Are you a Vegetarian or Non-vegetarian?

[epictetus455]

Why and Why not?

[Apulu_Imback]

I was vegetarian during Lockdown. However when my school started again my dad became angry because I was having less protein and it's really important in the time that I'm growing. He knows very well that I need much protein so I can grow tall as it is my spurt growth period now. It was manageable during Lockdown but I was getting more exhausted easily during school days according to him so he said me to continue non veg again to at least maintain whatever weight I have now instead of becoming a skeleton and remain strong.

[Apulu_Imback]

I'm omnivorus you can say.

[epictetus455]

Typical Asian Parents

[Apulu_Imback]

Lol yeah. They make sure you eat well.

[Apulu_Imback]

Thanks for the MHO!

[Losalt]

It's a bit of a myth that a vegetarian diet (vegetarian diet is not the same as a meat diet with the meat removed) is low in protein.
The issue is more just people switching without knowing enough about what they're doing.

[Apulu_Imback]

@Losalt I know right.

[Losalt]

Present him with facts.
Research every single amino acid and their sources.
Vitamin D2, D3, B12, B6, C, E, calcium, iron, omega 3, 6 and 9, etc, etc.
Look into bioavailability, substances that increase uptake and so one and so forth.
Document your needs and every dish that meets them that you make.
He can't argue against facts.

[Apulu_Imback]

@Losalt Well he according to him non veg is faster way for protein.

[Losalt]

@Apulo_Imback
That's true, but our protein needs is a lot lower then he thinks.
Look up vegan body builders etc.
It takes longer to gain muscles and proteins.
But if you're mindful you absolutely *can* cover your needs.

[Apulu_Imback]

@Losalt Yes, he doesn't minds me being Vegetarian as of course I drink milk and milk products too. However in my student life I only eat the dinner in home and he doesn't really trusts school food (he suspects I skip meals and he is true) that is why he added non veg in my diet.

[Losalt]

If he's right about you skipping meals then he's right about you not being ready for a vegan diet.
It requires disipline.
While some of the things your body needs is stored for long periods of time (a full B12 storage in your body lasts for months and months if I don't remember wrong).
Others will run out in a single day however...
You might survive just fine without some meals, (there's some advantages to starvation too) you'll also take some damage too.

[Apulu_Imback]

@Losalt I didn't became all vegan. I also consumed milk and milk products by the way.

[Losalt]

That helps a lot. :-)
I was struggling with vitamin D myself with my lacto-vegetarian diet though.
So perhaps check if your levels are okay?

[Apulu_Imback]

@Losalt From last check only Vitamin A is less. And rest all is fine.

[Losalt]

Nice. :-)
I don't think I've been low on vitamin A before.

[SaartjieJane]

I could never go without meat.

[epictetus455]

What is your message to the vegetarians?

[Ευδεμονια]

I’m vegetarian since I was 15. I made the choice for ethical reasons, I had beliefs that became stronger after reading the book “Why am I vegetarian” by Margherita Hack, an Italian astrophysicist

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.tuttogreen.it/perche-sono-vegetariana-il-libro-dell%25E2%2580%2599astronoma-margherita-hack/amp/

Here’s the link for description of the book, it really convinced me.

I integrate my diet with fish twice a week to balance for trace elements but apart from that I’m quite strict.

[Secret6620]

I'm a vegetarian!

I changed my diet at the beginning of the year. And I've managed to lose a lot of weight and improve my overall gut health.

I highly recommend vegan or vegetarian for those who suffer from gut issues or obesity.

[CloudMassacre]

I’m a non vegetarian because chicken is cheap and tasty

[epictetus455]

Cheeper than vegetables?

[CloudMassacre]

For sure. A bag of spinach is like $3 and a 10lbs bag of frozen chicken quarters is like $7.50. I still get bananas and potatoes and other vegetables, but I still eat chicken because I can afford it

[epictetus455]

Good for you man

[purplepoppy]

I'm an omnivore. My view is it's OK to eat meat but some intensive farming practices need to be phased out. We need to get rid of cheap nasty meat and eat better quality meat.

[epictetus455]

Yup Cheap meat and Musty Vegetables.

[Horse-girl]

I'm vegetarian, I became one when I was five and realised what meat was.

[Losalt]

Similar story to me.

[Horse-girl]

@Losalt yay another one! I don't even remember what meat or fish tastes like. 😊

[Losalt]

@Horse-girl
Well, in my case I made a compromise with mum.
No meat etc till I was adult, but I'd keep eating fish at least.
Then when I turned 18 I quit fish too, becoming lacto-vegetarian.

[Horse-girl]

@Losalt what's a lacto vegetarian?

