Is #MeToo a frantic witch hunt against men?

[Anonymous]

"#MeToo and #Timesup is another example of female mass histeria, like the Salem witch trials. It is normalizing accusations against men into the female hivemind groupthink. It is dangerous to allow this in an environment of no consequences for false aqusations."

a male columnist wrote. what do you think? has this been derailed as a straight up compulsive lying crusade against men? or all stories are honest?

totally legit

it gets me thinking

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+1 y

by the way many cases have been reported where women were proven by the court to be lying or confessed they did, and men being sentenced to many unfair years of imprisonment. from students destroying their teachers' career and life to any kind of environments. thats what makes me a sceptic.

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+1 y

just a mere sample of false accusation stories
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RAS8MSlDzxo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bwh9vv93pPE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SktC9w_vmxg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vUf8YKObHrI

[LesterJester]

It doesn't get me thinking because I know that is exactly what it is about these days. No due process, just accuse someone, get your friends to make stories and then suddenly the guy is suspended or loses their job because 15 years ago he and the girl were drunk at a frat party and kissed.

The movement had good intentions at the start and many cases were no doubt true, but it has, as I expected, spiralled out of control and now any female and their dog can make any claim they want if they have a bone to pick and within hours, that guy's life is ruined. They lose their job, their families are torn apart, the public outcasts them... All before any legal actions have been taken and accusations have been proven in a court of law.

This isn't anything new either. There have been spats of these things happening in the 90's and early 2000's but it was from women going through the legal system and using the he said she said battle where courts would sympathize with the women and send the guy to jail. Many cases were true, many cases were false, yet some of those that were later found to be false claims weren't determined that until a while after the guy was tossed in jail.

Now we have a whole new and much easier way of ruining a guy's life and all you need to do is use social media, use a hashtag and bypass the legal system all together.

There is nothing right about these movements.

[GreedyGiver651]

It's not. With any movement or cultural challenge, there are a few people who will use it as an excuse to do evil things. It has been in all kinds of situations: religions, political movements, racial movements, anti war protests etc. It does not reflect on the entire thing. For example, if I go do some terrible thing in the name of Christianity like violence, should it reflect on the entire religion? No, because I'm athiest and the religion doesn't support what I did. So if a few people use the #MeToo campaign to manipulate and hurt others, it's on them alone, nor the entire movement. Hell, I had to post #MeToo myself. So no, it's not a frantic witch hunt.

[Anonymous]

I think there are faults withing these types of movements but they'll always be a fault in everything. But to label the WHOLE movement as something created by women to just attack males is a bit exaggerated, because if we are to look at the things that were true and how many times those occured compared to the false accusations, you can see there is a problem. Also the fact that this male columnist lables this actual problem as hysteria feeds into the thinking that women just do things because they're overly emotional.
Feminism in itself is sometimes regarded as women just being excessive but it really is just fighting for a right and equality. However, sometimes it's forgotten that men also go through similar experiences, but because it's in a smaller margin, it's not as widely paid attention to. And those that are falsely accused should gain compensation and the women should receive the requiered consequences. But you cannot tell someone who is in an actual problem that they just do it for pity because they are joining a movement that is bigger than them to try and find a voice.

[MlleCake]

Yes, there are sometimes false accusations. They appear to be about 2-8% of all accusations brought to police.

Most women I know who participated in #metoo chose not to name anyone, especially since most of them had been harassed or abused by so many different people in different ways that they wouldn't know where to begin.

The point of this movement has been to show people how prevalent the problem is without anyone needing to take it to the police, or name the aggressor or any of that - just to say, yeah, this happened to me too.

Some people have also chosen this as the time to name and shame. I chose not to. They have their reasons. But it's not like Police are out there drumming up women to make complaints. This is an individual choice on the part of those women. No one is putting them up to it.

Why do you assume any of them have been lying?

[Féminité284]

I think #MeToo is a great movement, ESPECIALLY since it has shed light on men who are victims of harassment or assault. AND that women can be perpetrators as well. It's illustrating how widespread the problem is and showing the extent to which it permeates. Of course, there's always a too far--hurling accusations and hoping they stick is obviously too far. But I do not think that the movements are meant to demonize men. It outlines what is constituted as harassment, what is constituted as assault, and shows that it does happen and that's the reality of the situation. The legal system IS flawed with handling so many cases--sometimes by refusing to investigate the accused's side and sometimes by blaming the victim. There's good and bad inside every movement, this one is no exception.

[Astoriana]

Honestly, I think most stories are probably honest. No one is getting anything from making allegations.

Well, I mean, Kevin Spacey got fired. But it made more sense to have Christopher Plummer in that role anyway.

And in my short career, I can honestly say that I’ve been sexually harassed in basically every job that I’ve had.

So I think that it’s legitimate.

[Astoriana]

Source for your update?

[Astoriana]

Yeah, YouTube videos are anecdotal evidence at best. I want some hard data from a governmental institution.

[Asker]

the studies talked about 8-10% false accusations on average. didn't manage to find the studies again though. but if one in 10 men have their lives destroyed for no reason its still inhuman.

[Astoriana]

Honey, that’s a misapplication of statistics if I’ve ever seen it.

8-10% of rape allegations are false. That’s not the same as saying 8-10% of men are rapists or whatever you’ve twisted it into.

Very few sex crimes are even reported. So, it’s not going to be 1 in 10 men getting their lives ruined. Keep your panties on.

[Asker]

thats what i meant. accused men. but it goes beyond the police reports. some are accused without a court, just to lose their job or for revenge by an ex. some times societal marginalisation and hatred is even worse than legal punishment.

[Astoriana]

That’s definitely a lot more rare than you think it is. Do you have any other fake stats to pull out of your arse?

[Asker]

you are too defensive, have you done it to a man? so if other women's lifes were being destroyed wouldn't you be passionate to support them? when it happens to our brothers and fathers and sons why are you a sceptic? i've seen so many cases that i'm a sceptic in the opposite sense. sceptic against the accusations.

