Why should women be traditional when this is the attitude with the genders flipped?

[MzAsh]

Many men express disinterest to disgust even at the thought of becoming the homemaker, even when the wife is wealthy and taking care of the finances. Given that attitude, how can we expect women to find that role attractive?

Reference: www.instagram.com/.../?igsh=MWwyNm5kcWh2ZTdoOQ==

[MicahRaine]

"Why should women be traditional when this is the attitude with the genders flipped?"

"Many men express disinterest to disgust even at the thought of becoming the homemaker"

You're asking why women should be traditional when men are traditional, and implying that something is wrong with traditional men wanting a traditional wife. This is clearly not a legitimate prompt and I would describe it as "mongering." As such your "question" should be dismissed.

What you should be asking, if you want legitimate understanding, is one of two things:

1) "Why should women be traditional if men are not traditional?"
2) "Why should women be untraditional if men are traditional?"

Nevertheless, I'll still answer your question.

Women who want a partner with an untraditional "attitude" should NOT be traditional. Being traditional but seeking an untraditional partner leads to unhappiness, poverty, and general strife.

In my personal opinion, women and men should not be pressured to be either traditional or untraditional. That is a personal choice. However, men and women must accept and be aware of the fact that being traditional will attract traditional partners, and being untraditional will attract untraditional partners. Those partners will also come with all the values and personality traits that are a part of being traditional or untraditional. Of course, there is a rare exception when "opposites attract."

[MzAsh]

No, I’m asking why women would want to be traditional when it’s clearly a role that far too many men don’t respect. When these men are promoted to cook and clean, they act like it’s entirely beneath them, as they’ve demonstrated in the video comments. Well if it’s so beneath them, why do they expect women to fall in line with it?

[MicahRaine]

The majority of men don't believe cooking, cleaning, or otherwise contributing to homemaking is below them. They just feel better equipped to work outside the home rather than in it, and do not want to be married to someone who expects them to do all the tasks inside and outside of the home. This is incredibly reasonable in my opinion.

[MzAsh]

I agree. Women don’t want to be married to someone who expects them to do all the tasks inside and outside of the home too, which is why there’s a trend in breadwinning wives filing for divorce.

[MicahRaine]

Yeah that makes sense. Men are just generationally less accustomed to doing household chores.

[Zack-Bann]

Men respect women in that role but not other men
You’re comparing apples to oranges
The role isn’t identical for men and women


A trad man is not a home maker he’s a breadwinner
And that is very much respected


The thing about modern society is that we want everything to make perfect sense from our point of view before doing something


The generations of old did things because that’s how things were done, they didn’t question the status quo and lived happier for it


If a woman doesn’t wanna be traditional it’s her choice and no one can force her into it but the idea that it’s due to men unwilling to be homemakers is based on a false premise


Men and women are not the same, and can’t be judged by the same metrics

[MzAsh]

Let me clarify. This isn’t just about women avoiding homemaking because men don’t want to do it. The core issue is respect. Men might say they respect women in traditional roles, but their actions often tell a different story. And when women are the breadwinners, men generally don’t feel the need to add value at home. If a woman’s paying the bills, men aren’t lining up to contribute domestically. Why? Because even if it were the only way to contribute, many of these men don’t view homemaking as a “real” way to add value.

We see this reflected in trends and statistics. There’s no reason why men shouldn’t respect other men in that role.

[Zack-Bann]

Ok now its my turn to clarify

Men don’t respect other men who take up home making as their wives work

But they DO respect women who do it

Because homemaking is a traditional female role not a male one
Traditional men are expected to work hard to feed a family as the sole breadwinner of the family

[RageBabe]

Women have choices; you may decide whether or not to follow tradition. Western women in particular are not shackled at the ankles; some women like the traditional role and others don't; simple as that.

[Date_a_Snob]

I'm very traditional with my husbandre-state//background_color_rgba (0, 0, 0, 0), font_color_rgb (77, 77, 77), justifyLeft

[MisterWack]

I don’t give a crap about “tradition” or “modern women”, it should be you & your partner working together for what fits your needs & your desires. No one should feel left out. When you are in a relationship and want it to work, you both make it work or else it just isn’t a relationship.

