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I've often wondered the same thing!!
She uses them as one of her biggest selling points but, you're NOT allowed to look at them or notice that she even HAS them!!
Maybe it's some kind of a test! She KNOWS you LOVE tits so, she presents them to you on a silver platter, sticks them in your face as much as possible and makes SURE you KNOW she has them and then takes strict notice of how often you look at them and how often you look at her and, if you look at her all the time and NEVER look at them, you've passed the test and she'll consider dating you!!
Women only get angry if they think the guy who is staring is unattractive. But they show cleavage so they can get attention from the guys they do like. It doesn’t matter if the guy absolutely has no idea if she thinks he’s cute vs. ugly. All that matters is her feelings.
The modern feminist standard for men is we are magically supposed read minds and either stare or look away. Yes every man was born with this incredible talent (said no man ever).
by the way I am only talking about staring. Only that. I don’t and never have cat called women in my life. But according to feminists anything that makes a woman uncomfortable including staring is sexual harassment and metoo worthy.
Women don’t show cleavage. They dress in clothes they like. There’s a difference. It’s not for your benefit.
Are you that weak willed that you must stop everything your doing just to stare at a woman’s cleavage because it’s in front of you?
The logic of creeps: “Lets blame women for our own irresponsible and entitled behavior”
I spent my life controlling myself for the benefit of women. Not looking at their bodies, respecting their boundaries.
They thought I was gay.
I now know that I was wrong to be so cautious and caring for women’s feelings. And that it has caused me to suffer alone for most of my life, despite being attractive and having women’s attention. Having women throw themselves at me. I was so scared of being offensive, so scared to make women uncomfortable. But all it ever did was screw me over.
I only learned that women think I’m gay, because I ended up making friends with a lot of girls. And these girls wanted me to change. They wanted me to flirt with girls. They wanted me to look at their bodies. They wanted me to “be a man” and to chase women. To chase every cute girl I see. They told me I should be a player. Why the hell would a bunch of girls tell me that shit if women supposedly hate players?
So you know what? I think y’all are full of it lol. Complete BS. You want men to chase you. Just the attractive ones. That’s the only reason my female friends encourage me to chase women. Because I’m allowed to because I’m attractive. Ugly guys are the ones that make you uncomfortable and angry.
I now see it for what it really is. And women are the ones that taught me.
@Kaazsz Welcome to the Brotherhood.
@Kaazsz this is a masterpiece. Give this man a prize. 👏👏👏
@Kaazsz You have absolutely 0 understanding of what women actually think. They probably thought you were gay because you acted in a more "feminine way" like having a high pitched voice or flirting with men. Being a decent person who doesn’t harass women is not a gay trait. Lol
You girls know that if you show your tits then guys will stare. Instead of bashing men and blaming them, fucking own it and keep it pushing. Why all these mental olympics. Who cares.
If it bothered you, you'd stop. That's common sense.
@Marilynjuana That is exactly like saying if a man is showing off his brand new million dollar Lamborghini, don't be surprised if he attracts gold-diggers. He has to stop showing off what his money can buy so that women stop attracting themselves to his money.
@navyrobin It's not the same thing :'). Just because you might be selfish and a gold-digger, doesn't mean that the rest of us are. Men, however, are mentally wired to be attracted to tits. We all know that. If you don't want the attention, cover up. You can't be the victim when you are perpetrator, darling girl. Sorry.
So, it’s completely okay for men to stalk and harass women because they “are attracted to tits.” Got it.
Not to be cruel but this is exactly why you attract men who cheat. You accept any type of irresponsible behavior.
@navyrobin Oh fuck off with that. Don't get personal regards to cheating with me. I got cheated on because I was long distance with a man whom I didn't fully know. I take pride in owning my shit, instead of convincing everybody around me that I am some sort of a "victim". You're absolutely vile for using cheating against me here. Clearly you read my past questions and saw that I struggle deeply with the pain that followed. You're disgusting. I have no other words for you. Go flash your tits and keep on whining, little cupcake. Other little delusional snowflakes will agree with you, I will stick with being rational. Using cheating against me is the battle cry of somebody who just lost. To hell with you.
And yes, shocker, straight men are attracted to tits. Are you really that surprised.
Okay. I’ll ignore your rant.
And yes, I know they’re attracted to women but that doesn’t give anybody the license to harass others. I’d say the exact same thing if a woman objectified a man just because he happens to wear an attractive outfit. It’s not right to whistle or cat call.
@navyrobin actually I’m lucky to have overheard them talking about me too. They liked me from day1 and flirted with me relentlessly. They decided I was gay when I didn’t act like most men act.
We used headsets to communicate. They thought I wasn’t on the headset one day and I got to hear them talking about me. Basically I’m very masculine. My voice is super deep which I already knew. One girls said I had a very masculine laugh (how does that work?) and it’s very cute because of it. They said they love my smile and it makes their hearts melt. They said they catch female customers ogling me from a distance.
This was all before I was closer to them.
I was always very open and honest with the girls. And I asked them directly for help. I talked to them about my shyness and how I felt about approaching women. That I didn’t want to disrespect women or make them feel used. I am an extremely honest guy and I told them everything about myself and they gave me honest replies.
They basically told me to “fuck their feelings, and have sex with girls. Flirt with girls. “Fuck bitches get money” literally they said to me. When I asked why they would encourage me to be a player when they themselves have said how much they hate players, they said to me “you’re different. It’s OK because it’s you.”
I was very open and honest with them and so they were open and honest with me. I asked them for help and they gave me the opposite advice I expected to hear. They didn’t tell me to be respectful or whatever. They told me to fuck bitches get money lol.
@navyrobin You'll ignore my "rant" because a deluded coward never has the balls to take back something like that. Sweetheart, go to hell. Be a victim there.
@Kaazsz If they really told you that, that is fucked up. Their viewpoint is toxic and self destructive. I don’t think you should take the experiences you had with a couple of girls to mean that it’s the same thing with all women...
@Marilynjuana Are you done complaining or are you going to keep defending people for being disrespectful asshats by saying it’s in their “genes” to harass?
@navyrobin I'd gladly stop chatting with you, so please don't quote me. You have no valid arguments or points so just stop. Perhaps head back to school, yes, it is wired in straight men to be attracted to women. I didn't say shit about harassment, as you can see. Stop imagining things to fit your narrative. It's weird.
@Marilynjuana You understand that women are not bothered at all by men being attracted to them, but by being harassed for wearing clothing that exposes their cleavage right? That was what the question was asking. Your mindset is so sad it’s not even funny
@Marilynjuana what if a man is attracted to female ass?
@navyrobin Since when is "staring" harassment? Please look at the question yourself and riddle me on that.
It was a lot more than a couple. I have a large group of female friends now. Girls I worked with, girls I met around the town I moved to, my sister’s friends. Also a couple gay dudes who offered to help turn me into a player. And the girls said I should take them up on the offer.
Well I never did take up the offer and I still haven’t become a player. I still feel too much shame and guilt for being a man.
It’s funny, when I was younger and far more clueless, I was a loser and loner. I’d go to bars and clubs with my loser friends. I’d stand there and do nothing and drink.
Girls would actually approach me. They would try to talk to me and flirt with me. I remember one time a girl got mad and screamed in my face “what are you fucking gay?” She was angry that I wasn’t flirting back and touching her and all that. Many girls approached me and walked away looking dissapointed. Because I was too scared to be flirty and sexual because I didn’t want women to be afraid of me. I didn’t want to offend women. I didn’t want them to think I was nothing but a sex crazed horny monster.
Back then I believed I was ugly. I wasn’t ugly I was cute AF. I didn’t know it because of how much I hated myself. I had all the evidence in the world that chicks liked me and I was blind to it.
I always wondered why girls sometimes would get into these weird situations with me. Like “you dumb bitch you’re lucky I’m not a rapist cuz you shouldn’t have gotten alone with me like this” I would think. It was just because they thought I was gay because I want being flirty and sexual with them. Like damn, can’t a guy just be a nice respectful man and not be gay?
@scooogy So? The solution is that if you are attracted to anything, face, tits, ass or anything (men or women), don't stare? The people who complain here (including @navyrobin who accused me of complaining, bit hypocritical) are in full power over this situation. Cover up your tits or wear pants less tight if you don't want looks (which apparently is harassment now?)
@Kaazsz That is honestly so weird to me. Where are these girls even from? If anything these girls were the ones harassing you.
@Marilynjuana Staring is harassment. Glancing isn't. Learn the difference.
