I've been saying this for a long time. Face determines beauty not your body, the body is only a bonus. People say the body determines good genes but that is not true... anybody can become fit and ANYBODY can become fat but not everybody can have a beautiful face. Which is why you can be jacked/perfect body or (if a girl, fit, slender) and still be considered ugly (butterface). It's the same reason why a girl/guy could be a bit chubby and still be considered gorgeous. As long as you're not too fat or too thin (where it can distort your face), if your face is beautiful you'll still attract a lot of people (i. e. Ashley Graham, Zach Miko).
Look, dude, I really, really, REALLY don't like pretty-boys. And these male models... yeah, waayyyy too pretty for me. No thanks.
I like men with, uh, "character" in their faces. I like street boys, with fire in their hearts and scars on their bodies. I like grit, and concrete, and intensity, and darkness, and I like boys who are NOT pretty.
These models are... cute, but, I'd want to scrape their faces across some old concrete before I'd actually want to fuck them.
Sry for not fitting neatly into yr little worldview, kid.
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Yeah but you're 41, so it's not that big of a surprise that your options are limited.
Lol, kid, I've been married to the man of my filthy wet dreams for more than fifteen years.
Oh, and... A woman of my age who's well-kept, and who knows how to take care of herself, and who knows how to walk and dress and talk and move and fuck like a master seductress, and who takes no shit off nobody... has LOTS of options. Lots and lots and lots of them. Probably even more options than at half my age, since there's so much less decent competition.
That's cool that you're married, but it's also very irrelevant (I guess you're trying to prove that you were, at one point, desirable? I don't understand the point in even bringing that up lol).
You're also a little deluded thinking you have options at 41, and 100% delusional thinking you have a better shot with men than someone in their 20's. I guess your attitude of bad bitch at 40 is good for this site since it's full of loser women, but it's not true in the real world.
@Omar5881 Dude, I get you're trying your hardest to impress her like the typical simp does, but she really didn't roast me. I guess to pretentious people like you, 'kid' is a hyooge burn, but really it's nothing since, respectively, I am a kid in comparison to her senior age.
@chintita Mhmm... Justin Bieber definitely has no hot women fawning over him... Zsyn Malik has no hot girls fawning over him Zac Efron has no hot girls etc.
the guys u named have teenage girls fawning all over them nd unless u intend to pedo on some teens then u should lift weights instead of complaining about not having a pretty face. girls falls in love with character
Probably because he has been lifting weights. You can't just gain muscle like that without working out. Just wait til this guy reaches his 50's or 60's, his buff body will start to sag. . . aah, the joys of getting old. As I've said before, I been attracted to skinny men, chubby men, athletic men, small, average height and tall men. Just a shame I haven't found one with a good personality.
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What you wrote has nothing to do with the question, I hope you realize that.
I think you'll find it has something to do with the question, as I am saying looks aren't everything. I mean we're all suckers for nice , its the first thing we notice about someone. But for me if a guy has nothing other than good looks going for him. I'm not interested. So I'm going to have to disagree with you and say that personality and compatibility wins over good looks. Have you ever thought that's those girls might just be after him for his body and not his face? A lot of women probably don't even like his face.
No, it has nothing to do with the question. The question is 'why lift weights to get a nice body when it doesn't fix an ugly face'. It had nothing to do with entering a relationship.. you just made it about that to peacock your 'personality matters more' attitude.
Probably to attract hookers, they dont care who they screw as long as they get paid for it. It wasn't to peacock any sort of attitude as you call it. I speak for a lot of women when I say that personality is more important than looks. I've seen plenty of guys with cute faces, but they have nothing else going on. They think they can just rely on their good looks and you'll fall into their arms. Pathetic really. What you find ugly, other people might not. That's the point I'm trying to make. Like similar questions, the answers always boil down to peoples preferences. Where are you going wrong then, when you aren't getting attention from women?
