Anonymous(36-45)+1 ywhat girls have you been dating?
you don't have to have the perfect look but you do need to be attractive to that particular girl.
walk? um I don't really care about the guy's walk, just don't walk hunched over like ur scared and have no confidence
body language? well positive body language is good...
say the right words? I hate liars but don't be awkward and can't have conversation..thats not attractive
what are you saying? that girls should just settle and have low standards and be like "oh he's breathing, he seems like a good guy to date" come on now. girls have standards just like guys do. and the best part about it is every girl is different and wants different things in a guy!
are you really gonna act like guys don't "demand perfection" from girls? like they want us to have the perfect body (and even if we don't they will still wish that we did), have pretty hair, a cute face, and look great on his arm? its not as if guys have no standards and are happy just to take anything either02 Reply
Asker+1 yThx for your answer. One, I don't demand perfection from girls, never did, never will...some guys might but I'm not one of them. Two, I didn't say girls shouldn't have standards...of course they should...it just seems like NORMAL guys like me don't have a chance. Like sometimes I'm awkward with conversation, I'm kind of shy, etc., but that makes me undateable to girls. I have to have the perfect look (I'm not attractive), perfect confidence, etc.
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I agree. I am not desperate or have low standards to pick a guy just because he is alive! We want perfection on a guy and perfection for each girl is different. If we like a guy and we accept each other?s faults, we consider him perfect!
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+1 ywhen I watched 'Jake' on the Bachelor, he seemed SOOO flippin perfect that I wasn't jealous of the girls who got to rub up against him at ALL. He acts so perfect, and has "THE PERFECT LIFE" and honestly, that's such a turn off. I want my guy to have quirks, to show me a different way of life, life has been hard on me, emotionally and financially, but I still don't ask for a man with a huge wallet. I want a guy who is individualistic. That's all I ask for. someone who intrigues me, who doesn't have such a cookie cutter lifestyle. He doesn't have to do crazy things everyday, or look any different, it can be his manner of speaking, acting, or just the way he thinks about the world.
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Asker+1 yThanks, that's reassuring. I definitely don't have the "cookie-cutter" lifestyle. I hope I can find a girl who has an outlook similar to yours.
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Conformity is boring. And you'll find that more girls think this way then it seems.
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+1 yI have to say, girls are way more critical of guys than vis-versa. There is almost nothing that would keep a guy going on a second date with a girl (I say second because the guy has to like the girl at least a little to go on a first date to begin with) and there are literally hundreds of 'deal breakers' to apply to the same second date..
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Asker+1 yTHANK YOU! At least you're acknowledging the truth, lol. Can you list some of those deal-breakers?
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Deal-breakers, in my opinion..
For the guy applying to the girl: if she talks on her phone or otherwise ignores him the whole time. Seems as if she is not having a good time, seems entirely uninterested etc... Is outwardly rude, unhygienic or by some bad luck, performs his worst pet peeves repetitively. Basically, the obvious and intolerable. - +1 y
And for the girl applying to the guy, also in my opinion* :
If he looks at the waitress a second too long, or with the 'wrong' expression on his face.. If he is oblivious to her fishing for compliments on her hair style which she (unbeknown to him) spent hours on that morning.. If he does not hold her hand properly.. If he does not call immediately following the date.. If he does not smile and look at her, laugh at all her jokes to be polite.. These vary, and some may be considered exaggerated
Asker+1 yI see, thanks a lot. I wouldn't even commit any of these deal-breakers and girls still wouldn't date me. Well what do you mean by not holding her hand properly? I might be too nervous/not know when to do that...
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I was just naming things that girls have later had gossip over, and from that decided not to date them. None of those apply to me so I can only guess from here; Probably didn't do it at all, or got nervous and did it briefly, maybe the girl then thought "omg does he think my hand is gross!" Because girls tend to be self conscious. Personally I think nervousness is sweet, it shows that you really care and are trying hard to act your best. I'll never understand why most other girls don't like it
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** I meant that none of those girl deal-breakers applied to me, in case that statement didn't quite fit there, so I'm speaking objectively..
