Why do a lot of feminists want equality but still expect men to uphold traditional values?

[Chthou95]

You can't have it both ways. Either you're equal or you're not

[Phoenix98]

Because they're narcissists and hypocrites.

All I have to say on the matter is if you want me to act like a traditional man you had better be a traditional woman.

[WonderingManII]

I see that as a common problem with a lot of Women. They want things both ways when it can't be.

[Summeroflove]

They’re called narcissists…. They want the benefits of both worlds they want everything handed to them. Notice that even other women hate working with them in a professional setting. Because they demand more pay, more promotions, while having less experience, working less, less qualifications, and were hired based on diversity quotas. Not how good they are…

Stay away from these women. They’re narcissists. See they want the benefits of traditionalism…. They want men to play their roles but they don’t want to play theirs. Their idea of staying home is sitting around doing nothing. While the man works his ass off and comes home to baby her. And that just doesn’t work long term…. Eventually when he becomes miserable he will leave.

Majority of women don’t act like this. They just feel special and entitled. It’s sexist for him to expect her to play feminine roles. But he better pay for all her dates. He better do all the things a man should do… and play all the female roles too.

These women become very bitter with men in the end. Why? Because the type of men either reject them or reject them later in the relationship. Their options are to either settle for a man she doesn’t really want or remain single. Because the type of men they want…. Have better options. Yes, for a time sone of these men may give them a chance. But they will become tired of being used. And find someone with more to offer.

[MisterWack]

You can preach equality and better standards for your fellow man or woman, while upholding your own personal values.

For example, one might assume incorrectly that those wanting Pro Choice are Anti Child, the fact is if a rapist forces a pregnancy onto them then they want the right / ability to terminate it early on to not carry a rapist’s child and its their own decision. However it is also a right to have a child, settle down with the right person, and determine their own destiny later in life rather than being forced to. It isn’t Anti Child, it is the right for a woman to take control of her life which men don’t have since if you are penetrated anally by a rapist, you don’t have to worry about pregnancy (meant to put things in perspective, not saying women can’t rape men too).

There is still child marriage on the books in places, women victims who attempt to go through the legal system who are turned away, and women in general can’t get abortions (sexual assault or not) thanks to harsh regulations and restrictions forcing them to cross state lines for their rights.

[Purpleronnie]

I don’t beleive they do , you can’t group feminists together any more than you can a gender or culture. Feminism isn’t a group with one rule book.


Equality feminism focuses on same rights , same expectations while cultural feminism critique patriarchy but still value certain traditions.


A feminist saying I like it when my partner is protective is a preference
A feminist saying men should be protective is an ‘expectation’


The first is fine , the second is traditional gender roles dressed in feminism


The reality is no role is mandatory even though preferences are allowed and expectations must be reciprocal.


Should a woman want traditional effort from a man it’s perfectly legitimate and fair for the ma to ask what traditional effort the woman will give in return


That’s not being anti-feminist, that’s just logical adult negotiation

[Chthou95]

Yes but men are still expected to uphold those values. If you don't, you're met with criticisms of not being a real man. A real man does this and that. A real man is a protector etc

[Adam_INTJ]

It's motivated by selfish ambition. Feminism isn't a philosophy, so it has made little effort to make coherent reasons for a holistic outlook on society. It's a political revolutuonary cause. A political revolutionlnary cause only knows "Take the plunder; destroy the enemy." And any reason or ideology suited for that will do.

But they're finding out that it was nicer to send the men to slog away at work while they stayed home with the kids, so we may finally have turned a corner and started going closer to tradition.

[RavVid]

They clearly DO want it both ways but are clearly increasingly not getting it, after all the I don't need a man and the bear stuff.

A few weeks back I saw a woman needing to change a tire. A lot of guys were strategically watching to see how she went. If she was being dangerous I guess we would have intervened but she called someone and had got instructions.

One guy did approach to 10 yards before driving away but didn't intervene more than a few words.

She was very slow and it was like watching paint dry. After 15 mins I had to go on my way so I don't know if she succeeded.

[Telekinetic-Potato]

Because women are sick of dudes objectifying them and then getting the short end of the stick in so many places in society...

Women are at the center of a lot of problems, don't get me wrong. But this idea that they're unwarranted and it's completely ambiguous why they're so hard to please now is nuts to me.

I've been saying it since I got on this site. Women are going to realize how much power they actually have in society one day and all he'll is going to break loose and now here we are and I'm not sure they even see a problem. So what does that tell you about the state of equality?

