and i have seen many women that do
I have seen many women that listen to problems that man have
But some "men" say women dont care about men
I read this question to my husband and jokingly he said "what are you stupid? NO." And laughed
But really though this is the first question he has actually answered when I read it to him. He said " I think it depends on the woman. And the situation. And that it can go both ways really, guys or girls. And just because someone lessons doesn't mean they have empathy. It's just being courtious. Unless they're just normally rude af. But he says he thinks most women have compation for men. And if someone is lacking empathy it probably has something to do with being fucked over previously by someone somehow (like his ex wife)
... But he think most men don't have empathy for women because most of them are just trying to get in their pants.." I mean he is a man but he has manors like crazy. He could be in a room alone and burp and still say "excuse me." And would stop and help a stranger in a heartbeat with no expectations of receiving anything in return, and would turn it down anyway. That's y I love him. He looks like a hard ass dickhead and gets judged regularly by his looks but is the nicest guy you could ever hope to come across when you need help.💞
After reading this
I now have empathy for your husband
He is great
I feel bad for him because of the idiots that judge him
Awww y'all are so sweet! He said
"don't feel sorry me", He's
"definitely not looking for empathy.. lol"
He is who he is because, (I know) he has a genuinely good heart. He always trys to be the bigger person because that's the way he was raised,
"manors and respect. It's the right thing to do and just because"
he looks like something else, or
"Just because society says so, doesn't make things right."
He's got what some would call "offensive" tattoos, and long hair, long goaty, septum piercing, (ya know.. the bull ring in the nose) about 6" 190lbs looks like a biker asshole, but is totally the opposite. I mean he loves to golf, and kids love him when, (even they), get past his looks. He likes cuddling, bonfires and looking at the stars. But he is the manliest man, that ever maned, manhood!! that's how I like to describe him.💞 He's a no joke hard labor construction lumberjack, guy that loves tools, using his hands to build stuff, shootin guns, and has a sailors mouth, he loves big trucks, and John deere, everything🙄... but will be the 1st one to offer anything he has to help a stranger or
"punch someone in the mouth for doin wrong to someone else in a parking lot. No matter race, personal identity, age, religion or $. For no personal interest man!"
I've seen him turn down $ many times and never regrets it. Even my friends and family were leary about him in the beginning, and asked if he had been in prison lol. But now, people that know us, knows he's a good guy and they love him too 💞
Omg just re-reading that... It's so fuckin sweet, it made me throw up in my mouth a little.. 🤢🥰
@bailey11
the sheer amount of inceldom and misogyny in these comments is alarming to say the least. how empathetic someone is, man or woman, varies from person to person and that’s pretty much all there is to say.
I totally understand you
Most men these days are pathetic
and the rrason
why i asked this quedtion is to see which person on here has a brain
"Sheer amount of inceldom...", yeah there is female empathy for you.
@badboy1232 "Most men these days are pathetic"... this quote from "BadBoy". Fucking idiot cuck.
@DonCachondo
What is your position?
@joeblow123 should be pretty obvious...
@6suejsjsj
How does this involve you?
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No. If we look at statistical data its pretty clear that women do not have any empathy for men, at least no innate empathy like men have for women. Some have learned how to empathize with men but for the most part they don't. Women have a four times greater in group bias then men i. e. women look more favorably on women then they do men and all else being equal a woman will always side with another woman.
If we look at our roles in society this is further shown to be the case. You cannot expect your husband to fight for you and protect you while caring about him, you cannot send your sons off to fight in wars and to die to protect you and your way of life and see them as you would see yourself (as mothers and wives of sparta would say to their husbands and sons "come back with your shield or on it (i. e. fight and survive, or die in battle, but they would disown you if you fled)). This is further shown in the burkenhead drill which says women and children should be evacuated first. This requires women to abandon their husbands and male children (over a certain age at least) to save themselves which women have historically done just that. You cannot see them as an equal, to empathize with them and leave them to die while saving yourself, you must prioritize yourself above them and thus see yourself differently then you see them.