[Astoriana]

You still have yet to produce real numbers. Y’all seem to be more defensive.

Are you really a man? Is that why you think that all women are evil rape accusers?

[Asker]

never said that. i never accused anyone. and have been catcalled a million times. and groped twice in the metro. but if some bitch unfairly destroyed my brother's life i'd kick her ass. destroying lives is not a small thing.

[Astoriana]

Let’s look at Brock Turner for an example:

Has his life actually been ruined? His bitch ass spent 3 months in jail - AND HE WAS CAUGHT IN THE ACT BY TWO (2) WITNESSES.

Since he’s been released, he’s been given a position at his rich daddy’s company. Armed guards, probably.

The only real consequence he has faced is never being able to swim competitively again.

Is his life more difficult now? Yes. But it’s certainly not ruined.

Especially because it takes a song and a dance and a skywriter, seventeen witnesses and a blessing from Abraham Lincoln to be believed as a victim.

Try to report a sex crime to the police. You don’t get believed in the slightest.

[Asker]

true, i get what you mean. but those who are wrongfully accused cannot even walk in the park and parents looking at them with suspicion and pulling their kids away. social marginalisation and prejudice is some times worse than legal punishment. there is a nice norwegian movie about that with a teacher and a girl that wrongfully accused him.

[Astoriana]

If the conviction is overturned, they do.

If the case is dropped by the prosecutor, the do.

If charges are never laid, they do.

[hellionthesagereborn]

It absolutely is a witch hunt. Its to garner attention, get pity, get money etc. According to one of the only studies done on the subject about 40% of all sexual harassment/rape allegations are provably false. That's PROVABLLY false, so who knows how many are not provable but still false. The fact is you look at Hollywood and these people are friends with those that are being outed and now they act surprised. Look at Oprah she was friends with Wienstein, even admitted to knowing of the rumors yet then acts surprised when he is caught and then plays victim? Then all these other women have come out and claimed to be victims but have also been proven to be lying, some I think are even using it to cover up the fact that they where more then happy to use the casting couch and sex to further their careers. Don't get me wrong, some times it is true, but the problem is when women accuse men of anything really but especially of sexual harassment and rape, people just take their word for it and the man is branded guilty, no matter if their is no evidence for it or not.

[GreedyGiver651]

Not true, also. You say 40% are probably false, so out of that 40% maybe 75% are false. So out of the total that's about 25-30% (math isn't my strong suit). While I don't believe this study without sources, are you saying that because about this many are false, the whole thing is wrong? Why about the ones that aren't false, on top of that, the campaign isn't just about individuals, ts about the ones who see it and for one reason or another can't say #MeToo because it will harm them. Or about awareness of how big of a problem it is. Every cause has people who use it wrong, from religion to race to gender to class. Everything can be twisted, in this case, the message is important and the majority is true.

[hellionthesagereborn]

@GreedyGiver651 It is true. Women have already been called out for this, the woman who claimed that oliver stone made her degrade herself even though he stated he did not and his female casting director who was their stated he never did those things, or the woman who claimed that Anis anasari raped her one night but fully admitted that everything was consentual and she just regretted it after the fact. This is quite obvious that this is a full fledge with hunt at this point (the problem of a victim culture). If 40% of all accusations are false that means, 40% are false, not 75% or 25%. So out of 100% of the accusations statistically 40% are false so nearly half of them and that's because we refuse to acknowledge that women can be scummy people to and just go and believe them without evidence even though we would never do that for literally any other accusation or crime.

[GreedyGiver651]

You said probably false. Not certainly false. Also, you are stating case by case of the number you already gave. Ignoring the whole point of the movement and its importance plus you saud he accused him, "he stated he did not" and so did another male. If I hurt someone and so "no I didn't" my word should not be taken at face value. You are wearing blinders focusing on only the outliers and negative.

[hellionthesagereborn]

@GreedyGiver651 Also where are you coming to the conclusion that I said all of its false? I stated some where true, they knew for years that Harvey Weinstein was doing these things. Also again, I stated statistically about (a little over) 40% are statistically going to be false, that would then mean that statistically about half are going to be true. So clearly I am not saying all of it is wrong. Why would you make this a binary black and white issue? Clearly some are true but many are not and without evidence or some kind of rational we shouldn't be destroying men's lives just because a woman said something happened but she can't be bothered to provide evidence for it. I mean you refuse to believe my statistic without a source but your going to believe all of these accusations without evidence? Doesn't that sound a little hypocritical to you?
www.ipt-forensics.com/journal/volume6/j6_2_4.htm
www.mediaradar.org/mcdowell_kanin_credible.php

[hellionthesagereborn]

@GreedyGiver651 Also claiming its a big problem would require that we have evidence that its a big problem, which we don't have because all we have are allegations made without evidence 30 years after the fact by people who want to stay anonyomous. That's not reliable data. Further more all of these reports have been from Hollywood which is a tiny population, also this tiny population is the group that is acting like its this great and grand thing as they virtue signal even as they fully admitted they knew what was happening (as Oprah did and Meryl Streep did). The fact is its primarily a sham. A few bad people got what they had coming, but that's not what this is about anymore and pretending it is when all data suggests otherwise, to claim its mostly true even though you have absolutely no evidence to support that claim, is simply wrong from a moral and logical standpoint.

[GreedyGiver651]

Look at your original comment 40% PROBABLY false. So of that 40% only 75% are true in theory.

It's not a black and white issue, I never said it was. I don't accept all accusations without evidence. I've been a victim of being accused and a victim or being abused. I know both sides so with that in mind, it's an important movement that needs to happen.