[DextroShade]

Women only have as much power as men allow them to have, and we already gave them way too much and now society is crumbling as a result.

[Telekinetic-Potato]

@DextroShade true, but the issue isn't that men created a world where woman have some amount of participation in how the world works.

It's that women went from being stones to death for having an education to running the world in the span of 30 years. They're expected to interface with a system that for the most part has been maintained and invented by a mentality they can't possibly be expected to understand and instead of preparing women to take part in it, we just said "OK, now you can vote, go to work, go to war, split everything 50/50 have fun walking through a minefield of expectations"

I think it makes a lot of sense that women are working, they still don't really have accountability on the same level that men do, they still get objectified because they don't understand the male heuristics of how respect and leadership work as well as being expected to maintain an image of feminine that is probably very difficult to feel comfortable living inside of while competing against men in professional and confusing settings.

We can sit here and pick apart what women are doing wrong but it's cruel to do if we as men aren't going to accept responsibility for our part in why these problems are arising.

And I think that's a lot of the frustration which women are having trouble knowing how to articulate.

[DextroShade]

These problems could easily be solved by putting women back in the kitchen where they belong. They were never meant to live like men.

[Telekinetic-Potato]

@DextroShade none of them know how to cook

[Zack-Bann]

Do you realize the internet has been having this conversation in circles for decades now?
Nothing ever comes of it.
Nothing ever changes.


People want what they want
It doesn’t have to be fair or make sense


Also different women want different things.
It’s pointless to to reason with those who don’t want what you want
Just find those who do

[Chthou95]

Did you not read Feminists in the title?

[Zack-Bann]

Honestly I didn’t

And you’re right it does make the second half of my point… pointless.

But the overall point is still there
Who cares what hardcore feminists think?
They often end up alone with cats
As long as you have a good woman by your side the broken ones can do and say why they like

[Kelley1]

We don't want fairness. We want what we want.

[Chthou95]

What do feminsts actually want?

[Kelley1]

They want everything their way. What men want doesn't matter.

[Nemesis2k7]

Female narcissists

[Summeroflove]

And that’s why you’ll probably be single or in a relationship you’re unhappy with

[blackeagle007]

I sense feminist in ya. No guy will want you

[Kelley1]

@blackeagle007 You are just like most feminists. You can't stand the truth and claim it ain't so.

[blackeagle007]

All I said was that you’re a feminist

[Summeroflove]

I am sorry you’ll forever be miserable and the type of men you want will reject you. Sooner or later….

And even if you found everything you think you want. You won’t be happy long term.

I’m sorry there are women who have more to offer and men with options will pick the best.

[Summeroflove]

And it ain’t your crack whore lookin ass

[loveslongnails]

I see three problems with this statement, and there's only four subjects. LOL I can't really offer an opinion because a) I have no idea what or who you mean by "feminists" or b) what you think "equality" is or c) what you mean by "traditional values" ?

I really can't guess what you mean.

[WhitneySnow]

Equal in some ways, different in others. That being said, there is nothing at all wrong with traditional women. That’s just not me. And when I’m ready to move in with someone, of course I’ll contribute and pay half. But not until then.

[Cute_User513]

That makes sense!

[WhitneySnow]

@Cute_User513 wish there was a way to Like a reply.

[Cute_User513]

Yea me too! That would be a cool feature!

[SimonK56]

I've always seen a woman, any woman, as my equal, a woman and a man are both human beings, so I believe a woman should be treated equally as a human being, yeah, I'm an old-school gen-Xer Virgo guy born in 1969 14 days after Jimi Hendrix played at the original Woodstock Music & Arts Festival.

[Subgurl]

Because feminism and traditional values like community, respect for authority, duty and discipline, integrity and loyalty aren’t necessarily at odds.

[Chthou95]

How do you figure?

[Subgurl]

Because feminism is rooted in the idea that all genders should have equal rights, resources, opportunities, and protections, allowing everyone to reach their full potential without bias from stereotypes or discrimination, encompassing equal access to education, health, jobs, and decision-making, and valuing their different needs and aspirations equally. That isn’t at odds with traditional values unless by traditional values you belive that people should let have equal rights

[Chthou95]

If feminism really does believe both genders should be equal or have the same rights, why don't they ever actually bring up some of the things that effect men through the court system? And why not call it humanism instead if they're really for equal rights?

[Subgurl]

Many do and to be clear feminism is the advocation for but not limited to women’s rights founded on basis of gender equality.

[Chthou95]

Generally speaking you dont see them ever bringing up male issues.

