Why is it when women expect men to be traditional it's ok but when a man expects a woman to be traditional it's sexist?

[LoveIsFake]

[blank_expression]

Traditional man implies that he may have value in stability longevity for her to nest. Traditional woman once represented her value as mother and homemaker. However, that terrible concept of traditional applied to a woman is marked by a terrible oppression that she must undergo, per the Cultural Marxist dogma indoctrination. The new reality is that women have been programmed such that their apparent “oppression” has been re-assigned from men to a new master that is distributed through the Cultural Marxist ether. What appears to be happening is that while women are young and on that hormonal high they possess a slewed energy that assimilates the one derived from testosterone so that they can be swayed to be male-minded living in somewhat of a Twilight Zone between biology and feminism. As soon as that young hormonal high begins to dwindle around 30, that career male-like-conditioned mind begins to lose that testosterone-like assimilation and the biology starts to dominate and take over once more. By this time, they usually have so many miles, that the man-beast market has dried up, and traditional is non-existent. Well, their newfound awakening now begins to seek permanence, as do 60-80yo men seek. When this happens, they now look for the traditional ones, because more studs-man-ship is the least thing on their minds at this point. Nope, those once man-haters (still are), propaganda and hormonal driven, are now seeking traditional refuge. However, don’t be fooled by those that pretend to be traditional while young, they are just playing a much more deceptive game because they are simply craftier and not in your face. Women are children (ask Don Corleone lol) and the fact that they seek a traditional man is, that after all that feminism, men are bicycles…sh…don’t need a man, bla, blal, they seek the male traditional stability. Because now after all that bs of being misled, they can finally see, their career has plateau-ed, they shall work ‘till they are dead, pay bills ‘till they are dead, and with no gain in sight from that other than basic survival—no promised light of female domination (packaged as equality) at the end of the tunnel. However, with anything, a split moment of fate/choice can permanently define one’s outcome with no recourse. The new true traditional is huge distributed cat farms.

[Qdbrown]

This is a bad discussion. A woman will agree about the double standard, but will think nothing of kicking you to the curb if your not being a traditional man, paying for dates, being polite, chivalrous, and showing her you will defend her with your life.

Of course while she is young she will like them exciting, rough and hard. You talk to a woman chasing the bad boy, she will all ready agree she is not into that, right now. Not until she has been used and abused enough.

At the end of the day, the woman is to choose to be the guy she feels like has the best options for her, and that she feels like there some promise. There's no arguing what that standard is, because she will betray that standard to go after what she really wants everytime. Everything else is just words.

[btbc92]

Because realistically, we are living in the world where we must adapt. A man is a man. He has to do what he needs to do. He wants sex so much come all the stuff, it comes with conditions, rules, and expectation. He cannot just hop around school around and think there's not going to be any consequences to this. There is always a price to pay when you choose to get involved with a woman. If you don't want the responsibility, they out of relationships and don't be having sex. It's just that simple.

Wilmington only handle but do but so much. We cannot handle all of your jobs. Many of us have no choice but to do so because a lot of you don't want to do that. Or you want to do that would you only want to do it if it benefits you and you gain control. That's not how that works. That is not what God called for you to do. He didn't say for you to control us. It is safe for you to abuse, he didn't say for you to mistreat us. He calls for you to leave. And Leadership is not control. Do not confuse the two.

[btbc92]

Do not get this confused. Being a traditional women is not sexist. Your attitude and how you treated us is. When you tell it to make you a sandwich, that's disrespectful. The condescending and you're showing where you have zero respect. You don't tell a woman to do anything like that. You treat her with respect and ask her we can you do this and that for me. You say it with respect. That's why a lot of women are in the domestic violent homes and have husband and or apartments that treats them so disrespectfully that they raped them, abused them, threatening their lives, and in many women are scared to leave, and then when they finally do leave, there's no guarantee they make it out alive. Or be free from the abusers that long. Because they have the mentality that it's okay to do harm to a woman parrot that's the mentality they had during the medieval times and even then during the Renaissance Era. We are not tolerating that anymore. And this world, the world of we're now living in this Society, we cannot afford it. All of us has to be able to pull our own weight on the table. But because it is the woman that have to not only have your children, that deals with the most physical problems, is why a lot of us desire to have the option to either work or stay home. Because if we cannot keep a job, if there's no guarantee we'll make enough money, then you're the only one that's going to be able to pull all the way in. If God forbid you get injured you're going to hire a maid to do everything? And spend all that money? Then you'll be screaming about how you're not rich parrot but then you accuse her for being a gold diggers if we go after somebody who has more money than you. A lot of you men are backwards.

[Mofunfour20]

The Bible does say a woman should be under a mans leadership.

1 Timothy 2:12
I do not permit a woman to teach or to exercise authority over a man; rather, she is to remain quiet.

You obviously didn't read your bible

[btbc92]

@Mofunfour20

I can see why you're single at 30. Every single time I encounter a man who wants to throw up that scripture about a woman being silent are often men that I come to find out who lack Godly qualities. Do you honestly think I will be saying the kind of things I am saying because I don't understand or read The Bible? Something is really wrong with you.

And actually I read my Bible very well so I do not need for you to tell me what it says. Someone like you just want to use scripture to control women and I hardly suggest you stop using The Bible in biblical idolatry. There's a reason why men like yourself are not married and do not have a partner. Because you think that way of women and God is not marked. Never have I said a woman shouldn't be under a man's leadership. Please stop using The Bible in vain.

[btbc92]

Any one of you who chooses to downvote me because you did not like what I had to say on the matter do not understand what is expected of you and relationships. We women understand what's expected of us when we are in the right leadership. Guys like yourself have no business being in a relationship. If you already had these things in order a woman would naturally listen if she is somebody who chooses to be with you. A woman needs to submit to a man who was already have submitted himself unto God as equally as she does herself. I know better not to go at the men like yourself because a lot of you are very disrespectful, your controlling, abusive, and don't respect your wives. Let alone women. You want to control because you already lost your masculinity a alone time ago. Stop blaming everything all on women. You are claiming to want to be that man and a lot of you are not that man. So please stop with the hypocrisy. Unlike you I know my place as a woman. It's not my job to tell you what you need to do. I just know to listen to the word of God, that he to disappear to the Lord, and not bother With men like yourself. So keep the hate over there

[Mofunfour20]

Lmao being single is amazing for most guys that have had 3-6 girlfriends. Nobody expects anything from you. Play all the video games you want. Stay in the gym til you feel like leaving. Nobody to tell you to stop playing guitar and open up about your feelings. You dont have to be an emotional tampon. You save more money. Women respect you more because you're not trying to sleep with them. The perks just keep on coming. Single men are FREE, whats bad for you isn't bad for me.

[btbc92]

@Mofunfour20

Exactly. Because you was too busy playing hoe but you wanna talk to me about The Bible. Unlike you I'm a Virgin. No that's the toxic women that you're too busy hanging around with. I don't respect men who treat me like garbage garbage area you don't want to support a woman then you don't need to be with a woman. And promise that you don't even love yourself peri've just suffered. So I don't think you have any right to be judging a woman and telling her what she should and shouldn't do. Something is seriously psychologically not correct with you.

[btbc92]

I've been single all my life and I just started playing Skyward Sword enjoying myself. So what are you talking about what's good for you is bad for me? What makes you think I don't have to deal with your drama and your nonsense? You are not no man. You are man with a Jezebel spirit that's why you act to much like a female. Because you've been raised by a Jezebel. Now you think every woman is one. Seek deliverance.

