Do you think “traditional” gender roles are outdated?

[gothbxtch]

i do. people should obviously feel free to follow gender roles if they want, but that should be their choice, and gender non-conforming people shouldn’t be judged

[Daphne_Furness]

Yes, we should be gender fluid by now. If you feel like a man, then dress and act like a man. It is OK and your right. If you feel like a woman, then dress and act like a woman. It is your right to do so, no matter what gender you were assigned at birth.

[gothbxtch]

exactly based

[Siri137]

"Assigned" at birth? You mean determined at birth.

[Anonymous]

Yeah. Labels box people in. You cannot be your best version and be one sided.

[gothbxtch]

absolutely!

[ZamerZ]

While I personally do believe they are outdated, I also think that people should live the way that makes them content. Choice is the most important thing. If someone wants to break with stereotypical gender roles, they should go ahead. If someone wants to live their life in the traditional way like generations did before, that's fine too. As long as it does no harm, both is legit.

But I have the impression that the progress we've made in the recent years as a society is now kind of re-enforcing gender roles in some way. We know that progress isn't linear and that it is more like a curve. So that means, we can't go up, up, up and it gets better and better, but rather that at some point, we reach the top and then we go back down - although we're still trying to improve things. Only that it now has the opposite effect.

For an example: I've been a tomboy my whole life. In terms of looks, mannerism, interests, jobs. I've had conservatives and "traditional people" sneering at me like "You're not a real woman, you're too masculine!". We've made a progress to move on from that way of thinking and most people don't look down at me anymore for my life choices. But on the other hand, I've also encountered many "progressives" in the recent years who claimed "You're not a woman, you must be trans!" - so, in my ears that enforces the idea that the only logical reason for my interests in stereotypically male things would be that I am male, myself. And I don't think that's the way to go about it, either. We all are more multi-facetted than that.

[Potteplante]

Gender roles are socially constructed, they're neither static nor universal.

I'm sure if we treated children the same, or at least similar, based on the indivual - not based on their gender, men and women would be more similar as adults.

But we don't, research shows that infants even get treated differently - based on their gender and this continues throughout the whole childhood.

[Waqsq]

If life is difficult people run back to gender roles, it’s very real. In times of hardship it always happens. Feminism exists in a vacuum of an easy life.

[gothbxtch]

i totally agree with you here!

[Potteplante]

@Waqsq sure, you're right. My life is so much easier than yours because I'm a woman. No one in this world has it has hard as men - the true saviours and victims of this world.

[gothbxtch]

haha i like you @potteplante

[strateguy632]

wrong i tested on my toddlers. gave a stuff bear to 3 year old girl she fed like bottle baby. gave doll to toddler boy he dropped it and looked for his 2 inch car to push.

[ZamerZ]

@strateguy632 I suppose that these aren't the very first toys they have received and that they have been exposed to other children in kindergarten and so on playing with their toys, and also to children's books and movies, advertisement. So, unless you've raised them totally isolated from society and media or you have an ultra-sound with your boy holding a toy-car in his mom's womb, there is nothing to it. This is learned behaviour in the first place since toddlers immitate what they see. When they get older and become aware that they are an actual person, those can turn into preferences of course, but they can also entirely vanish. I am a woman and never have I ever enjoyed playing baby, pregnant, family or anything, not even when I was a toddler. So no, kids aren't born with instictive gender roles.

[strateguy632]

@ZamerZ still he could choose and chose so did she. if you ignore the CHILD choice you are a fraud.

[ZamerZ]

@strateguy632 that wasn't the point. But thanks for proving mine.

[Potteplante]

@ZamerZ lol, I see boys with dolls and girls with cars constantly. I've been working with children for years now. So I think my sample size is a little bigger than the two toddlers you've raised.

[Potteplante]

@ZamerZ sorry - that was supposed to be target at @strateguy632

[ZamerZ]

No problem. I support your statement.

[Lionman95]

I wouldn´t say per se yes or no. Because I can understand that someone doesn´t like them. But throwing out everything of the past and saying people should be free to choose what they want is the reason men and women today are confused about dating and relationships.
Because if everyone is different that´s something that has to be figured in a relationship as well. That can cause stress.
At the same time I´m personally neither completely fond of "traditional" genderroles because I love cooking so much and at some time I´m not at all interested in mechanics and cars.

[Unit1]

Yep. These are too ancient and mostly obsolete now.

Hell even in Ancient Empires like Mongolia the women mastered things like horse riding, bow and Javelines. So in a way feminism was prevalent even back then. Women were doing something.

https://www.youtube.com/embed/_UB9c7SWdWk

Screw Gender Roles if you ask me. We are in 2023.

[Siri137]

They're not just outdated, but they were never a good idea in the first place. People should be free to be whomever or whatever they want to be, without any pressure or judgement from silly old nostalgic fuddy-duddies who can't handle the fact that it's not 1850 anymore.

It's called progress, and we need more of it. :)

[ohsheeT]

For me they always have been I mean if I see something that needs to be done I'm going to do it I'm not going to do something just because I have a title of something else that somebody had given me that I probably didn't want anyway no if I see something it needs to be done I will take care of it it's not a big deal to me

[Reichmann75]

I think they are outdated and I also think that is why modern relationship always turn so bad. Couples are not like my grandparents anymore, they don't last for decades/life.

Modern women want to act like men. Men don't want to act like women. This is a big problem for a relationship to work. And that's a reason why modern men are not really trying anymore to "be in a relationship", and instead look for casual relations/sex only.