[Aiko_E_Lara]

Yeah your idea of "equality"only if it benefits you. That is why a lot of feminists are modern women who don't even want modern men. The idea "feminism is for men too" had always been a propaganda to justify what women demands for. Like "feminism is about equality because it says so in the dictionary" so quick to point out that it is in the dictionary. But they fail to ignore that feminism and equality itself is not even synonymous and two completely different words. That already shows cherry picking at action speaks louder than words.

[Subgurl]

Because feminism is the advocation for women’s rights.

[Subgurl]

@Aiko_E_Lara feminism is founded on gender equality. It’s just specifically advocating for women. I don't know what dictionary you’re talking about but if you’d like me to explain I’d be more than happy to

[Chthou95]

So how does it cover male issues if it's generally based around women's rights?

[Aiko_E_Lara]

"advocating on women's rights" exactly talking about one side. The argument saying that "that doesn't mean we don't advocate for men's rights" only tokenize men's issues in there to make it seem like it's actually "equality". Because it never said "only" for women's rights is like a loophole. It's like saying the meaning of an apple never said it can't be an orange too.

[Subgurl]

Feminism is the advocation for women’s right on the basis of gender equality. The foundation is gender equality, feminism specifically addresses inequalities that disproportionately impact women that doesn’t mean they never advocate for change in other spheres

[Chthou95]

What specifically do they want when it comes to equality?

[Aiko_E_Lara]

That is what it's says on paper but not exactly in practice. Pretty much like how propagandas work and you're only appealing to the dictionary. Infact, feminists are more willing to defend that label instead of equality itself. And it still remains a fact that feminism and equality are not synonymous. Check out it's synonym list. And there's a reason why both of them are two different words in the first place.

[RxR0954]

Traditional values could be equal, there are tons of different traditional values out there in other cultures

[Chthou95]

Yes the difference though is that women can opt of theirs while men are obligated by society standards to uphold those values

[RxR0954]

You think our society doesn’t pressure and punish women for following non traditional paths? If women can break out of these rigid roles despite constantly being punished by society to do so, why can’t you? Feminism is about choice, and real feminists don’t pressure others to follow traditional value. What you described is hypocrisy, not feminism

[Chthou95]

If you don't want to have kids or raise a family, society generally doesn't shame women for not wanting those things. The strong and independent thing didn't come from nowhere.

[RxR0954]

Did you go through life as a woman? I’m not a man and i have never lived my life as a man, so i would never say “this doesn’t happen to men” just because i didn’t see it or experience it myself. And same goes for you.

[Chthou95]

Do i have to smoke cigarettes to know they're bad for me and other people?

[RxR0954]

Are you stupid?

[Chthou95]

Please answer the question

[nastyb]

@Chthou95

does it enrage you that women are no longer having kids or getting married?

sounds like the feminist has won

i wonder what will all these men who want kids will do... men can't have kids on their own

[MikeMcMansion]

Going back over 130 years ago almost no culture had a comprehension of social justice and how that communist school of thought defined equality. There were concepts of equality under the law, but not equal outcomes, thats inherently illogical and definitely not “fair”.

[MikeMcMansion]

Men can’t choose to not be drafted into a war if they are healthy and of fighting age, nor can they choose to have an abortion. Young men also usually can not choose to NOT fight a roughly equally sized man around their age after being dishonored and retain their dignity and manhood - just as a ln able bodied man is societally expected to help a child woman or elderly person in distress or who is being assaulted - he will often be legally held to some responsibility actually if he does not try to help in most countries and cases.

[Chthou95]

@nastyb Be that as it may what would that have to do with society' generally supporting women's decision to opt out at anytime?

[nastyb]

@MikeMcMansion

statistically, women tend to be the victim in relationships...
men abuse their wives FAR MORE than women abuse their husbands.
men are stronger, more aggressive and capable of doing much more harm.

this is why society tells men to not hit women. Because the damage is 20x worse

A man punching a woman can cause DEATH. Women are built much more fragile than men. Men are significantly stronger than women. If you kill a woman, you can go to jail.

[nastyb]

@Chthou95

if motherhood was such a great deal to women, why aren't women having kids?

cuz its not

[Chthou95]

@nastyb That still isn't related to what i asked

[MikeMcMansion]

@nastyb “does it enrage you that women are no longer having kids or getting married?

sounds like the feminist has won

i wonder what will all these men who want kids will do... men can't have kids on their own”

I guess Islam will just take over the world. You’re right. Men can just take your rights away, but they probably won’t. They’ll probably just let the patriarchy that the majority of women voted over into their western countries slow slowly supersede them.