[Losalt]

Lacto-vegetarians are people who eat vegan food + milk products.
Ovo-vegetarians eat vegan stuff + eggs, lacto-ovo-vegetarians est both eggs and milk as well as vegan food.
Pescatarians include fish.
Flexitarians eat vegan/vegetarian 90% of the time but might on rate occasions include meat.
Raw vegans only eat vegan food that hasn't been boiled, fried etc.
(Dried is okay).
Each of these diets have their advantages and disadvantages.

[Horse-girl]

@Losalt interesting, you learn something new every day!

[NamerOfStars]

Non, because I don't want to wind up like the Neanderthals. Even for omnivores, we can eat a HUGE range of foods, and I've seen what happens to vegetarians who have to eat meat; it's not pretty.

[Losalt]

I'm lacto-vegetarian myself.
Have been since I was young.

[Shamalien]

Vegetarian because I don’t think eating meat is very civilized. It’s barbaric. I’m pro vegetarian for the same reason I’m pro life (except in cases of rape or terrible shit like that)

[Delia1979]

I eat both actually. I don’t just eat meat like a salad to go with it.

[msmissydc]

I am a vegetarian as I dont support unnecessary harm in any form. I think killing animals for my Taste is unnecessary.

[epictetus455]

Plans have life too. They feel pain and They even Cry

[epictetus455]

Plants

[msmissydc]

Yes, but in other ways than animals do. Also I said unnecessary harm. I have no problem surviving a good life without meat but I am not starving myself for things without a central nervous system.

[joeldalton]

How many animals are ground up and killed to grow your vegetables?

[msmissydc]

You know that it works the otherway arround most of the time. Plants are grown to feed animals.

[joeldalton]

Do you have any clue how crops are planted?

[msmissydc]

You have any idea how animals are fed?

[Shamalien]

@joeldalton I like ya buddy, but your argument on this one is pure trash. Raising cattle has a far worse impact on that piece of land than growing crops, if you’re talking about habitat displacement or some shit like that. Eat meat all you want, it’s your choice, but it does cause more harm and suffering to living things and that’s why many choose to go plant based, not to mention all the cardiovascular benefits.

[joeldalton]

@Shamalien eat what you want for your health, but don't pretend that a vegetarian/vegan lifestyle is 'cruelty free'.

[Shamalien]

@joeldalton nothing is cruelty free. It’s way less cruel, and I switched for that reason.

[joeldalton]

@Shamalien But then don't say things like OP "I think killing animals for my taste is unnecssary". When it's clearly part of the growing process.

[msmissydc]

Where is killing animals a part of growing plants? What plants do you eat? As long as you dont count insects yes I could understand that.

[joeldalton]

@msmissydc any mammal that lives where the crops are being grown is likely to be plowed over.

[Shamalien]

@joeldalton The point of the veggie lifestyle is to reduce harm where possible. We aren’t going to starve ourselves for the cause. OP’s point stands. We eliminate the unnecessary suffering. I’ve heard your arguments all over the internet and they are trash, just really weak arguments. How do you think animals are fed? All the negatives of agriculture apply to livestock production, but an order of magnitude higher because of the inefficiency of converting grain to meat. It’s okay to be wrong, you’re right all the time about cultural issues, but you didn’t do your research on this one

[Losalt]

@joeldalton
Any form of meat needs more material feed to the animal then you get out as actual food.
It varies what ratio that is from about 3x for some fishes to 10x for some of the worst offenders.
Yes, a farm takes up space, and may displace the local animals, but growing food to *feed* said animals takes up *more* space.
And causes suffering for the animals in question, as well as the animals displaced.
So that logic just doesn't hold water, sorry.

[joeldalton]

@Losalt there is a difference between “more harm vs. less harm” and “Killing animals is unnecessary” vs “it’s a necessary evil for my lifestyle”.

[Shamalien]

@joeldalton we’re talking about killing animals as the main attraction vs killing some animals as collateral damage, which is actually unavoidable, we step on bugs everywhere we go, we aren’t magic, we are just not killing animals unnecessarily. Avoiding causing suffering where possible

[joeldalton]

@Shamalien and that’s a different argument than the original answer.

[Shamalien]

@joeldalton not to my eyes. She said she doesn’t support unnecessary harm, not that no harm will be done, we do have to survive after all. She doesn’t kill animals for her taste. She was very specific. You’re usually right about everything…so you must he quite out of habit of admitting you are wrong 😂

[joeldalton]

@Shamalien lol, ok.

[Blackcupcake]

I eat everything

[epictetus455]

Best of Both worlds

[Blackcupcake]

yes!😆

[joeldalton]

non, because meat is delicious.

[Bluemax]

I'm omnivorous

[JesseJayNeak]

Non-vegetarian

[Anonymous]

Vegan