Men and women should make things work for their best interests at heart in their relationship, talk it out & work it out & feel it out together. Don’t go by alpha male content or feminist weekly or whatever, go by your needs & your desires.

When I say, “your needs & your desires”. I mean the needs and desires for both parties in the relationship, just so we are clear. Please go on and live the best life you can live with your partner because when you both are good, life feels so good together.

[tzdc21]

Say it louder for the people in the back.

[MisterWack]

@tzdc21 I think if I had to use one of these ‘📢’
Then those people in the back are too far away 🤣

[Miristheiss]

They aren't. They also should not expect traditional treatment from men. Romance, courting, paying for dates, marriage, holding the doors open.

Are there any western women who don't believe in sex outside of marriage, who are waiting for marriage? No.

There aren't any traditional women so your comment is moot. Why should women be traditional? None are so it is irrelevant. All are on the pill, want career first, lose their virginity to some dork in high school, they go to college to learn to be an activist and hate their country, they get ran through and party, dress sleazy, get drunk, they curse, get tattoos piercings... then they all expect men to treat them "traditionally" and they all think they deserve 9 and 10 super elite men.

[MicahRaine]

. . . I know several women who are waiting for marriage and are exceptionally traditional. Just go out to the country where the generational ranchers and farmers are.

[Shamalien]

Sanitation workers also don’t get the respect they deserve. In fact, many of the most important roles in society never do, while celebrities who offer nothing but degenerate entertainment do.

As for the reason MEN express disgust at being the homemaker, it’s because it’s not what we’re built for. Women have soft tushy asses for sitting around and big feedbags on their chest for the kids, not to mention are generally better at handling an assortment of tasks simultaneously where as men generally want to focus on one thing.

The day male birth control makes men as womanly as female birth control makes women manly, perhaps the full switch will occur and the satanists will finally have their way

[loveslongnails]

It's unusual for you cite such extremist examples, even of role reversal comments. Men who view helping with raising a family by doing the nitty-gritty as slave labor shouldn't be having families. Are there THAT many of them, or are they the exception? I really don't have data on this.

But as a general rule, isn't it true that women have a much stronger desire, and even capacity, to be the primary nurturer in a family? Don't they already find motherhood attractive and desirable, even to the point where some women want to do that almost exclusively?

[Goahead76]

Not to mention, women burn out on these demanding jobs and being the provider. The entire premise is absurd. It goes against eons of evolutionary psychology.

[BetaBucks]

Because women shouldn't make personal life decisions based on a handful of random dudes on a YouTube video. She should make them based on her personal desires and the desires of her potential life partner. re-state//background_color_rgba (0, 0, 0, 0), font_color_rgb (77, 77, 77), justifyLeft

[MzAsh]

I agree with you, but this is about more than just a handful of random assholes online. Women homemakers throughout history have never had the respect they deserve.

[BetaBucks]

I'd be curious what percentage of men prefer a homemaker vs a career woman? Even if only a small minority of men want that, a woman can still find those men if that's what she wants. in my opinion it should never matter what other men want for themselves. Or what other women want her to do.

Side note, I think most of the negativity about SAHMs originates from terrible divorce laws and biased application of those laws.

[MicahRaine]

Amen to this

[Kaneki05]

Find me a rich girl who wants to marry me, and let me stay at home all day.
And you'll for sure not see me disgusted or disinterested lmao.
It sounds perfect.

And if I was a girl I would just bank on selling my sexuality instead or both.
Easy money, easy life. It's honestly weird to me when girls don't want to do this, and want to make life harder cause reasons unknown to me.
But everyone wants to live the life they want and to get one you need the other.

[Darwin_n_chill]

Because that is the role that women have had primarily for 99.999% of evolutionary history. The fact that things have suddenly changed, and I mean very very suddenly, in an evolutionary timescale, does not change the way we feel, which is largely instinctual.

[AmeerX]

Men were built to face the society. Women are not. They thrive better in tranquility and peace of home. Why do you want to distort reality after millions of years.

Yeah, Queens and Princesses were exceptions to this rule but even they themselves didn't like other women trying to face them.