[MikeMcMansion]

@nastyb I know, almost everyone knows this know. I wouldn’t hit a woman unless she was hurting someone else, in fact I’d subdue her without causing much damage to her if that was possible.

Women raising sons by themselves often learn the importance of fathers the hard way when their sons abuse them. Usually they already should’ve learned as they themselves are statistically more likely from a biologically-fatherless home.

[nastyb]

@MikeMcMansion

[I guess Islam will just take over the world. You’re right. Men can just take your rights away, but they probably won’t. They’ll probably just let the patriarchy that the majority of women voted over into their western countries slow slowly supersede them.]

the patriarchy has died and will continue to die off.

islam can't take over the world... would you ever convert to islam? NO! would donald trump ever convert to islam? . NO. would JD vance convert to islam? NO

there is even a muslim congresswoman Ilhan Omar in power at one of the highest offices on earth.

feminism has won

go cry in your corner

[MikeMcMansion]

@nastyb Feminism is a bunny chasing a mountain lion.

Feminism means humanity has lost.

When infrastructures start to crumble due to no young men repairing things like fuel refineries and power lines, the influx of immigrants that don’t care about the culture of the nations that import them…they will simply replace us (western losers to feminism).

[MikeMcMansion]

You know the birthrates are in the trash, you know men are stronger…what could go wrong?

[MikeMcMansion]

@nastyb The future belongs to those that are at the very least “there”.

No ones converting, they’re being born.

[nastyb]

@MikeMcMansion

they're actually not being born.

the muslim population is so small in the US. They would never be able to take over the US.

[nastyb]

@MikeMcMansion

plus, with all the anti muslim hate around the world, its highly unlikely they would ever be able to take over anything.

Most european countries have already banned the burqa.

you tell me how islam will take over the world.

[MikeMcMansion]

@nastyb No go zones in france, sharia courts in London, it will take time. Like 25-30 years, and if the math checks out, the west will be on its way out with next to no chance of return. This is only if there isn’t world war 3, the elite in charge of the superpowers are making moves indicative of preparation for ww3.

[nastyb]

@MikeMcMansion

there are no sharia courts in any of london.

plus, islamists love killing their own people. They love terrorism and setting off bombs.

soon, all the countries will get rid of all muslims for their bombs.

london won't keep them there for long. they're already thinking about deporting them.

deportations are also happening in the US.

[nastyb]

@MikeMcMansion

burqua had just been banned in most of Europe.

so what are you saying that sharia law will be in courts?

don't get your hopes too high

[MikeMcMansion]

@nastyb there are Muslim no zones in France, the police literally let the Muslim enclaves run themselves. The same thing as in London, communities, practice, adjacent law, they have sharia courts in London right now. The same goes for the no zones in France.

it doesn’t take a rocket scientist to figure out they are reproducing. Other immigrant populations are not reproducing at replacement levels. And of course, western natives aren’t.

[nastyb]

@MikeMcMansion

No, there are no formal Sharia courts with legal power in the UK; instead, there are non-binding Sharia councils that offer religious guidance and arbitration, primarily for family matters like marriage, divorce, and inheritance, operating as advisory bodies within UK law, which always takes precedence. These councils have no statutory authority, and their rulings aren't legally enforceable, requiring separate civil court divorces for legal recognition in England and Wales.

Advisory Role: Sharia councils provide guidance and mediation based on Islamic principles for Muslims seeking religious rather than legal resolutions.
No Legal Authority: They cannot overrule or replace the British legal system, and their decisions hold no legal weight in UK courts.
Voluntary Participation: Muslims use them voluntarily, and any resulting religious divorce (like a khula) requires a prior or parallel civil divorce to be legally valid in the UK.
Operate Within Law: While controversial, they are permitted to exist as long as they operate within the boundaries of UK law, particularly human rights and equality.
Examples: The Islamic Sharia Council (ISC) is a well-known example, offering support for marriage, divorce, and finance from a religious perspective.

In Summary:
While the term "Sharia court" is often used, what exists in the UK are Sharia councils, which are essentially religious arbitration and advisory services, not official courts of law.

www.google.com/search

[nastyb]

@MikeMcMansion

these "sharia courts" aren't legally enforceable and can only conduct matters within the limits of UK law.

[nastyb]

@MikeMcMansion

it doesn't matter how much they are reproducting... take a look at afghanistan and iran... these countries love killing people.

plus, sharia law would never work because nobody would ever want to live like the taliban... no music, no tv, no nothing.

