Is makeup deceptive?

[Anonymous]

I feel that makeup is deceptive women want men to be honest with them but honesty isn't just what is said for example it's not very honest nor virtuous to deceive a a girl into sleeping with you by getting her drunk i feel that it is not very honest nor virtuous to deceive a man into liking you or into a relationship by changing your face into something it is not. So do you think makeup is deceptive?
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yes i do

no i don't

kind of

i'm a guy

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I am glad to see that this topic has brought such fruitful discussions it's important we discuss our opinions even in small areas of life like everyday makeup and yes i know i used models and celebrities here is a picture of an average everyday girl
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[aamy811]

It's so annoying when guys do this. I wear makeup because I don't like the way I look without it. I've had acne since 5th grade, I wasn't allowed to wear makeup until 9th grade; so I went 4 long years feeling absolutely hideous. Guys would say things like "you could be pretty but you have acne so...", little kids would ask "why do you have little bumps on your face?". So I didn't feel pretty, I would cry about it a lot. I wouldn't leave my house, I would starve myself, I wouldn't take pictures, would do things that covered up my face In every way imaginable.
And then I found makeup. For 8 hours a day I didn't have to wonder if everyone was staring at me or my makeup. People would give me compliments. I felt... pretty. I took pictures again, I left my house again.
So no I'm not trying to trick you when I wear makeup, I'm trying to make myself happy and feel good. And if you really loved or liked someone you wouldn't care about how they look physically. Look at that woman, he's wearing red lipstick and eyeliner, it's obvious she's wearing makeup. Sofia vergara is an actress that always wear makeup. So no one is "tricking" you they're doing something that makes them feel good about themselves, and your just too lazy to notice or ask. So if you don't want to date girls with makeup fine, but don't pretend like its equal to rape

[Asker]

guys don't wear makeup and have acne too little kids also comment on our bumps but that doesn't mean we must cover ourselves with some fake layer to feel confident again that's just weak minded (plus makeup makes acne worse) this sounds more like a psychological problem and makeup is your quick fix like the person who has psychological problems and alcohol is his way of dealing with them.

[aamy811]

Actually some guys do wear makeup, and I wish a lot more of them did.
Any way though, at the time it was a quick fix but now it's made me feel better. Before it was a distraction from my problem, but it just boiled into my self esteem and now I just feel better all the time. It's like a girl whose slightly overweight, she doesn't have a preoblem and isn't unhealthy but he could be skinnier. So he dresses to look thinner. Dressing nice makes her look good which makes her feel good and there's nothing wrong with that. She's not trying to lie, she's just trying to look nice.
by the way my acne actually started to get better when I wore makeup because my stress acne went away

[Asker]

it's still a quick fix if you actually want to look better find a way to calm down your stress and get rid of acne and loose weight instead of lying and this isn't the only thing i have a problem with i have a problem with push up bras and corsets and any other deceiving shit out there

[aamy811]

So you have a problem with anything that could possibly make someone feel good about themselves. Okay I see, never mind then

[Asker]

fine than guys will start to wear fake bulges under there pants fake muscles fake fucking everything and when you start undressing you tell me you won't be disappointed oh no but how dare you say you don't like it if the person feels better wearing this instinctmagazine.com/.../amazon.jpg?itok=FYZIL3Re

[Asker]

go to a fucking therapy if appearance means so much to you

[aamy811]

Obviously appearance means a lot to you, if your this distraught over women wearing makeup

[Asker]

i knew you were going to say that no appearance doesn't mean a lot to me HONESTY does and i also hate hypocrites if women want honesty they must be honest too not camouflage themselves like a stick bug

[aamy811]

It's not like I never take of my makeup. It's just something I wear. Much like clothing. Just because I walk around clothes doesn't mean I'm trying to deceive men about what my body looks like, it's just means I enjoy wearing clothes and it makes me feel good.

[Asker]

what a terrible comparison of course you wear clothes even if you didn't like it it's illegal not to

[Izzy2102]

Well ya they are. But you know you say you want girls to be honest, yet you're so harsh to judge a girls looks. So you can't really blame us for using make up.
It's a two way street

And honestly I think in this day and age, if you see a celebrity at any kind of even or really any hot girl online and you don't realize she is wearing loads of make up and is photoshopped, you're just an idiot

There are different types of make up obviously. I think lipstick and mascara and stuff enchance certain features and usually make little difference.
Contouring and highlighting on the other hand can make a huge difference
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But well once again, you can't blame us for doing it if most guys go for the heavy make up option 99% of times

[Asker]

can't blame the guy that got the girl drunk either girls go for that guy 99% of the time

[Izzy2102]

what are you even talking about?