Asker+1 yOh ok. Thanks a lot for being objective, and not being too judgmental of guys. Yeah, it's pretty depressing to know that nervousness turns most girls off...if a girl is nervous because she likes me, it would be the cutest thing in the world...
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I agree! It's so cute when a guy is nervous, it's flattering and makes him seem timid :D
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I'm not judgmental at all, but I can't help it. I am almost the exact opposite of the "common girl", I like a guy to be kind of inexperienced, gentle, kind, shy, feminine.. (which for most girls *from my personal observations/friends* these would be their turn-offs) Then again I can be too nice, and I've found that can come across as clingy or just plain annoying sometimes XD
+1 yBecause girls have been convinced by the media that they need a good looking man to be worth anything and that the only good men are good looking, and that fat ugly and even average men are no good. Look at TV, the good husbands are always good looking dudes who can do everything, while the bad husbands (from shows like king of queens, everyone loves raymond, family guy, simpsons) are usually fat, ugly and stupid, or at best average. This screws up reality. Good men aren't necessarily good looking and vice versa, but because of the media women and men's perceptions are screwed up. I mean I one time went on a date and I told a stupid joke and the girl was like "jeez I thought fat man were supposed to have better sense of humor". Also girls do this because they want to improve people. They want the hot bad boy who doesn't follow any rules until he settles down with her. Then the girl tries to tame him and it makes her feel worth something. Unfortunately, a lot of those hot jerks breakup with them or cheat.
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I'm a messy fat ass, which makes me FAR from perfect, and yet I ALSO understand what creates attraction in a woman's body.
Learn how to make a woman FEEL (excited, curious, suspicious, angry, sad, then happy and glad) and you'll have all the women you want in your life.
~ Robby
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Asker+1 yThank you. How can I learn to make women feel things? In my experience girls judge guys from the first second and won't give him a chance if they're not attracted.
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Here's the rule: once she has an impression of you it's all over. She'll either be curious to learn more or she won't. Attraction isn't a choice, so there's no changing how she feels without significant efforts.
So the key is to create the best impression before she's turned off, and that starts the second she see's you, NOT the second she talks to you.
So if she sees you walk into the room and you walk with bad posture, poor body language, or with a negative attitude, then you're screwed. - +1 y
Instead you need to enter every room like it's your house, with a smile, and a little curious about who's worth talking to. Be friendly with everyone else you chat with, because women see this from a distance.
Also, here's something I wrote about attraction that might give you some ideas: https://www.fullofhateandreadytodate.com/blog/how-to-create-attraction-in-a-woman/
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314 opinions shared on Girl's Behavior topic. Perfect? No, we don't look for perfection, but we do have to figure out if 1) you are just trying to hookup for sex and 2) if you are the kind of guy we want to date. I, for example, don't like dating indecisive, hesitant guys who let life pass them by. I want to date a take-charge guy, someone who is like me. Nothing wrong with that. And, I have to be able to figure out if you are like that. If you aren't I don't want to date you. Body language, walk, the words you use, they paint a picture. Decisive go-getters have a certain look, passive, hesitant guys have another. It matters.
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Asker+1 yThanks, your answer is very reasonable. I don't get at all why girls presume guys only want sex, it kind of makes me angry. It's almost unfair that guys have to be "pre-screened" for the player lifestyle--even good guys who want a relationship have to be subject to that scrutiny--but I'll let it go.
Can you describe in more detail the different "looks"?- +1 y
So many guys, even supposedly good guys, are out for a hookup. You don't even have to be a player to qualify. It makes girls angry. So many guys act all nice and thoughtful and then a date or two later the girl has sex with him and finds out the truth. Those posts are all over this website.
I cannot describe the "looks" well in a few paragraphs on this site. Some guys clearly put off signs of lack of confidence, others are too full of themselves.