[Berethor]

No, men and women are different biologically, and the gender roles come natural mostly.

https://allthetropes.org/wiki/Damsel_in_Distress

[Apple1996]

Yeah they are outdated for the most part. People should just be able to do both roles if they are really independent

[inhua]

if they were outdated, then there wouldn't have so many problems in the dating market, relationship breakdowns, family breakdowns etc.

traditional gender roles are only considered outdated for women, nobody says it's outdated for men, actually men get frequently shamed for not meeting the unrealistic expectations that are just exaggerations of a traditional masculine man

[gothbxtch]

i think that male gender roles are just as outdated

[inhua]

except women are still going after men who fit the "outdated" mold of being tall, strong, handsome, rich, dominant etc. and when they can't find them, they demand for them

hard for something to be outdated when women are responsible for shaping humanity's gene pool and they tend to want to produce men who shape humanity's technological advancements

[gothbxtch]

I don't know man i disagree with you on multiple levels. i don’t want to fight about it, but just fwiw i have a boyfriend who is shorter than me lmao

[inhua]

yes there are a small minority of girls ok with a shorter boyfriend or boyfriends whom they are superior to in some way but the vast majority of girls still opt for guys who are or have the potential to be better than them or at the very least better than most men

one such example can be found in height where humans have progressively gotten taller and taller over the generations, this is because taller men were being selected as mates and shorter men are not being selected as much

[Nikki1989]

Yes, they are a relic of the past and deserve to stay there.

[strateguy632]

i disagree, women should use their body to feed not only bottles or formula.

[BarryLiverstone]

It’s not the 1950s anymore. Think when people find a partner they should figure it out between them. For example my brother is married with kids but he does the cooking.

[dolemite58]

Just cuz women are in the workforce more and having less children doesn’t mean they’ve completely dropped their gender roles. I don’t see women volunteering to do all the physically difficult or dangerous jobs that men have to do to keep society going. When things actually get dangerous and really difficult women usually revert back to their gender roles real quick. As Bill Burr once said, there’s no such thing as a feminist in a house fire.

[strateguy632]

let us have 50 50 garbage collecter? won't have enough. unlesss send unemployed there.

[jimmy2]

Not at all God made humans who are we to say it out dated when from dirt He made Adam
God saw Adam was lonely
So he put Admin a deep sleep and took a rib from and created Eve
For us to say anything that God has created shows we are not in God's will

[Miah05]

I wouldn't say outdated.

I would say forcing everyone to follow something is a cult like mentality.

We should be free to chose what works for us based on each couples preferences.

[artgorgeous]

While people are free to do whatever they want with THEIR lives, they need to understand at the same time, that soft-forcing other people doing the same thing is not their business.

[Spongebobssocks]

No not really. They bring out our biggest natrual strenghts. However I am happy that in the west people can choose the life they want.

[Anonymous]

Do whatever is agreed upon by both parties, however, I think the traditional way was done that way for a reason.

I think the fact that both sexes have been decreasing in feelings of happiness since the 70s might have something to do with it.

[strateguy632]

outdated? something old doesn't lose its validity. humans had eyes for a million years very old are eyes outdated?

[sheikalana]

I don't think is outdated but as you said everyone should be free to follow whatever works for them and whatever they believe in.

[Anonymous]

You're kind of contradicting yourself there, aren't you?

[gothbxtch]

what i mean is that enforcing them as the norm is outdated!, sorry if i phrased that badly.

[Opinion Owner]

OK, I agree with you. Thanks.

[TonyMetal___86]

They aren't outdated, i love the traditional life and i'll only marry a girl who adores becoming a housewife

[Hispanic-Cool-Guy]

Traditional BS gender roles from the heathens are stupid and never made sense to me.

Biblical gender roles within a marriage is what I support. Nothing else.

[strateguy632]

like "a man leads the family like christ leads"? i asked christian girls about that...

[Hispanic-Cool-Guy]

@strateguy632: The Bible is specific about the roles.

Christian Husband primary role:

#1: Love his wife as Christ loved the church and sacrifice himself for it.

#2: Cherish and nurture his wife.

#3: Honor his wife.

#4: Don't be bitter towards his wife.

#5: Provide whatever needs to be provided for.

Christian Wife primary role:

#1: Submit and obey husband in all things.

#2: Love and respect her husband.

#3: Raise the kids in the admonition of God's word.

#4: Manage the household.

[ProbablyClueless]

There seems to be done value to them in a lot of contexts, but not so much in the Western world

[HippieVeganJewslim]

Yes, they are very outdated. People should do what their heart tells them to do, not what others tell them to do.

[AlbantheGreat]

Hum... Some say "think outside of the box". Gender roles don't work actually in too many cases, so they need to be changed.

[Anonymous]

Yes I agree with you
Irrespective of gender, people can choose the path they want to be on
Women can be as good as men in most careers that do not involve much physical effort.

[Anonymous]

I think they're in Flux not outdated. As evidenced by the constant war between the genders. I think it's going to get whole lot worse before it gets better.

[gorydetails]

Nope. They're perfectly matched to the two genders and have proved beneficial for humans for tens of thousands of years.

[Mallic00]

Yes. Honestly i have no respect for women who spout on about fair and equal treatment and then pull out the "I'm a woman" card when things get too rough for them.

[red-lipstick-girl]

I see this as objectionable to society, it's a bit immoral

[Anonymous]

Not really. We are a result of our genes which have been selected for centuries.

[BCRanger10]

What makes them outdated, and how and why?

[strateguy632]

good question, they were old, already centuries ago but nobody questioned until women lib.

[Nevvv]

No, i dont think

[_piotr]

Only to some extent.

[WhitneySnow]

Yes.

[In_Trance]

not yet they're not

[Anonymous]

no..