[Asker]

in my question i compared alcohol to be a tool of deception just as much as makeup

[Izzy2102]

Most girls don't go for that not even drunk. 99% ? As if.
And ya it is their fault but the number of girls that go for it is far far far lower, while practically all guys go for more make up.

And it's generally a very very very bad comparison. Alcohol is a drug that impairs judgement. It's illegal to give someone alcohol without their knowledge for that reason. It changes your ability to reason and think straight.
Make up does none of that. You're still at your full mental capability when you fall for it. A better comparison would have been a guy who tells a girl he is the prince of england to get laid, without drugging her drunk first

[Asker]

it has been proven that men become more stupid when they even think of attractive women
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the only difference is that one is illegal and the other isn't and to make things worse you just admitted it has more efficient results

[Izzy2102]

But in that case the make up (deception) causes you to be Cognitively Impaired, whereas with the alcohol the decreasing cognitive ability IS the "deception".

It's like saying when someone roofies you, they deceived you into having sex. No they didn't. Maybe they deceived you to drink it, but the result of the drug is not a deception, it's what the drug does

[Izzy2102]

also both articles reference the same research so talk about "proven" and there is no indication that the result is anywhere near comparable to that of alcohol or other drugs

[Asker]

they are both respectable sources if you are not satisfied i apologize your highness i will try harder next time.

[Izzy2102]

clearly I didn't say that. I said they are one and the same thing, as they are referencing the same research

[GoldenSunshine]

I think it depends. If someone uses a thick layer of makeup in the whole face then yes, I guess it can be deceptive. But not common makeup like mascara or a bit of rouge.

[jacquesvol]

A discrete bit of make up might not be remarked and might thus deceive.
I'd rather think an obvious thick layer of makeup in the whole face will make it evident that "what you see is NOT what you get."
Thus no, it's more like war paint than like deception then.

[Asker]

he's got a point
3 2 1 debate.

[Kinstrome]

@jacquesvol Thick makeup can completely change the person's face, leaving the observer with no knowledge of what it could look like. Moderate makeup--which the majority of girls use--does not make a significant change to the face.

[jacquesvol]

@Kinstrome
Thick makeup will indeed be a mask but everyone sees it's a mask. The more make up, the more obvious. I'm colorblind in some degree, thus I'll probably not even see slight make up. I'll be deceived by it. 10% of men are colorblind in some degree. Only 2-5% of women are.

[Kinstrome]

@jacquesvol The corollary to more makeup being more obvious and showing less of the face is that less makeup will obscure less of the face, and thus most of the true face will be shown. The only way having heavy makeup would be less deceptive than light makeup is if, by seeing a girl with heavy makeup, the observer could better tell what her face really looked like than he would be able to tell if she had only light. And that doesn't make sense.

[jacquesvol]

@Kinstrome
IMHO it's rather that heavy make up will trigger an alert code Orange in a guy's brain "Attention, fake product", while a light makeup will trigger less alarms in his brain.
Of course, if the guy is on auto pilot with his tiny brain (3ft lower ), he can miss all kinds of alerts.

[Falling4UTC]

It is not exactly deceptive. Makeup makes the girl feel beautiful, most times it is not for the male species. If it is a thin amount, then her face wouldn't change much. Honestly, do guys thinks all girls look exactly like they do without makeup as they do wih? Because I find that completely unrealistic. Let a girl feel beautiful, you should be attracted to her physically yes, but you should tay with her for her personality.
Just some small points I came across, not sure if they are understandable or just a bunch of words that are difficult to grasp an idea from.

[caesar1000]

My wife is beautiful without make-up, and I still think so 14 years later. However, when we go out she still puts it on, and is very skilled at it. I always get a thrill at the transformation because she looks a different kind of beautiful.

If we are to accuse make-up for being a deception, what about clothes? All of us, guys included try on clothing at the shop and look in the mirror. If the clothes make us look bad we don't buy them, but if they make us look good we do. Is it not also deception to wear a style of shirt that hides a slight bulge here or there? Few of us have truly perfect bodies... so are we lying by not just being naked all the time?

[Asker]

I've hear this clothes argument before and yes clothing can be deceptive like water bras, push up bras, and jeans that purposefully lift up a saggy bum to make it look good now i believe that this argument goes to an extreme when suggesting we become nudists it's just trying to make my point sound ridiculous and out of proportion i have no problem with her wearing makeup for special occasions as long as i know what she looks like without it and sadly 2/3 of women don't let their significant other see them without makeup i also have a problem with the women that put on their camo before going man hunting at a club or some other place for an easy lay.

[caesar1000]

I do get your point now. I think it is weird that a woman would not let their partner see them without makeup. It shows a serious lack of self-esteem.

