanks for the debate guys lol
You do realize what philosophy is, though? That it is intimately related to math, such that in some cases the only difference between the two is that one uses numbers, characters ans symbols, while the other uses words. Without philosophy, we perhaps don't invent linguistics, and without linguistics, perhaps we never invent computer science, and without that, we don't have smartphones. And then there's Ethics which very clearly branches from philosophy. Philosophy is useful and enriching, there just isn't much of an overt market value for it
@Lightning8 fair enough, many famous mathematicians were philosophers first, but that really doesn't make philosophy more important or even equally important to maths. And even if philosophy is what laid down the foundation for maths, in today's world it really isn't what counts. Most mathematicians will understand philosophy, many philosophers still won't understand maths.Anything can be useful and enrichening, but in terms of what is least useful? Philosophy on its own definitely is.
What makes you think that a crossover from math to philosophy would be easy or automatic? A masters or phd in math makes you more money, but that doesn't mean you understand what you're doing here as a human being. I wouldn't argue philosophy as more important than math, but I certainly wouldn't say it's the overall least important subject. But if you are talking strictly about what makes money as a skill at face value, there is a strong argument that philosophy is least useful.
@Lightning8 not just money, overall progress, mostly in technological sense. No one will ever know what we're doing here as human beings, we are too irrelevant to know what are we in the bigger picture of things.As for crossover, I know a lot of mathematicians/physicists. I also know people majoring in philosophy now, who could barely put 2 and 2 together in high school. Sure, that is just a personal experience, but I do think maths is mire abstract, and that difference between words and numbers is exactly where people fail, because people think in words and not numbers. Have you ever noticed how many kids have issues translating a simply worded problem into a numeric equation? To be quite honest, I don't think any subject is useless at all, everyhing has its beauty and value even if I don't see it or understand it myself, if anything more knowledge can only make us more interesting people. But if we were for example looking to unburden kids' schedule a bit, lose a subject or two. Philosophy and PE would in my opinion be the first to go, followed by religion (I would put religion first, but not sure if all schools even have it).
@Lightning8 maybe she's talking about philosophy as its own discipline. I actually believe they should teach more philosophy within math, physics and perhaps other science. In the old world, philosophy covered all the important thoughts of mankind because of a simple reason, other disciplines didn't exist as standalone fields. In recent centuries, all the relevant philosophy has been crystallized into their own branches called mathematics, physics etc... What left of philosophy is much less than what it used to be (from the eras of Pythagoras, Aristotle, Descartes, Newton, Leibniz etc.). From what I've seen, the students who don't understand the philosophy of what they are doing are those who struggle the most when they deal with more conceptual stuffs. Take classical physics for example, to a philosophically trained mind, the difference between actual and virtual displacement appears entirely obvious and needs no further comment. But a student of today is anything but philosophically minded. To them the difference is not only not obvious, but they cannot grasp the meaning of a “virtual displacement” without experimenting with the concept for a long time by applying it to a variety of familiar situations. So there are some gifted students who are outstanding at pattern recognition and solving exam/contest problems, but suck at research (I'm talking about academic research like REU programs vs Olympiad contests)
lol I think I can hit the word limit on why I believe the difficulty of most students when they learn stuffs like tensors, manifolds, tangent space, basic topology, pretty much any analysis that requires construction of the real numbers etc. ALL start with not understanding the philosophy of... naive set theory. But I will spare you guys my rambling 😂
@IlyaTheImpaler yes, as its own discipline I mean. 👍
A certain level of math gets you through life. The basic and intermediate should be good enough. Unless you're majoring in engineering or gonna be a math professor, you don't need to know how to graph the slope of parabolas and hyperbolas nor tangent lines to do your everyday functions of knowing what time is it, knowing the correct change when buying something or doing simply addition and subtraction when calculating your expenses.
@Vesuvius87 that is true but maths is one kf those stuff you just have to build up your knowledge bit by bit and it's useful for engineers who are, I think we can all agree, quite useful to all of us. And if you aren't gonna be an engineer, no one is asking you to get straight As. Schools are standardized. Standardized stuff is cheaper. It's impossible to make schools perfectly suitable for everyone, so the standards are better kept high than low. I wouldn't be against children not teaching more advanced stuff if they are 100% sre they won't need it in life, but many aren't sure that early.
Although I do agree, some parents will not teach their children about sex so kids must rely on the public education system. It sucks but it’s true for many people
If every parents were good and the world was ideal, sure. But the world isn't ideal and some parents are too embarassed to explain their children. Unless you wants the abortion and unwanted pregnancy rate to rise, I think you should support sex ed.
Teaching languages like French and Spanish in school gives kids some culture as well as a chance to become bilingual, which can really help them later in life when applying for jobs and interacting with others who may speak that language.
My useless degree in Communications and Graphic Design has- in addition to my Masters'- supported my family for over 40 years. The problem lately is that with so many of these applications and programs, so many people think they are instant graphic designers. They're not. It's apparnet when someone talks about a "font" rather than a "typeface".
@Massageman well said, our kids of today are really too lazy to work, they want instant gratification and immediately.