@Marilynjuana I actually discovered your reply so late that the staring thing came right within. I just wanted to ask if preferring a girl's made me less of a man in your opinion. 🙈
@navyrobin Please Google what “harassment” actually is. You’ve proven to be a clueless hypocrite, please stop tagging me lol. Embarrassing.
@navyrobin all over the world. I was in the military. Though I was stationed in various states in the US and went to clubs there. I also deployed and went on training excursions to other areas and countries. I would be the only guy from my career field sent along with a large group of guys one for each area of the aircraft we worked on.
I would just follow them where they went. Lots of the military guys were players. Get girls drunk and take them to the hotel.
I’ve been to bars and clubs all over the world lol. And girls approached me in all of them. Though I had too much self loathing to see what was going on. When the girls would walk away disappointed it just reaffirmed my believe that women didn’t like me at all.
But really it was the fact that I wasn’t flirting and staring at their bodies and being sexual with them.
It took so many years to finally figure it out. My friends I have now helped me a lot. I can flirt now. I tend not to though. Not unless I feel comfortable. Like if my other female friends are around I feel comfortable to flirt.
I’ll touch girls. Hug them. Look them up and down head to foot. Let them catch me looking at their hips or their tits. They love it.
But I still feel guilty about it. I have a lot of anxiety around it. A lot of times the anxiety hits me and I have to stop and I have to get away. Because I spent my life afraid to do those things and now I know how to do them and I know I’m expected to do it.
I feel like when I do this stuff the girls latch onto me. And I don’t want to end up going home with one girl. Because what if I don’t like her tha much? What if we have sex and then I don’t want to see her anymore? I don’t want her to think I was just using her for sex.
So I literally avoid girls now. I avoid flirting and all that even though I can now. And I learned cuz my female friends flirted with me relentlessly until I started flirting back. They would poke me and hug me and tease me and push me until I was comfortable.
You need to look up what it is, clearly you have no idea. The definition of harassment is “aggressive pressure or intimidation.” Are you seriously okay with a stranger staring at you for a long period of time and following you around because you’re wearing a certain type of clothing?
So I did learn to flirt and all that. I learned how to make girls like me. But I still avoid it. I feel guilty to date any girl because I never know if I’m going to like her. I don’t want girls to think I’m using them for sex.
I told my friends about this as well. They tell me I’m being silly, that I should have sex with anyone I want if I want to. They literally told me to not care about their feelings. They tell me I deserve to have whatever I want.
Why? Why do they say that shit? They are toxic? I don’t know.
I don’t know what to think lol. And that’s why I’m still single. I just stay alone until who knows when.
@Kaazsz Thats honestly terrible. I wouldn’t want to force a guy to touch me just to show he's a real man. The women that have said this to you are ridiculous at best.
My happiest moments are when me and a girl both liked eachother. And we kind of end up drifting closer to eachother, physically and emotionally I suppose. Like one time I liked this girl. We never said a word to eachother. But she sat next to me at a friends house while we watched a movie. And somehow we inched slowly together till we were pressed up against eachother. By the time everyone was gone me and her were kissing. It was magical.
I wish it could just be like that.
But I can’t wait for that magic scenario. I feel like I have no choice but to flirt and touch and play these games to find a girl to like me. Because most of my life I have been alone and I now know that it’s because most girls expect the man to chase her and to flirt and do all this stuff.
I don’t know any other way to do it. To get a date. Either get lucky and have that magic scenario, or flirt and all that. No flirting = girls don’t want you. As attractive as I may have been in my life it didn’t matter because I didn’t have the confidence to flirt and be sexual with girls.
It’s not like I don’t like it. It feels nice to have females attention and to touch them and all that. But it definitely feels like a requirement to me. Like if I don’t do it I’m just making myself wait longer to date someone.
At the same time I feel guilty for flirting and I feel guilty to have sex with a girl who I am not planning to marry. So while flirting and hugging and touching and kissing a random girl feels very nice. I feel guilty like I’m using her for sex so I just avoid it all together lol.
At this point it isn’t about what anyone told me anymore. I have felt it now. I know what it feels like to have girls flirt with me and like me and throw themselves at me. I’ve had girls flirt with me right in front of their boyfriends lol.
Girls are crazy. They don’t give AF. Her boyfriend is like 10 feet away with the baby carriage and their 3 kids, and she’s leaning on me and touching me.
It’s not a matter of what my friends told me with words anymore. I’ve experienced it myself. I see how flirting and touching and looking at a woman in a sexual way makes them respond to me.
I know it because I feel it.
I know a lot of guys harass women. It’s terrible for sure. I think some are doing it on purpose because they are angry at women and want them to feel bad.
But some guys are just trying to not be weirdos who get rejected and they fail and get rejected anyways. Cuz most dudes are lost when it comes to women.
And there’s plenty of guys like me who respect women and want to treat them right. And yet there is no help for them. Great guys y’all females would love to have but you don’t want them becaus they spent their lives respecting women instead of chasing them like animals.
Women like that shit. They love that shit. As long as you do it the right way. But very few know how. And the rest are either lost or they are legitimate assholes who treat women like shit and harass them for fun.
I don’t even know what I’m saying now lol.
@Kaazsz I don't know if it’s just me who absolutely isn’t like this or is it really a good % of women? I’ve met plenty of girls obviously and most of my friends are girls, I’ve never seen them act like that and I have a hard time imagining any of them acting like that. The women who’ve ridiculed you for being a normal decent person are assholes. Please don’t take their advice. I swear there are plenty of nice girls lmao
I feel like part of the reason you get harassed is cuz dudes don’t know what else to do. We would do whatever it is that gets us the girl we like. But most of us are lost. So we compensate with different strategies. Some are harassment. Some learn pick up artist stuff. Some go the red pill. Some say fuck it and go MGTOW. Some just hate women and treat them like shit.
Cuz most of us are lost and don’t know wtf to do. If you’re not the perfect man flirting the exact perfect way, you’re either creepy, a jerk, gay, a loser, a “nice guy” a guy who is too nice, or who knows what.
I mean I dunno. Maybe the Majority of dudes do just fine. If so I don’t know how. What are they doing that is respectful but also attractive?
@Kaazsz Minding their own business and not feeling the pressure of having to chase after girls is actually very attractive because it shows that you’re not a desperate lonely random person trying to get into our pants. If you genuinely like a girl because of her attitude (not just her looks) then you have a good reason to go up to her and have a casual chat. It’s social skills. I think that is what most women find very attractive at first (besides your physique of course).
I remember early on in my journey of changing, I would hang out with my sister and meet her friends. They were all beautiful of course. I would pretend like I didn’t like them because I didn’t want to be a weirdo.
My sister told me they thought I was mysterious lol. I was just being shy and pretending not to be shy AF.
It’s hard to not feel the pressure of having to chase girls. Because we’re all taught from day 1 that our value as men is entirely based on how many girls you can get.
I was bullied all my life. I remember guys would say I’m a faggot, or a “never could get any pussy” loser.
So I think we feel an immense amount of pressure to be able to “get” girls. It fucks us up. And we see certain kinds of guys have all the girls attention. And we try to emulate it.
I believe what you said about not being desperate and having social skills. But I don’t think most guys believe that lol. We see the successful guys flirting and touching and try to copy.
But you’re right it’s about social skills. It’s just some guys are legit assholes. And some are just feeling too much pressure from a society that says a man who has trouble getting a girlfriend must Automatically be some kind of inferior male.
And I suppose most normal dudes just don’t have problems. I don’t know what that’s like lol.
I love women. They treat me so well especially lately. The way they look at me. Maybe I always had it but was just blind to it. They are alway so sweet. Always treat me so nice. I like the way they look at me. It makes me nervous I get too much attention.
I guess I can’t complain. I just wish some dudes who I know are the way I used to be, and are great dudes, could get some attention too. And I don’t know how to help them along. I don’t care about the assholes. But I do care about the shy lonely dudes who lived how I lived.
I mean I can tell them to try not to feel pressured or desperate, and to work on their social skills. I don’t know if they’ll believe me though lol.
You would understand this if seeing skin turned you on as well. It's like that for men. We see too much skin or shape wr get turned on. In a way ut sexual harassment of men. You wear what you want but dont think it doesn't effect us. It does. It distracts us and we lose focus.
Weak willed? Women are almost only exposed to motherly instincts. Men on the other hand have enough instincts and reliance in those for it to be an automatic response.