[GreedyGiver651]

You said it's not a problem? Yet according to you. 60% it the accusations are true. Not just public ones but every person who joins the #MeToo movement. Like myself or friends. Look at the total numbers. Plus what news station is going to cover individual stories unless they are impactful, celebrities are impactful

[dropkicknj13]

He didn't say probably he said provably, meaning able to be proven. So 40% can be proven factually false, that leaves 60% to split between true and false but unprovable

[GreedyGiver651]

My mistake, I've never heard that term. I looked through the article and it's not proving anything. His sample sizes were small and the 40% is in a gray area. Which only meant rape, not sexual harassment which the #MeToo includes. So the study didn't prove anything, especially with the broad view of a few 100 leading to the whole #MeToo movement. Plus, I'd like to see how he talked to them, because he said they conffessed to making it up but under the right conditions people will back diwn on their statements. Especially one so controversial

[Oceania]

So what about the person (an actual huma being) who is being assaulted and needs help. What about her, your percentages and numbers can only say so much, people are being affected and although there are false accusations out there, it doesn't mean you can lable the whole system wrong. And just because the movement was on Hollywood's platform, it doesn't mean it's for only women in Hollywood. It just means a bigger step was taken in to showing the problem at hand and Hollywood is a large platform in order for it to be recognized. and the fact that men in Hollywood also helped support shows that it's not just some 'crazy women'. And yahh some people haven't spoken about it until now, no it's not for attention maybe some of them just never felt they could or found it safe to do so before and so the movement did it's purpose. It gave someone a voice to not also have to say me too some other day.

[GreedyGiver651]

Oceania pretty much said the same thing except added an actual emotion to it. I admire that but sadly in situations like this, chances are they will try to say it's a weakness or say you have a personal stake in it. Which should be okay but to some it discredits you. But I agree

[Oceania]

I guess I did. Yeah, I'll have to improve that🔨

[GreedyGiver651]

I wish you didn't have to. But fir right now that's the way to get points across

[Oceania]

Noted💫

[hellionthesagereborn]

@GreedyGiver651 Their where two studies and the sample size was all of the cases that whent through that city that involved rape. If anything that just hammers home how rare rape is doesn't it? I mean if the sample size is small then that means that's how many cases of rape that one CITY had plus this has been corroborated by other sources, so again, the sample size was significant in size when you take into account what was being studied. Also that is true it didn't take into account sexual "assault" which in many of the cases being described by the women themselves it was not assault but awkward flirting at best. Also it would also stand to reason that it would have a high rate of falsification because of the same exact reasons for rape, it is never questioned and its a good way to get revenge or play the victim.

[hellionthesagereborn]

@Oceania Yes what about the people being affected, like the men who are losing their families, their friends, their jobs/livelhoods because of false allegations? Or do they not matter? Of course they don't matter because plenty of women calling for believing women no matter the circumcstances have out right stated they don't care how many innocent men are hurt. Innocences/victim are not male exclusive, if a woman makes a claim she is not automatically an innocent person or a victim, its entirely possible that the man she is attacking is in fact innocent and is in fact a victim which is something this movement and you are not considering. They are not people in your eyes, if the woman says he did something then as far as the movement and from what I can gather you, are concerned he is guilty and his innocence in the matter is irrelevant. That's the problem with the movement. If you have evidence then fine bring it forward but data shows when a woman makes this claim 30 years after

[hellionthesagereborn]

@Oceania the fact she is almost certainly lying because generally they immediately go to the hospital and go to the police because they where a victim of a criminal act and they need help. Those who don't generally speaking are not victims which is why they wait so long because they are jumping onto a movement because they think they can get something out of it. I care about victims which doesn't mean women, it means victims men or women. That's the issue. You say it shows how big a problem it is but that means you have to assume that all these women are telling the truth. So then I have to ask why do you think all men are bad people and all women are perfect? Because that's the only way you can come to that conclusion is if you believe that women CANNOT LIE. So why do you think that women cannot lie, that they cannot be manipulative and exploitive? Why do you think those are traits only men have? Do you think we are not equals? Why do you think men are inferior to women?

[hellionthesagereborn]

@Oceania See the problem with your reasoning? You have to place women on a pedestal and believe that they are incapable of wrong doing in order to come to the conclusion that you have come to. I believe we are equals which means some people regardless of gender are good and others regardless of gender are bad. You don't think that way and that's the problem. Also you will notice that yes men support the movement which really makes you wonder how men can be so evil and bad in your eyes, considering that you refuse to even acknowledge that women can be as bad as men, yet still want justice? Also don't you find it interesting that women have also been accused of sexual harassment and rape yet have never suffered any consequence for it (hell amy schumer fully admitted to raping a man who was blacked out drunk and she was applauded for it), why men how have come out have not gotten the same support? strange isn't it? Its almost as if it had only one particular aim, and its not justice.

[hellionthesagereborn]

@GreedyGiver651 As for your comment on emotion, emotions don't matter. Facts matter. You feeling strongly that the world is flat isn't gong to change the fact that the world is most definitely spherical. Facts matter not emotions, that's why we don't just assume some one is guilty when some one says it, we don't act on feelings we base our reasoning on facts and information and what can be proved. That's why we have innocent until proven guilty not guilty if accused and also guilty regardless of what the evidence says. You want to talk about personal stakes? I've been raped have you? Been raped multiple times (abusive parents). Been starved and beaten. I was sexually harassed by girls through out my middle school and early highschool years.

[hellionthesagereborn]

@GreedyGiver651 So what? Does that impact evidence or statistics in any meaningful way? No, so it doesn't matter. I also survived a car crash when I didn't have my seatbelt on, does that mean seat belts don't save lives? Of course not, it means that was an exception

[GreedyGiver651]

You are contradicting yourself. First, I called out the study because you broadened it to the entire #MeToo from Two studies. So the statistics are bad like you just proved. You saud emotions don't matter yet you then told your personal story. And yeah I have, I was raped, neglected to the point I had to deed myself at age 7, I got harassed by men saying I was a "fag" in high school and was taken advantage of there. I've been falsely accused of it as well. I did not say there aren't any lies, in fact I addressed it. With any social movement comes those who corrupt it. So you completely contradicted all your points. Like I said, emotion is seen as a weakness and I'm sure others will see this and see your outburst clouding your judgment

[hellionthesagereborn]

@GreedyGiver651 No you didn't call out the studies, you said they where wrong. I showed they where not and they apply to rape, they also extend to rape accusations and would also fall under sexual harassment. So no, the statistics are not bad, again they did an entire city and the surrounding area from multiple police departments. That's a lot of data collected. Your the one who showed that you cannot grasp statistics when you came to the conclusion that 40% of rape accusations are provably false some how comes to be 75% of that but then some how being 25% over all. You admitted math was not your strong suit, and clearly it is not. Statisticaly over 40% of accusations made are provably false, these accusations being made by the #metoo campaign don't even have evidence to begin with ergo are most likely false. Are you even reading anything that is being said or are you just glossying over it?