[MikeMcMansion]

@nastyb Thanks for clarifying the sharia situation in the UK. Bureaucracy is a polite suggestion and the journalism and investigative reporting tacitly admits such for this issue. What happens on those streets is another thing all together, it has more power than you think.

[nastyb]

@MikeMcMansion

Just because your woman hating ass said it, it does not mean its true.

I trust objective research sources such as google.

Sharia courts must ultimately abide by UK law.

[MikeMcMansion]

@nastyb Sharia law is closer to “woman hating” than I ever could be. Female Genital Mutilation is happening IN LONDON AND FRANCE! They are r@ping teenage cafir/native women in numbers that put post WW2 look like a peaceful paradise!

[MikeMcMansion]

I actually care, I lost my kids to this woke BS. Tortured. Its your nonsensical convoluted slop justifying excusing and perpetuating real injustices like record numbers of immigrant r@pists and FGM in Europe.

[nastyb]

@MikeMcMansion

Yea... says the dude who wants sharia law imposed on every continent in the world

if sharia law was imposed, you would be dead for listening to music.

then some pedophile old man harasses you everyday cuz he wants to buy your 9 yr old daughter for marriage.

[abc3643]

They are not mutually exclusive.

Having "traditional values" should include oppressing women and treating them as second class citizens like in Muslim societies.

[FunkyMonkee]

I don't know, it's like how they want nothing to do with men but they buy dildos made from the molds of a man's dick!! Something's not meshing, here!!

[Joshydavid25]

They don't want equality.. They never did.. It's a Marxist movement from the start.. The idealogy has always been about usurping power. Hence why it's here the way it is today..

[nastyb]

why do men want housewives but never make enough money to be able to afford one?

[blackeagle007]

Why do women are so focused on a man’s income?

[MrOracle]

Women literally voted for "forced equality" - businesses can be sued if they don't hire enough women, regardless of whether or not they are equally qualified or bring equal value to the company - and they are also required to pay within the same pay range, even if the women are half as productive as the men.

When most women didn't work outside the home, there were fewer workers available to industry, and men could command higher wages because they were expected to support a family on a single income. When women joined the workforce en-masse in the 1970s, the number of workers almost doubled, which diluted the value of all labor, and thus began a huge divergence between productivity and wages:



Women working also meant that women were now paying income tax, and so overall wages were further lowered.

The problem is that people think you can change one major factor (like women working outside the home in huge numbers) and everything else will stay the same, but that's not how reality works. Women working outside the home caused big changes in all kinds of areas, and created a very new "normal" were the average man can't earn as much as they did before, even if they are more productive.

[spartan55]

This is about women, not us. Just won't ever be accountable

[Chthou95]

Why do women get pregnant by men they know can't financially support them?

[blackeagle007]

Women are in a hurry to be in a relationship. Men are in a hurry for sex

[nastyb]

@blackeagle007

because a woman can't work while she is heavily pregnant... if a man cannot provide for her... it usually means death for her and the baby. Kids born to financially stable parents tend to do better at every age in life.

[nastyb]

@MrOracle

women want to work because women were getting abused by their husbands. Their husbands divorced them leaving them penniless... so they smartened up and decided to become career women.

if men treated women better, there would still be houewives

don't get mad at me for pointing out the truth... I'm just the messenger

[blackeagle007]

Heard of paternity leave? I’m all for working. I wouldn’t want to date someone who doesn’t work. But you require men to make at least 6 digits a year. Unrealistic standards

[MrOracle]

A very SMALL percentage of women were getting abused by their husbands. Even today, abuse is rare. Feminists love to talk about abuse, but that's rarely the reason for divorce today. The main reason for divorce today is, in fact, because the woman decides she's bored and she thinks the grass is greener with some other guy - which is why women initiate 77% of divorces. Of course, the grass is almost never greener, and many women regret divorcing their husbands, but it's almost always too late to reconcile by that point.

I think it's hilarious that women think it's better to be exploited by some man at a company who doesn't care about her and will fire her in the blink of an eye when she's not needed anymore, rather than be taken care of by her husband and get to stay home and not deal with the corporate BS, the commute, and all of that. The vast majority of husbands work very hard to provide for their families as best they can, and to keep them safe. No company will ever do that for you - you're just an expendable labor unit that they can't wait to replace with AI or robots.