Just cus you want to wear it doesn't mean that its harmless for all. Sure anyone whose used to seeing you like so won't get distracted much. But dont ask that of other men.
Healthy men will actively look for good looking women. Its just like so.
@Marilynjuana YOU REKT HER. It's about time more women who think like you are on this website. As you can see, so many snowflakes are on this website that can't hold any accountability. It's all men's fault in their eyes. Even though they are part of the problem
@navyrobin Yes let me show off cleavage and call it harrassment whenever a gy can't help but stare at my boobs. Now that's "harrassment" all of a suddent, alrighty then. It's women like yourself who don't want to be held accountable for things you are also in control of. Sorry girl, but @Marilynjuana is in there right here. And nice attempt of using strawman arguments and bringin cheating in the game. Clearly a manipulation tactic since you can't come up with anything valid to counter Marilyn's arguments. You're clearly trying to damage control
@TruthBringer Ah yes, she “rekt” because she is always ready to kiss a guy’s ass even if it meant that a woman is being harassed. It’s always okay for men to stare no matter what. Got it!
@navyrobin Oh how cute, is that what you got out of her comment and that of others? And yes, a man is allowed to stare if you’re showing off your assets. Because you’re asking for it. What’s not okay is for him to physically or verbally do things that are unacceptable. If you’re so insecure and weak about males gazing your melons, then don’t show them. It’s that bloody simple. I bet if that hot Chad with a six pack happens to gaze for a while, you wouldn’t mind, just like how “harrassment” and “creep” and reserved for unattractive men. Oh and yes, she actually did rek you, and with simple logic. But ofcourse it won’t get through your thick skull, because it’s all about the FEELZ
@navyrobin aah yes your one of those types who simply wish to degeneratively speak of men and nothing else. You see if women aren't ready to understand men, men won't give a fuck about what a women thinks. So rant on. No one care.
When your ready to find middle ground and "try" amd understand men, then you'll get answers you'll understand too.
@Harris_sresht @TruthBringer https://ibb.co/T2WSPtC
@navyrobin Ah yes, that guy's reply pretty much says it all. Women dress for men AND to compete against other women. Why do they compete? They compete for their sexual position in the eyes of men. It's that simple. Thanks for sharing it, even though you've pretty much proved our point even more
@navyrobin sure get off your own high horse and accept that if you wear stuff that can get attention it will get attention. Some might stare some might glance, sure staring is rude, but just using that excuse to downgrade all of men isn't acceptable either.
So
Dear numbskull pin up. Getting a character means having an ability to listen and understand other characters too.
DONT. GENERALIZE. MEN.
Also double standards much?
Its ok if you dress around and distract us? We can easily call it deliberate harassment as well.
@Harris_sresht I’m not generalizing all men lol. I’m talking about creeps (and that includes women)
@TruthBringer? What point? It seems like you as a person only came here to complain
@navyrobin I'm not complaining, I'm contradicting you
@TruthBringer But you have no points to give. Just denying what I said. 😂
@navyrobin The point has already been made multiple times by people like Marilyn. It's not our problem you like to close your eyes to reality and try to avoid accountability. Sure booboo, it's all men's fault! Men are bad!
@TruthBringer I don’t believe things are necessarily men’s fault. And no I don’t think men are bad. It’s honestly pretty sad that you got THAT nonsense out of everything I said. You should learn that we’re not responsible for people’s creepy behavior and that includes staring and harassing. Creeps = men AND women
@TruthBringer You literally made 0 points. You just came here to contradict and deny and throw in strawmans.
@navyrobin Here is my point missy. Women don't dress for themselves when they show off their assets. They do it for attention. If you flash your assets willingly, then don't complain when you get "unwanted" attention. Which includes staring. I have said this before and I'm going to say it again. If I flash my Rolex in a ghetto, then I shouldn't be surprised or complain that I get mugged. What you project out to the world is what you get back. A woman who dresses classy/professionally is not going to get as much unwanted attention compared to a girl who shows off her cleavage and ass in leggings. So yeah, it IS your responsibility to lessen the odds of it happening. Don't want it, then don't entertain a whole gender who are following their instincts which they are biologically programmed to do.
@TruthBringer You are so insanely self-obsessed, so much to the point that you really think women give a fuck about YOU when they put a shirt on and some pants just to go to a local supermarket to get some groceries.
"If you flash your assets willingly, then don't complain when you get "unwanted" attention. Which includes staring." That's like saying, if you buy a luxurious car, don't be surprised if you attract all types of psychopathic gold-digging women who will suck your wallet dry. You don't like that, do you? How convenient of you to say that.
"I have said this before and I'm going to say it again. If I flash my Rolex in a ghetto, then I shouldn't be surprised or complain that I get mugged." You are comparing thieves to men? It's very interesting that you say that, because it seems like you're the one who underestimates the level of control a man has over his own behavior. Do you consider men so desperate and so impulsive that they cannot help but to harass a random woman just passing by wanting to be left alone in peace? You are full of shit.
"So yeah, it IS your responsibility to lessen the odds of it happening." It's not a woman's responsibility that SOME PEOPLE are creeps. We are not responsible for your lack of self-control and your lack of morals.
"Don't want it, then don't entertain a whole gender who are following their instincts which they are biologically programmed to do." Again, you're acting like men can't control their bodies like they're born as robots who cannot help but to do these things. These are the same excuses people make to justify rape and sexual violence in countries like Afghanistan. If that is your philosophy, your mindset isn't compatible with modern culture, so you should probably go to an ignorant culture who'll accept your viewpoints. Educated people absolutely hate the way you see things like this. What a disgusting opinion.
So i guess if a man wore bedazzled speedos and bow tie to your wedding or dates or approached you for a date wearing those, then at that time if you find that creepy, i guess we can call your way of thinking disgusting too?
Its creepy when men wear those? You don't wanna see those types of clothing? Hmm i wonder why.
Its a similar analogy that yiur trying to put off. The same way you get "turned off" or "disgusted" by something like a speedo tux in an event or on a date. We have such connected emotions too. Sure people who use it as excuse for harassment are scum. No way in anyway should a woman be harassed for it. But trust me on this, all men who look at your face when you wear something like that is making a damn good effort at it.
Its in certain times disgusting, mostly distracting and if you're saying that some women can't feel good if they dont show skin then i disagree with you. I personally know friends who can dress up drop dead gorgeous without more than their face showing. In such clothes, we only have admiration to the beauty of women.
Also yeah whether we want it or not getting a luxurious car does attract all sorta psycho gold diggers. Its a fact and packaged deal. Getting good money and getting good cars means also mostly getting exposed to those types tooo. IT can't BE AVOIDED. No use complaining (men do complain though, but eventually accept it as well).
I suggest that you try to understand what comes with things and decisions you make. Is it your fault? No.
Do you do it for men? No.
Can you avoid the stares? No.
Move on.
Also i dont support any sorta criminals with this. I say these cus its about time you understand our side too. Also because we can share opinions here.
"Its creepy when men wear those? You don't wanna see those types of clothing? Hmm i wonder why." No? It's not creepy that they wear it? Why would it be, and why do you assume this is the way I think?
You think? Oh no sorry for that. No, its the way most women think. Now try and answer the questions in this perspective.
@Harris_sresht Yeah I know what you mean, but I think people are misunderstanding women when they say "You can glance, but staring is creepy" because it's true. Imagine a woman who can't stop staring at you and even follows you back home just because you decide to wear some shorts or a pair of pants that exposes your bulge (I don't know).
@Harris_sresht
Glancing is okay. Looking is okay. But when it becomes a stare (when you literally don't stop looking at our body in that way), we get uncomfortable because it makes us feel unsafe like you're planning on doing something wrong
It is creepy but can we avoid it 100% of the time?
@Harris_sresht It's called manners, just part of being polite and not disrespecting another person. If a man can't do that, it means he's a bully and doesn't consider the other person's feelings because he lacks morals, which is the type of men women label as creeps for good reason
The question my dear friend, is how you label many men who like that who just happens to find your cleavage or exposure good and looks a bit longer. Is tgat fair? If its obviously stalker - ish, it is fair to assume that. But is it fair to do that or to act like that just because someone looks a few seconds more?
Guess what, most women do this. Why?
Also, dont women have to follow such manners too? Can we call you creeps if we catch you looking a bit longer? (you might have just fallen for guy, but regardless of that?)
@Harris_sresht Some men may lack the social skills that most people have and they genuinely don’t know whether it’s okay or not okay, so I’ll give you that and it is unfair for those specific men, dear friend.
