"Women should get child's birth certificate without father's name." Agree or Disagree? Why?

[Being_a_good_Indian]

#BirthCertificate #Father

[TadCurious]

I disagree strongly. A birth certificate is what is known as a "vital record," and it has potential utility for a number of things. It's important for legal and other reasons to have a document that shows the biological father. (There are exceptions, such as when the baby is conceived by means of a sperm donor. But even in that case, there are records that can be accessed on a need-to-know basis for genetic and medical history that has a bearing on the child.)

[TadCurious]

thanks for MH Guy opinion!

[Anpu23]

Having the fathers name on the birth certificate gives the father certain rights in the US. As fathers have as much right to their children as mothers, especially if they invest equal care, to deny the father rights for her convenience is essentially fraud, Further there is studies that suggest having a father in a child's life gives that child advantages, to systematically deny that child those opportunities is a dis=service to the child.

[SaskiaBlueRaySoul]

hi, its a tricky one because a baby has to be registered so a person has to go and do that... if a woman does it alone a father if forced to would have to go through a dna test for proof, on the other side id never thought of when a man goes with a woman to register he may not be the father but his presence is proof enough at the time, how would you think this could be different?

[musical_kittycat]

Whatever name the family wishes them to have. If they want the kid to have the paternal family name, let the kid have its dad's name. If they want the kid to have the maternal family name, let the kid have its mom's name. If they can't decide, give the kid a hyphenated name or just two last names. Not hard.

[MsLoli]

Absolutely disagree. If the father's out of the picture entirely, he may need to be found again at some point for medical purposes. Whose idea is it to just erase one side of the parentage from the birth certificate? That's stupid. All to make the mother feel superior?

[Wass_PL]

Some men opt out so they can't pay child support. It clearly states signing birth certificates is voluntarily and without father's establishment, he can't be legally held accountable for child.

[MsLoli]

In that case, fine, but I would still hope the kid would be raised with the knowledge of who his sperm donor was, for emotional and practical reasons.

[JulieXO]

It's his child as much as her's. Both parents' names should be on the birth certificate in my opinion.

[CubsterShura]

No. No matter what the name of biological father should be recorded. In the birth certificate father's name can be optional in certain cases but otherwise the biological father's name should be somewhere.

[Wass_PL]

If the father refuses to sign the name, he can't be responsible for child support should they divorce later. The law clearly states that signing birth certificate is voluntarily and that without establishment of birth father, the man can't be held responsible.

[CubsterShura]

@Wass_PL no, I mean that the name of biological father should be recorded even if it is not in the actual birth certificate and he is not willing to give child support then he shouldn't.

[Wass_PL]

Do you think men should be held responsible for child support instead of women?

[NeallyNeal]

It hurts to say this... but, most of todays socially distracted young moms don't know who the baby father is. Too much of a good time living life like there is no tomorrow i guess. Therefore i believe they might as well just get the certificate of birth without the wrong baby daddy name on it.

[SnapTsch]

Disagree
It makes it easier for deadbeats to abandon their children since there is no legal responsibility.
Also it will also make people more promiscuous.
The single motherhood ratio is already very high, we dont need that to increase.

[Psydchick]

Disagree. That baby didn't materialize out of thin air. Be accountable for where you put your penis. 😒

[airylnovatech]

Obviously I disagree with this. If you agree, you really need to look at this from a less biased perspective. Not having the father's name is simply going to make life tougher for the child.

[ZanyInternetName]

I disagree. It is an important legal document that documents one's heritage, which is important for legal matters such as inheritance or the matter of who is allowed / responsible to care for one.

[11110000bbbb]

It depends on the situation but most times the fathers name should be put on also

[ZanyInternetName]

In which situations should it stay off?

[11110000bbbb]

like if the mom doesn't know who the father is.

[ZanyInternetName]

How could she not know? It is her husband or partner, quite obviously, at least the one from nine months ago (assuming a breakup occurred in the meantime).

[11110000bbbb]

@ZanyInternetName Well some women don't keep loyal I don't think my mom even truly knows...

[ZanyInternetName]

That thought has not actually occured to me.