[blackeagle007]

@MrOracle women believe they never have to have accountability. Social media tells them they are perfect and to only date men that are 10’s

[Chthou95]

@MrOracle If you really wanna rub salt on the wound, show the divorce statistics for lesbian marriages

[nastyb]

@blackeagle007

women can't work while heavily pregnant. It can be straight up inhumane to force a woman who feels like she is about to vomit every morning to wake up early to go to work. She could barely bend down to tie her shoes, could barely walk a mile and yet she is forced to work long hours. Its especially bad if she has a physical job standing 8-12 hours a day

its great way to kill a baby or ruin it's health before it is born, by forcing moms to work as much as possible.

if you stress the mother out, the baby will be stressed too. if mom is exhausted, what do you think the impact will be on the baby?

after the baby is born, mom needs to stay home to breastfeed...

someone needs to take care of the baby after it is born... who will do it? if mom is working?

hire a stranger- who could range anything from a child molester to abuser to serial killer?

there is a reason why women want rich men... because it will make her life easier and be better for the children

[blackeagle007]

Be realistic. How many rich men exist in this country? This is what we mean by women only go after top 5% of men.

[nastyb]

@MrOracle

ok.. if an employer can fire you in a minute... what makes you think a man can't divorce his wife in a minute?

even for men who don't abuse their wives... men used to divorce their wives leaving her PENNILESS... this has happened all throughout history.

The notion that women "take half" upon divorce is a lie. Statistically women have been poorer after divorce especially if she has to feed 3 kids on a minimum wage job with a tiny bit of child support.

this is why women work careers... to ensure their safety upon divorce.

plus in regards to abuse:

statistically, women are 3x more likely to face violence in a relationship than men. Husbands abuse wives way more than vice versa. Men are stronger, more aggressive, better fighters... making women vulnerable to injuries and death. Women are more fragile, weaker and less able to defend themselves.

[nastyb]

@Chthou95

there is evidence that married men live longer lives than single men
but married women don't live longer lives than single women.

just think about why

[nastyb]

@blackeagle007

men don't have accountability.

men are much more likely to commit crimes than women

men are much more likely to start wars than women

men are much more likely to abandon their children than women

men are much more likely to be diagnosed with psychopathy, narcissism, sociopathy, anti social personality disorder.

ask for the links... i can show you

[blackeagle007]

Uhh women initiate divorce more. Checkout the the #’s on that. Maybe it means “I’m bored and I have so many options” We actually are more loyal. You all have so many options which is why it’s hard for us to meet you. Plus the number of times demostic violence happens if from woman abusing the man. Other times, woman makes up the whole thing

[nastyb]

@blackeagle007

why do you think married women live shorter lives than single women?

cuz their husbands suck

[nastyb]

@blackeagle007

statistics show that women are 3x more likely to get abused by their husbands than vice versa

[blackeagle007]

And wives do abuse husbands. Sorry to tell you. No side is an angel here. You’re avoiding the fact women aren’t so loyal to their husbands as they are the big divorce initiators

[Chthou95]

I don't know why. Please explain

[MrOracle]

Men have all the accountability. Men literally built the world, and all the infrastructure, and it's men who maintain that infrastructure, even when it means being maimed or killed. And it's the vast majority of men who protect you and all the other women and children from the small percentage of evil, violent men. Oh, and let's mention that it's women who vote for laws which are soft on crime and allow repeat violent offenders to be released. Women vote for light sentences and for non-prosecution of crimes nearly 3 times more than men. And then more people get hurt and killed. Where is the accountability?

[nastyb]

@MrOracle

men don't have accountability.

men are much more likely to commit crimes than women

men are much more likely to start wars than women

men are much more likely to abandon their children than women

men are much more likely to be diagnosed with psychopathy, narcissism, sociopathy, anti social personality disorder.

ucr.fbi.gov/.../table_42_arrests_by_sex_2012.xls

[nastyb]

@MrOracle

Men built the world? the very same men start wars and destroy the world.

women built the world. women RISK THEIR LIVES TO GIVE BIRTH to babies. Women raise children as SINGLE MOTHERS. where are the fathers? no where to be found!

men will not exist without their mothers hard work birthing and raising them

WOMEN HAVE DIED ALL THROUGHOUT HISTORY BIRTHING CHILDREN. It had only been the past 50 years where death during childbirth had decreased. But even nowadays, women STILL DIE during childbirth.