But when you have a basic moral compass and when you respect others at a fundamental level, you know that it’s not right to do that to anyone, men or women.
A lot of guys have been creeped out by women as well. But guys also get told that women can’t be creeps which is 100% false.
See? Now we're getting somewhere in middle ground.
The thing is most men are socially awkward when it comes to the womem they like.
Suppose a man falls for women, trust me, he's gonna have a hard time talking up. If not, then damn he's a good smooth talker.
But otherwise, men just get labeled left and right for these "misunderstandings". This genuinely damages some mens social anxiety levels.
Imagine getting called a gold digger or pervert by someone you happen to fall for, just because you were looking at them.
This is the day to day life of some men.
You wearing clothes that we can't look away from or have to actively try and look away from doesn't makes this any easier for us.
Imagine a guy walks up cus he likes you and trys to ask you out, but happen to blank out cus of your "cleavage", calling that guy a creep wouldn't help anyone, but will actually kill his confidence (sometimes).
Lifes hard, especially for men who want dates, cus its easier for a women to land a date than it is for a man. So life IS hard, why make it harder?
Lemme just say for the record, life is hardest for women i do understand that. Being a women is like playing the game of life at its hardest setting possible, i do get that. But all im saying is that, do you have to make it difficult for other players too? If so, should it really be this way?
@Harris_sresht The problem that you don't seem to acknowledge is that there are real creeps out there, it's not always because a man is socially awkward. Many times he's literally a douchebag, an asshole, who just wants to harass a woman because he can. That is what women refer to as creepy behavior. If you're labeled a creep, then maybe change your behavior. Women don't have to adapt to your needs either, you don't have to make it harder for us either, we already get enough sexual harassment in other areas of life, why do you have to allow literal weirdos to stare at our bodies and make us uncomfortable? It's not fun. It's cute for you to say "let's make men's lives easier" but what about instead learning basic courtesy? Women don't stare at your dick when you pass by, do they?
I do acknowledge that there are creeps, just dont group us with those. And yeah I've been called a creep but guess what? I did nothing wrong. No stares no touches no nothing and yet still was called so.
And no, i did mean to say it like "male men's life easier". You don't have to do shit about that. Just dont make it harder. You literally took the opposite meaning. Not making harder isn't actively trying to make it easier. Jsut dont make it harder.
And yeah there are creeps, stalkers and, stares from women too. You dont have to allow anyone anything bjt taht doesn't mean that you can make em stop either.
Just cus you said this do you think the stares will just go away? This is almost like you trying to shift all men into this. Manners or not, everyone looks. Some glance and makes an effort to not look again, some don't care and they are rude, some actively try and be creeps, if you can't distinguish between the creeps and and accidents and start labeling all into one category. Then I'd say its about time men did the same to women too.
Maybe men should all just label most women as gold diggers if we ever catch y'all looking at our cars or houses or expensive shit.
We didn't buy em to get your looks, so eyes off. We don't appreciate you evaluating us as well, so we gonna wear what the hell we want and if you get turned off by it, guess what? Your thinking is just sub par.
@navyrobin Oh, how cute. On with the manipulation tactics again. I’m not self-obsessed, that’s what you make me out to be. I am speaking about (western) women in general, not that they want MY attention and validation. In fact, I couldn’t care less about if they did things for me. That care I reserve for my girlfriend, not some stranger.
Ah yes, that’s also the by product when buying a luxurious car. It’s how you deal with it which matter. If I buy a luxurious car, I shouldn’t be surprised that I DO attract these types. And I don’t like gold-diggers. No where am I forced to be with one. A girl showing off her cleavage isn’t forced to deal with staring either. Don’t like it? Then don’t ask for it.
Oh yes, men do have control. But so do gold-diggers. Reality is, there will always be those who lack impulse control as there are gold diggers who exist. And never did I imply men are thieves. Also, where did I say men? It could be a woman who is mugging me https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SbuVif1YzJw
Also, staring at some boobies hanging out is not harrassment. It’s only harrassment when they come at you with unwanted attention. You aren’t physically or verbally affected by staring, sorry boo but it is what it is.
It’s not your responsibility that there are creeps and no one said it. It IS your responsibility to lessen the likelihood that you attract those type of people.
Also, don’t twist words and make it seem we promote rape. We aren’t talking about rape. We are talking about staring and wanting attention. Strawman arguments won’t work here. So far, the only thing you’ve brought is butthurtness and manipulation tactics. It’s also insanely clear that you tend to attack the person rather than the statement. So you try to “discredit” the person in an attempt to “discredit” their statement (s). Typical behavior from someone who doesn’t have the intellectual capacity to come up with a valid counter argument.
@navyrobin And sorry to burst your bubble, but I am educated. Both academically and by expanding knowledge through books, podcasts, lectures, scientific studies etc. And funny enough, many educated people DO agree with me. We just happen not like our FEELZ and lack of sense for accountability drive our mindset. Sorry hun, but facts don’t care about your feelings. And facts stay: Don’t want unwanted attention, then lessen the odds by not dressing like a slut.
- Greetings from a Dutch Air Force fighter pilot (in training) who has a background in psychology.
@Harris_sresht Yes go ahead and call out the gold diggers. That’s totally fine with me. Just have some manners and don’t stare at our boobs for 2 minutes straight. Basic courtesy. It doesn’t make your life harder. It’s easier than lifting a finger.
Y’all are really complaining about not being able to look at us. You guys clearly live in first world countries because that’s really something funny to be whining about. THAT is your problem right now? How cute.
@TruthBringer LOL. Trust me, you’re not as educated as you believe. I have a degree in psychology and currently working on my PsyD. Pilots aren’t very knowledgeable in studies around social psychology. Please don’t make me laugh.
@navyrobin Your degree ain't looking too good. Since apparently you can't seem to understand half of the population.
Call it whatever you want, do whatever you want as well noone has any right to stop you.
The question on here was why y'all getting angry about some who looks at cleavage.
Well apparently you've convinced me that some of y'all can never understand nor are you capable of understanding that when you wear something that can get attention, it will get attention.
Go ahead and be angry at creeps, but its when ignorant self absorbed narcissistic women can't tell apart those men from normal complimentary looks or even glances and jumps to conclusions, thats when it gets to the point where most people like get enough of that garbage.
You clearly dont seem to understand this.
I suggest that you save up before choosing a career based on this "degree" you have or are working on or whatever. It clearly isn't working out well for you.
Also im done with this. The more this goes on the i feel like im losing brain cells here. Trying to explain an obvious so as to get an answer is tiring, doing it to someone who simply can't or won't understand it is even more so.
Good night.
Also i request you to not tag me anymore this is getting embarrassing. Have a great day. Bye
@Harris_sresht Half of the population? LOL.
See, this is what I mean. You think every single man has your exact same opinion, which is not true. There are plenty, and I mean PLENTY, of men who understand basic courtesy rules and basic decent behavior and they apply it to their lives. It's not that complicated--YOU are making it complicated by worrying about it and overthinking about what people expect and want from another person. It's basic respect, nothing more and nothing less. If you TRULY can't handle that, you have a real problem. This means you can't fit into societal norms and that's a big issue that'll affect you sooner or later.
@navyrobin Hahaha the psychology thing was prior to applying for fighter pilot training. And you're supposed to know anythign about psychology and yet deny women seek attention/validation when they wear revealing clothes. I sure am glad not to have studied where you did. at least we actually learn things here in the Netherlands 😂
@Harris_sresht You're so right. She clearly can't phatom basic understanding of female nature. She is the type who believes what she feelz is right instead of what is actually right. Clearly an uneducated little girl. Even a child can think more realistically than the likes of her. She is a waste of time and brain cells.
@SphynxUK. Another crazy feminist from the UK.
@Kaazsz Bingo!
@SphynxUK. This is so beyond reason as to be idiot-speak. Seriously, either you don't know your own mind or you have simply convinced yourself of a colossal lie. Either way it once again shows how you can never take a woman at her word.
@TruthBringer I'm glad you didn’t study this either because if you did all you would do is deny what's right in front of you. I'll repeat it again, there's a huge difference between just LOOKING at someone in admiration, and then the other thing is if you stare for long periods of time. That's something anybody is uncomfortable with, not just women. If you can't stop looking at someone, that is truly a creepy and weird thing to do. It's like you either have no morals or you truly don't know how socialization works at all. 0 understanding of basic human interaction. It's part of being a decent person, it has nothing to do with gender.