[btbc92]

That is just toxic men like you who don't love themselves and don't understand what love is. You don't open up to anyone but you want a woman to want you. When a woman wants you to open up about how you feel she wants to connect and get to know you for you! She wants to get to know your soul that's exactly how God designed women. If you don't like God's design, then you need to stay by yourself. Everything you think is the purpose of a man is exactly what women have today. They don't have to deal with your drama, they don't have to deal with your trauma, have to deal with your bickering and complaining, and your personal issues, were saving money, saving time, focusing on our careers, and the few who do date, date men who WANTS them. Not act like they do. You just want the props without Responsibility.

[Mofunfour20]

No worries, i dont need agreement. Godspeed

[btbc92]

@Mofunfour20 No. You need to just repent and get healing. You need help. Stop using scripture for your selfish intent before it gets used against you.

[hahahmm]

"He wants sex so much come all the stuff, it comes with conditions, rules, and expectation"
Nah, a man can get sex from any hooker for a few bucks and hookers are more honest than the average woman today. Men with standards require women to meet those standards and ignore the rest of the women. This is why women with little to offer besides sex get into their 30s and start whining about not being able to find a man, What they mean is they can't keep a man. As far as it being disrespectful to to tell a woman to make a sandwich -- well, if it's not disrespectful when women tell them man to fix the broken air conditioner, fix the leaky roof, or any of the 100 other things he does -- that you admit she can't or won't do cause she's lazy -- then ordering a sandwich isn't disrespectful either. The real problem is that some women want to control men and it rubs them the wrong way to know that they have zero control with a guy who controls his own mind,

[btbc92]

@hahahmm Look. You can be a manwhore and whoremonger all you want. I am not whoring myself and neither am I dating and marrying a manwhore.

"He wants sex so much come all the stuff, it comes with conditions, rules, and expectation"
Nah, a man can get sex from any hooker for a few bucks and hookers are more honest than the average woman today. <- Yeah, that's how my late mother caught HPV at 13 by a 17 year old guy who slept with those women, 5 on top of that, gave her warts and she NEVER cleared the virus. She died of cancer and I too could have been HPV infected. I refuse to die that way. I found out somebody I know now going through the same thing. Men like yourselves are Pigs.

"Men with standards require women to meet those standards and ignore the rest of the women." No. Selfish men like yourself don't understand your rolls at ALL. This has always been since the biblical times, EVERYBODY must play their PART. It is NOT the same world anymore, or migrate to AFRICA. But then you'll be complaining worse! Stop making it out like it's all about you. That's why you have these sick fantasies in your head.

[hahahmm]

@btbc92 I've written about men being traditional which I support. Talking about my... or any man's supposed whoring doesn't make women better or less responsible for their own actions because the fact is that almost no women really care if a guy has been a whore. But men do care if women were... before taking them seriously. Just how life works.

[btbc92]

" This is why women with little to offer besides sex get into their 30s and start whining about not being able to find a man, What they mean is they can't keep a man." NO. God already designed us women PACKAGED with EVERYTHING we have to offer. A woman has to become a man's wife. She is given to WIFE. We cannot be a wife if you don't choose us as a wife. We have "little" to offer according to you because you rob us dry and then when we marry we have nothing because we gave everything UP as it with little to nothing in return. God calls this sin and an abomination. It is you who have nothing to offer, not even yourselves that's why you complain about women so much, yet you want us also. You are just as backward and confused as those who do the same. I do not pursue men like you nor do I date low-quality men. I never dated anyway. So I have much to offer. I just don't waste it on you.

[btbc92]

"As far as it being disrespectful to to tell a woman to make a sandwich -- well, if it's not disrespectful when women tell them man to fix the broken air conditioner, fix the leaky roof, or any of the 100 other things he does -- that you admit she can't or won't do cause she's lazy -- then ordering a sandwich isn't disrespectful either. " Ah, no, no, no, no, no. We women are born and groomed to know how to clean, to cook to do our job. It is why it is always say women tend to be more mature than men. We are not lazy. We do not need you to be rude and nasty. And not all women are like that. We only get that way when we asked you kindly enough to do something and you don't. You wait for us to lose our patience and snap at you to either actually listen or think we are disrespecting you. NO. YOU disrespect yourselves and don't give a damn about yourselves which is why when you get a wife, your not looking for a wife, you're looking for a mommy to take care of you. Men like you have mommy issues AND daddy issues. Many of you don't know your fathers. Because we can fix our sandwiches AND do all of those things. We now have to do YOUR JOB. So your right, you don't have to, we'll either hire somebody who can or we can do it ourselves. At least we get the job done and not have to beg a child who is supposed to be a grown man to handle his grown man's business. That is why women leave you. They give YOU a chance, trusted YOU, and you blew it. Not my fault or my problem. Your children who have yet graduated out of diapers.

[btbc92]

"The real problem is that some women want to control men and it rubs them the wrong way to know that they have zero control with a guy who controls his own mind," No. We don't want to conrtol you. We want YOU to CONTROL YOURSELVES. And you can't even do it without somebody supervising you. We have to tell you something so basic. It's like you were never taught. A lot of you have filthy habits and are as people. Then you want a clean woman and think she wants o to be around filth? Hell no. I was raised clean and I do not want a filthy man with a toxic character, poor habits, and a nasty attitude. You men are not husbands, you're bullies. And you get what you deserve.

[Mofunfour20]

Before bible verses get used on me? Thats not a threat, Im not that sensitive. A bit disappointing because i thought you had one to say

[btbc92]

@hahahmm You do not support tradition. You support oppression and control. A man can lead his family, expect her home without yelling at her, demanding her, demeaning her, treating her like a harlot out in the street, telling her to suck your penis, to kiss your toes, having you poke her butt with it. Your disgusting. I CARE if you are a whore. So if your not a virgin yourself, do not JUDGE.

[btbc92]

@Mofunfour20 No, you're just getting blocked. Seek help.

[hahahmm]

@btbc92. Traditionally men led. If a man is qualified to lead then he will be in a position to control. Deal with it and stop whining about it.

[btbc92]

@hahahmm I ain't married to you. I do not have to DEAL WITH IT. I don't have to deal with you. I do not have to listen to you. I will listen to the man who is my HUSBAND. A good man who have Godly qualities who already does what he has to do. You do not have leadership. Just pretending you have authority. And you do not have it.

[btbc92]

Men are in no position to control NO ONE. GOD is in control. Not you. It is YOU who needs to be in ORDER. God first, Jesus after, you NEXT, me AFTER, children after US. You, sir, are out of ORDER. and neither am I going to follow a man into a ditch and can't get out. You just pissed you lack the skills to lead. You are not qualified. That is why the women go after the so-called 20%, because you are the 80% who refuse to do what you have to do. So it is you who need to stop bickering and whining.

[backblueblack22]

@btbc92 Everybody is just having a hard time following you.

All I got to say is on some sort of deep level you are struggling with frustration, loneliness or an abusive past. Obviously following God would be the correct path to choose. But I’ve seen you throw out all sorts of knee jerk nasty insults to guys along with long diatribe word walls.

If that makes you feel better to ventilate than knock yourself out. But honestly your self righteousness is unnerving. If you want to preach the word you need a different approach.

[hahahmm]

@btbc92 read your bible more. It clearly says that the man is the head of the home and that if a woman has questions about biblical teachings she should ask her HUSBAND not go preaching. Of course if you pick the wrong man to lead it's your loss. I didn't bother reading most of your response TLDR.