[blackeagle007]

Why is it women who commit crimes get off with a slap on the wrist? I don’t remember what store this happen but this lady made a false accusation that this Indian guy try to kidnap her child. They looked at the cameras and he never did. Charges on him got dropped later on. But shouldn’t have gone that far. It was a cry for attention. Face it, women crave dumb attention

[Aiko_E_Lara]

Do you even not realize many men actually choose to be single only for women to humiliate them? That's because they know you're not worth their money

[nastyb]

@blackeagle007

because thats not true. there is no law that says women get shorter and lighter sentences than men.

however, men tend to be more evil and commit more crimes... thats why they get arrested more.

[nastyb]

@Aiko_E_Lara

because men like you abandon your kids for single moms to raise.

[MikeMcMansion]

Women tend to choose psychopaths or very busy wealthy men to marry now more than ever. Its their choice. As a whole women still tend to live longer than men, married men or single. And there’s still more single men than single women.

If some of those men leave their spouses penniless some how, that was their choice to marry him. Statistically men lose more in divorces this no secret. We are often alienated from our children while having to give up the car house and often 40% of our income and go to jail for not paying child support.

In kentucky they started defaukt 50-50 custody and made criminal accusations by another spouse to character defame the other - go to criminal court with due process, the follow recent years divorce rates dropped BY 76%!!

[MikeMcMansion]

*the percentage is in the 70s

[nastyb]

@MikeMcMansion

[If some of those men leave their spouses penniless some how, that was their choice to marry him. ]

why do you think women nowadays refuse to get married to men or have children.

because men suck...

husbands are never there to support their wives.

there are plenty of "married single moms" walking around.

[Statistically men lose more in divorces this no secret. We are often alienated from our children while having to give up the car house and often 40% of our income and go to jail for not paying child support.]]

men don't lose more in divorce. women lose more in divorce. Statistically, women make less money than men and are usually stuck raising the kids after a divorce.

Men usually make more money and don't have to raise their kids after a divorce.

SHE IS RAISING YOUR GODAMN KIDS.. WHY WOULDN'T SHE TAKE THE HOUSE AND THE CAR?

She has 3 KIDS TO FEED, NANNY, TAKE CARE of... you barely take care of your own kids

[blackeagle007]

So are you in that position?

[nastyb]

@blackeagle007

no. I would never want to get married. I don't plan on having kids either. I'm a career woman

[nastyb]

@blackeagle007

motherhood is work and suffering for women

fatherhood is filled with fun for men... because he is only a dad 25% of the time.

[blackeagle007]

Then why are you complaining?

[blackeagle007]

You’re not a mother. There’s no baby daddy you deal with

[MikeMcMansion]

@nastyb Dad is also teacher and often co-worker/boss where I come from. Its 100% of the time.

[nastyb]

@blackeagle007

I'm not complaining. I'm just stating the truth.

Sounds like you just don't like hearing about the truth.

there is a reason why women aren't getting married or having babies anymore.

so for the men who want kids... i do feel sorry for you. it might never happen.

[nastyb]

@MikeMcMansion

thats why women aren't having kids anymore. rightfully so.

[Aiko_E_Lara]

"because men" that is always the answer feminist say. Of course not even realizing that women can decide anytime where they can opt out of parenthood, Even decide any male is the father and the male has to prove that he is not the father in one month or otherwise he would be being for child support even for children he is not going to meet. Cases where women abuse their child and leave their husbands and still continue to get child support exist. And that is exactly why many men chose to be single in the first place and those guys who choose to be single have no women to abandon.

https://youtu.be/zO9nUBazWEg?si=plJknAG2cCO5hCB0

[nastyb]

@Aiko_E_Lara

only a man would say that a mother can opt out of parenthood anytime she wants...

because you have no morals

[nastyb]

@Aiko_E_Lara

men would only need paternity tests if he sleeps around with too many women.

if you picked one woman, a good woman, you would never need a paternity test.

paternity tests are for man whores.

[blackeagle007]

Or for men who’s suspected their ladies cheated

[Aiko_E_Lara]

And yet paternity test triggers a lot of women which men actually wants. Also if you think it's only a man that's saying it then you can take a look at the likes and dislikes ratio and the comment sections of that video if you think that it's only a man who agrees with that. If women disagree with that video then half of the comment sections would have been opposing governments

[Aiko_E_Lara]

*opposing comments

[CherryLove007]

It's not that black and white here in the imperfect world.

Masculine needs to stay masculine so that conflict cannot happen.

[beefcakebradybatson]

You mean a golden glamour chap such as I?

[Dargil]

How does feminists wanting equality relate to men upholding traditional values? Men do not support inequality of men and women.

[Chthou95]

Do they still expect men to be providers and protectors?

[Dargil]

That is cultural tradition. It has benefitted societies toe millennia.