Yeah but that's not all you need to get someone. Maybe really shallow people, that only like you for your looks and nothing else. Way to go for hook ups if that's what you want. Can't see that ever leading to a lasting relationship.
If you want to be that naive and think all that you need is a pretty face to get women's attention then that's up to you. I wish you the best of luck with those shallow hals that love your face but hate your body and everything else about you.
O I don't know to live longer, be healthier, to be in peak physical condition, also when you gain weight that weight is added across your whole body, your face included, also the reason why this guy is attractive is genetics, bone structure. But when you gain weight and some of that weight is added to your face, it can to a degree hide that bone structure or make it less visible.
Your point is only valid to a degree however and if you really wanted to prove your point then you would have not chosen a male model but an average person.
Here, I'll give you a little story to help you out: One day I was shopping and I was in aisle 5. I saw this lady peak her head into my aisle to see if what she needed was there and her face was STUNNING! She was beautiful. Then, she proceeded to walk into my aisle. She got half way into aisle 5 and her ass and back rolls were still in aisle 4... True story. I hope you get the point.
You didn't pay attention since you don't even understand the thread content, otherwise you wouldn't have made such a stupid and pointless observation like that.
He wouldn't need to lift because he is handsome to chicks, that was the point. You saying "yeah, but he does lift!" doesn't matter, since the point of the thread was to say he didn't have to.
... oh, sorry, am I supposed to find that guy to be hot? He's not attractive at all, in my opinion. Plus, until scientists find a way in which a face can be detached from the body and still be fully functioning, then the body and health that comes along with it just about equally important. I can't imagine being attracted to someone who may have a goodlooking face, but is morbidy obese.
What a shame I am skinny fat but I am sure I am much heavier than this guy according to my height. My body mass index is 22. I am sure that guy's BMI is below 20. He looks quite thin.
Body DOES matter! Don't let these girls' LIES make u think otherwise.
As the saying goes... don't listen to what women say. Watch women women do. Emulate the guys you see have the type of success with the ladies you want (casual sex encounters, friends with benefits, a steady relationship, a future wife to build a family with, etc.)
@AmongTheApples thanks for the props! Too many girls think all guys want is sex when guys complain about not getting enough female attention.
When that is far from the truth. Some of these guys genuinely want to have love and romance in their lives, and for them emulating the playboy that looks to fuck a different woman every night is NOT the model to emulate for said guy wanting a relationship.
They say height is more important than muscle. What good is it for a guy to be 5 feet and 7.7 inches in a world where both short and tall girls want tall men?
Why compare yourself to a model whose income DEPENDS on his looks? Obvi he's gonna put a lot of attention into making every corner of him looking good. He probably also faces a lot more pressure to look perfect anyways. For us average folks, sooo unnecessary. Your body and face is the only body you're ever gonna get, so treat it as sacred and work with it as a canvas. You can make yourself look good... stop expecting a model outta yourself!
I like me being skinny fat. I looked large most of my adult time being overweight and obese. Now I wanna look slim being skinny fat. I dont actually see myself skinny but the term skinny fat is used for people at normal BMI, so I used. I prefer to call myself slim rather than skinny. I also dont see being skinny fat as something bad since most of people who have normal BMI are skinny fat.
I don't care about the face, or his muscles. I want to know what's going on in his head. But after reading some of OP comments and replies, I get the impression that isn't much going on in *his* head. But, I don't much care about that either, since I'm very happy with the man I've got, and I'm not interested in looking for another one. This one is clearly a boy, just like the OP.
No, there's certain types who look good with very little amount of muscles and certain types that look absolutely shitty and this guy would look shitty.
"No it's because he has a mesomorph body type and mesomorph body types look shitty without any muscles."
YESSSS THANK YOU
Listen to her, she knows what she's talking about.
Out-of-shape natural mesomorphs look like absolute shit. They get that sloppy paunch on their stomach, and those fat cheeks that look like they spent all weekend getting punched in the face. Srsly, it's bad news bears.
