Are colleges fraudulently recruiting teens?

[Gwendoline]

[abc3643]

Let me broaden your question:

Are (any organization wanting or needing money) fraudulently (soliciting that organization's target audience to give them money)?

The answer is:
Often, but not always, yes.

That's the danger of any for-profit organization or system or any system in which money is needed to survive. Survival means doing what you have to do to survive. Sometimes, that's unethical or "bends the truth" a bit. But, what's bad is when doing the unethical is not necessary to survive but is only out of greed. Trump is that last case.

[abc3643]

As for college, that's not what they are doing. They are not acting fraudulently. What is happening - what HAS been happening for about 40-44 years now - is that college tuition has risen at a rate faster than inflation. One reason for this is because faculty will seek whatever job maximizes their income. For instance, a woman with an engineering PhD can choose to become an untenured professor in some college or, instead, make more money and perceive that they will have more control of their destiny in industry. That woman is likely to opt for industry. How does a college compete with that? Pay the professor more or give better benefits or automatic tenure... But, what that does is drive-up the costs for the college which they have to pass on to students with tuition raises.

Unfortunately, the world is changing and we have a fundamental issue regarding productivity and who is taking home the money. In short, the rich are getting richer while everyone else is getting fucked. It's been that way steadily since 1981 when two things happened: 1) Ronald Reagan became President; it was like the world changed overnight, and 2) the debut of the IBM Personal Computer (aka "the PC"). When the Internet was made public and HTML debuted in the first half of the 1990s, that was the next big thing that changed how we work.

So, don't blame the colleges. Blame a perception about society which doesn't completely hold true as much as it did 45 years ago.

[exitseven]

I worked for the IT department at a local private college. I was very friendly with one of the professors. He ran the semester abroad program. One day I was hanging out in his office and I was listening to him telling a kid what a great experience it was and how it will help him later on in life.

Afterwards I told him how full of shit he was, A semester abroad is really just a 4 month vacation that the student has to pay for..

[exitseven]

Thanks for the MHO

[Anonymous]

It didn't used to be that way, you had to earn your way into a college, they were a place to learn and loans were a way to help with that. Now, to the colleges, their job is to make money regardless of the merit of the student, and loans you can never escape are the only way they can make that possible.

They also have the job of indoctrinating students to the left, but that's being taken apart now.

[Flower7]

The problem starts before college. Throughout K-12 school, students are made to believe that attending college is necessary and the only way to have a good life after high school. Society as a whole is brainwashing people this way, starting in very young childhood.

[AI Opinion]

Colleges are generally not engaged in fraudulent recruitment practices. However, aggressive marketing tactics may sometimes be misleading. It's crucial for prospective students and their families to research and verify the information provided by colleges. Seeking opinions from current students, visiting campuses, and reviewing independent college ranking sources can offer a more accurate picture. Ultimately, being well-informed and asking the right questions can help in making a sound educational choice.

[hahahmm]

When it comes to many degrees that are worth far less than the tuition, it gets into a grey area or worse depending on the degree. Although the school could argue that they never promised that you can earn an income with the degree.

Loans that can't be paid off by the student within 3-4 years of an average non-degree income need to be banned UNLESS the average income of graduates with that degree make much more money (like lawyers and doctors) but that should only matter in graduate school. if this ban happened schools would have to lower tuition.

[Phoenix98]

Any sensible person knows college is a scam they're overpriced, put you in debt and half the time you don't even get a job in the field you went to school for or you'll get a useless degree with no future. Or you'll be indoctrinated it's actually pretty scary what some of these teachers in colleges are teaching/telling their students.

Your better off going to a trade school no politics or at least less then there would be at a college and it's quicker, cheaper and really has practical trade degree's with better opportunities to get jobs or at least get your foot in the door.

[Levin]

In the UK you come out with 50k of debt. For what? To work at Tesco or to get a fair to middling salary. Getting a house still next to impossible.

Maybe it's okay for a specific lucrative career.

Outside of that, I would give it some serious consideration.

