(Be honest) True or false: Most women don't want a man who'll treat them well and highly value them because he comes off desperate, needy, and weak?

[Anonymous]

Women don't want a man who'll immediately tell them how he feels, will make them feel special, and will treasure her day and night (even without sacrificing his self-worth or dignity), because this type of guy comes off as "easy to get," thus, not valuable, special, or worth it, and so, women don't feel valuable, special, or worthy being with an "easy to get" guy who really likes her.

Instead, women want guys who treat them like utter dogshit, because the woman seems like "just another chick" to him, like she's not special, so she'll want to be with him more under the subconscious belief that he's high-value (even if he's not) because only high-value men would not unintentionally "put a woman on a pedestal" (regardless of the first kind of guy doing that or not), and that the guy must be a real rock star/player/millionaire to treat women, especially the individual one he has his attention on, with such wanton disregard.

In other words, the less you act like you want/respect a woman, the more she'll want you.

35:50: "I'm too weak for this conversation right now!" (That's like some shit I expect a drag queen to say!)

True; most women love assholes and hate "good guys."

True; but for another reason.

False (I'll explain why).

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Most women would like to be treated well.
Most women find higher status and powerful men attractive.
Most women’s self esteem is boosted by having a high status partner (just like men are boosted by having a pretty one).

So now we get into how the above can conflict: when a man seems desperate, that makes him seem low status hence undesirable. But you can see all sorts of romantic stories women love where some powerful man falls for the heroine and it’s romantic. The difference of course is that he’s already established as a high status male with a lot of options. So instead of seeming like a desperate loser, it instead flatters her - this powerful man wants her!

So women aren’t lying when they say they’d like to be treated well. The challenge is that most men are entering the scenario with low status/power to begin with. The fact they’re hitting on her at all makes them lower status. So average guys need to balance things, giving the impression they have options and a full life.

it is, to be honest, probably EASIER for men to act like players and be a jerk to be attractive than it is to hit the balance. But the balance is possible. At least with some women. Some women see any attempt to please as weakness. Probably women with that mindset are bad long term partners.

[Asker]

"So women aren’t lying when they say they’d like to be treated well. The challenge is that most men are entering the scenario with low status/power to begin with."

"The fact they’re hitting on her at all makes them lower status."

"guys need to balance things, giving the impression they have options and a full life."

"it is, to be honest, probably EASIER for men to act like players and be a jerk to be attractive than it is to hit the balance. But the balance is possible."

"SOME WOMEN SEE ANY ATTEMPT TO PLEASE AS WEAKNESS."
Sounds like every single one early-twenties me ever talked to. I'm more blackpilled now to ever go back to being Mr. Good Guy.

BRILLIANT analysis, sir! Thank you!

[Anonymous]

Less is more.

[Barbaric]

That's not true. The main problem is that a lot of guys think that treating a woman well means putting her on a pedestal and treating her as if the sun shines out of her ass. Sometimes even to elevate her at the expense of themselves. It's possible to be nice and treat a woman well without being self-deprecating. Women aren't attracted to men they don't respect, and they can't respect a man who doesn't respect himself.

[Anonymous]

Any self respecting woman wouldn't let any man treat her like shit lmao.. Do you meet many girls like this? 🤔

I dont know about you guys but in my circles no one literally NO ONE thinks like this. In fact read books made by women (esp more recent ones like 2000 ) and you'll see they want men who treat them like a queen. Even songs and movies are like that.

[Asker]

"Do you meet many girls like this?"

MOST women are like this (in my opinion).

> "Oh I know he's bad for me, BUT I LOVE HIM! Why do I keep choosing assholes, girl?"

"you'll see they want men who treat them like a queen"

Which makes him a simp, beta, etc. Not high value. Not worthy of her attention. Not respected by her. Also, WHY does any women deserve to be "treated like a queen?" There's nothing that say men should be treated like kings. Why is the attention only ever one-sided, but it's "wrong" if a man were to ever act so selfishly.

[Opinion Owner]

Tbh you sound like someone hurt you. You must have a lot of issues bro lol maybe you gotta meet the right women. i've never heard women talk like that. Not even when we girl talk. Not when I was a teen and not now. I should meet these girls you talk to. 😂😂

One-sided? Men have been treated kings for almost the entire human history. The phrase "treated like a king" is not new either. Where have you been living? Lmao

[Asker]

No one hurt me. I'm through with believing in "good women" and genuine relationships. They don't exist, and most people end up bringing down each other's lives more than anything.

I'm just so sick of the bullshit and double standards. And sick of women who whine about "being hurt" by bad men, when they 100% bring it on themselves by choosing them, in the first place.

It's like, if "good guys" are betas, and "bad guys" are toxic, then what the blue fuck do you want? Someone passive and dismissive? That's the annoying thing. The more a man tries, the less worthy he is of a relationship. Meanwhile, women just have to sit on their asses and contribute nothing on their end except maybe not getting fat. It's such a fucked up system, and I see younger guys get hurt by it, all the time.

"Men have been treated kings for almost the entire human history."
Uh oh. I guess you're a feminist. Never mind.