@Bandit74 ectomorph body types don't look too bad with little muscle because it's natural for them. Obviously any body type looks better with a certain amount of muscles but I find that ectomorphs can actually look pretty weird when they overdo it which I've never found in a mesomorph person (except from professional body builders obvsly because they basically always overdo it).
@redeyemindtricks funnily enough I'm actually talking from experience (as far as I can, as a woman) because I'm the mesomorph type myself and always had a fair amount of muscle for a woman even without doing exercises for them – honestly I think it's just natural for mesomorph body types to be more muscular, especially for men, so seeing a skinny fat mesomorph guy just wouldn't look right – I personally would kill to have the metabolism of an ectomorph person though!
@redeyemindtricks@Bandit74 Francisco Lachowski is another good example for just the right amount of muscle on an ectomorph guy :) Looks like he put effort into his body while still looking natural - I can't even picture him being any more buff than he is now
@redeyemindtricks Haha I'm underweight by bmi standards thanks to my eating disorder now so better not but I might come back to the offer once I'm over this (which will hopefully be one day)! :)
Well, you are not in denial, which is step 1... and it's a big step 1.
I mean, it's worth thinking about *to what degree* you want to actually "get over" this, too -- because it probably won't be the same degree that physicians, etc. would advocate. There's a VERY thin line between disordered eating and *structured* eating -- the latter of which can honestly help keep the rest of yr life in order, too (at least that's my experience, anyway).
Like, my training diet, which I generally eat for 6-8 out of every 8-10 weeks, would almost certainly be classified by doctors as EDNOS/orthorexia... but my life would be a lot more disordered, ironically, if I had the "relationship with food" that everyone holds up as ideal.
In any case, good luck. Everyone's experience is different, so, if you feel like yr walking this path alone... yeah. <3
Yeah, I see what you mean. Lachowski would look odd if he was bigger.
"I personally would kill to have the metabolism of an ectomorph person though!" It can be kinda annoying at times but I will admit it is nice not having to worry about what I eat :)
@redeyemindtricks thank you :) it's been 7 years now and sometimes I just feel like I'll never be normal but then I'm actually surviving on what I eat now and don't have to go for a run or swallow 30 laxatives after every meal I have so I feel like maybe this is my normal. )
There'll be a point where, if your "relationship with food" gets any "better", you'll start feeling a definite LOSS of control. The point where that happens is pretty much where you should stop trying to move any closer to the average.
There's a certain closed-mindedness about this, in general, that just bugs the shit out of me. Like, it's generally recognized that people can be relaxed/uptight about personal space, or morning/night people, or planners/go-with-the-flow types, or introverts/extroverts, or Type A/Type B people... but, for some reason, there's still this assumption that there's exactly *one* level of control over our diet that's "normal" for EVERYONE.
It's absurd, if you think about it. Some people's equilibrium in that department just happens to fall closer to "control freak". In exactly the same way that some people are more of neat-freaks and others are more slobs.
Just make sure that you find YOUR definition of normal, because, if you try to eat
Trust me, people have given me more than my share of shit about this. As someone who's naturally built like a handrail *and* (independently of that) someone who watches her diet closely, I get shit from a surprising number of people. A couple people have even told me that I'm setting a "bad example" for my daughter. All because I watch my diet and I'm not fat. (These are people who don't even know the extremes of my training diet, ironically enough.)
And I'm just like, nope. They're ignorant.
I have a girlfriend who is a total neat freak. To give you an idea, her house has white carpeting, and they have 2 kids, and somehow it has managed to stay white. Lol She's not OCD (she doesn't have the weird/irrational compulsions)... she's just really hardcore about neatness, and that's what gives her peace of mind. You are probably like her, but, just with yr diet the way she is with her house.
But, yeah, people are gna give you shit. ::shrugs:: Oh well.
People who think you need to use steroids to get brolic usually have never lifted weights. It's easy to get brolic so long as you eat right (lifting weights actually only plays a small role, like 20% of it). And guys usually don't lift weights to get women. Most of them were introduced to through high school sports and usually lift weights for themselves.