[hellionthesagereborn]

@GreedyGiver651 Yes emotions don't matter, you tried to claim that because you have experienced something or other that it means you must be right, that's your argument. I pointed out I have also experienced these things and so by your rational what I am saying must be right. I then further explained that this is not how reason or logic work, it doesn't matter what you feel it matters what data says and data shows that these thigns are predominantly fabricated and are done so for attention or revenge or to extort money or cover up wrong doing. No one said feeling is a weakness, I said feelings do not dictate reality. Clearly you have no intention of actually reading anything I have written, so why bother arguing?

[GreedyGiver651]

Are you? I said the studies are not credible enough to make a blanket statement like 40% of all the accusations based on one study. Plus I said I thought the word was a typo and I corrected myself. Lastly you are picking and choosing your points, out of all my feedback you only responded with my statistics statement this time.

[GreedyGiver651]

No, again. I said in general, debates like this don't usually end in anyone's favor who uses emotion, like she did in her comment. I was referring to debates in general and I said its sad

[hellionthesagereborn]

@GreedyGiver651 I responded to all your points. You said one cannot make a so called "blanket" statement that 40% of all accusations, statistically speaking are false based upon research that shows 40% of accusations are false and I was pointing out that no you can, that's exactly what statstics are for. I never said all of them are lying which is what a blanket statement would be, I said statistically 40% are likely lying when you factor in the statistics and the fact that these accusers are providing no evidence of any kind to back up their statements because people like you immediately believe them regardless of the lack of evidence. Its actually ironic because you refuse to even listen to me when I provided you two different sources backing my claims (not one which is what you claimed I had) and you refuse to accept that as being evidence that we should not blindly believe a womans accusation simply because she happens to be a woman yet you are all for believing these

[hellionthesagereborn]

@GreedyGiver651 women who have not provided any evidence of any kind what so ever. Its really ironic. As for addressing your emotional argument, again, it is not sad that we don't go on emotions. That's moronically stupid. I feel like your wrong so we should just assume that you are? Of course not, you only support emotional arguments when they are used to back your personal view points, if it was an emotional argument from me or any one who disagreed with you it would be invalid, just as me presenting actual evidence which you have yet to do, is considered invalid by you (because you don't like what it says).

[Oceania]

Ofcourse the false accusations deserve their rights as well, so if they are falsely accused and it is known then the women should also receive the repercussions of their actions.

My point was that yoy are classifying the whole movement under people who just want money when it is actually beneficial to some, helping them out of their situations. I never at one point said women are incapable of lying and that it is a male trait.

Yeah, some victims go straight to report but some don't and some stay in the relationship because if they left it would be more dangerous so these types of platform help people who can't go and report straight away.

[Oceania]

That is not the problem because that is not what I think like or believe in because I do believe in all people getting what they deserve equally. The only reason my prior point was based on women is because you said women just use the platform to only get money.

No I do not find it interesting that men get raped and no one takes it into account. I find it wrong and that they should also get their justice from platforms such as these. Although there's things that are false for both males and females, the movement is an attempt at trying to fix a problem. And whether its on a platform or not, someone is going to lie it's just that because this is big we see the faults easier. But I do agree on the fact that SOME women may lie and men suffer and that, that should be fixed however the movement as a whole is not all a witchunt.

[hellionthesagereborn]

@Oceania How am I classifying the whole movement that way? Did I not point out that Harvey Weinstein was guilty, that we knew he was guilty as Hollywood (the same Hollywood that is now trying to destroy him) had known what he was doing for years and stood back and did nothing? Yes yes I did point that out however the Metoo movement as a whole is being pushed by people with no evidence talking about how something happened 30 years ago and quite frankly that is not a valid claim to make first and foremost because people who are assaulted and raped generally speaking report the crime because you know they where assaulted and raped. You don't report a theft thirty years later, you don't report an attempted murder against you thirty years after the fact so why would rape be different unless it never really happened? Evidence backs this. The overwhelming majority of what the "metoo" movement is is people who are being anonymous when they accuse a famous person (the majority of the time)

[hellionthesagereborn]

@Oceania of sexual harassment and or rape. That's not valid and it never will be, evidence should be given if your going to attempt to destroy a persons life and that's not what we are seeing. Their is no evidence being presented at all but people are still losing their jobs and reputations. Ergo yes the movement as a whole is a terrible movement because its not about justice its about playing victim and getting sympathy. Any one who comes forwards with evidence who is willing to face their accuser in the court of law should be taken seriously, but again that's not what is happening. Its a bunch of women who are staying anonymous with no evidence demanding someones life be ruined. Notice how the moment some one in public immediately gets destroyed for speaking out? Doesn't that seem a little odd to you? That some one says hey this seems to be getting out of hand, like Matt Damon who said we need to acknowledge the difference between rude behavior and actual rape which is not

[hellionthesagereborn]

@Oceania happening right now, people are trying to lump it all together and that's not right. What happened to him? Backlash that's what happened. When Seal finally stood up and called out Oprah on her speech, Oprah who had been friends with Weinstein for years and who by her own admission knew the rumors about him raping and sexually harassing women and using the casting couch did nothing but now suddenly she is against the behavior. What happened to him? Well with in 24 hours of him speaking out against Oprah some random mystery woman with no evidence then accused him of sexually harssing her. Neil Degrass Tyson was also accused of raping a woman, how long ago was it again? 30 years ago when they where supposedly going to the same college. Where was her evidence? None, she didn't have any. This is a witch hunt plane and simple. If you speak out you are targeted, this is not justice.