[OpenHonestGuy]

I don't think it is deceptive because if it was deceptive, then so would 6 pack abs. Makeup or a good physique doesn't make us who we are. That being said, I do personally believe makeup is often overused. I say, keep it simple. When I kiss a girl on the cheek I don't want to smell or taste layers of makeup. Lipstick and maybe eyeliner or mascara is the most I prefer. All that stuff caked onto the face to hide the blemishes makes me worry that the girl is too self-conscious. But at the same time, if a lot of makeup makes the girl feel better about herself, then more power to her. But please scrape off a few layers before we make-out.

[Asker]

no man 2or 4 or 6 or 8 pack abs were actually worked for and earned that is a part of that person it isn't something fake added on to make it look like you have abs but you really don't.

[OpenHonestGuy]

Asker, my point is simple, abs or makeup doesn't change who we are.

[LittleSally]

Those pictures you put on - hell yes it is.

But what normal people put on - isn't.

(Piling on makeup so that people won't know what you really look like without it - that's deception. I wouldn't recognize any of those women if I only knew them with makeup on and saw them somewhere in town without it...)

[Kiwedin]

I don't think it's deceptive, unless you're one of those girls who end up looking like completely different people. It's pretty well-known that women wear makeup and it shouldn't come as a shock to find out that a girl doesn't have huge eyelashes, built in eyeliner, clear and even skin, and gold eyelids. I've always told people that they should do what they have to do to feel comfortable, and for some people that includes applying makeup. You say we're deceiving men, but how are we supposed to walk around without makeup all the time in a world that has such high expectations of what women should look like. I saw a little picture on tumblr that said something like

Boys: Girls don't need makeup to be beautiful, they should just embrace their natural beauty.
*girl goes natural*
Boys: You don't look so great, are you coming down with a cold?

Lmao, it made me laugh, but it's really true. I stopped wearing makeup for a couple weeks and my grandma thought I was depressed and giving up on life haha

[Insert_username__]

The first picture shown was done by an incredibly talented makeup artist from the middle of no where. They also didn't just use the makeup you see at your local CVS, we're talking thousand dollar products, and hours upon hours spent on that lady! No normal woman has that kind of time! People who do change drastically with makeup like that can also afford all kinds of plastic surgery and stuff. Therefore the only people who change this drastically are either celeberties (who can also do a lot more than makeup), and one time subjects being used for a makeup artist's portfolio... Even your beauty guru co-worker doesn't look that different with makeup. And when people truly will look different with out makeup, you'll be able to tell, their makeup will look cakey/crusty, it will be obvious how heavily it was applied. Makeup is good, a little mascara and eyeliner can make a woman more confident and feel empowered, makeup also has a rich history and has deep roots in different cultures. You also have to consoder when some of these before and after poctures are taken... maybe that girl was having a really bad slump, she hasn't brushed her hair, showered, and she woke up two minutes ago, and the photo was taken in horrible lighting. I look a lot different when I first wake up compared to an hour later, I'm still groggy and my face is swollen. And if you're going to get upset about how decieving it is maybe we shouldn't blame the women for wearing it, but the people who make them feel as if they should wear it.

[Insert_username__]

Ot to mention make up is an art form. It's also huge in many subcultures and allows people to express themselves. Of we dodn't have makeup we'd just be one step closer to gobalization. Makeup is also important to theatre (like hugely important) Makeup is used to enhance features and is often misunderstood/looke past about how aignificant it is to culture. It's just as important as food or music. ... also in the words of another intelligeant gager "Of you think my eyelids are green you're a dipshit"

[Asker]

i don't mind a little mascara and some lipstick it's like you said when they cake i also don't have a problem with people in show business wearing it for show business i have a problem with the girls that go out in search of a hook up with their camo on ready to hunt that dumb man that falls for her fake looks

[Insert_username__]

I understand you have an issue when the makeup is caked on. However, it is important to understand that makeup plays a huge role in cultures (think china vs canada) and sub cultures (think the kind of makeup a stereotypical goth kid would wear vs the cheerleader) And in many of these beautiful cultures, caking on makeup, is in fact a thing. You say that these women go out and hunt dumb men. However, if these men are making poor choices, being shallow, and are, to use your words, dumb, then aren't those the consequences for being foolish? We must also consider that some women, the rarer ones that do spend excessive money and time on makeup, may not be trying to be deceptive, but actually just enjoy the artistic side of it. I would also like to point out that for these so called deceptive women who are 'out to trick men for sex' perhaps we shouldn't be blaming them. If we were to blame anyone it should be the people who make them feel so insecure, their past bullies or abusive parents?

[Insert_username__]

2/2 Or maybe the failing mental health care system for not providing these women the resources they need to be in a healthy state of mind so that they don't feel the need to wear such makeup.