[btbc92]

@blackblueblack22

This is what you do not understand. This has nothing to do with me. This has everything to do with you. You meant saying you want a relationship. I for one am not looking for that. You want to try to use my personal issues for a reason for you to do what you do. I do not. I follow God because I choose to follow God and that is my personal business. That is not your personal business. You can see it or do you want to see concerning about what I say. I know what I say. God knows why I say what I say. Which is why he said don't worry about people like yourself. So I honestly no offense do not care what pinion you personally have with me because you don't know me to make such judgments at all.

That is not me being self-righteous. That is me speaking the truth of what needs to be said. You don't want to hear the truth because a lot of you are not saved, a lot of you are not Believers, a lot of you are not where you need to be. Did Ezekiel held his tongue when he needed to speak? Did Isaiah hold his tongue when he needed to speak? Did Ezra held his tongue when he needed to speak? I will speak how God calls for me to speak. Not how I choose to speak. Because apparently you do not understand how I speak to other people. But how I speak to you has everything to do with how you choose to speak to me.

[btbc92]

@hahahmm

I read my Bible and I listen to the word of God. I hate to the spirit of the Lord. The man is the head of the home yes but unless you are married that has nothing to do with me. The one that is Head Over Me Is the father, that is Jesus. I know you didn't bother to listen to what I got to say because that's where you're in error. You don't want to listen to nothing but you want to talk about what you want to talk about. First of all, this is what you do not understand the Bible yourself. Not every husband is a preacher. Not every husband is a minister, not every husband understands and know the Bible if you was a Christian, I grew up Christian, you would know most people that you see in church or not men it's women. Most men don't bother going to church anymore. The ones who do are do, many of them do not, many of them back slipped, and many of them are still in the world. Don't be preaching something you don't know about. Because if God has a cold a woman in her household would do something if he will do it. You don't go around judging people's home for you don't even understand their home life or their spiritual life. Everybody is responsible for this pair to walk. God has a guy them and how he wants them to lead. You stay focused on your personal walk and your spiritual growth. You don't want to hear a woman speaks because when God speaks to you directly you ignore him anyway. So I highly suggest you be responsible for what you choose to do and don't go around saying what I choose to do.

[btbc92]

So please do not speak of false witness. None of you. Or else you will have to answer to the Lord most high. There are many different ways God calls for a person to preach. And I am not here to be preaching. I'm here to do what I have to do. And if I must present a message, I will put sent a message to you. And the call message that God wants for all of you to hear is to repent, it's returned back from your Wicked Ways. You don't want to hear it that is your personal issue. It has nothing to do with how I speak to you but how I must be to you. You think I want to be speaking to you this way? I do not. But I must speak to you this way because of the only way is going to get you to listen. If I spoke to you softly you wouldn't bat an eye. So please stop. Tldr is not the proper response of a man now that is a proper response for somebody whose claim to be mature. You lost the argument the moment you started that. Too bad for you, I'm not here to argue.

[btbc92]

That is not the proper way a mature person respond.*

[btbc92]

I have the spirit of the Lord*

Tired of these typos.

[btbc92]

A woman cannot respect the head of the home if he is not in order himself. You would just cause the other to stumble. Y'all do not want a marriage, you want control. You want to be controlling a woman because in your life there's no control. Women stopped respecting you not because of so-called feminism. Because a lot of you don't respect yourself. I respect men who respect themselves. God is Not mocked. That's why so many you are still single. God has never said that I'm at fault for being single. He kept me that way for a reason. And what those reasons are are between me and God.

[Ez-Bri-Z]

Hi, local feminist here. *wave*

Yeah, it is total hypocrisy. Guys shouldn't be expected to meet stereotypical gender roles anymore than a woman should be expected to.

The real issue is when people start saying he isn't a real man or she isn't a real woman unless they do fall in line with that gender role assignment. Nobody should be forced into a role. It is a partnership that may choose to be traditional or it may not. Either is fine as long as they are making that choice together and it isn't forced.

[The-Wise-Phoenix]

I have a question for you. As you are a local feminist what are you currently doing to help abolish men paying alimony since men and women are equal?

[Ez-Bri-Z]

There is always that one person who feels the need to hijack the thread for their own purposes just to prove a point nobody was making.

Congratulations, this time that person is you!

[grega239]

here's the problem. Men dont have a choice. We dont get to abandon our traditional roles. If we do , no woman would want us. Women on the other hand have the option of choosing. Hell you even get to pick when equality should apply and when it shouldn't.

[Ez-Bri-Z]

Everyone has a choice and you are generalizing women on the whole.

[Godawfulwasteofspace]

I agree with @grega239 if she saw a man in a dress and he just wanted to stay at home and take care of the kids and clean the house and not work, there's no way @ez-bri-z would want to date him. Because heterosexual men and women want to date the opposite of themselves. I. E. masculine men or feminine women. Men don't have the choice of staying at home and taking care of the house and kids. They have to work or there ass is going to be out the streets.

[Ez-Bri-Z]

Well... in all fairness I dont date any guys. I am married to another woman. *shrug*

Men absolutely have the choice to stay home. For example my middle brother was a stay at home father and made money babysitting our kids and my youngest brothers kids during the week. Now his kids are grown he is finishing college and going back out into the job market. You have options as a guy. It isn't an all or nothing like you are trying to make it sound.

[Ez-Bri-Z]

Also, the only way I'd care if a man were in a dress being a problem is if he looks better in it than I do. That would just hurt my pride lmao

[VanillaSalt]

So ez quick question. What do you think men’s success would be like in a % if they told every date they wanted to be a stay at home father compared to being a super hard worker bringing in good money like a doctor or something? I think you don’t understand what women seek in men and how harshly were judged in Yorker to get that date.

[Ez-Bri-Z]

Well, I think if it was his first date it would probably be close to 0. Oh not, that him wanting that would be a problem, just him talking about it on a first date seems REALLY presumptuous.

If you are talking like date 5 or more or if they are maybe already official, I think it would definitely give some women pause. Some are really driven by that idea of gender norms. Maybe it was their goal to be the at home parent. I also think it would be determined by the type of girl you are dating.

Chances are if you are dating a more traditional, conservative woman I would guess less than 5%.

If the woman is more liberal and open minded, I'd say on initial blush, maybe 15-25%?

Now these numbers could definitely change especially when it comes down to it actually happening depending on their financial situation. I also think he has WAY, WAY less of a chance on either side if he says stay at home dad before there is even kids. That just means he wants someone to care for him.

[The-Wise-Phoenix]

That was a nice speech but you didn't answer the question. Since feminists believe men and women are equal why aren't feminists trying to abolish alimony?
I am trying to help you understand that feminism isn't about equality. It's really a power grab.

[Ez-Bri-Z]

Tell you what, if you want that question answered, make a topic on it and I'll be glad to come in and respond. It has nothing to do with this topic and only detracts from the original posters question.

[The-Wise-Phoenix]

What difference would that make?
I'm asking YOU here and now.
It's a rhetorical question.
And you simply don't want to answer it because it would force you to admit a very uncomfortable truth about feminism.

[Ez-Bri-Z]

I'll try this again for you.

I have 0 problem answering it. Just make a separate post about it unless you don't want to hear my answer. Stop stealing someone else's post for your agenda.

[The-Wise-Phoenix]

Nah you didn't answer it.
You are still trying to sidestep the issue.
Now you have two choices. You can either answer the question and admit the truth that feminists are only interested that which benefits women or you can admit defeat and walk away.
Because I can do this forever.

[Ez-Bri-Z]

Good lord you are an idiot. Hold on, as usual a woman will do the work for you.