Asker+1 yWell, I'm not the type who's out looking for a hookup. I want a relationship with a nice girl. So I wouldn't like to be lumped together with the guys who only do want a hookup. I'm not saying you're doing that--just saying it's unfair for most girls to put a really good guy, who wants more than sex, through that kind of scrutiny. Men aren't animals--at least not all of us. And oh, by "looks" I thought you meant a certain style of behavior and expression, e.g., dress, the way they speak, etc
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Well, when a girl meets a guy, she has NO idea what he is about. I am pretty good at reading people and I have definitely had trouble figuring a guy's intentions out at times. Blame it on the insincere players that try to pretend they are nice guys. Just like cute, sexy dressing girls are not all looking for random hookups, I realize not all guys dressed or acting a certain way or either, but it's hard to tell.
+1 yLet me start off by saying I think men are far more superficial than women are, they won't even talk to a girl if she isn't hot enough for him to want to sleep with. That said, I don't know a single girl that expects her boyfriend to be perfect, nor do I know a man who could possibly always say or do things exactly the right way. Quirks are interesting and what make us all human. I would never want a man who said or did everything I wanted anyway, how boring is that? I think you've been hanging out with the wrong girls.
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Asker+1 yThanks a lot. And your first sentence is very untrue; not all men are dogs. I don't have to want to sleep with a girl just to make friendly conversation.
+1 yFrom my observation, (pretty much talking about my feelings, and what I've seen other females do, not trying to stereotype) girls are terrified of rejection.. If we go after a guy and he rejects us, we feel like a total whore(even when no sex is involved). Are treated like a total whore by our peers for even trying, the only way to get our confidence back up is to raise our standards so high that no one will ever come along who is good enough.. and the ones who are very down on our luck and have like no self confidence at all, unfortunately drag others down with us. Particularly those who we would secretly give a chance to if they would just prove to us they would care and not dump us and make us feel worse - we just point out their flaws to make us feel better about ours, and move on. It's cruel.
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Asker+1 yGood observations--it's really unfair to honest, simple people.
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Yes it is unfair. I would consider myself overly-analytical, but at the same time, I use my observations to better my own behavior. Accidentally hurting people through my own insecurities is painful to me, because I'm also very empathetic, and is also something I am very proud to say I have never done (to my knowledge) ^_^
Asker+1 yWell that's good : ) Stay that way.
I think this is more about your experience - you feel that unless you meet some unattainable level of perfection, you won't find someone to date you. However, that's not the case at all. Every individual has some form of standard that they set for their mates. Few demand perfection, and those that do rarely end up happy (or even find relationships).
Being 'shy' or 'awkward' does not make you undateable to women. Not in the least. It only affects your chances with a certain kind of woman. Perhaps it is your sense of self defeat that is to blame. After all, if you don't believe you can get a date, or can meet someones expectations, why should they?01 Reply
Asker+1 yYou make some good points here. 2 questions for you:
1) How am I supposed to believe I can get a date? Especially if I don't think anything about me is attractive.
2) You say being "shy" only affects my chances with a certain "kind" of women--but aren't the majority of women turned OFF by shy guys?
i guess it's their way of expecting things for themselves. in that case, don't go with these girls.
girlfriends should be proactive, like willing to improve both parties. like being together is the best part of your day/life.
but on the flip side, this also applies to men expecting things from women.
you're generalizing. there different people wanting different things. these types of people, perfectionst, apply to both sexes and deep down, they actually don't know what they want, so move on. you'll eventually meet an awesome person.01 Reply
Asker+1 yThanks for being balanced and insightful : )
Anonymous(30-35)+1 yIt kind of depends on the girl, but there are a few reasons. Some want a fairytale romance, and they want the guy to always know what they're thinking, and do anything they want for them. I know I personally see some of my female friends with guys who make them so happy, and they seem perfect. Girls figure that if they APPEAR perfect then they are, and they want a guy who will make them happy like that. Other girls are just afraid of getting hurt. Maybe some of them were in bad relationships before, people told them they deserved better, and now they realize that they do. Now they think that they deserve the perfect guy, and believe that he's out there. Not all girls think this. A lot are willing to be happy with a guy, flaws and all.
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Asker+1 yHow do you think personally? And in your opinion, how many girls will take a good yet imperfect guy? Where am I more likely to meet them?
Opinion Owner+1 yIf I am interested in a guy, I'll think his flaws are cute. Even though I think every girl deserves a good guy, I also think that every girl needs to accept the fact that no one is perfect, and if she's with a guy who is accepting her flaws, she needs to accept his too. I can't say exactly how many, but most girls who are mature can accept an imperfect guy. Eventually, all girls will realize that she's never going to fine the PERFECT guy.