[Asker]

let me use your logic
I understand you have an issue when alcohol is drunk excessively. However, it is important to understand that alcohol plays a huge role in in cultures (think scotch whiskey vs. American moonshine) and subcultures (think the type of drink a stereotypical preppy girl would drink vs. a lumberjack) And in many of these beautiful cultures binge drinking is in fact a thing. You say that these men go out and prey on dumb bimbos. However, if these women are making poor choices, getting drunk, and are, to use your words, dumb, then aren't those consequences for being foolish/irresponsible? we must also consider that some men, the rarer ones that don't spend excessive money and time on alcohol, may not be trying to be deceptive, but actually just enjoy drinking with women, I would also like to point out that for these so called deceptive men who are out to "trick women into sex" perhaps we shouldn't be blaming them. If we are to blame anyone it should be the people who

[Asker]

make them feel so insecure, their past bullies or abusive parents? or maybe the failing mental health system for not providing these men the resources they need to be in a healthy state of mind so that they don't feel the need to get women drunk

[Insert_username__]

Your argument doesn't stand. I do not have an issue with drinking. Alcohol is important to several cultures. I do not find alcohol deceptive, therefore using alcohol to compare to makeup does not work. And of a woman was to go out alone , drink, get drunk, sleep with a man, then in the morning regreat it, it is not the man's issue. She was the one getting drunk and she was the one who agreed to sex. (If the woman was unconscious and could not consent, that would be a different story)

[Insert_username__]

You have only furthervalidated my point. If you fail to see that logic, I am sorry.

[Insert_username__]

I would also like to bring to your attention again that if a woman is wearing enough makeup to change the eay she looks that dramatically and you dont realize it. You have much bigger issues than the shame of sleeping with an ugly girl.

[Insert_username__]

Also, the comparison about dumb bimbos and the comparison about binge drinking don't compare to my argument about makeup. (However, comparing makeup, which you find deceptive, to alcohol, wich i do not find decptive or have a problem with, doesn't work either.)

[Insert_username__]

I would also like to point out that I am not condoning getting a girl drunk to have sex with her. The woman would have drank woth the intent of getting drunk, and would have earlier decided that she was going to have sex eith a guy that night.

[Insert_username__]

You posted this anon, too? Please just block me. I'd rather not see your posts anymore or the people responding to your posts anymore. When you get a chance please google "makeup is not deceptive" and read the arguments.

[Asker]

i'm not blocking anybody that's too much reverence just suck it up

[unbothered]

Hi There! First let me just say that the first makeover photo that you posted is AMAZING! Kudos to that MUA!! LOL Now to your question: Yes, makeup can be deceptive. If you are using it to hide or conceal features about yourself then yes. However, in most instances, makeup is used to highlight or enhance your best features. The woman pictured above has beautiful blue eyes that were being washed out by blotchy skin and an ungroomed eyebrow. See the difference after? what you're seeing is a trick of the eye, contouring achieved through the use of cosmetics. In essence, she is still the same person, just "enhanced". Makeup is deceptive when used to hide permanent scars, marks, acne, etc. which are things that can be corrected through properly taking care of the skin through diet, dermatology and by letting the skin "breathe". Have you ever noticed that many makeup artists have very beautiful natural skin? even though they may wear a "full face" everyday? it all comes down to proper skin care. You should never want to be dependent on makeup to feel beautiful or confident. A good facial cleanser, moisturizer, toner and sun screen should do the trick,,,, in addition to plenty of water, vitamins, fruits & veggies. xo

[Anonymous]

To be honest I don't think most women do or don't do makeup for "men". I myself rarely put more than mascara and a tinted lip balm yet I have drawers full of makeup because it looks so enticing and PRETTY in all the different colours! and sometimes when I am bored I love to watch YouTube makeup tutorials and try recreate them only to wash it 10 minutes away simply because I am so impressed by the creativity of it all!
As for dating, I've always done the natural self/look and dress down compared to my usual simply because I am subtle by nature and if I go in my usual trendy/fun/funky style most men tend to assume you went all out for them (kind of like you...).
However, with my boyfriend I am guilty for feeling flustered without my mascara because he loves my eyes and I had a moment's uncertainty "omg what if he doesn't love my eyes without mascara" which he thought was hilarious and told me my eyes have the same effect on him with or without mascara (yay lol)

Many women especially the ones I see do more dramatic make-up do it more as a form of art expression rather than to "impress" a man.

Also, most men have lived/grown-up with women in one form or other (sister, mother, cousin, grandma) so I'd think most men are aware that women generally don't have lined eyes, blushed cheeks, tinted lips etc etc and are not so easily duped.