[Ez-Bri-Z]

The-Wise-Phoenix would like to know why feminists are not advocating for the abolishment of alimony. I'm just helping him out here, ok? ↗

[nevernevernever]

@The-Wise-Phoenix women also pay alimony when appropriate

[The-Wise-Phoenix]

@nevernevernever. For the record I don't think anyone should be paying alimony to anyone. After a divorce people should take care of their own income.
But for every man who is collecting alimony there are a 1000 women who are taking money that isn't theirs.
And it might surprise you to hear that I have even more disdain for men who are collecting alimony.

[nevernevernever]

@The-Wise-Phoenix alimony is paid to the woman in "traditional" relationships where the wife stays home and cares for the kids because she essentially sacrifices her ability to have a career. Shouldn't that make you more against traditional relationships, if you're against paying alimony?

[AmandaYVR]

THIS. 👌

P. S. So cute. Love the wave. 👋

[Ez-Bri-Z]

Thank you so much 🥰

[The-Wise-Phoenix]

@nevernevernever
Nope, plenty of women are collecting alimony in non traditional marriages where the woman is working too and they have no kids. I have a family member who had to pay alimony to his wife who was a practicing doctor.
You all need to stop pretending that women are not abusing the system.

[Abdulwahh]

I see your point but as a christian women must submit to man

[Ez-Bri-Z]

Ooooh, but I am not a Christian. I am agnostic and also married a woman and also don't submit to anyone aside from my higher power. I believe in equality. Submission is for the bedroom stuff.

[Anonymous]

Who says that? Show me your studies, statistics, facts etc, otherwise you are lying. Do you mean some people? I am done how people on gag generalize to make certain people seem bad.
To your question, it is is NOT sexist, if you want traditional women who have the same rights as you unlike in past.
Just because some people who you know says that, does not mean majority of human population think it is sexist. Any person who says that is sexist is hypocritical.

I also think it is more difficult for men to be a modern traditional man than being a modern traditional housewife due to automation. So you have automatic vacum cleaner, dishwascher, etc. It only makes sense to me to stay at home for your small kids who needs your time for every second, otherwise you only need few hours to clean and cook while your husband has to work 7-10 hours everyday to provide you since you dont have kids. So i can understand when a man does not want to be a modern traditional man.
However, if he is like an amish guy lol aka live without any technology and then it is way more difficult for women to be traditional since you have to do everything by your hands plus you have to work outside at farm which is extremely unhealthy for women's body. My uncle's wife become infertile due to farm work and plus housework. So it is perfectly understandable when a woman does not want to an oldschool traditional wife.
[it is also more healthy if men do little more than women in a relationship since men are physically stronger aka have more energy except he wants to see her wife/girlfriend always tired, in pain and so in a bad mood which will affect the sex life in a bad way. What i mean is that the guy may do a little more housework if both women and men pay bills due to biological reasons]

I also differ between modern traditional wife/husband and oldschool traditional wife/husband. The so called modern housewife is actually something new for average people. I dont know america but women had to work outside at farm/factory for example and plus be a housewife. So only rich women could afford to stay only at home. So majority of women did work at farm in the past without getting paid extra since the farm belongs to their husbands family for example. Women in european countries like germany, austria etc. work also in factories after and during the worldwars due to shortage of men and disabled men who could not work. These women did typical men jobs since many men were dead or they were too old. Then there were women in austria, germany etc who fucking try to built their whole country again. Their names are "Trümmerfrauen"

Then there are Some gag guys or American men who think a traditional woman needs to be submissive. Submissiveness means obeying your partner for example. Any person who except his/her to partner to obey her/him is insane and need therapy. I have seen many guys on gag that except from women to obey them.
A guy also told me a traditional women should be like in the past without voting rights or any right which make rape in marriage ok etc. So if you are like this guy, then you are sexist. However, majority of men who want a traditional women want just stay at home mums with rights lool. So majority of men wjo want traditional women ain't sexist

[Steven8000]

So for a woman to not be traditional but want men to be traditional is hypocritical. Women be like "I think men should be the one to pay for dates, and if he is too scared to ask a woman in a date, he is not a man," while if a man says" I think women should learn how to cook, they should be feminine, etc" Woman is like "Oh my goodness you are sexist."

[Opinion Owner]

Of course this is hypocritical

[Opinion Owner]

Where tf you live. In austria and germany people split the bills. Is this an American thing?

[Steven8000]

Yes it is an American thing. Most women here get pissed when a guy doesn't pay for all dates and think it is the man's job to ask women put on dates yet most of those same women get mad when men say they think, women should be the ones that cook, etc. I think all of it is silly. But most women here are hypocrites on America and only want traditional roles that affect them to go away. Not all but most women are like that.

[Opinion Owner]

Oh i am sorry

[Steven8000]

What would you tell a woman that is a hypocrite with traditional roles?

[DeltaCharlieEcho]

The US is becoming an absolute shithole and there’s an active underground effort towards social genocide of the masculine and whites in this country. I’d give just about anything to leave this country but I don’t even know where I could go that would be any better.

[Opinion Owner]

@DeltaCharlieEcho just one question would you date women your age or older? Should women over their mid 30s give up on dating, buy s sex doll or rent a boyfriend like in japan or kill themself?

[Opinion Owner]

Are women over their mod 30s worthless?

[DeltaCharlieEcho]

No I wouldn’t date a woman my age or older. They’re all damaged goods and used up at this point.

[Opinion Owner]

So you ain't used up and damaged goods? Look at your age. The older you get the shittier your sperm quality get. I have seen you complaining about women being shallow and having high expectations but you are the shallow one. Women under 30 are minority. So it is unrealistic preference. How young do you want? At least stay away from women who are under 24 since their brain development ain't finished which affect their maturity level. So dont groom teenagers and very young women

[Opinion Owner]

The divorce rate is high for people who marry young and also for people with huge age gap. I know myself how i change drastically the older i get. I am completely different person and so have not much in common with my 18 years old me.

[Opinion Owner]

I know women who marry at a young age with their 7-10 years older man and divorce them later since they notice they dont have anything in common with their husbands. You personality, dislikes, likes etc develop drastically in your mid 20s. So in your mid 20s you finally get a stable personality. It is fucking unhealthy, disgusting, creepy to date very young people whose brain development ain't finished and so they have not much stable personality.
When i was 18 years old, i really dont give a f about my own dislikes, likes, etc. I was very naive etc.

[Opinion Owner]

So i hope you dont want women under their mid 20s

[DeltaCharlieEcho]

Lol men don’t get used up. It’s not the same thing at all. The hilarious thing is how you actually believe that being a shitty lock is as valuable as being a master locksmith.

[Opinion Owner]

Ok lol...

[DeltaCharlieEcho]

Let me know how you feel about this when you're 35 and men don't even notice you. I'll be waiting.

[Opinion Owner]

Let me also know when you end up being alone and no woman want you for a serious relationship

[Opinion Owner]

I am also pretty confident and ain't shy. I was often the one who approached anyone

[DeltaCharlieEcho]

Oh, honey, no. This is the real world, I'll be married by the time I'm 35 with a kid and house. You're about to lose a lot more than you realize because the other shoe is about to drop. Good luck, that's all I've got to say to you here.

[Opinion Owner]

So you are a key aka an object

[Opinion Owner]

You are 31. You really in 4 years aka soon everything will change for you? The other shoe is about to drop for you. I mention the statistics and dont cry when you divorced due to the huge age gap,

[Opinion Owner]

Women marry someone their age. The max age gap is 5 years. So i hope you dont seek girls in their early 20s

[Opinion Owner]

How does it feel like being a second-hand dildo? Are you virgin at least? Do you save your first time at least for your wife?

[DeltaCharlieEcho]

Are your little girl feelings hurt? Oh boyyyyy.