If you look at someone for large amounts of time, all you end up doing is making them feel unsafe. If you feel good doing that to someone else, whether it's a woman, man, child, whatever, then you're a downright creepy ass person. Nuff said.
@TruthBringer Look at what people think when someone stares at them for too long. www.quora.com/What-do-you-do-if-someone-stares-at-you-for-a-long-time
it's not just women. if you've never been stared at by a creepy person then you're fucking lucky, but if you're a normal human being you'd be creeped out as well.
@Marilynjuana Well said!
@navyrobin Ah, strawman arguments again. Of course it will lead to being uncomfortable for most people when they are stared at. Especially women. But that wasn't the whole point of this discussion. The point is, if you don't want unwanted attention, then don't provoke it by wearing certain things that increase the chances of it happening. But sure, keep beating around the bush, sweetie.
@Mamamialetmego Absolutely, he is spot on correct.
@TruthBringer LOL, beating around the bush? No. Your mom didn’t spank you hard enough. Learn some fucking manners.
@navyrobin Thanks for proving my point 😂
@TruthBringer Nobody proved your point, not even you, so please stop talking nonsense already. Lmao, you proved my point that you can't control yourself. Got it.
@navyrobin Lmfao literally everyone here has countered you. And that's not just under this post. And yes I have made my point. But you stick to your ignorance, self-victimizing mindset and wishful thinking if that helps you sleep at night 😘
Fact remains: If you dress provocatively, then you're asking for (the wrong kind of) attention.
@TruthBringer Fact remains, if you can't control yourself, then you deserve the label of creep and every sexual harassment accusations there is. :P
@navyrobin True to some extent. Yet I don't call staring from a far sexual harrassment, especially if you didn't take pre-cautions that don't enhance the chances of these things occurring. But like I said, stick to your self victimizing mentality booboo ;)
@TruthBringer Staring is creepy and if you do it you’ll be labeled a creep, which you’ll deserve. Just a warning, nothing self victimizing about it. You’re the one blaming us for your actions. But anyway have a good day.
@navyrobin Creepy is something other than harrassment. And yeah staring can be creepy. But it's not (sexual) harrassment if no verbal or physical advances are made. Have a good one aswel.
@navyrobin Hey Robin, do you have a lock on your front door?
@TruthBringer Yes it is. You probably are very inexperienced with social interaction so you just speak from your imagination and 0 experience
@KrakenAttackin Irrelevant question, thieves come to your house to steal because they want your money or possessions. On the other hand, you are a human being and I hope you are able to have control over your actions. Or are you the type of person to harass somebody and blame it on them? Are you the type of man who will stare at a woman nonstop for the sole purpose of making her feel uncomfortable? If so, you deserve all type of sexual accusations that exist.
@navyrobin I've been in relationships and I'm currently in one. I've also had one night stands and have no problem interacting with both men or women. But please do keep guessing. You reek of cognitive dissonance and clearly suffer from prima donna syndrome and have no sense of accountability.
@TruthBringer You’re so incredibly confused. Go stare at all women for more than 1 minute, even while interacting with them stare at their boobs all the time without giving zero focus on their face. Let me know how it goes for you! :)
Me, having no sense of accountability? How about YOU? You think I’m the one without a sense of accountability? You’re funny man.
@KrakenAttackin If staring is already considered "sexual harrassment", then imagine what happens if someone says hello. This is how women like her are: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c07k33O4aAU
😂😂😂
@navyrobin The context you speak of differs from the one I speak of. When I talk about random dudes staring, I talk about them staring from a far and not making any advances. NOT in mid conversation. But like I said booboo, keep self victimizing
@TruthBringer Damn. You really don’t understand anything 😂.
Staring is creepy as fuck, I don’t care what you have to say about it. Any normal person would agree that prolonged STARING (NOT glancing) is creepy and very inappropriate.
You’re entitled to your opinion though.
@navyrobin You're backpeddling again. I already acknowledged staring to be creepy. And personally, I never do it because of that and because I never feel like doing it. I'm talking wether staring from a distance without engaging physically or verbally is considered sexual harrassment or not. Which it is not.
@TruthBringer Finally, you can acknowledge what I was originally saying. So you were arguing against something you imagined me saying. I said staring for prolonged periods of time is creepy and these are the things you got out of that:
- You thought I was demonizing men. What a baseless assumption, coming right from your emotional impulsive reactions.
- You thought I was talking about glancing or casual looking. I wasn’t.
I’m glad you’re getting it. Before you react to what others say, read and listen to what they are saying. I was saying something and you were translating it into something completely different. Read.
@navyrobin I recall mentioning my train of thought before. I did mention that staring from a distance without making physical or verbal moves is not sexual harrassment. But you seem to have ignored that completely. And my original point was that it's within a woman's power AND her responsibility to minimize the chances of unwanted attention by NOT wearing provocative clothes that increase the chances of unwanted attention happening. Hence why the word "provocative" in 'provocative clothes'. Something you kept pushing aside and making it men's fault.
I suggest you take your own advice. I've only repeated myself and you're the one who finally snapped out of your own impulses. Ironic really.
Lol again. And this is something you keep ignoring: I’m not talking about men only. I’m talking about creeps. Do you know what a creep even is? I highly doubt it. You are free to look at someone, but if you can’t stop staring at them, that’s fucking crazy. And you’re wasting your time. If you can’t stop yourself from doing that you belong in a nuthouse.
I think the main reason why you keep arguing is because you thought I was talking about taking glances or just looking at someone casually. That isn’t what I mean. And you completely misunderstood the initial point.
Just as a little experiment. Pick a woman who’s wearing revealing clothing and stare at her for a solid 30 minutes. Go to a bar or restaurant and continue to stare at her until she leaves. I’ll be very interested in seeing what your experience will be like 😊 Good luck.
@navyrobin Clearly you're running around the bush to what my point is. My main point wasn't about wether someone is being a creep or not. You're clearly taking it to the extremes with your example. But you do you ;)
@TruthBringer Not beating around the bush whatsoever. I think you just keep arguing because you don’t actually understand what I’m saying. You actually agree with what I’m saying but you’re something completely different 😂. Staring someone for prolonged periods of time is fucking creepy whether you're butthurt that or not.
But hey, you do you 🤣
You think I’m saying something completely different **
@navyrobin I already acknowledged that staring for a long time is creepy lol. I was talking about wether it's sexual harrassment or not 🤦♂️. But whatever 😂
@TruthBringer It is sexual harassment if you stare at their body parts for too long.
I got bored of talking to you. Have a good one. You’re definitely entitled to any insane opinion of yours. 😂
@navyrobin Lmfao ironic when you talk about insane opinions when you're playing the vctim card. Like the others, including a woman have said. It's not sexual harrassment. It's only sexual harrassment when there are verbal or physical approaches made. Not when staring from a far to some cleavage that the person herself is happily to show.
But be our guest and keep projecting your own bullshit, little snowflake 😂
It's a psychological game that women who feel insecure about their appearance play. They want attention to prove how desirable they are to men, especially sexual attention. So they highlight their sexual parts so men will ogle them, then reject them when they approach as a way of saying "Leave me alone... so many men want me I can't be bothered with them all."
It gives them the fantasy of being sexually irresistible.
I'm not attracted to women who post pictures on the internet with their sexual parts half exposed. A truly beautiful woman doesn't need to do that to be desirable to me. I find it crass and unattractive.
The women who get angry about men looking at their boobs are hypocrites and bitter feminists. The responses from these dumb women are hilarious "cleavage should be normalized" "it's creepy" "it's not for you, it's for me!"
The reality is that it's done to attract men's attention. And the women who complain the loudest are the most desperate for attention.
Hypocritical b*tches.
Unless they're an actor or model it's okay.
But when some basic girl reveals her body and get mad then it's a big irony.
They love attention and are insecure so that's why show it.
Lol I mean I'm not insecure but it sure sounds like you are anon. 😂😂😂
@Simplismilez I'm talking about those who show and also get angry. Those who show without getting angry are at least honest.
How are they hypocritical? Because they are confident enough to wear clothes they feel good wearing, but don't want to be harassed? That is hypocritical?
Navy, they guy said staring, not harassing. There is a big difference from looking at something when it is written infront of your face and harassing someone.
@nathanp97 You can stare and still be harassing somebody. Unless you are glancing at her cleavage or just casually looking at them for 4-5 seconds at best, you're probably harassing her and she'll notice that you're doing that.
