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Because the male experience doesn't serve their interests. Women think only about themselves because society tells them that they have a golden vagina. They want to have it all and will never be satisfied.
I love all the triggered women down voting this opinion because they take personal offence as if they are spoken to.
And their white knights of course who think they can get laid by worshipping the golden vagina.
Stop generalizing all women..
@shinka1y234 female nature is universal. Of course I will generalise.
So it is not women's fault because it is their nature?
As many other women have said- rape and abuse is whole heartedly different from being an “omega male”.
Sit the fuck down and come back when you TRULY understand.
You're exemplifying exactly what he was saying. Even if women's issues let you win the oppression olympics, that doesn't mean there aren't others struggling with problems unworthy of being heard -- especially when they're trying to relate it to your problems.
@AllThatSweetJazz That's the exact issue. Had he not compared those things to women being raped and abused, he probably would have gotten better responses.
@Kas19 This is it may not look great, but it is a legitimate thing to say because it's not about what the problems are, it's about the fact that we all have problems and should be heard. Yes, he may have gotten better responses by choosing different issues, but that would also be ignoring the fullness of the issue he's getting at. By choosing rape, it presents a reality women have to confront in which even in the face of this awful thing that is rape being an issue in society, they still have to accept that other people have problems too. It seems like women are playing into this when they're here essentially saying apparent victimization (not even necessarily the individuals themselves) trumps things men face.
It's exactly because the responses would probably be better that I'm not sure that avoiding rape would be better in the end because this is apparently the area where the problem is more apparent.
When a girl left me, I didn't know why it felt like "this is like rape". But that was how I felt, while feeling it was absurd and totally unjustified. But then I'd heard that women are the gatekeepers of sex, while men are the gatekeepers of commitment. When a man commits, he commits. Most often, there is no "I'm unhappy", or "I'm bored". You're basically his life, or an integral part of it. He'd use himself to shield you from bullets if it came down to that.
But women either don't see this, or they take it for granted as if they're owed this and proceed to not value it. They abuse it. And this explains why men statistically recover from breakups much slower than women, if they ever do fully recover. Where a women will seriously date weeks after a breakup, it may take a man years. It's no wonder why mgtow resonates with men of such a wide range of ages, both young and older. Mgtow comes from divorcees who also suffer from the legal support for this type of behaviour. So they find no help and no one really to talk to about such a personal, psychological violation that they've fallen victim to. And regardless of whether the relationship was a marraige or not, or regardless if any legal action was taken against him, many men still commit suicide after these breakups; because the trauma and pain are that deep.
So I think in many cases, I think it's at least somewhat warrented to compare the plight of men and women on the level of mental trauma.
To clarify what I mean by "when a man commits he commits", it's not that he'll never actully feel any unhappiness or boredom. But it's that his commitment is such that he he will overcome all that to stay loyal in spite of having those kinds of struggles as well as all others. And he simply means it.
Most woman sit in ABUSE but rape is something BOTH genders face men are just are looked at as weak for even bringing up their were raped so how are you trying to say that's worse not every woman is raped nor do they face dangers so you sut down and shut up
@Lightning8 okay what you said was entirely ridiculous. When your girlfriend left you you COMPARED IT TO RAPE? Are you retarded?
Also, LMAO. Men are often the ones who initiate divorce. Both genders are “gatekeepers” of commitment. Check the statistics- women are more likely loyal. Do not fucking compare being dumped to having your body entered without your permission and violated. Men may try to understand rape trauma, but you certainly dont.
@Fuentes uhhh... almost no percentage of rape victim are men- and studies show women do not have that “rape her!!” Part of the brain men do. Also, a woman can very rarely overpower a man. There are instances, yes, but not as often and as easy as it is vice versa.
@AllThatSweetJazz Thank you for explaining what I already know what he was trying to do. My position still stands.
@Lightning8 I'm not even going to entertain how what you just said was completley fucked up and gross.
@Fuentes Yes, rape is something both genders face, but at the end of the day, women are raped more often than men, and men there are more male rapists than female. Not to say female rapists don't exist.