@Vivaldi no, I assure you it's easy. I'll go from 140lbs (I'm 5'8", so that's really skinny) to 170lbs in six months. I work out 4 days a week, and really I'm probably over training. I do this every year (I get skinny from late fall to late winter). As I already said it's just about eating right mainly (I was taught like this: it's 70% what you eat, 20% what you do in the gym, and there other 10% is mainly about rest) But it really is easy once you know what you're doing. I eat six meals a day, not big meals like 500 to 700 calories. That's 1 every 3 hours. I get most of my carbs in the morning. And I shoot for a 40/35/25 carbs to protein to fat ratio. It's not hard, it's just science.
Oh and the one meal every three hours is important because on average 3 hours is how long it takes your body to digest your meal. So this way you're always full but never forcing yourself to eat.
@Miezko you're most likely a mesomorph body type so you gotta take that into account though. From previous questions I'd say that Vivaldi guy is probably endomorph so it's harder for him but still not impossible.. by the way 140lbs on a 5'8" guy is normal lol not skinny..
To me it's skinny, and I promise both you and him, with the right diet and a little exercise anyone can get amazing results in as little as a month, guaranteed.
Well, 2-3 months is a little ambitious, and it depends from your starting point, I think. I'm on diet and lifting since January, and I've lost 30 pounds or something like, but to get a decent shape I still have to lose at least 2 times this amount, and being endo, I think it will require at least one year. But surely nowhere near 10! That's just ridiculous.
@Giacomanzo of course it depends on where you're starting from, but if you're 140lbs in three months you should be able to see 155 to 160 lbs, that's 15 to 20 lbs of lean muscle mass. You won't be big by any means, but than this guy isn't big either, and you can definitely have much better cuts. Believe it or not, but this guy really isn't in that good of shape, he might be a model but he's no fitness model. Zac Effron (hopefully I spelled that right) is more along the lines of where you can be (starting at a 140 lbs).
I was obese last June with the BMI of 30. I went from the BMI 30 to BMI 22 only doing cardio. I did running a lot. I am now skinny fat but my fat is mostly on belly and chest, other than that, I dont have much fat. I only did cardio but I am sure I lost much more fat than I burnt muscle because my body looks so very much better than it did.
@Miezko Well, he might be not a body builder, but I think he's in a pretty good shape, I don't live overmuscular bodies. But what do I know? I'm just a fat blob :D
@Vivaldi Well, that's nice that you did, but with my constitution I would just drop muscle way before fat mass doing cardio only. I did that for the first month of diet just to add some respiration, though.
@Giacomanzo don't put yourself down, the important part (which I mentioned in my opinion) is that you're happy with your body. People don't workout because it'll help them pick up chicks (if that's what you're interested in don't use weights just try talking to girls), people lift weights for themselves. It makes them feel good, it makes them more confident in themselves, and they have a better perception of themselves. Oh, and it's healthy too.
@Miezko Actually the only reason I started working on my body is 'cause I get too much extra weight and I have no money to buy new clothes, as stupid as it can sound :D
So they can do lots of things. I have a body who told me one night well he was on his way to work some kids (I say kids but more like 17, 18, 19, maybe even 20 year olds) started yelling shit at him. I'm not sure what they were saying, and the way he told it, he wasn't even sure if they were talking to him. But he didn't want to take the risk, so he put his head down and quickened his pace. He was scared. Now, had I been in that situation, or had he been a gym rat like me, I wouldn't have felt intimidated. I wouldn't have been looking to start a fight, but I wouldn't have been scared either. I would have been indifferent to them. The reason why isn't because I'm tougher than him, it's because I have more confidence than him. But that's just one example, maybe it's something like taking a dance class or some other activity that in the past you might have thought twice about, not wanting to get made fun of or get picked on. It's hard to bully the kid who benches twice his body weight.