70% of women surveyed stated they had a back up man i. e. a man who liked them that they kept around just in case their current relationship failed. 70% of all divorces are filed by women, the most sited reason being no fault (interestingly 60% of male initiated divorces, unlike for women, are due to infidelity on the part of the wife. This is about 20% of total divorces.). Women also do not marry "down" economically speaking i. e. you need to be able to provide for her if she is to marry you. That means that clearly she isn't going to empathize with you not having money, see your worth beyond those resources. This holds true for most every other aspect of male/female interactions as well.
The fact is if we look at the data and how women behave, they do not empathize with men, they are not capable of it. Does it suck? Sure, its pretty awful desiring a woman to care about you knowing she doesn't have the capacity to see you more then a tool (one she may be fond of but a tool none the less), but that is reality, we rarely get what we want.
To get to the bottom of this question, requires deep thinking.
Do men actually want empathy from women? Stoicism is an admirable trait in men. Other men respect it, and most women find it a good quality.
So with the best men, in society's eyes, are stoic, they actually rebuff any empathy from women, for the most part.
Are women capable of having empathy towards men? Yes of course. Does society reward that? Not really.
I have only touched the surface. Your question is too complex to really answer on here.
This answer is really stupid
It doesn't have anything yo do with being stoic
Of course it does. If men don't show they need empathy, then why would women show it?
Many psychologists and philosophers believe there is no true altruism within the human nature; thereby altruism and eventual empathy are in fact self-preservation and selfishness motivated. The incentive of altruism is avoidance or fear and an ego defense mechanism. The altruism transition to empathy is the ability to step out of oneself and intellectually identify the thoughts, feelings, or state of another person. That is a stretch and very few male or female truly have that ability. Then, compound that with the gender differences of thoughts, emotions, and priorities such that true empathy is an almost insurmountable ability. Nope, unfortunately, >99% of couples are together as a mutual benefit arrangement such that empathy is only a theoretical word. Face the facts of life and live with it.
A question like this on a site where do many seem to just gender bash or assume, you'll get more answers from people with an agenda than the truth...
Some women are emphatic to men, some aren't... Some men are empathetic to women... Some people are empathic to ANYONE that deserves their empathy, regardless of gender... As it should be...
@errorgoodnameunfound her reply was already reported
Oh OK I reported her too. I specifically reply back to comments like that to make them look bad so they are more nervous to be around. Plus some find it entertaining. :)
@errorgoodnameunfound I don't know why they always seem to jump on my thread or a thread on my posts 🤷🏼‍♀️
I see them randomly and ofc, they NEVER have replied to me :) So perhaps trolling them works. You see em round, pm me, ill be on it. If they don't get removed, at least we can make them the butt of jokes and make sure nobody falls for it.
@errorgoodnameunfound sounds good lolol
I think it depends. If the women likes you she will likely have empathy, but if it is a guy she doesn't know complaining or going through stuff she probably won't care.
For instance, most women don't really care about problems men face as men. They also don't often care about men being abused. At one point a man got his duck cut off by an ex and most women just laugh at it. They also have this idea that it is okay to hit men. Obviously, this is a generalization, but lots of women are like this, in some capacity
They're empathetic up to the point where a man will voice anything negative about his experiences with women. They'll get real defensive and start blasting things like "Who hurt you?" or "incel" and basically write you off as a misogynist. In that case, I don't think the issue is so much lack of empathy but inability to take criticism on behalf of your own gender. This is a particularly American/Anglophonic world problem, where women are largely convinced that they have a score to settle with men and hence they can't cede any ground to them in the war over righteous indignation.