[Stacyzee]

It is only deceptive if the person is applying layers of make up.

I wear basic foundation and I still look like myself.

I don't understand why a lot of people say p*rn stars or celebs are gorgeous.
When really half of them without make up look like wet dogs like the ones shown above.

[Asker]

i know right?

[caesar1000]

True about the layers of gunk... a person skilled at makeup application can make it less noticeable. Unfortunately women usually do their own and some are better than others. Clubs are full of non-blended foundation, mis-applied lipstick, and wrong colours of eye shadow... and all these make people notice the makeup first and the person later.

If you google celebrities without make-up though, you'll find many who look sweet without it. There are some cases where they look much better without it IMHO (Kim K. pops to mind immediately). I met Britney Spears years ago without makeup and she was lovely.

[Lioness]

Asker: I love how all your arguments about make-up involve the girl trying to "deceive the guy" And all your comparisons for the argument involve actual deception from the guy/and, or illegal. Anyhow, the point is I wear makeup for myself because I feel more awake, I like that everyday I get to be creative and come up with some new looks plus being in sales it's actually in my job description. I'm not trying to get a man, and damn sure not someone as narrow minded like you who's only concern is that you land a natural 8 or above. Quite honestly I think you need to stop looking at the girls with makeup as the problem and figure out why you feel so entitled to hook up with such naturally beautiful women? What happens when you find that perfect 10 woman on the outside but she's a 3 on the inside? What then?

[Asker]

"What happens when you find that perfect 10 woman on the outside but she's a 3 on the inside? What then?"
have you ever heard a term that goes "hit it and quite it?"

[Lioness]

That's exactly what I thought you would say... hmm let's put this in another perspective. What if you found the girl of your dreams, totally fell for her... and since you drove a BMW the girl assumed you had money. Only to her horror, you can only afford the nice car because you live with your parents and so she dumps you. Question is, was that deceptive on the guys part and how would you feel that a girl judged you from "the outside"?

[Asker]

yeah i wouldn't drive a BMW if i didn't have the money though that's just not a good decision getting into that debt now more realistically lets say i hook up with this girl because i was wearing a Ferrari sports jacket and the next morning she is obviously disappointing well she has all reason to be since i don't own a Ferrari and in real life i don't do anything like that i rather get turned down for me than to deceive and get approval for a fake persona
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[Lioness]

Well at least you have some moral compass lol; But you didn't answer my question about how you would feel if the girl dumped you because of something that was projected on the outside.. As in, you never intended to deceive the girl about driving the fancy car, but that is what she judged you on instead of you as a person.

[Asker]

it is sort of a bummer but i must admit that for most of us what is on the outside is half of the reason we like someone and if i didn't have that half i went from 100% to 50% from a passing grade to a failing grade.

[Lioness]

I get where you are coming from (in a way) mostly because you are still receiving after effects of raging teen hormones ;) The point is you are still young and into new and shiny, with age will come discernment and proper perspective on people and life. I just hope you can eventually see the value of a woman that has nothing to do with her physical beauty, because physical beauty fades away but inner beauty lasts a life time.

[koko124]

so if a guy is wearing shoes that give him 4 inches in height, is that deceptive?

[Asker]

yeah although that's something that isn't very common so girls would realize it quick

[Lioness]

@koko124... If a guy is wearing 4 inch heals that would pretty much make him a cross-dresser, which in that case would be pretty deceptive (I would say) lol.

[Lioness]

I don't agree with your assessment on that.. Yes, guys are more physically driven then women, however when they fall for a woman they see the overall quality of the woman (inside and out). You are still quite young, so you may change your perspective in a few years.

[Anonymous]

Oh my god - I could write an essay on this topic, but I shall refrain from doing so.
The short answer is yes, makeup is deceptive. In fact, its sole purpose is to create the illusion of physical qualities that one does NOT possess naturally. It's meant to be deceptive.
I used to wear heavy eyeliner and I guess this made me look more attractive because men frequently showed interest in me. However, after a while, I decide to decrease the amount of makeup I wore because I felt fake, frankly. I was quite surprised and admittedly thrilled when men still showed interest in me when I wore almost no makeup because it meant that I wasn't as ugly as I had believed after all!

[Asker]

this!!! and doesn't it feel better to be approached for your real face?

[Opinion Owner]

Yes, it does feel better! Before, when guys would tell me I was pretty, I would think to myself, "You just think my MAKEUP is pretty," but now I am able to think, "Wow - he really thinks I'M pretty!" :)

[Hopefuldreamer8]

I agree. It's why I don't listen when people tell me I should wear a lot. I am not that attractive at all. Other people have told me that I could wear a lot of makeup to make myself look better. I disagree though. If I were to finally meet a guy, I don't want him to like me for my fake face and then dump me when he finds out what I really look like.