Honestly everything after that was fucking ridiculous. No one said every woman is raped. We are saying that comparing rape to "Pick up artistry" is stupid and he should be ashamed of himself for even doing that. Love how your only response after that was "sit* down and shut up"
@Kas19 @Valiant you guy's are both being extremely sexist going off STATS mem rape men and womem rape women too but see of a man is raped by either gender ge won't come out and talk about it... because society doesn't care or sees it as weak i know for sure if i was raped you won't catch me talking about it but that woudn't happen of course and also no MEN do not have the rape her both genders do... some people don't understand WRONG or RIGHT.. And like i said if women rape women you're saying it's in their head too? You guys are and disrespectful and both deserve cats for the rest of your lifes
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@Vaiiant
@Fuentes are you trying to argue men are raped an equal amount to women?😂😂
Well, it would seem like an honest attempt to understand a position or perspective different from your own might feature more questions than insults.
I thought I was being fair when I mentioned how I initially believed such a comparison was unjustified or absurd. But it's almost as if my comment wasn't actually read.
Also Valiant, "Men are often the one's who initiate divorce"... Well sure, about 20%. "Women are more likely loyal". If you say so, but certainly not after her s. o. cries in front of her, or demonstrates that he doesn't have complete control over a personal struggle, or loses his job.
@Lightning8 The hell? My boyfriend has cried multiple times and has had many failures in front of me. I don't know where this misconception of "men can't cry or women hate them!!" came from. I dont know a single woman who thinks that way.
Like I said- rape trauma is NOT THE SAME as being an OmEgA MaLe
@Well that's your experience. Countless guy have expressed that once they do accept their girlfriend's invitation to open up and be vulnerable with her, she loses interest/attraction and soon leaves. Evidently women don't think that way cognitively, they just do that, perhaps unintentionally. Because loving her partner is not the obligation or responsibility that it is for a man. And so she will avoid accountability, such that the man will blame himself, or feel regretful that it's somehow his fault.
I don't think rape is the same as being an omega male. But as I've stated, in many cases I think it's at least somewhat warrented to compare the unique plights of men and women on the level of mental trauma. So maybe one could possibly point out very specific similarities on that dimension of mental hurt, or being taken advantage of by the more powerful sex.
So, again for whatever reason the relationship breaks down and the woman is free to date other guys, relatively soon after her boyfriend opens up and shows his weaknesses and vulnerabilities to her.
Often we may make metaphorical similarities, but male and female experiences are obviously inherently unique. Hence, I feel in some cases it's appropriate to make similarities between two unique situations in order to connect our expriences, to relate to and understand each other better.
Nope you said only men wanna rape women, i said that's not true nen rape men too and women also rape women so it's not just a thing men think about. Doing and i said the reasons we don't hear about these cases because most men are not gonna talk about it so again it's not just a thing that men think of doing nor is it only targeted for females... funny you think every female will be raped haha not even true were you raped?
Your right about how there are some women who act like this, mostly like are those who are extremists ‘feminists’ (IMO they are not real feminists), I don’t know why they are like that.
But referring to the “pickup artistry”, are talking about catcalling or flirting or pickup lines? Because depending on the women herself could have possibly had a negative experience from it, for example maybe some flirting with a guy lead to her being drugged (obviously this is an extreme example). And plus catcalling in general can come off as rude and over-sexualised. So this might be one of the reasons you’re receiving that “vibe”.
I, myself am not sure about the “omega male”, mainly because I didn’t even know that those personalities traits (?) were a thing.
Overall though it depends on the women and their upbringing and possible personalities traits they may have.
Really? You have talked to billions of women on the planet about this topic?
A. if you want to retort dont go anon, be accountable for your own words.
b. no, but in my experience what he says is true (i live with 3 women)
c. not all women are like this, but there are those that are, from the women i know about 3/4 are (not all)
Right and you know about 1000 women at least then I assume? Considering there are billions you would need a good 1000 to reach that sort of conclusion.
