The way modern western society is these days women choose what they view as the top 20 % of men. 80 % women choosing 20% of men the symmetrical bad boys. Y’all are literally breeding these types. Part of the problem is in males , because of all the average looking males trying to get a female that hype them up so that they get unrealistic views of what the deserve , and all that hogwash. It’s also modern feminism playing a part in this by destroying the nuclear family leaving boys to be raised in a single mother home and seeing their father enslaved to a woman through a biased legal system that has awarded her all of their fathers possessions. Has stripped him of his rights to be a father accept his wallet , and after she takes all of that she will also be awarded 50 to 75 % of his future wages until his children are grown and out of college , child support is extended past 18 to 24 years now. After seeing this many men these days are opting out of marriage leaving females with these weak males and narcissistic males. Seduction is not dead but it’s dying a slow death in this hookup culture we have in western society. I travel a lot I wonder how many Americans know that people abroad think Americans are idiots and their women are crazy. They actually laugh at our society and it is ridiculous and bereft of common sense. As to your question seduction is partly a learned skill that matters very little if the chemistry is there these days it’s going to happen. Also these days to be successful with most women you’ll have to be in that top 20% of pretty boys. It seems to me women do not like men they like the psychos and shallow narcissistic dudes it mind boggling. Y’all are getting what you deserve though hopefully y’all will wake up and stop breeding these types 🤷♂️
It’s a mix of both, however I think a lot is learnt early on with how we interact with others.
we watch and learn and also we try things ourselves, we learn from mistakes and failures, also other peoples failures.
local culture also comes in to play.
where I live girls are known to be very forward and outspoken, if you are looking to chat one up, you have to really have a good game plan or they will rip you up and laugh about it.
Also I’m not sure there is a such thing as a Shy Geordie, we are raised to be open and friendly with everyone, this makes us sort of natural flirts, we have the patter.
Some things are natural and then developed, the ability to read someone, is a really good skill to help with seduction, as you can feel how they are emotionally and how things are from physical tells.
also Manipulation, is something you have but develop.
there is nothing ‘nice’ about being able to seduce someone, it’s using a number of Social Engineering Skills to exploit another person to get what you want.
It can be both to be totally honest. Some people come across nautrally seductive without even trying, like they oose sex appeal when they do something. It could be dancing, and their body movement, it could just be a cute but sexy look. It could be a catch of the eye that is suggestive, its really in the eye of the beholder. Everyone is subjective to interpeting what seduction looks like and how it sets them off. Some people have to really try to be seductive and from my own experience, almost forced myself to be someone that I'm not, almost like changing into character. With the right person, all that shit goes out the window, because you just go wild for the one you want. As corny as it might sound, a guy can make me feel more sensual then I ever might mean to be without interacting with him. But again, this is me describing myself. Everyone will have a different opinion on it, so its a balanced argument tbh
For a number of people that is something that comes naturally, provided a few conditions are met. If one is shy, introvert, socially inactive, it will be much more difficult than for someone that is open.
It is because of those flaws that there are people that take advantage of them and proclaim to be dating coaches, to extract a maximum of money from their clients, to teach them the rudiments of dating and to attempt to make them believe that they need a coach to do something that could be done at home, in front of a mirror.
Seduction is also coupled with a lot of negative sides as someone that is a seducer is often a player and a very superficial person.
I think it's the opposite shy people are more easier to be seduced depending on knowing there psyche.
BC they are actually waiting for someone to do things what they have seen as romantic but are shy to express it's just the timing matters and a little push
Yes, it's why sociopaths and psychopaths are so attractive to women. They have %100 confidence , one reason women think men are all players is that the worst men have the best "game" a sociopath will ask 199 women out for every one a normal guy approaches and be ten times as successful getting a date because he lacks the empathy that restricts heathy men.
A normal guy won't hit on a waitress because she's working and that puts her in a bad position, it's a total wrong thing to do. She has to be nice it's her job. A man with no empathy doesn't care , he just dies what he wants which ironically is also appealing (bad boy syndrome) to women.
If you ever wonder why our society has so many terrible people, this is why. We are litteraly breeding for them by making sociopathy a requirement for getting a date.
It s natural for those lucky enough And for the rest, they can always learn it. You start by taking care of yourself and working on you, and once you are confident in who you are, you will start to be comfortable around others and more outgoing, thus looking more confident and desirable. And through this interactions, you will pick up few tricks that work here and there
Is the ability to lie genetic or learned behavior?
Great question.. IMHO women are expert manipulators very few men can match. In fact a man who is as good at manipulation as a women is probably a psychopath or at least a sociopath. Unfortunately for women guys like that are extremely confident and that is attractive to them.
u jus be urself, and if girls dont like u... ur jus unlovable, putting on a fake act and acting a certain way jus to try and get a girl in ur bed is wrong, cos once u drop the act and they see the real, its jus gonna upset her cos ur not who she thought u was, and then the relationship will end, so jus be urself.. if someone likes u, cool, if no one does like u, whatever
no girls love me and thats jus the way it is, i jus have a shitty personality i guess
Yes & yes & finally yes again... the best have some natural talent that they can develop even better over time. Others may not be naturally gifted but can become good at it over time... some are and will always be fucked and lonely.
I say it is both, things came naturally to me after I broke out of my shy shell, but with time and practice, I learned certain skills that made it even easier.
It's a skill. It's not a trick, it's mostly just learning to be a good conversationalist. That mostly comes from being genuinely interested in other people.
It is called good personality. Money, academic level, posture, figure, family background, relationships, achievements, occupation are going to do the magic
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