+1 yBeing attracted to someone doesn't depend on their looks... It's how that person makes you feel. If he can inspire me to be a better person, see nothing but good in others and respects his family, my family, his friends, my friends, me and himself. He is perfection..
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Asker+1 yThanks a lot. But if you're not attracted to him from the start and don't give him a chance, which most girls don't give me, he'll never get to show that side of himself.
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If your trying to be someone your not in the beginning and don't just be yourself, she might only be attracted to you when you were being someone your not... If she doesn't like you for you, then she isn't worth your time.
What attracts me is that he respects me and himself, respect turns into appreciation, appreciation, turns into like, like turns to love. You don't have to agree with me. But you can just carry that negative attitude some more and stick to not understanding woman then. Up to U
Asker+1 yAll I'm saying is that girls judge guys by the way they look, talk, etc. Honestly you're telling me if you don't find a guy physically attractive you'll give him a chance? How can he get a chance to even respect you (first step right?) if you will never date him?
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Your question was asking why woman can be so demanding... I'm telling you looks are not everything. You see ugly guys with hot girls all the time. Why? because they are real with the girls, not fake, strong & confident. That is what attracts woman. The ones that won't date you... that's another story. Maybe ur attracted to judgemental girls. I say who are we to judge others? If she is never gonna give you a chance, what are you gonna do work out lots to get her? So she can judge you some more.
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It's all about understanding women and the right approach. You never get a second chance to make a first impression.
But hey if you want to date someone that sounds shallow and judges people on looks. That's all on you, buddy. Just don't assume that all girls think like this.
Sometimes you can't blame girls in general, maybe it's the type of girls you're seeking. the type that have have high standards and expectations, usually girls who are wanted by many men take advantage of the fact that they are highly wanted! So maybe seek girls who are more down to earth and don't have such high standards, because I can pretty much assure that not all girls are so hard to impress!
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Asker+1 yWell, thanks, I know there are down-to-earth girls out there, but where do I find them : P
Here's the real truth: Women are brought up and raised as a child on Disney movies and Barbie. As they get alittle older comes the next brainwashing of bad television like the Kardashians for example, which teaches them to be superficial, follow the crowd and be ordinary instead of unique. Not everyone is like this but most are (men and women). Looks come first if you are like this. If anyone has ever spent enough time with someone though, we all know that means nothing in the long run. People grow on you and your looks fade st 30-35. If women would give guys more of a chance than 1 or 2 dates and have an open mind, they would see that first impressions aren't actually getting to know if someone and pre judging the walk the walk and talk the talk with body language, tonality, eye contacts etc. What you put out into the world cones back to you ladies. So when you're 30 with 5 cats looking back in regret to all the guys you gave the cold shoulder, you're there because of you.
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+1 ywe don't lol. there's no such thing as perfect. obviously we wanna actually be really interested in the guy before we start dating them, but they don't have to be "the perfect guy". so we don't even do that at all! not suure what your talking about lol. goooodluck!
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Asker+1 yWell, what do you mean by "really interested" ? If you're not "really interested" in the guy at the start, he'll never get the first date! That's exactly what I'm talking about!!!
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A first date sure, cause that's when you find out if yourr really interested in him or not.
Asker+1 yOK, I see...so you wouldn't turn a guy down if he asked you out?
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Probably not, its just a date its not like we're getting marriesd ya know? lol
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Married
Asker+1 yOK, I can live with that : )
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All I ask for from a guy is simple.
Respect
Commitment
Trustworthiness
Sense of humor
I could care less about looks, style, or him being mr perfect.
Body language is a key factor, that being said I wouldn't not be interested in a guy because he wasn't using the right body language. It takes time to get to know someone and be comfortable with them. As for the right words I am one of the most tongue tied, openly honest people there are and I rarely have the right words to say.01 Reply- +1 y
Yeah right. I'm betting if a nice sweet guy who was nervous and weighed 400 lbs you'd turn him down faster than the speed of light. Same with guys. At least some of us admit were shallow
+1 ySome girls just have expectations of the their dream guy and they don't realize that there's no such things as a perfect guy.