[hellionthesagereborn]

@Oceania The fact that you are calling for outright believing the accuser without due process and without evidence shows with absolute certainty that this is a witch hunt and that you personally do not care about justice nor the men who are being attacked unjustly. Do not pretend like this is a "good" movement when you allow for innocent people to be destroyed simply because they happen to be well known and some woman wants pity, a career boost, to cover her own ass for the things she either participated in or overlooked, or money from extorting these men. You don't care about justice and the movement does not care about justice plain and simple. As for the remark about "relationships" these are not spousal accusations first and foremost secondly that is a bullshit argument. First and foremost because this is not spousal but also because statistically men are as likely to be victims of rape by women as women are to be by men.

[hellionthesagereborn]

@Oceania Men are as likely to be abused by women as women are by men, this is all been shown statistically. Where are the men? Where are the men who called out their abuse? Are they being talked about? Nope. So why is it so one sided? Because one no one gives a damn about men, again as you have shown if you need to destroy the lives of innocent men then that's perfectly fine with you and fine with the movement (as stated by people who are part of the #metoo movement, women have literally stated this). Two its because men are not pandered to when they play victim so they have no incentive to lie about it like women do, no one gives a damn when they are a real victim let alone a fake one. Women on the other hand demand that we always believe women no matter what which allows for bad women to exploit societies tendency to pander to women to get what they want. This is what we are seeing right now.

[GreedyGiver651]

Nobody is saying you automatically believe someone who accuses someone else. You say the majority are anon people who accuse celebrities, that's not true. They get the most media attention because, like I said, they make the biggest impact. You said the wholw thing is wrong in your original comment "it is absolutely a which hunt". I've already said that the people who put men down the most are other men. From personal experience and societal norms I can tell you that. You keep repeating your same points of men not getting enough attention for it and how people have to automatically believe any woman who makes an accusation and neither of those are true, unless they are taken as cause and effect. Men don't get the same attention. Okay, but If you look at the fact men are hated by men when they speak out it makes sejse

[hellionthesagereborn]

@Oceania So as I stated some are telling the truth which I stated right from the beginning so you claiming that I was saying all women is factually incorrect. Two, you claim to care yet you have not called out this movement that is made predominantly by women with no evidence accusing random men 30 years after the fact even though statistical data shows that about half the accusations made are usually false in general and specifically points out that when its done where the woman in question did not herself report the rape or waited 30 years to do it it is almost always a lie which is the vast majority of the claims of these women. You ignored all of that you ignored the fact that again, men are being destroyed by this who have done no wrong and women are GLAD. :https://twitchy. com/brettt-3136/2017/11/21/teen-vogue-columnist-not-at-all-concerned-about-innocent-men-and-false-harassment-allegations/
qz.com/.../

[GreedyGiver651]

Rude behavior and sexual harassment are unfortunately used as an excuse. They blur lines a lot. Plus I hope you know me too isn't strictly referring to rape, it's about sexual harassment in general

[GreedyGiver651]

She addresses that it's not okay that innocent men are being hurt by this. I addressed it as well as someone who has been accused. It still needs to happen, no movement or change is perfect but overall this needs to happen

[hellionthesagereborn]

@Oceania This has been going on for a long time now, women accuse a man his life is destroyed and when he is proven innocent. . . nothing changes he is still seen as guilty. When the rolling stones did a piece on a supposed gang rape of a college girl they didn't bother looking for facts or corroborating the story, they just took her at face value. It destroyed the lives of many young men who where suspended from school who had bricks thrown through their windows. Of course it was shown to be entirely fabricated and not one, not one thing she said was provable. So of course nothing happened to her, these young men where not compensated and what did women say? That you still have to believe the "victim" because she might be telling the truth at some point. Notice that the word victim is now synonymous with woman? In fact one woman even stated she was glad these innocent men suffered because it made them "understand" what "women" went through

[GreedyGiver651]

Did you actually read the qz article? Because it said right in there. Innocent men are rarely accused. Like 2-10%. Did you see that? You completely contradicted your argument

[hellionthesagereborn]

@Oceania even though most women will never experience this and men experience these things to but because they are men women refuse to even listen: thegoldwater.com/.../9759-Male-Victim-Erasure-and-Backlash-in-MeToo-Campaign
and when men, like Matt Damon bring up the fact that this is comparing rudeness to rape as being one and the same, they are destroyed by it. When men voice their concern that men are having their lives destroyed left and right and they are concerned that they will be next even though they didn't do anything wrong they are told they are being selfish: www.pantagraph.com/.../...5-91d0-adccf0ad7bde.html
This is not about empowerment, this is not about justice, this is about self pity, self victimization and the social status and benefits that come with it. Nothing more.

[GreedyGiver651]

You keep bringing up individual stories. Which the number of stories or real accusations outnumber them 9to1. The article went on to debate that number but gave no provable study back.

[hellionthesagereborn]

@GreedyGiver651 I already given you all the statistics from multiple studies so that's not even a valid argument. I then went to point out the actions of people when some one points out that things are getting out of hand as examples to help back my statistics which you keep saying are wrong but have provided no evidence for what so ever. As for your claim of 9 to one do you have evidence for that? Of course not because you don't have any evidence backing anything you have said at any point in time. So do both of us a favor and stop arguing because you have nothing to argue with, its like fighting a war with no bullets, your just wasting your time and showing how weak your position is.

[GreedyGiver651]

The #MeToo isn't exclusively about rape, it's sexual harassment. You keep trying to prove the difference by talking about a celebrity saying it's different.