Go cry to someone that thinks your opinion is worth more than nothing, because I don't.

[Opinion Owner]

No offence but i dont think you will find someone with this attitude. You may attract young naive immature girls with your money but they will love you for your money. Funny how you hate women your age because they probably won't deal with your shit. And only some young women may fall for your bullshit but they will leave you as soon as they notice what kind of freak you are

[Opinion Owner]

Go cry somewherelse yourself. You can fuck off from my post. You are here under my post. If you dont want to continue this conversation, you can go, used up litt boy in a old man's body

[DeltaCharlieEcho]

That's adorable, you actually think you know something.

[Anonymous]

It’s funny because I was a “starving artist” type about 8 years ago. I was pursuing pro mma and b level acting. Although I was broke as a joke I had no problem meeting women and i got in a relationship with an attractive 25 yr old woman who made more money than me. She even offered money one time when I was in a tight spot but I refused. But still I admit that the fact she found me that attractive and had such deep feelings despite my financial situation was incredible.

Anyway I gave that all up at 33 moved to a different state, got a steady well paying corporate job and bought a house. Yeah I was less “exciting” but I was much more stable. I still kept myself in excellent physical shape. But still I was “boring” now because I took responsibility and matured.

Then I started struggling with women. The ones who were interested in me were looking for “saviors” out of their own shitty predicaments. It absolutely surprised, depressed and shocked me. Grown ass women who still were attracted to unstable but exciting “bad boys” versus a man who has his shit together.

I often ask myself if I would been better off being a financially yet entertaining adventurer.

Anyway I just turned 40 but my sister in law’s brother is also 40, a starving musician and engaged to a very financially stable women who works in healthcare. She’s pregnant with his kid right now. On top of that she’s attractive/athletic and he’s a heavy smoker and a recovering alcoholic. But since he has that “artist pull” she stays with him.

What’s wrong with this picture?

[Mofunfour20]

Because modern women can't handle the pressure of living up to what men want from women. Theyll say, "you can't handle a woman like me, im strong and independent! " Anyone that has to shout something like that obviously isn't strong and independent. Feminism gave them equality but now the responsibility is too much for them to handle because most people learn responsibility from their fathers, a lot of them didn't have one. A woman without leadership will destroy herself and everything around her

[rcljr]

It’s a typical feminazi double standard. Feminism started out with a noble goal, but quickly morphed into a man haters club, espousing castration, slavery and general demeaning g of the entire male population. Notwithstanding their utter misunderstanding of the human breeding process, it takes egg and sperm, Honies… if they’d had their way out race would be 3/4 to extinction. As luck would have it though, these rabid feminazi’s are some of the fattest, ugliest, smelliest wildebeests on the planet, sporting armpit and leg hair that would do a manly man proud. On second thought… no wonder they’re feminists as no man would touch them… have a great day “ ladies”

[Aiko_E_Lara]

@nevernevernever if you just want to block me like a coward you are, you're just actually proving to me that that is how a lot of feminist "fought" for their "rights" like silencing anyone who gives anything that is about to debunk your agenda. So as i was saying, Which is why i gave the reason. Because if you want to have rights then you should also have the responsibility but then again i talked about how women chose not to take men's responsibility. So in return they don't get the rights. But there are also rights they get that many even don't have. just like what i said they have the rights to refuse to take responsibilities of anything unlike men so yes that's still women's rights that men couldn't have. That is also something i clearly said

[Aiko_E_Lara]

@devilman666 i really did explain the detriment men have before. Just a little warning though. You may end up getting blocked if she is starting to lose credibility. Just a little favor to ask you if it's ok. Can you mention her name here so she can see this? You don't have to tho. i'm not forcing anyone.

[Aiko_E_Lara]

@nevernevernever i see you unblocking me now. I might as well mention your name again for you to see you this because what i said still stands

[bamesjond0069]

It is sexist. But why are you so butthurt about it? Why do you accept the retards premise that sexism is bad?

"Definition of sexism (from Merriam webster)

1: prejudice or discrimination based on sexespecially : discrimination against women
2: behavior, conditions, or attitudes that foster stereotypes of social roles based on sex"

If you're so traditional why do you care what some purple haired metal nose freak thinks about your opinion? You don't want her, so why give a fuck?

[Floch0401]

I think the whole gender roles thing is dumb and harmful for both genders.
Women rely on men for masculine traits and men rely on women for the more feminine traits.
Men aren’t perfectly masculine and have emotions and women don’t have to be perfectly feminine, but we both rely on each other.


That being said, I do find it ironic that women who fight against female gender roles still rely on Men for masculine duties, they may not realize it. Feminists would never rely on a effeminate man.


Of course I’m not justifying sexism and women deserve equal rights in the work place.

[Sweetener_]

8 reasons why I'm not a Feminist! (From a Christian perspective) ↗

[JSmuve]

Because we live in a gynocentric society that says "real women" can do whatever they want, no consequences, and "real men" live their lives to the benefit of women. So it's okay for women to expect men to be traditional because that's what's expected of men in our societal framework. Traditional men benefit women. But it doesn't work the other way around because expecting traditional women directly interferes with women's life choices and is thusly viewed as "oppressive".

[Slartybartfast]

If you want a 21st century relationship, don't expect men to obey 18th century courtship rules.

If you wait for him to approach, best get in the kitchen and make him a sandwich, don't speak unless spoken to etc etc... No one likes double standards.

[DeltaCharlieEcho]

Because women don’t have to live in the real world anymore. Sumps bail them out, their friends bail them out, their parents bail them out, and even if everything else don’t fail the government is happy to give them money for having a vagina and breathing.

[hahahmm]

Yes. Traditional men need to stop giving any support/help to simps at all. They should be treated like diseased cockroaches.

[DeltaCharlieEcho]

@hahahmm they are cockroaches.

I was out today and in the course of 10 minutes I saw two guys that were well built, tall, and clearly well off walk in with chicks that I would struggle to rate a 4 or above. This shit is way out of hand and men of value need to just stop fucking them.

[m33lad]

Of course not! That’s the foundation of a happy family. Which the west used sexiest to destroy that.
Segregation Cannot happen with a male lion controlling the kingdom.


The states needs to be your father.
You ever wonder why China’s economy keeps getting better? Which the rest of the world keeps getting more fked?
Because China supports and doesn’t know intervene with fathers being a father in a household.

[Flower7]

Lol, this question is really funny to me. And a good question also. (I don't feel offended by it because I'm not a feminist.) I prefer both genders having traditional roles.

[LoveIsFake]

Kinda why Im switching parties

[Flower7]

You mean switching to Conservative?

[Explorer91]

I think this is pretty obvious, due to women being extremely oppressed in the past and in the past women were also expected to be traditional there is a very high trigger correlation.
If you can’t understand this then I have no more words lol.

[more_than_a_guy]

The past was oppressive to women, yes. But is it justifying the double standards today? Is being sexist towards men is the solution for you? Bring men down instead of bringing women up?

[backblueblack22]

@Explorer91 “oppressed in the past”. So in other words you are entitled to special privileges and double standards for grievances and so called “oppression” you yourself never endured. Yeah just got to love and respect that libtard mindset.

All I got to say that this ultimately going to harm women. These short term extremely unfair benefits will ultimately be self defeating. You will not ever find true happiness in the long run.

[Explorer91]

Sexism? Or you mean you don’t like being treated in a way that doesn’t serve you. Never heard an attractive male complain of women being sexist. Only men who can’t get women, oh well, you can get angry all you like. I’ll listen to you vent, I know I get the last laugh.