So if a woman cheated on her husband she should not let his name be on the birth certificate since there is a chance that that information is false? Wouldn't it be better than no name at all?

[11110000bbbb]

@ZanyInternetName I don't really know...

[Naruto_Uzumaki]

I disagree. The child should know who's the biological father

[NineBreaker]

Disagree, unless the father is not known. It takes two to tango, and it needs two (sometimes 3, but that's a different issue) to make a baby.

[taleswapper]

In some jurisdictions, I'm sad to say, the absence of a father's name can result in the denial of certain benefits for your child. I can't think of any occasion when it's helpful.

[Astoriana]

That would certainly make custody proceedings difficult. Rather seems counterproductive, no?

[Wass_PL]

Yes, the man can opt out of signing birth certificate so he can't pay child support. 82% of the time, the man pays.

[Astoriana]

@Wass_PL probably because 82% of the time, the man is the non-custodial parent.

[Wass_PL]

Yes but that doesn't prove sexism is the reason. Most times men are the ones who did wrong during the relationship.

[Astoriana]

@Wass_PL uh huh. What exactly are you trying to argue? It's even more confused than your "atheists are bad because they don't do things that even most Christians don't do" question.

[Wass_PL]

I don't claim atheists can't behave morally good but simply being good doesn't mean you're saved.

I'm saying men have a tendency to mistreat women more than vice versa and courts recognize that.

[Astoriana]

@Wass_PL and how exactly does my point, that making men sign birth certificates facilitate custody agreements, relate to yours?

[Wass_PL]

I didn't know you thought men should be made to sign them. Nobody can make anybody sign anything. The man simply can refuse to sign it.

I'm sorry. I am not trying to make you mad. I don't understand why a person, man or woman, should be forced to sign something or risk jail.

[Astoriana]

@Wass_PL English is not your first language, is it?

[Wass_PL]

Yes it is. Why are you insulting me? I don't wish harm towards you nor argue.

You talk to me how you want because you know you have the advantage. You know I'm not a wuss who blocks people but you very much could do so if you felt the need. You don't even worry.0005% about potential backfires of doing so, like if a person you blocked may seek revenge and block you. Just do it at will and expect it to be 100% okay and that the person should accept it as if you would if they did likewise.

I make people unintentionally mad because I don't agree with secularist ways.

[Wass_PL]

I meant if they sough revenge and hacked you, You don't worry about the.0005% chance of it.

[Astoriana]

@Wass_PL fine. Hack me. See what you would find.

You make people angry because you talk in circles. Granted, circles full of absolute nonsense.

[Wass_PL]

You didn't answer that man's question if you agreed or disagreed.

[Astoriana]

@Wass_PL I did answer it, and if one has any reading comprehension skills at all, one would be able to tell whether I agree or disagree. I wonder what that says about you?

[Wass_PL]

Nowhere did you say the word agree or disagree. So you're insulting me. If I insulted you, you'd block me. That's what I meant about you having the advantage. I don't belittle others though. I treat others as I'd treat myself.

[Wass_PL]

I can't tell whether you agree or disagree by your answer. You simply said it would make them difficult.

[Astoriana]

@Wass_PL right, up until you have an epileptic seizure and call it the holy spirit.

[Wass_PL]

You mock thing that I never claimed it was. Not all thing you fail to understand means it's not God either.

If you don't understand something, you mock it. All atheists do that.

[Astoriana]

@Wass_PL not my fault that you have the reading comprehension of a blind two year old.

[Wass_PL]

We're the only 2 in conversation, why use the @ symbol? That's for 3 or more people.

[Astoriana]

@Wass_PL lol why would I want to be saved if it meant having to spend eternity with jerks like you?

[Wass_PL]

That shouldn't be your reason to accept Jesus as savior. You know that I am not a jerk. What makes me a jerk?

[Astoriana]

@Wass_PL you behaving like a jerk makes you a jerk.

[Wass_PL]

In what ways am I behaving like a jerk?

So if a man murders a man because he raped his daughter, is he still a murderer? He's doing something he normally wouldn't do and doesn't by nature do otherwise.