The question tends to be very general and therefore tends to be stupid. Being empathetic or not is a very personal thing and is not always related to gender. Instead, showing emotions is extremely gender related. I was talking about this with my former therapist just a few days ago. The male is usually precluded from being able to show emotions as a child. Therefore he tends to show as much emotion as a road manhole. He is able to show the emotions he has been allowed to express, and therefore can primarily show anger. The female is shown the possibility of showing all emotions, normally except anger (in fact the number of passive aggressive women is very high).
Returning to a more precise answer. Women who are normally empathic tend not to be empathetic to men who don't allow them to be. Also there is a growing number of women who are not empathetic and will not be empathetic to anyone.
I think a lot of men are seeking sympathy and not empathy, and are confused about what they want. There is a huge difference between a woman empathising with and babying a man - lord how pissed some can get when you don't treat them like a kid but an adult.
We do. And as for those men who think we don’t, I don’t like or agree with that mindset but I understand it because there are some really horrible women out there. Those men were probably either hurt by those women or saw other men in their lives get hurt and therefore vilify our entire gender because of certain demon spawn bitches (which in all fairness, scorned women do the same thing).
Most women are in tuned with our emotions, there's not a single woman who has asked a man "what's wrong" and "let's talk about it". The truth is, a lot men just flat out don't like having to do "emotional talks" cause men handle shit differently. It's not always because society and women see men having emotions as being weak, sometimes it just men dealing with things their own way that aren't necessarily emotional.
Im just asking sbout empathy
Women being empathetic to men
I have empathy towards people in need that is sick and poor and hurt people.
I don't see as to why I should be empathetic towards men. Both men and women have problems with other gender when it comes to dating. It's not like men get periods very month and has to spend time being unproductive.
Its not like woman gets called police on just because her kid throws tarantum and other people thinks she kidnaping kid. Or gets asked to leave kids playground just because of her being woman and assumed to be pedofile.
Common give me a break, lets not play who has it worst. But if you want shure be my guest lets have some fun.
If dont have empathy for men
You are just a piece of shit
Same as for women
@Don-_-Don I don't have empathy for male gender as a whole and I don't see why I should. In the beginning, I already did say that I have empathy for PEOPLE who have gone or are going through something. I only show empathy based on a person and not a gender. So for sure I would have empathy for a PERSON who has gone through tough stuff like cancer.
The men who say that some women don't care, need to pick better women who do.
Don't stick around with a woman whose not emotionally empathetic of your feelings guys. There out there!!
Yes! A lot of girls do, but sadly a lot of guys either act bitter, thinks it's girly or childish, etc. And we get hurt. Then if we end up bitter or resentful because of it, not all the same We're Men hating. It's crazy.
@btbc92 You have every advantage over men, on every front, and yet you don't appreciate or recognize any of it. Let's start with that and then talk about female empathy.
Why would I want to take advantage over men? I don't control them. They are not for me to control. I appreciate how God designed them, but many have fallen away and haven't come to the Lord. The same with women. I am not using my flesh to hurt somebody else. The only time men must be able to do something is facing your enemy.
Far less than they do for anyone or anything else in existence, including any animals (bar insects and slugs/snails, perhaps?) and items of their own clothing. In the eyes of women, we're just objects, items, to be possessed and to bestow possessions upon them, or to be ignored/reviled as they see fit. Nothing more.
Women have minimal empathy toward men, even their own sons. Women do not tolerate weakness, failure, or distress, in a man of any kind. Look at how many women divorce their husbands once their husband are diagnosed with cancer and you will see what women truly are.
@TallJess "Who hurt you"... Who dropped you on your head?
@KrakenAttackin No one dropped me on my head.
I am asking because you really sound hurt. I am sorry that you had to deal with an bitch at some point. But to say that we don't have empathy for men, even our sons, is a streach.
@TallJess It's not a stretch. Look at the horrible abuse sons endure at the hands of single-mothers. Look at every serial killer of women, every single one of them was abused and neglected by a single mother. Women wonder why there are so many male monsters? Women need to look in the mirror because you create monsters.