@JamesBoradil03 How does not going anon make you accountable and why does that matter?
nope, but out of the ones thaat i do know I've not been wrong yet. give you for an example, you demand that because i didn't do a detailed survey of every woman on earth i am wrong, instead of saying hmm, why do guys think this? maybe stand back and look at this from their perspective?
@AllThatSweetJazz if you are going to say what you believe in or go against what someone says you should at least have the decency to say it straight to them, not hiding behind anon.
@JamesBoradil03 "you should at least have the decency to say it straight to them, not hiding behind anon."
It's all a joke though, you're not in front of me, I don't know who you are. You believing you're displaying any decency to me right now simply by not clicking anon is nonsense. It's ridiculous to care about that instead of focusing on someone's ideas. Going anon does nothing but prevent close-minded people from dismissing you out of hand -- and that makes it a good thing.
@AllThatSweetJazz no goin anon means you dont have the decency to be accountable to your words. i can say anything i want under a mask, but there's only certain things id want hekd to my name. so if i truly believed in something i would have the decency of being accountable to it
Okay you are wrong about your theory. There, i said it.
Being anon means nothing. We are all anon. I know fuck all about you just because you post with a username and a photo.. and great I see you are 16 which explains a few things too.
@JamesBoradil03
You're not accountable though, no one knows who you are here.
No one cares, even that's your real name, they don't care and nor should they because it's the merit of the ideas that matters. You fabricating some sense of superiority from being slightly less anon is your own doing. A counter-argument doesn't need and identity. It's all just about a stick you have up your butt about anonymity. Finally, being anon in this day and age is only going to be more important moving forward. We probably shouldn't be sharing any shred of our identity online if it can be helped. Your sense of "decency" here is anachronistic.
@OP If thats your standard then you can't claim to know anything at all. Have you spoken to billions of women so you can dismiss the theory?
@Edanurus Because the art of having empathy, understanding or sympathy for other human beings, has absolutely fuck all to do with whether you have a dick or pussy. To say "women literally refuse to even try to understand..." is just a ridiculous statement to make. That is surely a massive assumption to make based off his experience with the few women he has known in his life.
@OP Sure but I empathise with what the question asker is saying. Your attitude is one that he's talking about. Its not an attack on problems its the dismissal.
This is obviously an emotionally fueled question and you have kinda proved his point with being condecending and belittling him.
Gender/sex certianly changes how people look at you so I dont see how this sort of thing can't be looked at in terms of men and women, do you not think that sexism exists?
But my point is aren't you making the same assumption that he's wrong based on the few women you've known in your life too?
@Edanurus
Because there is no univeral rule that x gender has more empathy for another. There just simply is not. This is not *thing*. This is not a *fact*. This is no different than women saying nice guys do not exist or men saying women are all gold diggers. These are subjective statements. This is not scientifically proven. This is not biologically proven. This is literally stupid human issues based off emotions, irrational thoughts and childish conclusions.
I do not agree that a entire gender has no empathy for the opposite. Sorry but this is not proven. This is not a fact. This is a opinion. And I disagree that it is not based off factual knowledge but someome's subjective experience which has never been a cold hard fact. Me thinking all men are assholes as a EXAMPLE does NOT mean all men are. It is a irrational thought based off probably a few bad experiences.
I hope you liked my explain it like I am 5 answer. I have no other way to possibly explain this.
I don't think anything is saying *all.*
It's a generalization.
Read the question and tell me how rational this guy is.
I read it. It's fine. The examples are not target audience friendly, but the principles hold: We all got problems.
With the collapse of society and social mores, we now see woman's raw innate survival instincts distorted by privilege. “why is it women give off this "I don't give a sit about you" vibe?” because that is their real human nature. It is just life and if you don’t have a golden penis, they don’t care. Sex and relationships (lmao) are derived from mutual benefit and that is the center of human nature.