@Vivaldi You're being so ignorant because you just love leaving out the most important fact, yes, all females would disagree with you on that because all females would think that both bodies look shitty.
@Miezko I hope you're talking about his body because that guy has serious problems accepting the truth, you don't know how many times he asked this question on here now..
@Vivaldi OK I know I made this question being negative and shit, but do you not realize that you aren't fat anymore? All you have to do now is build muscle, but you're still leagues above your old fat ass self as a skinny fat dude. Sure, you aren't winning any beachbod competitions any time soon and women won't soak their pants if you take your shirt off, but you're also not a disgusting laughing stock.
Gain mass, change your body fat percentage in the process, and you'll be laughing. You've accomplished a lot just by not being a fat fuck anymore.. give yourself some credit.
Was that a mental note to yourself? You call the dude gross and then get mad when I point out how flat and unfeminine your body is. Even a pair of dysfunctional eyes could see the hypocrisy.. speaking of eyes, if yours were any more sunken in you'd be a corpse.
@redeyemindtricks first he was trying to make me a racist, then a person without proper eye-sight and now he's just straight out insulting me lol it couldn't be any more obvious..
Losing weight is easier than gaining muscle. All you have to do is move your ass by walking or running but I prefer running because walking kills so much of your time. When you run, you arrive where you want to be in so much shorter time. I went everywhere by running instead of taking a bus.
@Vivaldi You're missing the point. You are leagues above where you were when you were fat. People like Jxpxtxr aren't worth paying attention to.. she's one of those weird artsy people who think frail, slender bodies are aesthetic. The bint likes androgynous men, for god's sake, so her idea of what is and isn't an attractive body is not representative of the average woman's idea.
@Giacomanzo Don't be sorry, @asker has proven to be a butthurt little bitch since the very first comment under my opinion so it's by all means not you who caused this.
@Giacomanzo You didn't cause a fight, and I'm not fighting. We've got some sassy bint who thinks she has room to talk about what is and isn't attractive because she's an art major, an immature 60 year old trying to stay relevant and playing the role of den mother, and my ass letting them know that their faux-confidence doesn't work on me.
@Vivaldi Np, man. You can't let these goofy hoes think they can walk all over you and talk shit about what you've achieved, especially when they aren't shit themselves.
@Vivaldi Haha, see? Look at how mad she is that she can't insult me. She's resorting to making me look like the angry, butthurt, sad person as her last line of defense because she knows what I've said is true. Even her little teen-brained den mother, with all her 'wisdom' and 'motivational quotes', couldn't protect her from the truth (which is hilarious, since she's calling you a bitch for feeling supported by me, meanwhile she sucks up hard to Stickler's Mother all the time).
She's goofy, and that's what they do. They try to break your confidence, and when all else fails they get passive aggressive and say absolutely nothing hoping it either annoys you or makes you say something that'll make you look bad. Just ignore it; She's a loser.
LOL 😂😂😂 Surely you must have been looking into the mirror while formulating that last paragraph? Like.. remind me.. who started with the insulting first? Oh wait… it was you! Pathetic much?
And on a side note: if the obvious truth is so insulting for you you should probably get your butt up and change it ;)
... ... ... Ok so I’m sorry but I just can’t take you serious after that last comment anymore 😂 but feel free to keep blabbering your bs and telling those pathetic butthurt remarks to this hand emoji ✋😹
everyone is different though, personally I don't find his face attractive. also if you're "unattractive" being muscular cancels out the ugliness so to speak.
No it does not cancel out the ugliness it makes you look like you're compensating. I doubt any girl who had an ugly face would get much attention from guys no matter how good her body looks (maybe from behind). Men are super rude to butter faces. A girl that looked like Adriana Lima (face-wise) would get plenty of attention even if her body wasn't as fit/chubby (not morbidly obese obviously)
Lol "debit card" Hopefully real ballers are smart enough not to leave much money in a checking account.