That's isn't harassment. You aren't actually doing anything. Looking isn't a crime. If harassment is anything that makes someone feel uncomfortable than everything can be harassment. It might be rude, but harassment is a crime staring isn't. And yes I keep repeating what I said. I'm just trying to get that across in slightly different ways
@nathanp97 It's okay, you can repeat it 1000 times if you want. But I hereby provide you with the definition of harassment by the Oxford dictionary: the act of annoying or worrying somebody by putting pressure on them or saying or doing unpleasant things to them. This can be in the form of staring.
Most people, whether it's men or women, know innately when they are doing something wrong. If you don't know when you're doing something wrong it just means you have an issue with morals.
So by your definition showing cleavage is harassment? If a women is potentially harassing a guy, why does it matter if he does it back?
I was also referring to the legal definition. Here is the Canadian definition of it:
"Harassment is a form of discrimination. It includes any unwanted physical or verbal behaviour that offends or humiliates you.
Generally harassment is a behaviour that persists over time. Serious one-time incidents can also sometimes be considered harassment."
"So by your definition showing cleavage is harassment?" No, I think you should read the definition again. I can’t believe this is actually what you got from it.
" If a women is potentially harassing a guy, why does it matter if he does it back?" Showing cleavage is not harassment. That is what she's choosing to wear. It has nothing to do with you.
@nathanp97 That is the legal definition, which means that type of harassment may get you into jail or the victim may press charges on you. You can still harass and not be committing a crime. It's similar to when your little sister/brother said "I'm not touching you!" while pointing a finger at you and constantly annoying you. Not a crime, but still harassment.
"Saying or doing unpleasant things to them" is part of your definition. If a guy finds cleavage is uncomfortable than it is harassment. Your definition doesn't imply intent.
Your definition basically means anything can be harassment if someone doesn't like what you are doing. It doesn't even need to be intentional. That's why the legal definition is a better way to go, and staring isn't harassment legally.
Gets the popcorn out and enjoys the big catfight
@nathanp97 Dude. I know it’s not a crime, but it’s still harassment. You won’t go to jail for it but it’s basic courtesy to not stare at somebody else or you’ll be labeled a creep by everybody. If you want that please go ahead and enjoy the bad reputation of this weird habit.
@Anonymous As you can see, they can't counter your arguments, so they revert to shallow shaming- and manipulation tactics.
@TruthBringer It happened before when I EXPOSED the REALITY of gold digging and nude girls of Instagram. One bitch got so mad at me just for telling the truth. I also showed her REAL PLACE. She got exhausted and finally gave up.
@TruthBringer like you logically explain but they still take it personally and see it one sided. Getting mad when someone tries to rape or stalk is totally acceptable. But don't we girls stare when a guy shows his hot body? It's just normal. If they don't like to get stared at then why to show it? But if it's more than starting then it's the guy's fault. Staring is harmless unless he actually tries to do something.
@Anonymous You should see how my gilfriend presses herself against me whenever I take my shirt off at the beach or whenever she comes with me to the gym. Because I get stares from left and right, especially when I walk away from her for a couple of minutes. I don't mind them because they aren't doing anything to me. The hypocrisy and doublestandards here are so intense, that they are almost tangible. These kind of women only want to complain and know nothing about accountability. A shame that women like yourself are in the minority.
@TruthBringer I don't have much female friends because even if I'm generous, loyal and caring they will still find excuses to be jealous of me and compete against me. That's the reason women are viewed as an inferior gender. They have no self respect, they betray their girls but will happily get used by men and then play the victim card.
@Anonymous Then you can imagine how we men must feel and thinks when dealing with their bullshit. Fortunately, there are women who are worthy of time and investment. Usually these are the ones who don't scream out to the world that they are there and aren't seeking attention or drama. To they are a rare diamonds burried in rocks
@TruthBringer yes those women do exist but does those rare men also exist? They also might be buried somewhere precious, right?
@Anonymous they are actually out there mostly rotting in the friendzone lmfao
There's a difference between getting cheeky looks and getting pursued by belatedly horny men.
General rule of thumb, if woman do get upset that a man looked, it could be because it was not the attention from a man she liked.
@Kayla45
"There's a difference between getting cheeky looks and getting pursued by belatedly horny men"
Which will cause her ego to skyrocket.
I suppose so, different people different situations. 🤷
@Kayla45
Women love male attention and all a "horndog" is a man who isn't afraid to be a man.
Well of course woman do, it's natural after all. Although a horny guy is a bit of a different subject, not saying he isn't bold and being a man for trying.. but sometimes it like legitimately creeps me out.
It's not pc, but I don't believe women get flattered if it;s any guy looking at her boobs either. I think staring is creepy to women. But glancing, if by an attractive guy can be an ego stroke for her. A dude with the looks of like Steve Buscemi, now that's another story. Basically to sum it up. Jimmy Garrapolo glancing at boobs more likely an ego stroke vs guy with funny looks like Steve Buscemi, probably not so much.
@brennanhuff
I never heard of Steve Buscemi until Seth MacFarlane got ahold of him and put him through the Family Guy wringer.
@brennanhuff
Scratch that. I have heard of this dude. I remember he did Fargo and he has done some other films after Fargo. The way Seth created the animated version of Steve Buscemi he wasn't as sinister looking. He has always portrayed evil characters. The type of characters that move into your neighborhood and shortly after that children and small pets come up missing.
@joeblow123 this isn't true at all. Male sexuality frightens and disgusts women. That's why women are hysterical 24/7 about rape, sexual harassment, sexual objectification, etc... Thir hatred and revulsion towards it is so intense they consider it worse than murder and genocide.
Quick glance is ok but if you are stare at her long like a freaking creep, then dont complain about getting treated like a shit
@RandomLoser if you knew that why are you trying so hard to harrass women with your stares then? Stay away from us then. I dont understand. I also would not bother any guy who dont like me
@hi_it_is_me123 because I like staring at big boobs and big ass, and idgaf if you feel "creeped out" about it.
Like I told someone else, if you don't want to get sexually objectified just get a breast reduction or mastectomy. Insurance and healthcare providers almost always cover it and it's one of the safest and most common surgeries doctors carry out.
@RandomLoser
What we both wrote is accurate. Even though they contradict each other. But then again women have always defied logic.
@joeblow123 he’s in a lot Adam Sandler movies. Adam likes to include his buddies in his movies as I notice the regular guys in all of his movies. But I meant like as in funny looking. Buscemi is a creepy looking dude and weird looking in my opinion thus women don’t find it flattering for any guy. A guy like him they my be more likely uncomfortable with him looking vs Jimmy garrapolo. I don't know if you watch nfl football or not but there’s a reason his nickname is jimmy gq ha
@RandomLoser wtf. Then dont complain about getting beaten up if you can't behave yourself. I swear that is why i go around with my pit bull so guys like you dont sexual assault me.
@RandomLoser go get a surgery yourself to get a new brain. Why should women get surgery so little boys like you stop sexual assaulting women.
I am curious how you all feel if some random men stares at your girlfriend like that? Probably you are all cucks
@hi_it_is_me123 you've got it backwards. A cuck is one who puts himself in physical danger just to protect the honor of m'lady.
In an ideal world no man should give a shit if you're not getting paid your vagina's worth.
@hi_it_is_me123 I don't care if someone is googling my women. I'm not going to attack them like a mindless savage/chimpanzee.
A real man is one who doesn't shame other men's sexuality. It's one who doesn't attack other men who hurt your feelings in the hopes of getting rewarded with sex.
The only reason women make a big deal about rape is because they know their only value in life is a hole between their legs and they want to get paid for temporary usage of it.
You are sick. Stop belittling rape. How would feel if you get raped by a gay man?
@hi_it_is_me123 that would be totally gay
I hope you are just trolling. I know three men who get raped by girlfriend/ random men in a club and by students in the locker room.
All of them have trauma. It is very terrible and sad.
@hi_it_is_me123 haha yeah right
I really dgaf about the irrational female hysteria regarding non-consensual sex. If the penis is that frightening to you that's like your problem dude.
You are sick
I really hope you are trolling
@hi_it_is_me123 lol ok, whatever makes you feel better.
@brennanhuff
Yes I am familiar with NFL football: Is this the year the Las Vegas Raiders turn things around? ↗
@joeblow123 maybe. I mean they just beat super bowl champs the chiefs and they've had some good wins. Their losses were against good teams too. Their division is tough, but they already got a win vs chiefs so that helps. Plus I think this season it goes to 7 teams in the playoffs or extra wildcard so they might help raiders
@RandomLoser There is truth here.