[GreedyGiver651]

I havnt given any numbers because I've been busy debunking yours. Your studies are either from biased websites or are too small scale to spread the statistic to an entire movement. You adapt to every retort by changing words slightly or ignoring things like the fact. You said "it is absolutely a witch hunt" then saying you never condemned the whole thing.

[GreedyGiver651]

9 to one was from the qz article you posted

[Oceania]

I clearly stated that I understand that men are also victims of this issue and that those falsely accused should receive justice. I don't know what else I must say to show I didn't 'ignore' the point. My ending point is simply about how you ended "nothing more", you said you understand women and men and accuse me of not acknowledging the men but you fought for a point just to change it right at the end.
It went from, Yes some women have a problem to no, every women is instigating a witch hunt. I feel I've said all I've needed to say. Both genders deserve their rights, this movement in my opinion is a platform to voice however there will be faults in it too along with everything else in this world but we can't state that every single person who supports or uses the platform is on a witchunt against men especially if some men have used it too. That's all.

[hellionthesagereborn]

@Oceania Nothing more because if half of them are using it as an excuse to get back at people or cover their own actions then you cannot say its primarily for a good cause. Hence its a witch hunt and nothing more because #MeToo didn't come into the picture until AFTER all the people who we can prove did wrong where called out on it.

[hellionthesagereborn]

@Oceania Further more as I pointed out the men who also where sexually harassed are ignored, the ones who point out that they are being falsely accused or their are men are being falsely accused are attacked by these women for being "selfish" for also pointing out that they have suffered ergo it has nothing to do with equality or justice, again I gave links and evidence to show that this is what is happening. If you don't want to believe that or acknowledge that its up to you but that's what this movement is doing and so no I will not state that its for justice or a good cause when it very much isn't.

[silverqueen]

It started off as an honest movement. But of course it ended up being something that women took advantage of to berate and put men down. Every allegation needs to have evidence of actual assault and not just “He touched my butt when we were at a bar, drunk. Therefore he’s a sex offender.”

As for victims who can’t give evidence, this is also a problem that I wish i had answers to. But what saddens me is that true victims of the #MeToo movement will soon start to be ignored because of the exaggerated accusations of other dishonest people.

[Rainie_]

Its not a witch hunt UNLESS the "perpetrators" name has been stated. More than 90% of the #MeToo posts don't even mention a name and all they really want is to not bottle up what they have experienced and just try to find some kind of closure by getting support from others who have experienced the same thing because thats the only thing that they have going for them, because evidence is so hard to get and court isn't often an option.

It has also given a voice to men who have experienced sexual abuse and rape and allows them to see and feel that they're not alone and get support. Their voices and other real victims shouldn't be shut or disbelieved just because of a few bad apples that are taking advantage of this (and destroying it for everyone else).
I would say that the MeToo thing is not a bad thing at all and shouldn't necessarily need to be questioned UNLESS they have stated a name, thats when you bring someone other than yourself into the picture.

[Cosytoasty]

That's the disgusting part of it, one person can make accusations anonymously.

Everyone knows who Liam Allan is, nobody knows who accused him.

[ladsin]

Neither. I don't see it at all as attacking men. I see it as people standing up to let each other know that they've been there, that it will get better, and that they're not alone. It's not a legal action, it's open and I would even say encouraged for men to join as well. Men are assaulted too, and it's important for those who have been to not feel as though they will be judged for talking about it.

That said, I do have a problem with how our legal system handles rape cases, but particularly with Title IX legislation in schools which I find to be discriminatory to the accused.

[EpicDweeb]

I think there are enough examples that seem all too convenient. There are accusations against political figures that just get me thinking, due to the fact that there has been nothing in their character, speech, behavior, etc, to lead me to believe they're the kind of person... but then comes along several young women before elections kick off with accusations that ruin the reputation of the politician and lose him the election. If there's no consequence for a false accusation, I think that simply encourages people to make false rape accusations simply out of spite for an ex, or a strict teacher or just someone they don't like.

[savalisk]

I don't really pay much attention to it other than whats shoved in my face on the internet and television media.
It does get me thinking though - definitely seems like it. I have seen some men try and use the MeToo movement to voice their concerns and make known their experience as victims of rape and sexual harassment... but I rarely hear any of their stories being brought to light. I guess it's a woman's exclusive club? I thought thousands of these things existed for women already, we need more?

[GreedyGiver651]

I gave my story and received support from all tje women I know, I got criticism from men. Women aren't usually shaming men, it's other men. So part of the reason in my opinion is that you maje a story of a male brought to light, they will be more criticized then women.

[savalisk]

We seem to be surrounded by different people.

[GreedyGiver651]

It was mostly online so people from all over.

[Anonymous]

i think people are just overwhelmed by it and thus don't believe its real. its just that women, young girls, are finally able to come out now against powerful men and they are giving each other courage and support which is letting so many other women speak up. women are speaking up against sexual abuse and rape and people are saying they are just "man-hating"? like if someone shot or stabbed you would u say the victim is "human-hating" i think it really makes u think about what really has been going on underneath in our culture. like sexual abuse is that common and we are feeling that now and i feel like that's just making people uncomfortable which is good and they need to deal with it instead of just pushing it aside

[AD240pCharlie]

It started off pretty legit, but at this point it's just a way for feminists to push their agenda. For example, many openly feminist men have been accused and proven guilty but their feminist friends defend them with passion, since they can't spread their belief that white, conservative men are the biggest threat to women if liberal Beta males also get convicted.

[GreedyGiver651]

You lost credibility when you called men "beta". Can you actually give examples that effect on such a large scale?

[AD240pCharlie]

@GreedyGiver651 I said "Beta males" just for emphasis, not as a serious statement.

[GreedyGiver651]

The emphasize of what? Also are you going to give examples or no?

[AD240pCharlie]

@GreedyGiver651 Examples of male feminists being accused or examples of female feminists defending them?