I also saw a documentary once talking about that. That most serial killers had single mothers.
Still that doesn't mean that most boys raised by single mothers become serial killers.
The same way that most girls in the "entertainment industry" were neglected by their father even with him at home while growing up. Doesn't mean all girls that have their father at home end up in that industry.
@KrakenAttackin
How's it going, bro? You're right. Women's role is to be empathic. If they fail at that they fail at being women. Now before some female gets upset let me ask you this: when was the last time you called a man "a wimp" because he didn't perform to your expectations? When was the last you called him "a pussy" over bullshit? If you are going to make demands of me I'm going to make demands of you. That is a non-negotiable ultimatum.
@joeblow123 Men tend to hold each other accountable, at least in my environment.
@KrakenAttackin
I hold both men and women accountable. Real men do that. It is only virtue signalling soyboys that give women a pass.
@joeblow123 Well said.
@TallJess "WHo HUrt YOuu?" Classic example of lacking empathy with a concern troll stock question
@DonCachondo Women have no incentive to be kind of empathetic. Women get what they want by driving men as hard as they possibly can regardless of the emotional, physical, or psychological toll on men. When I say men I include a woman's father, husband, brothers, and son. There isn't a man a woman won't destroy when she wants something.
@TallJess It's not a stretch. Everywhere I look I see women sucking the life out of men, including their own sons. The amount of entitlement in modern women is unbelievable. The crazy thing is that women don't even realize how much they are destroying men... and don't care.
Look at the huge male suicide rate. Do women care? Nope.
Women are a larger percentage of the population and outlive men significantly, but still 3x as much spending is done on women's health issues as compared to men's. Do women care? Nope.
Men make up 96% of workplace fatalities, do women care? Nope.
The overwhelming amount of homeless are men. Do women care? Nope.
I can go on and on, but would women care? Nope.
Don't tell me about female empathy.
@DonCachondo How was that not showing empathy? I was asking if he was hurt before.
@KrakenAttackin you really have a bad impression of women. That is why I asked who hurt you. Whoever she was or what she did, she does not represents most women.
@KrakenAttackin Do men care?
I am not saying that no one should care. Society should care for all of those issues, but it doesn't. Both men and women don't care about men's problems. That is sad and should be changed. Why don't men speak up? Why don't you do something?
Women should do something, but men have even big reason to act. So they don't?
Most of you don't even feel empathy for your own.
@TallJess It's obvo such a canned response. And it's so fkin cliche!!! Seriously, what were you going to do with an answer if he gave you one, go find the woman and bully her? LOL.
The phrase "Who hurt you?" is not a sincere question but rather a ridiculously enduring, and hence common, gaslighting technique designed to cast doubt on the validity of one's stated grievances through the implication that they could ONLY be valid from the perspective of a traumatized—i. e. broken—mind.
@TallJess "Who hurt you" is like saying "OK Karen". Don't play stupid.
@DonCachondo No, I would simply say that not all women are the same. We don't all treat men like crap.
I think we can all agree that some men also treat women like crap. Both genders do bad thing to the other, and both have good people. No need to generalise.
@KrakenAttackin it was not my intention to riddicule you in any way. I was really asking because you do sound hurt.
@KrakenAttackin and I would understand better where you are coming from.
By the way I am curious to hear your response to my question. Why don't more men care about mens problems?
@TallJess Nobody is saying all women are the same... we all speak in generalizations all the time, it's part of basic communication, lol don't go throwing all of inductive reasoning out the window just because you find a certain generalization inconvenient haha
@DonCachondo Then we agree.
@TallJess Men do care about their own, but women are so busy sucking up resources from society there isn't much left for men. Men are constantly told we have to do more for women on every front. I see it almost every day. When a women comes in with a problem, men stop what they are doing to immediately address what problem she has. You women are so used to men doing everything for you that you don't even realize it. And men are so used to doing things for women that they just go into autopilot and handle the issue.