[rcljr]

@backblueblack22 , just like modern negroes wanting reparations for something that never happened to them.

[backblueblack22]

@rcljr it’s all self serving insanity. But be careful with your word choice above man. That’s giving them something to go off on.

[backblueblack22]

“Never heard an attractive male complain of women being sexist.“ I’ve heard and seen plenty of married and taken men get frustrated with double standards.

But I really like the cheap shot you are taking on this (which is sexist itself). We can easily insult modern feminists of just being butt ugly and/or having daddy issues. Those below the belt insults work both ways sweetie.

[AmandaYVR]

That would be a double standard, yes.
But as with many conflicts and conclusions, I think you're lumping different people into one bucket. They're likely two separate women/groups. There's your answer to the riddle.

[Jamie05rhs]

I don't know. I think there are definitely women who want to be nontraditional but who want a traditional man.

[ronaldo75]

The timple answer is this. Today's women want to run wild, have fun and "live life" and when they're spent, dried up and their looks are gone by around age 35-40 they DEMAND a good solid traditional man scoop them up and give them a large house, babies and a loving marriage. If they don't get that it's misogyny

[Omario2049]

Because society has always hated men and now that women are taking part in many prestigious roles, they think they no longer need men nor need to show any appreciation anymore. Women are more submissive, cooperative and less likely to question anything. Thus making them a perfect worker for corporations. With all that said, this is their way of pandering to these women. By excluding to them from responsibility and accountability.

[Nazgol]

In my opinion, its not that it's sexist, it's undoable. It's fine to want your wife to be traditional but women are expected to be superwoman now days and being able to juggle everything all at once, like cook clean work take care of house and kids. isn't that asking for too much?

[Steven8000]

Women are the biggest hypocrites out there. She expects men to pay for everything on the date etc yet get mad when a man wants her to cook, etc

[VanillaSalt]

You are cooking and cleaning while working… army single moms doing just that?

[Nazgol]

@VanillaSalt what?

[Floch0401]

Women aren’t necessarily expected to work. The responsibility of household income traditionally falls on the man, this is why women can take maternal leave.

I agree that the husband should cook and clean, good teamwork.

But the man has to remain stoic during emotional crisis because his wife will be leaning on him. This is the unfortunate reality, I’m not complaining, just life

[Nazgol]

@Steven8000 you clearly didn't get my point, lol..

[Nazgol]

@VanillaSalt because they have no choice. But it they had a partner he would still have to help with those tasks sometimes

[Nazgol]

@Floch0401 yeah, maybe back in the day women didn't have to work or now only the super rich guys make that possible. But the majority do infact have to work

[Mofunfour20]

@VanillaSalt to agree with her would imply that the woman is disabled. Those are basic skills

[VanillaSalt]

@nazgoi you already clean and work… don’t you? I do. Kids don’t demand all of your time and generally take care of themselves I’ve their in school. You don’t lead kids like ducks your guide them like a book. My brothers wife works 40 hrs a week, cooks, cleans, and takes care of their daughter. Taking care of gets easier then the housework for her.

@floch401 i work 80 hours a week. The idea of doing housework unacceptable to me unless it’s a day off.

[Anonymous]

Because what women want is the only thing relevant to what’s acceptable, so whether traditional or otherwise, good things just means things they want.


Guys in the other hand are subject to women’s expectations. If they don’t like it then that must mean you’re wrong.

[MrPlentiful]

Just stop simping (paying for dates)

[Opinion Owner]

Oh I agree.
I prefer to flip a coin as to who pays.

[Anonymous]

You know what that’s a very good point. And when I say traditional I don’t mean cooking/cleaning for me. I learned to do that myself so I’m not gonna dump that on a girl or a woman. However, girls today don’t seem to care they want to flaunt their bodies, have flings and not be in anything serious and along the way they don’t really care if there is a trail of genuine good dudes with a ton of broken hearts. I could never purposely break a girls heart like that but girls don’t seem to care.

[nevernevernever]

because "traditional" for men means "you pay for the date" and "traditional" for women means "you don't deserve rights"

[Dargil]

"traditional" for women means "you don't deserve rights"
Absolute nonsense.

[VanillaSalt]

Attention…. Fuck you. Thanks have a nice day.

[Floch0401]

Wrong, traditional for men means that the man carries the burden of responsibility in the family and upholding the household, he’s needs to be reliable

Traditional for women is that they exhibit some aspects of femininity, they don’t have to be perfect girly girls but they shouldn’t try so hard to rebel against gender roles just to be cool.

[Dargil]

@VanillaSalt I am, thanks. I like approval from people who are so wrong.

[nevernevernever]

@Dargil read a history book, any history book. Traditional values means no voting for women, no financial independence, marital rape is legal, etc.

[Dargil]

Government school propaganda. Sad. What was your family life like?

[Dargil]

@VanillaSalt "Attention…. Fuck you. Thanks have a nice day." I am, thanks.

[nevernevernever]

@Dargil Women couldn't open a bank account without a man present until 1975, couldn't vote until relatively recently, marital rape was legal, etc. "traditional" means a return to past values, which didn't grant women the same rights as men. My family life was pretty good, and I didn't go to public school.

[Dargil]

A corrupt private school, perhaps?

[Aiko_E_Lara]

A traditional man don't have the rights to refuse to pay for the child support, refuse to over work for women's sake, refuse to join the army or to die in battle, refuse to vote, refuse to pay higher tax, refuse to give up 1/3 of his income, the house and child and give it to his wife on divorce, no rights to own the child and so on. Really because of what history said "women were not allowed to do those stuff", you also don't wanna acknowledge the fact that women also chose not to do those dirty work men do also because equipment's, government systems and technology wasn't as developed as today. When cars got easier to drive and maintain, easier to vote, easier to access banks, easier to work and so on, that's when women got allowed to do what they want and guys got allowed to relax a bit. But all you want to see is "women weren't allowed because men" BS

[Aiko_E_Lara]

I also forgot to mention men weren't allowed to refuse to let women and children go first

[nevernevernever]

@Aiko_E_Lara I'm not saying the system we have is perfect or there's no detriments to being a man in society today, but women were fighting for the right to do things like vote, drive cars, have a job, have financial independence long before it was "easy" to do so. It was never just granted to them because they decided it was finally easy enough for them to do things like that.

[nevernevernever]

@Dargil no, I was homeschooled in a very traditional, Christian family in a community of other traditional Christian families, which is where I get the idea that "traditional" means "women don't have the same rights as men"

[nevernevernever]

@Aiko_E_Lara the "women and children first" thing was only really done on the titanic, it's just a myth that that was common, or is common. Historically, in almost every other ship wreck, women and children died disproportionately to men because men were able to fight their way onto the life boats. The fact that the captain of the titanic did that was such a big deal because it was so uncommon. Same with almost every other natural disaster, women and children die disproportionately to men. The idea that men sacrifice their lives to save women and children is just that, a nice idea, not reality.

[Aiko_E_Lara]

Oh really if you just want to claim it's a myth, then you know i can also say the same thing about how you really interpret women's oppression in the past. But you know, the rest of what i said still stands.

[nevernevernever]

@Aiko_E_Lara I'm not "claiming" that the women and children first thing is a myth. It is a myth. The facts back me up and even a quick google search will tell you that.