I do try my best to look better by doing my hair and wearing nice clothes though. If I wear makeup it's just eyeliner and mascara. I don't wear any other makeup. Most of the time I don't even bother with the eyeliner and mascara.

I don't see anything wrong with other girls who do wear it though. I don't want to judge people for something they want to do with themselves, I just personally won't do it for me. I don't see the point.

[Error_204]

Make-up is not deceptive. What you've done is taken images that have make-up & photoshop & a completely different type of camera lens and compared them and photoshop is outright deceptive with the lens on the camera making a huge difference in how things look.

[Asker]

what about now?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JMpL-BPkbFs

[Error_204]

She still has the base for the look. Make-up is not magic. The best way to look at this is actually in relation to fictional characters because that's where make-up is used the most and has the greatest struggle. The woman that you posted a link to is not ugly, she has minor blemishes, but when she starts and her face is red it's from being rubbed not from a natural state; if it was from a natural state she'd have used a... Oh who am I kidding. Anyway, monsters:

The reason it's so challenging is because the difference between a "cheesy zombie" and a cinematic masterpiece is very thin. Making someone or something look believable requires that they have the actual physical base for the appearance enhancement to begin with. Cameras and Photoshop/Computational manipulation however can completely override this blurring and skewing various augmented aspects to fix things (thus why CGI and monsters get along far better) allowing for the cheesy to become less so.

[Error_204]

Basically the guy in the Jason mask or the girl you saw down the street this Halloween dressed up as a fairy that looked bad is because they didn't have the face for it. Given a proper lens any professional can fix that.

[jacquesvol]

Even a toddler sees at first sight that 'Metallic Cat Eye' and those lips here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JMpL-BPkbFs are just war paint.

[poppunk]

Absolutely not. If you think any of that makeup is natural the only deception occurring is your own stupidity. If some dipshit thinks my eyelids are naturally green I'm concerned for his mental health. Its a million dollar industry present in every grocery store across America, but somehow men are shocked to find out the average woman partakes in it?
By that same logic, clothing is deceptive because it alters the appearance. Tell me, are you terrified when people change clothes?

[poppunk]

I could accuse you of being deceptive for not being a nudist by that exact same logic. Sheesh.

[poppunk]

The fact that people are agreeing with this makes me lose hope for the world... a womans self expression is none of your business. This is in no way comparable to rape. Ever.

[Insert_username__]

Thankful someone here is sane

[jennifer8]

OK Kids, chill!

[poppunk]

@Insert_username__ thanks ditto back to you :)

[poppunk]

@jennifer8 the fact that so many people are agreeing with this is a symbol of the intellectual suicide of our society. If you dont want to see it you are not indebted to read it, but it's kind of a big deal

[poppunk]

guys who pull that "I like my girl natural" bs (same logic as asker) be like:
"I really like a natural girl... you know, doesn't wear makeup, doesn't dye her hair, doesn't tan, doesn't brush her hair, doesn't brush her teeth, doesn't shave, has never taken a shower, lives in a cave... is really an ape"

[Asker]

i hate it when they wear push up bras water bras and all that stuff as well yeah.

[Asker]

i didn't compare it to rape i compared to alcohol as a means of deception

[Asker]

" the fact that so many people are agreeing with this is a symbol of the intellectual suicide of our society. If you don't want to see it you are not indebted to read it, but it's kind of a big deal"
so if people don't agree with you they are committing "intellectual suicide" well that is a logical fallacy called overgeneralizing and us vs. them mentality

[Asker]

"guys who pull that "I like my girl natural" bs (same logic as asker) be like:
"I really like a natural girl... you know, doesn't wear makeup, doesn't dye her hair, doesn't tan, doesn't brush her hair, doesn't brush her teeth, doesn't shave, has never taken a shower, lives in a cave... is really an ape" this is another logical fallacy known as the slippery slope when if someone says one thing you exaggerate it and put words into their mouths no i like hygiene and grooming because that's maintaining something you already have not adding something you wish you had like a whole new face

[Starsite]

Smart girl!

[Starsite]

If you use alcohol to get a drunk girl to have sex that is rape.

[Asker]

@Starsite thank you captain obvious look at the other comments also i don't condone date rape i am saying that alcohol is the tool of deception just like makeup is the tool of deception difference is one is legal and one is not that doesn't mean that i want date rape to be legal nor makeup to be illegal it was meant as an example to show how if you think one is sneaky and wrong that the other is too.

[poppunk]

Clothing adds things to the basis of a person as well but somehow i doubt you're a nudist. Haircuts change whats naturally there, but somehow i bet youve done that too.