Most of the girls who have ridiculous expectations will often find themselves:
A)lonely
B)single
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Anonymous(30-35)+1 yguys ain't going to settle for no dog unless she's a bash and dash. why should girls settle for any less. no one wants to be seen in public with a tramp to be honest. that doesn't mean you have to look like christiano ronaldo it just mean you look the best you can. the girl makes an effort why can't a guys. but after a little while the whole look thing dies down if your truly suited you would last if not then it was just an eye candy relationship. so you put it down to life experience x.x
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Asker+1 yBoth girls and guys are supposed to make the effort, OF COURSE, but when some guys make the effort, sometimes it's still never enough. And no, it's not all about looks, but in the beginning it is.
Anonymous(30-35)+1 ybecause we want the perfect man to protect us.. we know you have flaws that will come out later and we will learn to love you for them.. but would you be attracted to a girl if you knew that she had like 10 flaws that drove you crazy right off the bat?
such as
bad breath
one eye green one eye blue
amessed up teeth
weird feet
piercings in unknown places
so with that said you make the call.. how would you feel..01 Reply
Asker+1 yOK...the bad breath and piercings would be turn-offs for me (can't stand bad smells and I'm not into piercings), but the other things aren't. The different-color eyes would be kind of cute actually, haha. Point is, I DON'T LOOK FOR PERFECTION IN GIRLS. I like to see a person's imperfections and if they have a great personality I'm more than willing to embrace them. but girls seem to want perfection in guys.
Anonymous(36-45)+1 yNot all girls do.
If you're interested in the near perfect looking girls with lots of confidence, the ones who get a lot of attention and have lots of guy options, yeah they are going to have higher standards. They will expect you to be pretty good looking, be confident and social. If you're not that guy, perhaps you should not demand perfection from girls and go for girls who aren't in that high of demand from guys. If someone has a lot of options, there standards will usually be higher.01 Reply
Asker+1 yNo, I'm not looking for perfect girls, of course not--I would never want to date the "hottest" girl who gets all the attention. But even average girls reject me, so I have no options. Are you telling me I only deserve someone who I'm not physically attracted to at all?
Anonymous(36-45)+1 yEveryone has expectations of their dream guy/girl. Girls look at guys in movies and on t.v. and expect that to be how guys are in real life. However, it takes living in the real world to realize that guys aren't really like that. It's the same with guys who expect every girl to have a body like a model in Playboy magazine. People expect perfection in a boyfriend/girlfriend because we are imperfect ourselves and hope our partner will counteract that.
Most of us don't expect every guy to have the whole package (those that do are idealistic), but we at least want them to try. And by try I mean: don't insult us (and if you compliment us make sure it's not too forward/creepy), look good as in be clean and well groomed (being good-looking helps, but hygiene is more important), and last try to look at things from our point of view (after all, girls feel just as awkward as guys do when confronting the opposite sex). Hope this helps you!11 Reply- +1 y
What guy expects every girl to have a body like a model? Do you actually believe there is someone out there who is perfect?
+1 yGuys demand perfection;and it's all superficial perfection for guys.Perfect breasts,perfect waist,perfect butt,perfect skin,perfect hair,perfect make-up
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Asker+1 yHahaha, this is so incredibly untrue...I don't know what kind of "guys" you've been dealing with, but the image of perfection you're telling me about almost makes me want to puke : )
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Uh sure,whatever.
Asker+1 yYup, whatever : )
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+1 yI just want a guy who will be my best friend and lover. No need for perfection, because it simply doesn't exsist and I want a man with flaws anyways. Perfection is boring.
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Asker+1 yI'm glad you think so, I wish more girls did. : )
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Thanks! :D
+1 yTo overcompensate for their own insecurities? I'm not sure... We're not all like that, though! I just want a nice guy, who gives me reason to admire him in more way than one... I'm not demanding perfection. I'm only human, after all!
00 ReplyWhy do some men have to wan't the same from women? Why? Well, because it's natural and instinct to do so. And don't generalise. Not every girl wan't that.