[nevernevernever]

@Aiko_E_Lara the women and children first thing is demonstrably a myth, because it just didn't, and doesn't happen. A quick google search will tell you that

[Aiko_E_Lara]

You're also ignoring the fact that men are also fighting for their rights and which is exactly why we got so develop. The suffragists you want to talk about? I can tell you that every men who fought in the revolutionary war and world war were suffragists and that is the reason why they can vote. Did even women have to go through that for them to vote? So yes i can easily say those guys who fought in the war are masculinists then because they were also fighting for equality and peace. And this is also why feminism bringing equality to the world is also a myth

[nevernevernever]

@Aiko_E_Lara What does that have to do with anything? Men fought in wars and women stayed home and fed the kids. The wars were necessary but that didn't make it right that women during that time period were treated as less than men. Women weren't even allowed to enlist until fairly recently, so maybe you only have men to blame for the fact that relatively few women fought.

[Aiko_E_Lara]

And yes that would also mean you're claim saying women don't deserve rights is also a myth

[Aiko_E_Lara]

You are also missing the part where i said that it is also a woman's choice when most of them didn't even fight. And like what i said even most guys don't like the fight but they didn't have the rights to refuse

[Aiko_E_Lara]

And if you're saying that men are so privileged, what you're only looking at are those powerful guys that actually made it on top the corporate ladder but you're ignoring what they have to go through to get the position. So tell me if guys are so privileged, how come the average guys where underpaid factory workers, workers like slaves, homeless and pawns? What do those rich and powerful guys even do to benefit the average men in any meaningful way?

[Aiko_E_Lara]

If you really like to complain that women couldn't drive that time, just like what a lot of feminists would say then do you think the average guys even own a car that time?

[nevernevernever]

@Aiko_E_Lara I didn't say that men were privileged now, I said that men stopped women from having basic rights for a long time, and that "traditional" often means a return to values espoused during the time when women legally did not have the same rights.

[nevernevernever]

@Aiko_E_Lara maybe the average guy didn't own a car, but he was legally allowed to get a drivers license. Its a question of legality, not some idea of privilege.

[Aiko_E_Lara]

Which is what i said what you're saying is still a myth. Like saying men stopping women from having basic rights long time ago is also a myth. Which is why i gave you the detriment of what men have to face instead of focusing on wasting time trying to stop women from having rights as if that's more important than having to live

[Aiko_E_Lara]

If you're so concerned about the legality then i also talked about how women chose not to drive because cars before were so manual and requiring a lot of high maintenance just like owning a tank. So really what if right now guys are allowed to own a tank? Does it mean we should own one?

[nevernevernever]

@Aiko_E_Lara men made laws that explicitly spelled out that women did not have the same rights as them. Then it took decades of concentrated struggle to get those laws changed. It doesn't get more clear than that.

[devilman666]

Men's tradition is dying more in war, dying more on the job, working until their bodies are broken, to provide for their family, and to be strong, protective, and responsible. We are attacked more often on the street and we are expected to be willing give our lives in an energency (women and children first).

I don't disagree that traditionalism for women is removing many rights, I don't support traditionalism for either gender, I just don't think traditionalism for men is any better. I know it's easy to assume men were better off, but if you actually investigate it, I think both genders were suffering under the old system.

[rjroy3]

You're conflating "Traditional" with time travel.

We're talking about behavior and the overall way you conduct yourself. Let's relax lmao

[Hallo626262]

Cute men have died in wars you seriously think women had it harder? Hahahah. Wow I would certainly want to be a women in the past because you know I wouldn't be killed. Women have always been privileged.

[Hallo626262]

Women could vote if they go to the military just like men. They just didn't want that. They only want benefits no duties.

[nevernevernever]

@Hallo626262 Jesus, women didn't make some kind of deal whereby they traded the right to vote in order to hide from the military, they stayed home so their kids wouldn't starve and someone could keep life going back at home. What kind of social consequences do you think realistically would happen if every adult went to war? they'd come back to a defunct nation and a bunch of dead children

[Hallo626262]

@nevernevernever come on who cares about your idiotic feminist sexism anymore. Just shut up.

[nevernevernever]

@Hallo626262 I'm not even talking about feminism anymore, I'm just saying well known historical facts.

[VanillaSalt]

@Dargil I was talking to Never.

[Aiko_E_Lara]

You might wanna check my own comment here after you blocked me. That pretty much debunk everything you said and which is why you see it as a threat to your own logic

[Aiko_E_Lara]

@nevernevernever

[Aiko_E_Lara]

Also as you keep saying and repeating historical facts over and over again, i can also see this same thing you know.

[devilman666]

I have an idea, since gender roles are reversing and women are trying yo oppress men, they should be the ones fighting the wars while we stay at home with the kids where it's safe.

[TruthBringer]

Welcome to the double standards of feminism and female nature. Wanting to have their cake and eating it too. How I enjoyed reading so many pink comments exposing themselves and proving my point

[IveGotNoName]

Well double standards... but to be fair being a "traditional woman" seems more in contrast to what we think of women in modern days than how it is for men

[LoveIsFake]

Different question but do you think people can ever be equal if double standards exist

[IveGotNoName]

I don't believe in total equality.

[LoveIsFake]

Who do you think doesn't deserve equality

[IveGotNoName]

I mean, some people are trying to force equality into places where it just isn't necessary, like wanting the same amount of genders in educations

[IveGotNoName]

"Same amount of genders" I meant an equal amount of men and women

[Kaamraj]

It's a double standard imposed on society. If a man isn't receiving as much as what he's putting in, he should leave respectfully.

[tatianamay]

Both are equally sexist in my opinion. Nobody should be forced into those stereotypes

[VanillaSalt]

People act as though expectations are sexist. I demand you be traditional or I won’t date you… is that sexist? I expect fidelity… am I sexist. You don’t like me expectations move on and get out of the way of real women that wanna date.

[tatianamay]

Reread my opinion. I said: nobody should be forced into those stereotypes”

[Blackcupcake]

Dude what the hell are you talking about? Who hurt you?🤭

[tatianamay]

@VanillaSalt I never called you sexist. You need not have replied to my comment. It was absolutely unnecessary. I never said anything about expectations. Wtf are you on about? Everyone has expectations, my dude. That’s how their choose partners. People should have expectations, you’re just talking lame shit here. What your saying us completely irrelevant to what I said

[tatianamay]

They*

[tatianamay]

Is completely*

[devilman666]

@blackcupcake is that really an appropriate response? Women say the same kind of shit that this guy is saying and nobody asks them "who hurt you". To be clear, I don't know the guy and I don't know whether or not he's sexist, but I find the immediate assumption always hilarious. Like I said, women say this same kind of crap, "where have all the good men gone?".

[Blackcupcake]

I don’t ask that because I know there’s plenty out there and I know many... I just don’t get how you took what she said and then came with a response that was completely irrelevant.

[devilman666]

There's plenty of what out there? You need to be more specific. You know many what?

Took what who said? The only person I responded to was you, so unless you refer to yourself in third person, I don't know eho the "she" is.

As for trying to explain my response, it was completely relevant to what you were saying, my point was that if it's okay for women to say such disrespectful things then why is it wrong for men to do the same? For example, I referenced those articles about, "where have the good men gone?", should I ask the women writing these articles, "who hurt you?"? It just seems to me like you are applying a double standard here, where men's feelings don't matter, but women are allowed to be emotional because their feelings do matter. Further, you're trying to shame him into silence, which is a sexist remnant of the days before feminism, men have long been shamed and told that they have to hide their feelings and emotions if they want to be a man, and you're doing the same thing, therefore you're being incredibly prejudicial (sexist) and toxic. In my opinion it's this kind of shame that leads to toxic masculinity, as men need to feel powerful, they need to make others feel weak.

Finally, incase you are confused, I am not the asker, I am just a random person interjecting into the conversation.

[Steven8000]

You realize you think differently than most females? Lol. Most females only want traditional roles that affect them to go away. That is good you are not a hypocrite.