[Nivinxus]

I wonder how many times it would take for people to realise that movements are so easily vulnerable to be hijacked for personal means and gains. While it does empower various people, I won't deny that, it also empowers those unintended for. Doesn't even have to be a witch hunt, could be used as a layer of protection instead.

[michael041987]

I think it is both. There are too many guys who treat others like waste. Using the dependence within business, their innocence or lack of experience to harass girls. This makes me sick. But at the same time all those "professional female victims" are also having a great time. "O my god, I could swear he just checked out my ass, I gonna need a therapy for life"

[HP992]

I think these poll options are weighted. You can't post things to make people think and then have the options be "Yes" or "It made me think". That said, I think that with all its flaws, the #MeToo movement has been an eye opening moment that everyone needed to stop and think about. It's a national conversation that needs to happen.

[N0-On3]

Maybe they aren't all true but the ones who lie jeopardize the entire movement and make it harder for actual victims. But for the few lies said there are a thousand unheard voices so it's not "normalizing accusations against men", it's changing the normalization of objectifying women leading to harassment and assault.

[YoungManTryin]

MeToo as a movement was hijacked by man-hating feminists early on, and has been solidified as a man-hating witch hunt hashtag with the support of the women like the one accusing Aziz Ansari of rape because she regretted casual sex. This only gives me a greater distaste for feminism as a whole because of the widely accepted perversion of a perfectly good and productive movement.

[Anonymous]

I think it’s almost entirely legit BUT it’s leaving out crucial stories of sexual abuse and assault that happened TO men.

Those cunts that leave men out of the story need to wake up. Sexual assault and abuse is very common and very destructive - for both sexes, particularly children. 🙁

[Astoriana]

Terry Crews is a part of Me Too. Calm down.

[Asker]

sexual abuse is certainly not limited to a gender only. countless boys have been violated but due to societal double standards had to swallow it for a whole life... .

[Opinion Owner]

Court cases are no different than any other. People lie about robberies being committed, they lie about having cancer, etc. When someone lies that they were robbed when they really blew their paycheck gambling, we don’t say “Welp. Guess robbieries don’t happen.”

We say, “what a crazy asshole!”

[Opinion Owner]

We have a messed up view of sexuality, in general, in America. I’ve seen the threads telling guys it wasn’t “their place” to discuss their stories of abuse - it’s ridiculous.

[Astoriana]

I mean, it’s not their place to discuss it if they’re going to try to prove someone did nothing wrong, even though they clearly did, just because they love that actor or whomever. If they want to share their own stories, that’s more than fine.

[Opinion Owner]

I’ve seen men told to shut up about their sexual abuse stories, not trying to stick up for abusers. It makes me sick.

[GreedyGiver651]

As someone who did post #MeToo, I got nothing but support. We don't need to use the outlier situations like "cunts that leave men out of the story" or "many who falsely accuse". I explained in my own comment but it's essentially saying. Any idea can be used as an excuse for evil or hate, but at its core value its good. Now, I definitely support calling out individual situations or of the majority of the people use it for evil then it needs to be addressed. But not because of a small amount of people.

[GreedyGiver651]

Need to clarify, I got nothing but support from women, I actually got negativety from some men. This is only my situation though, so I'm not going to say "guys shame the men who post #MeToo" because it was a personal experience

[Opinion Owner]

Thanks for sharing, GreedyGiver. I’m sorry for your sexual abuse experience. 😔

[GreedyGiver651]

It's alright, I've healed, I just hope my story can help others. If only in that I'm a male

[Opinion Owner]

I am passionate about sexual abuse because of experience from childhood as well. It’s hard to speak up, but it’s backwards that the people harmed are the ones shamed into silence. Kudos to you for coming forward!

[GreedyGiver651]

Definitely, I've actually been on both sides. Falsely accused and actually a victim when I was younger. I still fully support #MeToo, it needs to happen. Not just for celebrities, even though they are focused on. Everyone who has been a victim of it. The celebrities get attention which I'm glad because it means more to the population, but all of them are necessary

[Anonymous]

There are lots of valid complaints, and probably a few spurious accusations too. Lying for advantage is human nature after all. I just wish we could wait until the court cases resolve to ruin guys careers.

I admit I'm pretty biased though as a false rape accusation ruined highschool and my homelife. She admitted to lying later, and I had a pretty obvious alaby but my name still got dragged through the mud. I still don't talk to my parents because they didn't trust me.

I don't get why it took so long to drop the charges I was on camera at my pt job when it happened. People picked fights with me about it and nobody would be my friend. I didn't even know the girl or why she said what she did.

[Goochbreaker]

No, it's not the regular man hating shit, it's mainly to do with hollywood and the music industry where a lot of abuse does occur, anyone who's been in it for an extended period of time as seen this AND MEN AS WELL hell my dad used to act not even that much and they tried to bring him up to the hotel room, he was smart though and valued his dignity more than money

[Agent]

I don't feel like watching any of the videos, but based off the description within the thumbnail of the last video. I think Danny should probably be provided financial compensation for the time wrongfully spent in prison.
'His annual salary * 2 * the amount of years he spent in prison' (or more) should suffice.

[LegateLanius]

I have a few friends whom were falsely accused, one of whom lost his athletic scholarship. I feel that there should be the same sentencing they give to an actual offender to the false accusers.

[Anonymous]

It's a witch hunt 100%
Women (mainly feminist) have seen that they have the power to destroy and have started to go after all things male. They will not stop until they have destroyed any masculine part of society, and only then will they realize without men they are screwed.
Men need to band together and start fighting back. Sadly there are way too many whiteknight losers who make this difficult, unlike women who are hive-minded and band together instinctually.

[GreedyGiver651]

First, no. Women don't need men, technically there is a way to use one womans DNA to get another pregnant. What would we be fighting back against? Women calling out their abusers? Lastly... Hive mind? Really?

[GreedyGiver651]

If you are going to call me a white knight, be more original, it's getting boring to hear that labal, try anything about my views or choices, not something I'm born with like looks, it's a challenge

[Opinion Owner]

@GreedyGiver651 Seriously bud. So do you want people to stop calling the sky "the sky" because it's "unoriginal"... you call a spade a spade bud. If you are acting like a white knight, then you are a white knight.