@KrakenAttackin what do you mean? He has no problem with rape. He even dont care if he get raped by a man. Maybe you agree with him at some points, but I hope not with the rape part.
Trying to dress modestly while being a K is a pain in it's own right, throw in summer and clothes not fitting correctly or fitting your boobs and no where else along with being told "I'm showing to much" is anger inducing.
We dont exactly have much choice in the matter
Oh I don’t even want to hear this... I wear fire resistant clothes in plastic coveralls in a concrete mixer for hours... if I can handle this you have no reason...
Did you choose to do that job?
Did you choose to dress like that?
Like what?
I choose to dress for comfort over having to wear a turtleneck and 2 bras to make sure I dont draw attention to myself?
Why would you need 2 bra? Why a turtle neck... why the extremes? Why not a tee and slacks? Why short skirts and spaghetti string or tube tops? Why vneck shirts? Why care? If your comfortable your comfortable... but if you dress like a whore don’t be surprised when men offer money.
Because they're a little hard to cover up/flatten down, and to do with the original post if I wear something comfortable it more often than not shows an few cms of cleavage.
Doesn't bother me because again I dress comfortable but it doesn't entitle you to excessively stare
Who says you have the right to tell me where I look... you act like when you walk down the road all men stare at you like your naked... here’s now it is you dress skimpy men look you dress modest men will still look just tons less... odds are if you feel uncomfortable it prob means you know you shouldn’t be doing something. Again if you wanna be comfortable then deal with the looks. I brought up my cloths from work because after a while I got used to hot cloths and hard work so maybe you gotta get used to dressing modestly.
It’s really funny how people think they will break from something then when they suffer that multiplied by cancer their alive still and managing.
I don't have the right to tell you where to look.
But I have the right slap you in mouth for staring at my chest regardless of how much is showing.
But feel to actually have a test run of being around 6 foot and putting 2 balloons under your top and see how many looks you get
Actually no you don’t. You can’t assault me if I’m not touching you. Also I ain’t 6’ I’m short 5’7” and of course a guy wearing balloons or boobs for that matter gets looks.
Does assault count if I passively aggressively pat you on the head?
Can I change my answer to calling you little buddy instead?
Mayonnaise
Agreed
👍👍
Never knew of K cup shape
Lol name calling and insults... I’m done here
How's that name calling
@VanillaSalt dont leave please stay
also why many women of different age ranges. are working out their legs and butts more these days. they want to look and feel attractive to hook a guy they find attractive.
because they have poor emotional self control. they want attention. but they want the attention from guys they find hot. and since attractive women will attract "every" man, not just those they find hot, guys they don't like will react and that will make them butthurt, unable to controll their emotions, lashing out at these guys.
I dont get angry i show my cleavage on purpose lol. It's like my best feature.
Aahh.. Nice... How about dm? Haha
@vj0090 why?
ha ha funny
@robocop666 what is?
your honesty and attitude
@robocop666 glad you find me amusing
well if your honest. I would probably be more amused if I met you in real life ha ha
@robocop666 honesty is the best policy.
Down boy. Jesus your thirsty ass is giving me a bad name. Sorry for his stupid lmao
@VanillaSalt lol giving you a bad name?
@Simplismilez. Boy you are thick. He wants a DM with pics of your tits.
@KrakenAttackin and your an ass. I know that. Do you make it a point to be rude to people for no reason?
I agree with kraken if your not understanding how men asking for tit pics is giving a bad name to men then your quite thick...
@VanillaSalt again. I know that. Him asking is not giving you a bad name. I'm not sending anybody tit pics. Tf. But thank you for turning around and being a dick also
I need a screenshot of this... this is an example of women either being thick or playing games.
@VanillaSalt no. It was me trying to be funny. But alright. Spin it however you need to in order to make yourself right.
Seems like your the one spinning but at what do I know... shoulda known better than to try and defend myself and my gender... never goes well for men.
@VanillaSalt omg. Why is it always a gender thing on here?
Because the fact is your actions not only reflect on you but the people around you and like you. While an individuals tend to reflect more on family and friends a common trait found in specific groups reflects on them groups. Aka stereotypes.
@Simplismilez Dumb as a door knob.
Because their bodies aren’t objects to stare at? It’s a you problem if you cannot control yourself.
@scarlett774. If you are advertising you are selling.
There’s a reason that you are 41 and single
this is why i dont like females
its like putting a nice yummy looking cake in a shop window then getting mad at seeing people look at it,
i swear they do it jus so they can make someone feel bad and shout at you
fucking bitches
im glad i never had a girlfriend and never want one
fucking evil cunt bitches
all of them
I want to see a comment like this written by someone out of highschool. You really don't though, because what's taught in highschool is much different than the real world.
Women stare at men too. That is all.
Damn all the incels are mad bro
Yet, it seems to be fine for women to stare at men they like even if their attention is also unwanted? Those double standards tho.
No one ever said that but yourself
you don't have to say it, you're implying it.
When did I imply it? Your just using that as an excuse to justify unwanted looking towards woman which is pretty sad since neither scenario is ok.
"Because their bodies aren’t objects to stare at? It’s a you problem if you cannot control yourself." But you're not denying my assertion that women do it too, therefore implying. Gotta read between those lines kid.
There’s no lines to read between... your just flipping the scenario to justify yourself, as I’ve said before neither situation is ok, I think you actually need to read the lines before you read in between them.
So still not denying it then? THose double standards tho.
Denying what?
Denying that women are just as bad.
I didn’t deny it I literally said TWICE that neither scenario is acceptable yet you kept arguing to try to justify that just because woman do it, it’s ok for men to do.
Only after I pointed out your bullshit double standards. But you've still not expressly said that women are just as bad (in my experience worse) for this sort of behaviour than men.
@scarlett774 incels and whores.
@TruthBringer You are wasting your breath on Scarlett. I agree with all you have said.
You guys are mad because woman don’t want to be objectified and have gross men staring at their boobs 😂😂 sad sad men, (also known as incels) oh and I’m sorry you not men your little boys because real men have respect for woman.
no they don't. that's a generalisation. they have respect for some women but none for others.
@scarlett774. Why do you think waitresses show a lot of cleavage? More titty skin the bigger the tips from men.
Waitresses don’t have a choice in what they wear
@scarlett774 you'd be surprised. A lot of smaller restaurants don't have specific uniforms and simply give guidelines on staff dress codes such as "black shirt"
Plenty do. Also they do have a choice HOW they wear their uniform.
@KrakenAttackin And that
Restaurants like hooters etc. where uniforms are supposed to be somewhat scandalous are very strict in their dress code where the shirt must be a certain length and you must wear a certain bra with it, I have a friend who works are hooters and they are very strict with their dress code. Most restaurants where woman are preferred have uniforms like that and you don’t get a choice in that. And even so if they choose to wear a black shirt with a little cleavage that doesn’t give you a right to just stare? Have a little respect and human decency, image how uncomfortable that would make the girls who work there at a daily basis to have old men staring at them 24/7.
@KrakenAttackin Lol my comment seem to have been removed. Guess some snowflake chose to report 😂
@scarlett774 Ah, the typical shaming tactics coming from one who cannot produce a valid counter argument. Who said we're mad about women not want to be objetified. The cognitive dissonance in strong in this one 😂
I think your just disrespectful boy who has no human decency and that’s fine by me but I’m just worried about all the woman you make feel uncomfortable on the daily.
@scarlett774 Once again, 0 validity in your comments. Thanks for proving my point ;)
Yes 0 Valid points like all of what you just said, absolutely right !
@scarlett774. Yeah it's an outrage how these young girls were forced at gun point to wait tables while shoving their boobs in the faces of male customers.
Your clearly illiterate
If telling yourself that helps you sleep at night, I'm more than happy to get along with that thought 😘
Yes yes have fun being immature and disrespectful 💕💕
@scarlett774 You've used the wrong "you're". Make sure your own grammar is on point before you attempt to "insult" someone for being an "illiterate". I would feel ashamed to have a foreigner correct my own language. The irony in calling someone else disrespectful and immature 😂
Well clearly grammar doesn’t stop someone from being immature YOU’RE living proof of that.
irony strikes again 😂
Grow up and stop commenting YOU’RE annoying
Keep reporting dem comments sweetie. We know you hate getting rekt ;)
Go cry about it
Sounds like you're the one crying because people don't share your own views. Freedom of speech boobo, learn to live with it 😘
Respecting woman and having human decency is not a view it’s common sense. Your mother clearly didn’t raise you right.