[VanillaSalt]

What do you think stereotypes are… their a set of expectations based off past experience.

“Both are equally sexist”… yes. Yes you did.

[genericname85]

Well if you're looking for a traditional woman, those that don't like that, aren't for you. It shouldn't matter to you, that a lot of media present people are getting butthurt about this.

[NightHawk99]

Because equality is only needed when it's convenient.

[Ninjazzed]

It’s sexist and hypocritical if both are being subjected to it by the opposite partner but aren’t in agreeance of doing it themselves.

[Anonymous]

You'll find out as you get older, the "rules" only apply to you, not them lol. In a lot of ways and situations.

[hahahmm]

Which is why I preach to guys to be real careful who they decide to partner up with. Making the wrong choice can cost a guy his life.

[watrewks]

Ayeeeee yet one more double standard from the feminists

[ChubbyKing]

As much as they don't want to admit it, society panders to women

[AdithyaR]

Both are equally sexist. Forcing a person into a gender stereotype is sexist.

[Uptowngirl88]

Because men are hypocrites, shallow and judgmental. They want a woman to be traditional while they go out and cheat with strippers and escorts.

[Hallo626262]

Sexist pig

[Uptowngirl88]

@hallo626262 your mom

[Hallo626262]

Get psychological help

[Uptowngirl88]

@hallo626262 your dead grandma 👵

[Hallo626262]

You need help

[Uptowngirl88]

@hallo626262 on your dead grandma 👵💀💀

[Hallo626262]

Get help now

[Uptowngirl88]

@hallo626262 on your dead grandma...💀💀

[Hallo626262]

No in the office of a psychiatrist.

[Uptowngirl88]

@hallo626262 your grandma can't go to am office she's dead remember 💀💀

[MrNameless]

Sorry you feel this way because of your shitty experiences, but everyone is a hypocrite, and many women cheat as well.

[Uptowngirl88]

@MrNameless I never had this experience 😂 nice try. It was an observation based on what I've seen towards other women. Sorry you tried but failed 😂

[backblueblack22]

@uptowngirl88 you are always going to find anecdotal evidence of a man being a scumbag. Maybe this was done to you or you know someone who had this happened to them. Well welcome to the club. I’ve been fucking cheated on and when I confronted the bitch she did grandstanding mental gymnastics and gaslighting in a pitiful effort to protect her precious ego.

Just as many women cheat. I could easily show you múltiple GaG confessions where women not only admit to cheating on their bfs/husbands but also look for affirmation and justification for their bullshit.

A man would never find sympathy on here doing that crap. There was a guy who admitted that on here and I tore into him and he actually thanked me for my brutal honesty. But cheating females rarely own up to their crap.

[Anonymous]

Well the obvious things that stands out is the repression women had than men didn’t.

[LoveIsFake]

Men go through it to, people never cared about men issues and problems we face. Also that doesn't make it ok or justify why to do it

[Opinion Owner]

That’s rubbish. You see plenty of women advocating for men’s mental health.

[Opinion Owner]

Just look at the weak little blues votes above. It’s pathetic.

[LoveIsFake]

Yeah I don't know what you mean by blues votes

[InferiorElegy]

You don't see plenty of women standing up for men's rights and health issues, you see a couple maybe.

[Opinion Owner]

You do see plenty of women doing it. There are so no any that have lost male loved ones to suicide etc!

[Opinion Owner]

*many

[VanillaSalt]

See you just insulted men that feel their underrepresented… just like you feel men do to you. Your one who will break or die alone. Enjoy the end of a lonely life.

[Hallo626262]

Women were always priveleged

[Hallo626262]

You're so sexist it's incredible.

[Hallo626262]

Women can't handle arguments they accuse you of being "unattractive" and seriously think that's an argument and then block because they fear of getting their egos hurt.

So pathetic. Grow up women.

[TheFlak38]

because women are the epitome of double standards. They want to have things both ways all the time.

[ThisAndThat]

If both women and men would have remained traditional and followed God's instruction the world wouldn't have been such the mess that it is today.

[hahahmm]

I think traditional is best but let's not forget that Eve basically stabbed Adam in the back. He was loyal to her but she wasn't loyal to him... unless trying to use him as a human shield counts.

[zagor]

Because traditionally women were second-class citizens.

[hahahmm]

Anybody who doesn't take responsibility for their own actions should be a second class citizen: male or female. Let's look at it on a case by case basis, but you'll find that the vast majority of women prefer not being held accountable.

[he-takes-a-part]

Haha this question should be featured on twitter with a hashtag

[LoveIsFake]

#enddoublestandards

[Dchrls78104]

Because the rules of the game change when the female is losing.

[FamilyGuy2020]

To be perfectly honest it is a two way street, I personally don't understand it.

[OddBeMe]

Chivalry isn’t necessarily as “traditional” as staying home and not having a fcking job.

[Whtevernever]

Because your biased straw argument is biased and a straw argument.

[Anonymous]

LMFAO! It isn't. Don't let the crazy harpies get to you.

[Anonymous]

Really? Most women who say that are very turned off when the guy says he wants to be a stay-at-home dad.

[SpiderManFan2002]

It really depends on how you define “traditional.”

[LoveIsFake]

Like the basic old gender roles. Like the lifestyle and personality you were expected to have

[SpiderManFan2002]

So can you give an example?

[Nick473]

Yes defining traditional is so important. I dont think we should go back and talk about men and womans responsibility to Government and what that was like under law. there's not much benefit in that. Instead we should talk about traditional values that men admired in woman and that woman admired in men and than we can go from there.

[Sia_nee]

It's sexist both ways

[Anonymous]

Because they dont need a man. If you dont have benefits you can just go be a wanker at home

[Opinion Owner]

Women evolved to exploit most men for their attention and money.

[Anonymous]

Great question!!! We can discuss it more after she goes makes me a sandwich and finishes cleaning.

[Blackcupcake]

well that’s just dumb...

[Blackcupcake]

Well I’d be concerned if you thought more of me, so a sexist pig? I’ll sure take it, coming from the brickhead “adult” with the fragile ego...

[Hallo626262]

It's really interesting to see what feminist do to justify their sexist behavior. Really funny. You need help.

[Blackcupcake]

It’s even funnier seeing how immature losers go on to insulting people when they can’t come up with valid arguments to defend their dumb opinions...🤣

[Hallo626262]

You crazy fuck make a sexist statement and think that the one who calls it out needs some form of backing up to do? Wtf is wrong with you?
You're a typical feminist.

[Blackcupcake]

lmao what? You expect to make a dumb statement and then have everyone believe you without any valid arguments? That’s not how it works in the real world hun, wake up and face reality. You’re delusional.

[Hallo626262]

Who is everybody? I only see a sexist feminist and a reasonable person who has a hard time understanding how delusional you are.

[Blackcupcake]

Sure thing Karen🥰

[Feelicks]

It's called having your cake and eating it too.

[StunningANDbrave]

Weed out the ones that aren't worth it.

[Anonymous]

Because female hypocrisy

[SmokinAces2000]

What do you mean by a man being traditional

[Hispanic-Cool-Guy]

I say screw tradition B. S.

[Anonymous]

Becuase those women are hypocrites.

[Phoenix98]

Hypocrisy.

[banshee_cx]

It is both sexist.

[LoveIsFake]

I know but why is it it's never called sexist when a woman wants a traditional guy

[InferiorElegy]

Because the label sexist was meant to be used on men and men alone.

[banshee_cx]

@LoveIsFake because many people are stupid and hypocritical

[MudRucker]

Exactly!!!