Men are hardwired to protect and support women, it's in our DNA. The problem is that women don't give a fuck. You are more than happy to suck up the work and sacrifice men make, while absolutely not appreciating it, AND still bitching about "equality". In reality, the VERY LAST thing women want is "equality", which would mean you would have to handle your own shit.
@KrakenAttackin They do? You guys are the first ones to tell eachotehr to man up and that men can't be raped. If you really wanted to support each other you would do more than, well nothing. What have you guys done to try to help each other? To reduce the suicide rate? To reduce court bias? You haven't done a thing.
As a women that works in a make dominated industry I can tell you that men are not that eager to help us. Or better said, they try to help until I refuse their advances. After they know I am not interested they stop trying to help.
You talk like women don't work. Sure the mail operating drill are doing a hard work, but nurses keeping people alive for over 24h shifts in pandemic days are not exactly doing anything. We are not in the stone age anymore. We work for what we have. If you men chose to not study and end up on the drill that's on you.
Also yes we do care! It's our brothers, sons, father and partners. I don't have a son, but I have the others and I love them.
@TallJess Way to slam blue collar as "men who chose not to study". Also totally incorrect. There is plenty of study in many blue collar fields (like being a Weld Engineer). So stop your mysandrous BS.
You say you care about men? Why have women so horribly slanted the laws against men? Look at #MeToo and what that has done to regular good men. What if your son is someday falsely accused by a woman where he works of inappropriate conduct? He will be fired and labeled with no recourse. What if he has consensual sex with a woman who the next morning decided it was a mistake and files a rape complaint against him? He will be destroyed and ruined as a person.
You women have made interaction with you a very dangerous endeavour. What have you done about this to help your Son? Answer... nothing... because you don't think any of the above are real problems. Your answer will be "I will teach my son to respect women", which is only lying to him. So I reassert, you do not have empathy for men even though you think you do.
Let's not play dumb. You know very well that most men that have those dangerous jobs didn't finished their education. Garbage men, construction workers, window cleaners, etc.
I know that some men were falsely accused and no one heard them. But those are isolated cases. It's still more likely that a woman will go to HR complain about a real sexual harassment case and instead of listening to her they brush it off as "just joking". Then she gets ostracized by her peers for speaking the truth.
So I don't need to be afraid for my son.
I haven't done anything because I don't need to. False accusations happen, but they are rare.
Of course I have empathy for men when it happens! But that doesn't mean it's a generalized problem.
@TallJess I don't believe that when it comes to porn women will pose in the nude. Fatherless or not. Genie Bus, co-owner of the Los Angeles Lakers, posed in Playboy. She was not fatherless nor was she in a desperate financial situation. The same with Paris Hilton and Kim Kardashian.
@joeblow123 I never said that ALL girls who do it don't have a father. I said that father issues makes many girls desperate for men's aproval and so they fall into that industry.
Besides you can have a father at home and still have father issues with the lack of attention he gives you.
@TallJess You completely glossed over my rebuttal so I can tell you are not serious about this discussion.
@KrakenAttackin What? No I answered you. Here I will post it again:
Let's not play dumb. You know very well that most men that have those dangerous jobs didn't finished their education. Garbage men, construction workers, window cleaners, etc.
I know that some men were falsely accused and no one heard them. But those are isolated cases. It's still more likely that a woman will go to HR complain about a real sexual harassment case and instead of listening to her they brush it off as "just joking". Then she gets ostracized by her peers for speaking the truth.
So I don't need to be afraid for my son.
I haven't done anything because I don't need to. False accusations happen, but they are rare.
Of course I have empathy for men when it happens! But that doesn't mean it's a generalized problem.
@TallJess You don't have empathy for men who work essential and dangerous jobs because they did not go to college? Way to be egalitarian!!! In your mind their lives are worth less which you made brutally apparent. Think about your privilege Jess.