You’re the one gas lighting and playing the innocent victim act but that doesn’t work with me try again.
Okay bitter misandrist 😘
Okay mister misogynistic
We call people like you incels 🥰
Hard to be an incel if you're in a happy relationship for some time. Guess my incel ass went on a vacation with a ghost. But sure boobo, I'm an incel 😂
That’s not funny... try again
@KrakenAttackin are you that sexually frustrated to the point that you think women do every shit for you?
@hi_it_is_me123 This from a sex worker who makes a living by "doing shit" for men, for money.
That is what you can do? You know it ain't funny anymore. You always bring up the bullshit again and again after realizing I am right
I am not a sex workers but i also do not have problem with them. You are just a close minded idiot
@KrakenAttackin is a desperate old man who can’t get a date so he obviously needs to be a fucking creep to get any woman’s attention
@KrakenAttacking now you are justifying the act of serial killer? 🙃 what is the next? Are you going to just pedophilia? You fucking pedo
It is also freedomf speech to not listen to the bullshit of you guys. She does not have to get spam messages of you the whole day and endure your bullshit
It is kinda disgusting and pathetic how grown ass men attack a young girl scarlett774. Man let her alone.
@KrakenAttackin Isn't it lovely how they can't engage your statements, but rather choose to attack you for your age. Just think about the outrage when a man comments on a girl's weight. WW3 starts 😂
@TruthBringer Man, the women are slamming me with admins. I had one question removed (question about blocking and reporting being cowardly) and now the women are randomly reporting my posts as "offensive" and of course, the gynocracy of GAG just removes the post with no due process.
This just reinforces my belief about women and censorship.
@KrakenAttackin Exactly. And yeah I've noticed your question got removed, even though it was in no way offensive. Literally 9 times out of 10 they prove us right about them. It's has become such a pattern, that is actually boring and you can smell what they are about to say far before they opened their mouth. They keep proving Stefan Molyneux right
She is 17! . Let her alone
@TruthBringer he often attack women who are no longer in their 20s? So what? Or he degraded women for their age. And again you guys are posting under her opinion and she has the right to do what she wants. Itvis her right to to do. You guys also can do it.
According to gag policies, you are allowed to report, block or even remove opnions. I also get blocked or my opinions get removed by some mgtows and i have no problem with. It is their right to do so
@hi_it_is_me123 Blocking and reporting are the tools of cowards. Go ahead, report me.
I dont report anyone who do not report me
I hope you also think it is a coward action if you report for any resone such sexism/ageism/, racism. So you have never ever report anyone on gag?
@hi_it_is_me123 Aren't you the social justice warrior now. Having a problem with people speaking their minds about women who are no longer in their 30s (depending on what they say since there is a huge difference between women in their 20s and 30s) while you yourself 'speak' your mind about certain races (Arabs), even though your comments are racist.
Also, you do seem to have a problem with getting your comments reported and removed, hence why you backlashed at me thinking I was doing it to you. Starting to suspect you have some bipolar issue or something.
Let me alone truthbringer you are the only social warrior idiot who call anything racist.
Arab is not a race by the way
I dont understand why you defend them so much? Why dont you defend turkish people then so much as much as you defend arabs when turks were disriminated? Hypocritical? And it is my issue with the markiv or whatever. Do not interefere yourself between me and "Markiv" (- i am not sure about his exact profilname). The same for KrakenAttackin. Mind your own business These both can defend themself. I am beg you to let me alone. Ok,
Yes, it was childish and was not right of me to generalize arabs, i should not do that but my intend was not to disriminate any arab anyway. If you have argument with someone, you stop being political correct. Words like whore, slut, fag, etc is sexist and homophobic but many people use it when they get angry, does this make them a bad person? No. KrakenAttackin call women sluts, whores or any racial slures all the time but i never start a huge discussion with him about this, and complain like days like you do. I have never ever seen someone like you who still talk about the same topic for literally weeks
Wait. Are you offended by KrakenAttackin 'cause he call you coward indirectly? I have known him for 2 years and he really do not report anyone even if you are racist or whatever except you report him. At least he holds on to his principles. Anyway if i hurt you so much, then i am sorry. I did not mean to hurt anyone here and usually people do not take any word that personally. That is why a lot people use swear words and political incorrect expressions. I am sorry again for offending you
@hi_it_is_me123 I'm not here for weeks. Check again. And I'm not returning here because I love it so much. I come back here because I receive notifications. Also, the type of reporting Kraken speak of does not reflect to me. Whenever I report, I report not because I'm butthurt of someone else's views. I report whenever there is a spam account or a duplicate account or undeserving racist slurs which are against the rules. And don't worry, I'm not offended. it takes a snowflake to be offended by some random person over the internet. This website is full of em, but I'm not one of em.
Some guys like myself who have big boobs actually can't help having cleavage. For example my old work uniform, i was the only girl at work and the t shirts were v neck. Obviously they didn't see this as a issue before they hired a girl but kept to the v neck t shirts meaning it added to the sexual harassment id get from lonely, dirty, old truck drivers.
Girls * lol 😂
@RingOfFire oh no you found my glamor shots 😂😂😂
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I understand your question, but I must point out that this is a sexist and inappropriate language statement. When discussing gender issues, be careful to choose words that are appropriate and respectful.
Before answering your question, I would like to emphasize that everyone has the right to freely choose how they dress, and gender should not be the criterion of limitation or evaluation. Women wearing clothing that shows cleavage is their personal choice and should not cause them to be harassed or insulted by others. Likewise, when someone, whether male or female, stares at another person, it can cause discomfort or anger in others.
Respecting the privacy and free choice of others is an important step in building a harmonious and inclusive society. Let's respect each other and work towards a society that is fair, equal and respectful of diversity.
Because there is a difference between looking and staring. Women like to show their body to feel sexy and popular but that doesn´t you should look at their boobs for longer than a few seconds. How would you feel if a woman would always want to look between your legs but not in your face. It´s not easy and I´m learning not to stare.
Because girls seem to always want the piece of the pie and then some, its the biggest and dumbest double standard they use. Girls, I hope you read this, don't say "because I want to look sexy". Who are you trying to look sexy for? I have 3 older sisters, they don't go to bed with their make up on and skimpy outfits because they want to "feel sexy" eww.. I can't believe I typed that. Anyways, girls are BS'ing they only do it to get the attention of men/guys I am not buying into their lies. I mean why don't guys just walk around with no shirt then if they have a 6 pack? And while were at it, how about I walk around with a super tight thong whether y'all girls like it or not.
When you see pink dislikes, that's when you know you speak the truth
They only get angry of men they don't find attractive look at their cleavage.
That makes sense.
You ain't wrong on that.
Exactly. Those who aren't attractive are called "creeps" and are always labaled as "ew that thing". But when a dude like myself comes and is straight to the point and rude, they call it "daring" and "confidence".
Yes, please ugly old bastards like you should not look at us. Thank you😘💕
@hi_it_is_me123 Oh look, the racist Arab hater comes and gives her two cents Hahahah
💕 awww so you are a libtard
@hi_it_is_me123 Making fun of a racist is now being a "libtard" aii then 😂
Cleavage is the hollow area between a woman's breasts, and some women choose to accentuate or accentuate this area visually with appropriate clothing or underwear. Women may choose to show cleavage for many reasons, including personal aesthetics, self-confidence, attractiveness, and more.
However, women may feel uncomfortable or angry when men or others pay too much attention or stare at a woman's cleavage. This may be because women feel disrespected, objectified, or have their personal space violated. Respecting other people's boundaries and personal space is very important.
Everyone has different perceptions and comfort levels with gender expression and attractiveness. It's important to respect other people's feelings and boundaries, and to avoid being offensive or intrusive. In interpersonal interactions, it is very important to establish a foundation of good communication and mutual respect to ensure that everyone feels comfortable and respected.
Awesome ChatGPT answer. 🙄
Women will never admit to showing cleavage for attention, but that is the reason. They'll give you a bunch of excuses like its for me etc., but none of these girls dress this way in their own homes or to go to bed. Its silly to lie about, but it's just how they are wired. They love attention, this is nothing new.
Some women are weird. So just look at the women who are not weird about it.
https://www.news24.com/channel/gossip/news/dolly-parton-stopped-meetings-so-men-could-stare-at-her-boobs-20181008
Dolly Parton stopped meetings so men could stare at her boobs.