[poppunk]

Im not saying you're saying that, im simply pointing out your hypocrisy, all of those things aforementioned alter the course of the nature you so love, but i doubt you have anything against them. Its intellectual suicide because you're bashing an entire slew of people based on their choice of self expression instead of attempting to understand them. you're so pretentious

[Asker]

it's not falsifying something please don't speak to me until you substitute your logical fallacies for actual arguments

[Asker]

you don't even know the definition of pretentious: attempting to impress by affecting greater importance, talent, etc. than is actually possessed. i am not pretending to be more than i am and i never said i love women to be natural you said that all i said was that i find makeup deceitful now if you will please return to your life of high school drama, going through puberty, and passing that English class so you know what pretentious means that would be great.

[poppunk]

you're bashing a group of people based on their self expression therefore thinking you're beyond that, therefore being pretentious. Your clothes ate decietful by that logic

[poppunk]

You dont know how words like these affect women. All you're doon is throwig around hate

[poppunk]

*throwing

[poppunk]

I dont wear makeup for men, i wear it for me. You have no business believing your opinion is so important as to bash it

[Asker]

i am not bashing anyone for anything i am stating my opinions on makeup and criticizing social norms. just read my other comments and you will see i don't hate people that wear makeup you see by criticizing the product doesn't mean i am bashing the consumers it's like when i offend a company like Apple i am offending the company not the consumers they mustn't feel offended it's just someone else's opinion.

[poppunk]

you're attacking my integrity and authenticity base off my use of makeup; thats what bashing is.

[poppunk]

*based

[Asker]

i repeat i said the product is deceitful not the user it's like saying smoking is bad am i saying that the smoker is bad? No.

[Starsite]

@asker You're an idiot. You're jumping all over anyone who disagrees with you. Why ask the question if you are only going to shoot people down for not agreeing with you? I'll tell you why, because it was "Captain Obvious" really just a statement in disguise. You want to pull shit like this at least have the balls to not post Anon. Since you know who I am please kindly bloke me as I'm not interested in reading anything more you have say.

[poppunk]

Okay, but the point remains. If you think that makeup is natural the only deception occuring is your own stupidity. Those girls are beautiful before makeup as well, it isn't a big deal. If you think its really possible for women to look like that naturally you're diseducated

[Starsite]

*block

[Asker]

@Starsite I will not bloke you since i don't know what that is but i posted anonymously because i like expressing my views without being judged i thought everyone who did that did it for this purpose or because they don't like to get sexually harassed.

[Asker]

i didn't think that's what they look naturally they are not beautiful without it which is why i don't want them wearing it so that i can see whats behind the curtain and i believe you meant to say *uneducated

[Starsite]

Go to my profile, look to the left and click 'block'

[poppunk]

People like you are the reason so many girls have low self esteem. I really hope i never meet someone like you in real life. Correct my English all you want, but i dont need your validation to know i am of a superior intellect.

[poppunk]

Same for me since i can't block you anon, please block me

[Asker]

that's too much reverence for you.

[Asker]

misspelling a word and then claiming to have "superior intelligence" now there's an example of pretentious by definition.

[poppunk]

www.reddit.com/.../
Read if you get the time

[Asker]

read it here's my response
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[poppunk]

I never said i had it i was just saying that what you say doesn't affect it

[poppunk]

Omg you're one of those fedora meme guys please block me already. And by the way, i wouldn't care if my man was fake in a manner of appearence as long as it makes him happy. Someones appearance tells me nothing about their personality

[Asker]

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[throwit]

If a guy doesn't realize that the girl he likes doesn't actually have gold eyelids and naturally black skin around her eyes then that is his problem.
Women wear make up because that's the way we are raised. If we aren't good looking enough then no boy will like you.
And FYI, those sample picture have horrible lighting, no one would look good in than light. Plus the first girl after make up is completely airbrushed in Photoshop. Boys are fucking idiots.

As soon as society stops putting such a strong emphasis on a girl's appearace, then maybe we can stop wearing it without fearing being called ugly.

[Asker]

not all girls do glamour makeup there is more natural looking makeup stop blaming society and the way you were raised for your problems it's your own insecurities guys are taught that we must be muscular but there are a lot of us that frankly don't give a shit and don't blame society for it.

[Kinstrome]

Few people who use makeup put on as much as a celebrity does. Celebrities have professional artists work on their appearance, and even those professionals are at the upper end of their profession.

The majority of girls who put on makeup don't fundamentally change their appearance. I suppose you could say it's deceptive, but then again, so is washing the natural oils out of hair, or shaving beards. People even have a biological instinct of tightening their abdomens to appear more fit. Human beings have always tried to enhance themselves, and I don't think it's a destructive part of human nature.