@KrakenAttackin I would say the same thing for a women working those same jobs! If you ask me if they should have better work conditions to make it safer, absolutely!
But my point is that no one forced them to be there. That's the result of their life choices. What the hell am I supposed to do?
If I feel for them if they die or get injured? Yes! But just like when a police or a fireman die on the job, they put themselves there. What can I do?
@TallJess
"Construction workers" also includes electricians who went to school to learn how to do electrical work without causing a short circuit and posssible fire.
"I know that some men were falsely accused and no one heard them. But those are isolated cases."
"False accusations happen, but they are rare."
The false accusation rate for rape is 60%. The reasons given for this false accusation rate: spite, revenge, even boredom. These are the cases where the accuser deliberately lied. This is from a U. S. Air Force study by Dr. Charles McDowwell. From the book The Myth Of Male Power by Warren Farrell.
@TallJess
"Why don't more men care about mens problems?"
I've asked the same question.
@talljess
These statistics I provided apply only to the United States. There are cultural differences between the United States and Portugal. The issues we discuss here pertain to the English speaking world.
@joeblow123 Electricians don't make that little and have a far less dangerous job than what people think.
I don't know that author. But there are books out there with a lot of bs. Including feminists books. Writting abook do not make you right in everything you say. Actually according to the FBI false accusations make only 8% of all accusations.
And if you think for tow seconds you will realise that 60% is way to big to be truth.
Note that I never said that it never happens or that I don't feel for men falsely accused.
@joeblow123 Men should care more. Everyone should care more about men. You guys are amazing!
@joeblow123 I put Portugal in my profile, but I am actually from Brasil.
And yes, I agree that there are way more issues in the English speaking world.
@TallJess
"Actually according to the FBI false accusations make only 8% of all accusations."
Can you post a link to back your claim?
@joeblow123 I tried to find it, but I am not finding the FBI data. Still I have found this www. open. ac. u k/ research/n ews/ false- accusations- sexual- violence (I have to post it like this. I can't post links yet due to my level.)
Calls on even lower percentages.
@TallJess
"there are books out there with a lot of bs. Including feminists books."
The same goes for rape statistics. True and false.
@joeblow123 I agree. That stat that that says most girls will experience some form of sexually violence during college is pure bs. I don't remember what number the percentage was, but it was super high. No way it's that much or no girl would ever go to college!
Not at all, especially if they have daddy issues.
Let's see, when pregnant my girl told me it prolly isn't even mine...
Just to throw a low blow.
Told me my feelings are irrelevant.
Never once has went out of her way to tell me she loves me.
Depends on the woman , a lot of women do not ( esp feminists , they outright hate men ) , and have far more empathy for their own gender , however the " media " and other societal influences , in the Western countries anyway , do encourage women to look down on men as lesser beings.
Independent minded , self motivated women , tend to have more empathy towards men specifically , and these ladies can be a treasure to have in our lives.
Its not just women that have little empathy for men. Its men as well. We treat our own gender as if it were disposable.. Its not a man or woman thing, its a society thing.
Really
can't you understand that women do care about men
oh i do believe that they care.. Older generations do anyway.. Lets just say the more conservative the woman the more likely to care about someone other than her self she will be..
@ your update... Dude look up videos of women abusing men in public.. People just pass by and ignore.. When they reverse the gender, people intervene.. that right there should tell you enough about how society feels about men.
Men are stronger than women
Thats why
its irrelevant.. My ex sliced my face up because i broke up with her.. And i am the one that was threatened with jail time not her.. You need to do more research before you open your mouth kid.
Women certainly have empathy for men. The problem is that the more often situations come up where she feels empathy for you, the less she respects you as a man. Also, the less severe the situation, the more she'll see you as a child instead of a grown man
If I'm being completely honest, I'd say very few women really have empathy towards men.
Some of it isn't really their fault. Women are just vastly different from men. Why would you expect a woman to understand a man's perspective or his experience when men and women are 2 worlds apart?
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