But women actually do need men. We have built and maintained EVERY aspect of their world. We are responsible for 99% of all advancement in this world. There are TWO societies where women rule and they still live in grass huts.

What we need to fight back against is the anti-male bullshit and gynocentric society that treats men as disposable providers and protectors.
Of the #MeToo movement bullshit the MAJORITY of accused males were falsely accused.
Showing interest to a female is NOT sexual assault or harassment. Taking the few males like Weinstein and making them the ONLY example because he was one of the few is bullshit. Yet When Jenny McCarty literally sexually assaulted Justin Beiber on stage no one said shit.

Lastly... Yes, HIVE MIND. Prove otherwise.

[Opinion Owner]

@GreedyGiver651 Women blindly support women simply for being women. This is a hive mind. If one says they are victims the rest get behind her without evidence needing to be presented.

[FýrdracaDócincel]

I don't see the whole #MeToo thing as anything more than something silly people say sometimes.

But I can see where the guy is coming from.
Society is pretty much teaching girls to overreact without putting any checks on them.

[Leafpool2]

No, it is not. Maybe... If that many women are saying it... your favorite dude sucks...

Also I actually study the Salem witch trials and that's a real bad comparison lol

[Charleslvajr]

It's the saying that goes with it. What comparison would you choose? Inquisition?

[itsallover]

Given how common sexual harassment is, I’m inclined to believe most allegations are valid.

[Anonymous]

yes i think so. thats my biggest fear is being accused of rape or sexual harrasment because i would never do that and i would never be able to repair my reputation anything i wouldve had going for me would be gone and im black so id be going to jail no matter if they say im guilty or not. this happened to one of my friends how the day after he had consensual sex she said he raped her even tho she was the one who came on to him and neither of them were drunk.

[Maxemeister]

Some of the accusers have gotten out of control, I forgot her name but I think she was wild with her accusations.

But overall it seems a corrupt system might be facing a formidable enemy now (AKA I think the movement's good)

[Unigel]

I think #metoo is legit (I voted wrong by mistake though).

[0112358]

For the most part no, not right now. At the margins, possibly.

[Mi2mi2a]

Isn't there any law in the US for wrongful accusations?

[Charleslvajr]

No there isn't not strictly.

[Mi2mi2a]

@Charleslvajr I think that's the solution for filing sexual harassment when it's later been proven wrong.

[andreasderjuengere]

The basic idea was long overdue. But it was exploited by a number of wrong people. Let us try again, and better this time

[debbiedoespoo]

I am pretty sure if I got raped I would not wait 30 years to complain about it and get the person jailed. I would do it right away when I was still angry.

[Charleslvajr]

And before you have to suffer with it for 30 years while the asshole wanders around having a good time.

[Guanfei]

It wasn't, at first, be quickly became a witch hunt. Used by neo-feminist to push their idea that mens are all perverts and rapists.

[markxcds]

Yes just more man hating by feminists as per usual. We should really take our lead from the French.

[MetalPanther]

Yes. It's spreads man-hating.

[smith_this]

They are only hurting themselves

[disgustingweebtrash]

it gets me thinking

[scooogy]

Does the title end with a question mark?

[mikey112]

It’s a bull crap propaganda..

[Anonymous]

Yep it is! Fuck Feminism!!!

[CT_CD]

Yeah

[sahas20]

Yup.

[sahas20]

I am a feminist by the way.

[Unigel]

What do you mean by feminist btw?

[sahas20]

Well, I want equality for everyone, irrespective of their genders.

[sahas20]

Yup, the #metoo movement which is being abused by many women to frame innocent men and that is sad. The guilty must be punished, but the innocent must not be regarded as a criminal unless it is proven in the court of law.

[Unigel]

Alright.

#metoo is about breaking the silence which surrounds most cases of sexual harrassment, abuse and assault.

Which is an issue which disproportionately affect women.

So why would a feminist not support it?

[sahas20]

Its not a good thing to support which has the possibility of ruining the lives of innocent.

[Unigel]

But what if for every false accusations (which will have minor effects since it won't be proven in court) hundreds of abused victims finally get to rebuild their life, and hundreds of assault will never happen since abusers now finally risk being caught?

[sahas20]

You see, the system is already in place to take care of the victims' justice.

[Unigel]

The system doesn't work, most victims never go to court, rape is one of the crime you're most likely to get away from.

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[sahas20]

I know that, but this witch hunt is not good. It destroys many things for an innocent soul. According to the law, its fine if 10 criminals go unpunished, but not even a single innocent person is to be punished. So, this witch hunt that is going on can destroy a lot of things, the accused' career, relations and many other things. The accused of the #metoo movement have already lost their jobs even if they haven't been proven guilty. So, do you want a person to be called a criminal even if his/her crime is not proven?

[sahas20]

And what if the accused cannot handle it and just kills self?

[Unigel]

So many rape victims get their lives destroyed or commit suicide... I believe #metoo saves more lives than it damages. I agree that it's not the way the judiciary system should work, but #metoo isn't the judiciary system and so it doesn't have the same effect.

I don't wish that every people accused by a hashtag get thrown in jail, but I think that it is doing more good than bad.

It also makes us realise how much the law hasn't been doing its job (otherwise #metoo wouldn't have happened) and that we need to make it better, fast.

[GreedyGiver651]

I agree unigel, no social movement is perfect, every single one has been used to manipulate or sadly has innocents hurt. No, it's not good but it's part of change. As someone who has been abused I can say it needs to be done. As someone who was wrongly accused (because it wasn't as fun for her as she wanted), it still needs to happen. Its about awareness to those who cannot speak up as well and helps them too.

[ivanhunterjo]

yes, it is.

[JesseJayNeak]

Yes, it's really bad

[Anonymous]

Yeah, guys are done.