[Asker]

no i don't think it's destructive either but just feel kind of cheated in the morning if she's good at it you may think she was an 8 but she was actually lower depending on your preferences for example https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JMpL-BPkbFs

[Kinstrome]

Well, I think the girl in the video is pretty without makeup, even if she looks a little like she's woken up drunk. But anyway, it's pretty obvious when a woman puts on that much makeup. I don't think the ordinary guy would think "yeah, she's really that good-looking."

It's not such a big loss to find out a girl wasn't as attractive as she first appeared. There are plenty of girls for you, and plenty of guys for her.

[staciebee]

Make up can NOT, by definition, change your face. It can only enhance it. You can make your eyes look bolder than they already are--you can make your cheeks rosier, or your eyebrows fuller. You can make your skin glow. But an ugly girl cannot be made beautiful with makeup alone. The pictures that you posted--those women already have high cheekbones, small noses, and nicely shaped eyebrows. Someone just snapped pictures of them making icky faces in bad lighting. So no, I don't think makeup is deceptive. It's just a way for girls to look their very best--anything beyond that is impossible.

[ThatNiceGuy]

I have a female cosplayer I follow in Facebook. I think she is really pretty but she posted a makeup tutorial in YouTube so at the beginning of the video she is not wearing any makeup and she looked very different, much less pretty. I still follow her cosplays and I think she's adorable in most of her pictures but I still cannot understand how can she change so much with makeup. I know this girl from my school who looks disastrous in school but she actually has an instagram page with many followers who call her gorgeous because she wears LOTS of makeup in those pictures.

[TheDevilInside]

Most everyday girls don't wear as much makeup as your links do. I guess if you turn into a totally different person that people can't recognize you anymore, then yes, it can be deceptive. Otherwise, we mostly only use makeup to cover blemishes and make us feel and look more presentable and well put together.

Imagine a woman walking into a job interview looking the way she looks like when she gets out of bed. She would totally have a disadvantage compared to the madeup girls, simply because the made up girls look like the put an effort to look presentable and "ready to take on the world".

If you think make up is deceptive, then you should think clothes are deceptive too, because they hide body imperfections, little fat rolls on the stomach, and scars.

[Asker]

i like your reply and yeah i find clothes to be deceptive too for example water bras and other fake add ons.

[TheDevilInside]

I'm talking about normal everyday clothes, like a regular sweater.

Everything in this world is deceptive man. Perfumes are also deceptive, right?

[cityauriella]

There are two types of women who wear make-up. One uses it to enhance themselves, for example, a natural look (no contouring or changes their structure, just to cover some blemishes or redness). The other is what I'm assuming you're taking about is those who pile make-up on their face, spend hours on hours doing it. But they aren't being deceptive either their faces don't change its a canvas and they add onto it. In that case have you seen the rising demand in male grooming, which includes make-up.

[Asker]

I haven't and in that case I am opposed to that too I can see the covering up of some zits here and there, even though it's worse for your skin, but it's a total lie when they cake up i am sure that a woman would feel cheated if a guy had a huge bulge and a prince charming face and the next morning she woke up next to 5 inch average joe.

[xobrowneyedbeauty]

To be fair, the pictures you shared are probably not just *professionally done* makeup but also most likely *photoshopped* as well. When I wear makeup, I don't think it's deceptive. Does it hide minor flaws like dark circles under my eyes and pimples and unevenness of skin tone? Yes. Does it actually change how I look? Definitely not! I do not have a professional makeup artist, access to photoshop, or the ability to contour. So I say no, normal everyday makeup is not deceptive, it is just improvement. :)

[Random_chick_2384]

It depends. If the girl is wearing a lot of makeup. Like contouring, highlighting etc .. And try to change their face shape, eye shape etc . It should be used just to bring out features like eyes and using mascara or lips and lip gloss. I only use a little bit of powder to hide a break out and reduse the shine. Then a bit on the eyes, lips and cheeks so I don't look like a ghost. I try to do it with as little makeup as possible and to look as natural as I can. If I didn't have bad skin I wouldn't wear any.

[SammyGurl]

Those two cases are pretty extreme. I don't think that a small amount of powder type foundation, a brush of rouge, lip gloss and a slight bit of eyeliner is deceptive at all. You can see the real me through what little I wear, just a little detailing. No more deceptive than when you guys was, wax, polish, clean the windows and dress up all tee rubber and interior on your car until it is radiant! Most of us never wear the level of makeup being shown. That's almost if not to the level of theatrical makeup where the illusion of the person is quite different than reality. If that's what you're talking about then, yes I would agree. Those are professionally made up people so you don't see that every day. At least I dont.