You know that anyone with yr account number (in the US) can just pull that money right out of yr checking account, right? They don't need any kind of signature or approval from the account holder (that's you) to do it, either.
It's not all about the face according to what I can realize. Lifting weights can be a morale boost for you as well, so it's not just all about looks too.
As a guy I think he's not that good looking, I think there's better MEN out there than this BOY... cough cough DAVID BECKHAM cough cough... is a guy who doesn't need weights. lol
If he didn't have a nice body he wouldn't be as hot. If he was fat it would show in his face. But you do have a point tho. Being fit will only take you so far. An ugly guy with muscles is still ugly.
Had he been skinny or fat he would have been drastically less attractive, that's why. And a healthy body is a good body. It's not his fault he's pretty, stop being bitter.
No he wouldn't be drastically less attractive, lol. There are gorgeous skinny guys and beautiful chubby men. I've seen all 3 with my own eyes. No need to lie.
also, his face is all sharp and whatever because his weight is on point. his weight is on point because he works out and likely eats decently. so it's all linked.
Again, the point is that his face is attractive because his bone structure is perfect. Whether he's muscular or just thin, his face will be lean, so it doesn't matter if he lifts or not since his bone structure is prominent and strong.
There is no reason if the only reason you are lifting is for the women. On the other hand if you are in it for yourself, self improvement etc. Then there's every reason to.
People don't choose their faces , buy they choose their healthy life style and to build body , they earn respect it not just about the face dude , it's more on the body because that you create
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Your concept of "some people have genetic advantages so I'm not going to try at all" is nonsensical.
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My concept of 'muscles aren't going to make an ugly face appear more attractive' is on point.
no, because a generalization is formed from a general consensus. If 50 out of a population of 30,000 were vegetarian, would you still say it was wrong to generalize someone from that demographic as being a person who eats meat?
In this case I don't think you've talked to enough people to generalise. Even if 10 out of 10 told you so, it's still a too little sample to actually state anything.
I've visited Italy plenty of times and my black friend had absolutely no luck with women despite being a ladies man back in america, and I've known enough italian families over here calling black people moolies behind their back to know that Italians typically aren't attracted to black people.
I could affirm the opposite and say that I've never heard something like that, and I obviously know more Italian people than you. To sum up, your statement has no scientific or proved value, as such you're just generalising for the sake of it
During the year I spent in Italy, the local Senegalese guys -- especially the musicians -- had no trouble getting laid with the local girls. So, yeah, asker... wrong-o.
Note to self: Make question male only since women can't seem to grasp the concept of 'His face makes it so he wouldn't need to workout' and has nothing to do with his body.
Only to stupid people who become hostile first. Oh, look, you're a stupid person being hostile first. My favorite type of person. Nice graphic tee, gelled tips, and arched eyebrows.. you definitely nail the metro-guido douche look.
Yep, that's why they try to battle me in the comments. Why don't you go pluck your eyebrows a little closer to center brow, it'll make you look more like the clown you are.
I don't pluck my eyebrows, lol. I also wasn't "battling" you, simply stating that you're hostile af to just about every single comment here. Just rude as fuck for no real reason.
Like you, trying to make fun of me, it's dumb you fucking keyboard warrior.
I wasn't talking about you when I said that, bruv. You're pretty conceited, aren't you? Check below at all the people who 'don't give two shits about what I think' trying their hardest to insult me back and argue with me.
I'm hostile to people who are hostile and stupid. Unfortunately, it seems that's all this site has to offer in terms of character. That's not my fault, that's the fault of enabling sissies like you.
Lol, you're the obviously ugly and pissed off about it guy who's jealous and anonymous trying to be tough, sounding like a douche, on the internet of all places. Get the fuck over yourself. I'm done with you.
You start off aggressive expecting me not to be hostile back You get all butthurt while claiming you don't care You claim I'm an idiot for making fun of you You then go straight to keyboard warrior mode after criticizing me for all of the above.
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