[sawno]

Women more often want to be. Men aren't made for constant social stuff we have a more thing based focus and interest. For many women being free of the financial burden and able to spend time with her children is a blessing.

[kaucky1]

Oh women put up with lies some in💢🫧💫🕳️they just not know what gender they really seem put together like Mr. Potato Head they afraid it won't stay but they get extorted unable to feel it when they touch it well ones that gnawed self off gotten a clit all guys be gals for day to a month or when seems fit to man up re-state//background_color_rgba (0, 0, 0, 0), font_color_rgb (77, 77, 77), justifyLeft

[CupcakeTheDestroyer]

If we’re empowering women to be independent and work outside of the home, but not encouraging men to become home makers then we’re not empowering women. We’re exploiting them.

[Nikki1989]

I would stay clear of these absurd posts on nonsense like Instagram.

[NathanDavis]

why should someone even entertain stupid ass idead from stupid ass people...

just don't...

[strateguy632]

The EXPECTATION is due to nature.

Nature gave men no-milk boobs. But women, nature said, take care of kids.

[Stevepro68]

What I've been a single parent for 7 years I work and take care of my home. Why does one mean the other isn't an option?

[jshm2]

It isn't the attitude. Just an attitude.

Stop playing the victim.

[PrettyCrumblBb]

Desirable men want their wife to be a homemaker/housewife. Most men that are rich prefer women who are traditional because they are more traditional themselves.

[captain_voidwalker]

You sitting me id love to spend a few hours a day cleaning and cooking. Sounds like paradise compared to the 16 to 18 hours per day I work nowre-state//background_color_rgba (0, 0, 0, 0), font_color_rgb (77, 77, 77), justifyLeft

[Likes2drive]

Even wealthy women don’t want a guy to be a homemaker. They want a man to be equally as wealthy.

[Enginn]

Because women don't like men who don't work. Why would she do all the work and like her man to relax at home all day long?

[MzAsh]

Well like women who are homemakers, he wouldn’t be relaxing all day. You saying is exactly why women like me aren’t interested in that role. Because I understand the labor involved, and yet you’re over here referring to it as relaxing.

[MzAsh]

And by the way, I do work all day and pay the bills and my husband works but if I earned 200k or more, I’d LOVE for him to not have to work and focus on getting our home more in shape. I like working a hell of a lot more than cooking and cleaning. I know people say I’m an anomaly there, but have enough exhausted and underappreciated housewife women coming to me for coaching on how to get a little respect from their husbands who think all they do all day is relax.

[Enginn]

Well thats how it usually is. Man will work and wife will welcome him home. Sure she can work too but statistics say unemployed men are likely to get divorced. We dont want that. So its a you problem.

[MzAsh]

Would you like to take a stab at *why* stay at home husbands get divorced?

[Enginn]

Sure we can debate. I think its mostly starts with cheating.

[Enginn]

It*..

[MzAsh]

What makes you think cheating is significant here? What I see is are trends that stay at home husbands aren’t picking up the slack around the house. Meaning wives are doing most it, working, paying bills, then coming home to have to cook and clean. I’d be looking at a separation too if that were me.

[Enginn]

I think its because most of us men think its a woman's work. I know you girls think too much about details and have to take care of lots of things about yourselves while I like to keep things simple and say enough is enough. But I wouldn't want to separate if she listens what I say and do it.

[Jennz6]

I don’t have any interest in that, I’m just a Dancer 💃

[BoobMan]

Not sure I follow. How can you expect women to find WHAT role attractive?

[MzAsh]

The traditional housewife role, when it’s clearly a role that isn’t properly respected.

[BoobMan]

I'm not sure you can say it isn't respected. I think most men respect the hell out of that role!

[MzAsh]

How do they show it?

[BoobMan]

I presume it differs for each couple, but it's a pretty personal thing, no?

[Unit1]

By not enforcing women to start liking house-husbands would be a start.

[debtfree_oneyear]

I'm married. I'm very traditional and so is my husbandre-state//background_color_rgba (0, 0, 0, 0), font_color_rgb (77, 77, 77), justifyLeft

[debtfree_oneyear]

I meant if I were married, I would want a traditional wife.

[seeyounexttuesday]

Stupid instagram commenters <> reality