[Astoriana]

@Wass_PL
a) talking about nothing and completely unrelated things to obfuscate the point
(b) threatening to hack me for blocking you - which you have done before on other accounts
c) self-righteousness of your random cracked out version of Christianity, practiced by a grand total of 35 people but is somehow the only real religion
d) pretending not to understand plain English

[Wass_PL]

Why can't you help me overcome them?

[Wass_PL]

Even if 35 people believe it, it doesn't make it wrong.

[Wass_PL]

Okay, I'll respect your views as long as you criticize atheists who use mockery also.

[Astoriana]

@Wass_PL why should I be forced to? You're self-righteous and boring to boot. I would rather suffer forever than have to spend even ten seconds with someone like you.

[Wass_PL]

I've encounters problems on dates with women many times about certain subjects, even from Christian women.

[Wass_PL]

Everybody is self righteous. All people trusts their own righteousness. If a person believed it was okay to rape, you'd think they are wrong. All people feels their morals are always right. If people didn't live up to your morals, you'd see them as wrong, whether you told them so or not.

[Astoriana]

@Wass_PL oh, and you're defending rape now? That's definitely why women don't want to date you.

[Wass_PL]

You mean if I want to live by the Bible, not to condemn others who don't?

Would you condemn people who didn't live by your morals?

[Wass_PL]

No. But if another person saw rape as morally right, you'd condemn them. All people trust their own righteousness.

If a person believed in something you thought was immoral, you'd not respect them.

[Astoriana]

@Wass_PL my morals are pretty universal, and don't involve condemning people to hell because I don't agree with them and can't take a joke.

You take yourself too seriously.

I'm bored of you.

[Calculus_Brothers]

@Astoriana
Got that?

[opurba]

Nope... it's the best way... coz origin is necessary.

[jacquesvol]

A man is responsible for his child or he's not a real man.

[Nik1hil]

fathers name should be optional.. if the the women is not married

[SirRexington]

People should choose whose last name they want to keep. That should influence the child's last name.

[LegateLanius]

Not at all. Unless its a relut of rape, he should have every right to know. It takes two to make a baby.

[Wass_PL]

No. The child belongs to both parents, not just the person who birthed the child.

[Ronin82]

Agree. A man should not ever be held accountable for something he has no legal say in.

[Psydchick]

He should be held accountable for putting his dick inside a woman and making her pregnant 😓

[Ronin82]

False.
Reproductive rights 100% belong to a female, whether married, raped, one night stand, etc. Therefore females should be held 100% accountable for being granted such liberty.

[Psydchick]

That's because they have to fucking give birth. They cannot do it without sperm. Literally you cause the pregnancy and you want to walk away from it? You would feel no liability towards your own child? Irresponsible jerk.

[Ronin82]

Your logic and reasoning is all emotion and regurgitated man-hate bullshit.
Again:
Its completely irrelevant what "I" want for "my" unborn child. Your body/your choice/your baby should never be arbitrary. But you think it should by your logic.
I can fuck her, yes. But i can never force her to abort/or birth a child. So then why should it be ok to make a man accountable, even in the best case/happy couple scenarios?

[Psydchick]

I admit that I took an emotional approach. I see your sense.

[Psydchick]

I apologize for calling you a jerk. It's just really frustrating that women have to bear the majority of the burden for childbirth.

[Anpu23]

@Psydchick I have a theoretical question that I ask to put this into perspective. I asked it here Father's and another look at abortions? ↗ I would be interested in your thoughts.

[Airplane-Mode]

Disagree.
Unless she doesn't want child support in the future.

[Wass_PL]

No guarantee the judge will award the man to pay the child support. He could require the woman to pay.

[Airplane-Mode]

Technically there is no father

[Wass_PL]

@Astoriana
Your morals are based on what the laws consider moral for the times then.

[shawn4512]

How about if you want the father's name ( in case of child support or custody) require a DNA test.

[Astria]

Disagree, holds deadbeat dads more accountable.

[wandererr]

If he don't wanna claim it I can't see why not

[Hurdleez-Swampede]

Completely disagree.