[Chthou95]

Do feminsts still expect those things from men even after wanting equality?

[Dargil]

I think the word you mean is not equality, it is equity. Equality is equal opportunity Equity is equal outcome. Men have advantages in society that compensate for the chivalry we give women.

[Chthou95]

What advantages do men have that they feel obligated to uphold traditional values?

[Dargil]

Advantages? Men are superior in almost every respect.

[Dargil]

Feminism is a social trend that will fade into the black the first time the crap hits the fan.

[Chthou95]

How can it fade if men were the very ones that helped them form the movement?

[Dargil]

They did it for the easy pussy. After the crap hits the fan, There will not be any easy pussy. There will only be women seeking refuge from men.

[Maybe_Maybe_not]

Which traditional values are we talking about?

[Chthou95]

Providing and protection

[Maybe_Maybe_not]

Okay, I haven't even met women expecting me to provide, feminist or not, so I can't really relate to the question

[blackeagle007]

Maybe not- you haven’t met any woman

[Maybe_Maybe_not]

More precisely, I haven't met women, in a romantic context, who had traditional enough views. But I'm sure they must exist somewhere, I just don't happen to meet them

[Miristheiss]

It serves them.

To be treated as if they are special and still as like they are the same as a man.

[Hagar88]

Same reason a lot of minorities want equal rights but also the right to play the victim card.

[jshm2]

The same way White people want Blacks and Browns to work... But only on traditional pay, not modern pay.

[Kingofkings1992]

God god you're a fucking idiot

[DonaldDarko]

Probably not bright enough to think things through.

[Chthou95]

Who?

[genericname85]

Cause they are for more fights for women. They aren't an equality movement. It's not called egalitarianism. It's called feminism. It's in the name.

[Filthy_Immigrant]

cause they want to live in a world where they dont have to ever face responsibilty of accountability

[nastyb]

same reason why men commit more crimes than women

[Chazmatazz269]

@nastyb, there’s absolutely no evidence of that nonsense.

[Filthy_Immigrant]

@nastyb that makes no fucking sense.

I dont hear those men who commit crime bitching and whining whenever they get sentenced for it and trust me, the justice department punishes men far more harshly than women, even when they commit the same exact crime.

[Chthou95]

@nastyb What's the race of the men commiting the most crimes 😏

[nastyb]

@Chazmatazz269 @filthy_immigrant

proof is here

ucr.fbi.gov/.../table_42_arrests_by_sex_2012.xls

[Filthy_Immigrant]

@nastyb and your point?

I never said men dont commit more crime than women do. all I did was remind you how irrelevant your statement is

[Drumlin2001]

They don't want equality. I've never heard a single feminist advocate for equal treatment of parents in family court

[XXblack88]

Cause they want to eat there cake and have it at the same time which isn't possible.

[_piotr]

They do not want equality, but superiority. They hate and despise men and want to treat us as slaves or servants.

[DextroShade]

Feminism was never about equality, just female supremacy.

[worldscolide]

Yeah not all feminists are like that, just the bad ones that the good ones refuse to expel.

[Aiko_E_Lara]

Because they want what's convinient. They selectively choose what benifits them meaning it's never really about equality.

[Aiko_E_Lara]

Also, I just really love how many women don't give any straight answers to this.

[robocop666]

6:00 onwards

https://www.youtube.com/embed/EnjOFrQER0s

[Sabretooth]

they do want quality... in terms of privilege.

[Bakunyuu]

The feminists are hypocrites!

[SolitarySolace]

Because they’re actually closeted misandrists

[CalmUntilAbused]

Not so much closeted at this point, to be honest. 🤣

[SolitarySolace]

True

[msc545]

Because they want to have it both ways of course.

[OneViewpoint]

That is a basic truth of human nature. Male or female. Boss or employee. We want all of the good stuff and none of the bad stuff.

[Chthou95]

@OneViewpoint That's true but men understand it doesn't work that way

[msc545]

Women do not understand that because they often get it that way.

[OneViewpoint]

@Chthou95,

So do most women. What you're seeing and responding to is the 10% of women who are delusional and entitled and very visible on the internet.

[Quigly]

Cause Feminists are hypocrites

[Massageman]

xx ≠ xy. Story over.

[Chazmatazz269]

That’s the copout of the dumbest people on the planet.

[Massageman]

With the exception of a rare genetic anomaly, just stating the truth.

[noohair]

It is the ugly woman's prerogative.

[beefcakebradybatson]

Hypocrisy.