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+1 yEvery person and if you want to be specific, girl has a different definition of what "perfect" is for them
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Asker+1 yOK, that's reasonable. But why are most girls unwilling to settle for a little bit less than their personal idea of perfect?
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Settle? I'm sorry but I am not willing to settle.. once we find the right one we know. There is one right person for everyone. I think, no offense, you are asking this question because your bitter about women, if that's true it sucks but move on and get over it because you will find someone
Asker+1 yWell if every guy rejected you and your girl-friends had no trouble, wouldn't you feel a little bitter too? Like I've said...not ALL girls are like this but it seems that most are. I'm not willing to settle either, but that doesn't mean I won't give a girl a chance. I don't look for perfection in girls, why do they have to look for it in guys?
Anonymous(36-45)+1 ybecause they are evil bitches, I guess that's our punishment for suffering, after all, they have to endure child-birth, so we might as well endure their sh*t, mental and verbal tests.
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Asker+1 yOk, well, if one will ever give me a chance.
+1 yGuys are all too guilty of this too. I guess it human nature.
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Asker+1 yIt is, I agree with you. Guys are definitely guilty sometimes. But I'd happily date a flawed girl, with girls it seems like their guy has to have the "right" flaws (for example, if he's shy, then he's unattractive, but if he's a bad boy/player, girls are all over him).
+1 ywe don't demand perfection. I do want a guy who is honest and not a jerk.
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Asker+1 yBut if he's honest, not a jerk, and you're not attracted to him, would you still really date him?
+1 ywell they have more to lose, I don't blame them in a way
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Asker+1 yWhat do you mean?
Anonymous(36-45)+1 yI don't know who you've been dating, but the last thing I want is a perfect guy. The little mistakes and flaws is what makes him interesting
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Don't know why this is a thumbs down, but I'm the same way with women. However, think about it this way, how can we say that his mistakes and flaws prevent him from being perfect. Why can't we say that those flaws are what make him perfect. What defines perfect? To another girl he's reached the pinnacle of inperfection. But maybe in your eyes, his flaws are so amazing and interesting that it is a perfect match. Get what I am saying?
hah, the guys I've dated have been no where near perfect, but then again its imperfection I like
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Anonymous(30-35)+1 yBecause we want substance when most guys appear to be shallow and completely see-through. We want to know that he has a brain and isn't a player.
00 Reply451 opinions shared on Girl's Behavior topic. They do? Well this is news to my ears.
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Asker+1 yYeah, it honestly seems like they do. If a guy doesn't have the right look, the right confidence and the right words, he doesn't stand a chance.
because we want to be happy too...
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+1 ysimple answer is, girls are shallow
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Asker+1 yYeah but it leaves a guy like me frustrated...how come some guys are "perfect" enough to get a girl and I'm not?
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Check out evolution theory
we don't
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Asker+1 yWell not all of you, but it seems like most of you do
Asker+1 yYou and your friends might not be like that, but I've found that if a guy doesn't approach a girl with exactly the right words, walk and talk the right way -- oh and if he's not "cute" as well -- he doesn't stand a chance. Not all girls are like this but it seems like most are.
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+1 yBecause they're shallow
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+1 yThey don't...
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Asker+1 yMost of them do...
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I've never had a single girl expect me to be perfect....
Asker+1 yMaybe because you have the right look, right confidence, and know the right words to speak...I don't have those things, so girls don't accept me at all. I can't even get a date
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Stop viewing girls as potential girlfriends, it makes them feel uncomfortable.. once you start relaxing around girls, you'll find they are pretty accepting...
Asker+1 yI follow the logic, good advice, but here's the thing--you have to see some girl, at some point, as a potential girlfriend if you WANT a girlfriend, right?
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Yea, but by that time, you would have got to known her pretty well, and she will feel comfortable around you.
Asker+1 yBut if I know her too well, and then I ask her out, I'll hear "let's just be friends."
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Yea, that will happen a lot lol...
Asker+1 yBut, didn't you say you're successful with girls?
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I never said that... Unless you look like brad pit, you're going to get turn down many.. many times.. unless you are lucky...
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