[KostasKouvalis]

Having experienced American colleges and universities, I would not be surprised in the least bit.

Especially since we even have a "college connection" program which basically gives high schoolers the opportunity to get a taste of the college experience

[Anonymous]

it's definitely more fraudulent than trade schools or military academy

at least you learn some valuable skills that aren't taught in college

college used to be for smart people, now due to affirmative action, even dumb people can enter college

[emeraldsaphire]

I don't think so, the federal student loans on the other hand

[Gwendoline]

Yeah but if you are admitting kids knowing they aren't academically fit enough to graduate or what they are majoring is useless to them to get a good paying job that will help them pay off their loans

[emeraldsaphire]

I'm not sure if it's fair to say the school knows if the kids can pass or not. There maybe some truth to that with Affirmative action programs, where the standards are lowered, but those kids can still raise to the expectations and pass.

As far as useless majors go. I knew someone who majored in philosophy, he was a nepo baby and was only going to school because he had too. I also had a friend who Majored in art, and now does very well for them selves as a head book keeper for a grocery store chain. On the other hand I knew a guy who got a degree in accounting. He got laid off and was unemployed for almost 2 years. He was homeless for while so I let him live with me. Thankfully he's doing ok, but my point is I don't think your degree program is deterministic of your financial future.

[Professor-college]

Haha.. that made me laugh... It's tough paying for college... I had to work as a waiter and stripper to get money for that... Universities sometimes try to convince young students by avoiding certain details to make it seem easier

[Gwendoline]

Talking to a lot of people that went to a college. An awful lot of them are still making minimum wage. A neighbour of mine works as a batista and waitress and has a degree, it kinda bugs her because her husband is a plumber and does very well.

[Professor-college]

Well it depends on many factors... First when choosing a career you need to make sure the jobs offered for that major are available where you live and well paid... Many do not check that before enrollment.

[ChicoFromThe305]

Yea it's a scam cause as soon as they get out of there they have to work to pay that off and on top of that still balance their spending on their living as well

[Joshydavid25]

Yeah, college has become a bug ol money making scam as many things in life turn out.. Naturally they'll wanna keep bringing in people since at this point it's kind of a fraudulent business.

[sawno]

I'd say so since you have to pay extreme intuition and you don't get ahead in society in the end while learning little of value.

[Sevenpointfive]

that's exactly what my parents told me. word for word

[seeyounexttuesday]

Not a single college presents the cost of college as the meme describes. Fraud requires deception. No college deceives these potential students.

[Abbycado]

No, they know what they are getting into when applying for loans. I did. There is no fraud about that.

[Grond21]

Some of them are being outright fraudulent. Most are just being deceptive

[Mangospacho]

Signing up 18 year (sometimes 17 year olds) with debt that they cannot ever have discharged even with bankruptcy is ridiculous and should be illegal. If student loan debt is worth it, nobody would still have the debt in their 40s and 50s.

[TheSpaceGnome]

I mean if you succeed in the career your college classes were for, then yes, you will pay off the loans in no time.

Thats the thing though, you have to succeed. Not everyone will.

[ProbablyClueless]

Colleges aren't the ones who are generally writing the loans, but yes, colleges are fraudulent and predatory as all hell.

[AaaAviii123]

No, especially if you already don’t have connections, college is a great way to get ahead. Also, there are many grants, financial aid, resources available. I’d say start with community college.

[beefcakebradybatson]

Yes, and some (likely more than some) are diploma factories.

[shortster]

When you consider how much tuition has gone up; definitely.

[Anonymous]

Liberalism, indoctrination and being expected to pay for it, a fool and their money is easily parted

[DrPepper12]

That's the entire premise & foundation of college economics. That and D1 sports.

[dustybiker2]

No more or less than the military.

[MikeRJ]

It is not fraud.

[Gwendoline]

Offering kids a college place they are not academically capable enough for with the accompanying loans. Some colleges have a 5% graduation rate
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[MikeRJ]

5% is well below the national average.

[Vegasrunner]

That's not how college works.

[Wise4myage]

I wouldn’t doubt it.