Well all women and men are different so the amount of attention you get when you’re having issues all depends on the kind of people you choose to surround yourself with. Also, the two example you’ve stated aren’t even within the same ballpark. All problems should receive attention and they shouldn’t be ignored but you can’t bring up rape and assault and then expect it to get the same amount of attention as pick up artistry and the idea of the omega male.
They're more selfishly inclined than us when it comes to certain things. It's biologically ingrained and don't let the SJW's tell you otherwise. Believe what you can see... which you already do see it, obviously. I'm mean my statement here is vice versa dude... How come I'd rather level up my Division 2 build, than spend my time at a stupid family party?
Most of us get it off the bat. The rest..."the world may never know."
As a 'guy' and posting as "Jennifer_32" with a female-looking picture? Makes me wonder, a lot, about your post, and credibility!!
So just a Troll, posting this fake, BS male 'Omega Male' load of shit, in a different package?
Dude, you can wrap that shit in bows, and glitter, and anything, and it is still BULLSHIT, and a pathetic excuse, and non-male, loser kind of crap to post!!
Only some women. Those women just aren't sympathetic and open to understanding men.
Women don't really care. Since they have plenty of guys to choose from. They don't need to understand guys.
That should really say "some" women
I think 'most' is the more appropriate word
Who cares about how the other gender feels?
I give 0 thought into the female experience. Its not my place. I am a man, I am concerned about myself. Women want a man who doesn't complain and talk about problems. Its our job as men to be problem solvers.
If wimen are as apathetic as you assert, why give two squirts of piss to understand the feminine experience? We are equally capable of apathy.
Personally speaking my concern extends only to those I care about. The rest, courtesy and politeness aside, I have a general indifference towards. I have zero need to feel any aspect of my existence necessitates being validated by some individual who I do not know and who does not know me. A live and let live kind of harmony sort of thing.
First off a lot modern feminism is benevolent sexism pushing a victim narrative. So if the narrative is women are victims of men how can men also be victims.
Secondly alpha, beta, and omega male is bullshit and is not reflected anywhere in nature. Any time someone starts talking about any greek letter male or female i laugh at how far their head is up their ass to have this shit coming out of there mouth.
Third there are women's groups that focused on mens issues.
Men can be quite different, so do women.
I can eagerly sit and listen to a man whose issue is problems with his family, work, aging, etc for hours literally and give him compassion but a guy whose main issue is why he can't sleep with every girl he meets... I just can't understand him sorry 😑😐😑😐😑😐😑
I don't know if this opinion is common on all women. But it is possible that so. É sort of women does not WANT to have understanding of men because they think that world has heard too much about men's point of view in the last 6000 years and now the female point of view must be dominant. This is a victim's reaction and no real equal rights point of view. Everybody can think as (s) he wants about it. :-/
Due to feminism many women grossly overestimate their own emotional intelligence. They believe that emotional intelligence is a distinctly female thing that makes them superior in understanding emotions and making social analysis. Thats why they refuse to listen to a man and ship things off as mansplaining because men are inferior in emotional understanding according to them.
There is no collective male or female experience. Your own experience is the only one you can truly understand. Gender doesn't change the fact that we're all prisoners of our minds, and the closest we can come to comprehending others' experiences is by comparing them to ours and filling in the gaps with our own imagination.
I noticed that, on average, most women tend to give less fucks about male suffering compared to female suffering. I don't really know why, maybe that just how it is. I'm not complaining about it though because I would not want to turn men's rights into a feminism 2.0 where it's basically annoying more people than actually doing good. Overall, I think it's a bit sad, but I don't really care. At least, I don't care enough to shame women for that.
Depends on the person, I've met a few women who actually seem to care about better understanding our psyche, seems rare though. From my experience though we aren't so different after all, who would have thought humans are similar to humans? xD
Anyways, I think it's because we are perceived as tough, and so people think we can deal with things ourselves, truth is sometimes we need help too, and the world would be a lot better if everyone would take a moment to stop and help their fellow citizen.
Until you give up thinking in gross generalizations you will always be lonely and miserable. Also give up the toxic alpha beta garbage. I’ve given you good advice on what to do on the other thread. Now go and do it.